Custom Tactics Discussion

[poster]

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No prob. I think I'm gonna take ur beloved Milan over and lead them back to greatness.

Nice! Kind of sad that they have fallen into a rebuild project team, but hopefully they can build some momentum in the coming weeks. I like what Miha is doing, although they still need more talent and service from the middle.

Regarding tactics overall, it seems a bit hit or miss. Raising Barca's speed and aggression made them play more true to life in some cases, but the way they attack still seems odd. I'm not a tactical expert though, so its hard to articulate or know how correct I am.

Just seems that Messi & Neymar are just "wide wingers" instead of dynamic dangermen. Their instruction is set to cut inside, and while they do it at times, they mostly seem to run up and down the flanks and cross into the box. Not saying they should never do that, but they do it too often instead of running at defenders and putting pressure on them.

JHegdes, hard to say if you should wait. I'm not really sure the best method for setting tactics. I've been adding them to team sheets and saving, but I always forget to disable the updates, so when I play a test match, it defaults. I can switch sides once a match starts and they stick, but not sure if that can be done once inside a MM. I play on the PC and think there is a "switch sides" mod, but can't remember, but would be an issue for those on consoles.

I've read enough that the CPU side will switch things up as the match progresses anyways so who knows. I always wonder if tactics are set the way they are by the developers for a reason. I wish they would acknowledge tactics more and make them work correctly and have an impact.

[KG]

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Nice! Kind of sad that they have fallen into a rebuild project team, but hopefully they can build some momentum in the coming weeks. I like what Miha is doing, although they still need more talent and service from the middle.

Regarding tactics overall, it seems a bit hit or miss. Raising Barca's speed and aggression made them play more true to life in some cases, but the way they attack still seems odd. I'm not a tactical expert though, so its hard to articulate or know how correct I am.

Just seems that Messi & Neymar are just "wide wingers" instead of dynamic dangermen. Their instruction is set to cut inside, and while they do it at times, they mostly seem to run up and down the flanks and cross into the box. Not saying they should never do that, but they do it too often instead of running at defenders and putting pressure on them.

JHegdes, hard to say if you should wait. I'm not really sure the best method for setting tactics. I've been adding them to team sheets and saving, but I always forget to disable the updates, so when I play a test match, it defaults. I can switch sides once a match starts and they stick, but not sure if that can be done once inside a MM. I play on the PC and think there is a "switch sides" mod, but can't remember, but would be an issue for those on consoles.

I've read enough that the CPU side will switch things up as the match progresses anyways so who knows. I always wonder if tactics are set the way they are by the developers for a reason. I wish they would acknowledge tactics more and make them work correctly and have an impact.

I'm thinking that we'll have to adjust the formation or the players position to get players like Messi and Neymar closer to the box. Shouldn't be to hard and Barca still will have plenty of width considering the full backs always push fwd and overlap. This is an old PES trick.

[JimmyTheMeatball]

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You guys rule it. Thanks for taking on the seemingly impossible over here. I spend most of my time on the community sliders thread but I keep coming back over here. In my humble opinion, community sliders and this thread are among the most impactful 'mod' threads around.

[pacho1509]

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You guys rule it. Thanks for taking on the seemingly impossible over here. I spend most of my time on the community sliders thread but I keep coming back over here. In my humble opinion, community sliders and this thread are among the most impactful 'mod' threads around.

I agree. In fact, I'm more interested on this thread because from the videos I have seen from the guys in the sliders thread the gameplay looks great but all the teams play tiky-taka... I hope you guys can find away to make the CPU play in different ways depending on the custom tactics.

Keep up the good work!

[JimmyTheMeatball]

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I agree. In fact, I'm more interested on this thread because from the videos I have seen from the guys in the sliders thread the gameplay looks great but all the teams play tiky-taka... I hope you guys can find away to make the CPU play in different ways depending on the custom tactics.

Keep up the good work!

Be paitent....they are making massive improvements over there in only a few sessions. One day I hope these two so called 'rabbit holes' will meet....then booom...Heaven!

[Krebstar]

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In terms of having teams like Barca play Neymar and Messi in their proper positions, it's all about editing the formation.

They're set to be LW and RW to start. What I did in the demo was bring them in as LAM and RAM, and set the fullbacks to wingbacks, and shift them up the field in the formation.

Going to try and crack the long ball today. Fingers crossed.

[SpritePuck]

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In terms of having teams like Barca play Neymar and Messi in their proper positions, it's all about editing the formation.

They're set to be LW and RW to start. What I did in the demo was bring them in as LAM and RAM, and set the fullbacks to wingbacks, and shift them up the field in the formation.

Going to try and crack the long ball today. Fingers crossed.

You can also make them RF and LF, which could be argued what they actually are. They will still go wide and play the wings but will if told stay forward. Also in the game forwards will at times play wider than attacking mids. The other thing for me is that making them forwards gives you a 4-3-3 vs as attacking mids you get a 4-5-1. This does not matter much to many but to me it seems more realistic in pregame when the commentators say formation things.

Keeping them forward can be even more increased by doing as you said and making the fullbacks into wingbacks. Though if you make them forwards instead of wings or attacking mids they will stay further forward regardless of the back four.

In regards to real football.... In my humble opinion the whole world can list Neymar and Messi as wings but they infact are forwards. CR7 is more a wide forward than a winger also. For some odd reason the football world, outside Germany, has decided calling a player a forward is disgraceful and that true football tacticians play wings and strikers. While I agree most teams do run a ST and not a CF. Many RW and LW play in fact as forwards. There are some wingers, do not get me wrong, but Messi for example has never actually been a wing. Labels are funny in sports and how they seem to implimemt something other than positioning. Again all just my opinion. Bring back the wide forward!! Andmostly stop calling wide forwards wings unless they are actually wingers.. Regardless what they call the likes of CR7 and Messi, where they play on the pitch is where they play.

[PAPERNUT]

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Going to try and crack the long ball today. Fingers crossed.

Same here after I finish 11 hrs of work today. I'm thinking it is the one of two things, the pass error slider causing issues or the pass distance tactic slider is simple broke in terms of long ball consistency.

[Santi]

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you could get teams to play vastly different styles on the demo with default sliders, I don't think sliders have much to do with it. the game is coded differently for the release and the custom tactics don't work..

[Krebstar]

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Yeah, I don't want to be at the point of giving up, but I've tried everything I can think of.

Hell, I was even trying to get these to work for FIFA 15 as little as a 2-3 months ago. This really sucks, as the slow build-up play is finally here. The AI will be patient, back pass, and respond to all other sliders except long passes forward.

That's really all that's missing is the long passes/diagonals to the forwards. Side to side to switch play? Those happen. Up front from defense or midfield? Barely, if at all.

Here's what I've tried: formation changes from 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, and 4-2-3-1. I've edit nearly every position instruction to varying things, I've moved players all around the field which includes pushing LM and RM all the way back and pushing forwards all the way up. I've changed LS and RS to LF and RF, and moved them all about.

I've also tried every combination of custom tactic values, as well as messing with sliders which includes lowering pass error to 0, raising runs to 100, and even raising the human defensive line so it would be easier to hit long balls over it.

Nothing is working.

[winston]

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Yeah, I've tried a lot of things too, including editing player stats, pushing all the players' long passing stas up to 100, and the front players jumping and heading stats up to 100, but it didn't affect how the cpu played (although it was noticeable that when I controlled the team with the boosted player stats, I could feel the difference, so at least player stats do mean something).

I do see cpu teams play long balls from time to time, particularly long diagonals down the flanks, but it doesn't seem to be influenced by the custom tactics. Instead, I think it's just built into the generic cpu style of play, perhaps influenced by formations, but I think it plays these long ball simply when a cpu player happens to be in a good position where a long ball to them is appropriate, rather than it being a concerted cpu tactic throughout the match.

It is getting frustrating because whilst some matches are still pretty enjoyable and varied, I'm finding that I'm increasingly getting matches that remind me too much of the cpu's ubiquitous tedious playing style of FIFA15 and FIFA15 was my least favourite FIFA game since about 2006.

[PAPERNUT]

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I agree. I spent my lunch break testing more today along with the past two evenings and I am done. At least we have some options with the rest of the tactics as they work well along with the sheet adjustments. Luckily not many MLS teams use long ball as much, so I am going to finish up work on my MLS tactics and start playing this game for fun rather than testing.

[KG]

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The good thing is that it's just long balls that don't seem to be working. I'm thinking it's more of back-end situational programming that overrides tactics.

[Santi]

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yeah im just gonna stick to the expanded demo lol having teams play a variety of styles is way more interesting to me

[RoyceDa59]

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The good thing is that it's just long balls that don't seem to be working. I'm thinking it's more of back-end situational programming that overrides tactics.

You only start seeing long balls frequently from certain teams when they are down. Its disappointing that it is hard to replicate but I am glad to at least see instructions working to an extent.