YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

[jamesbeaver]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

If anyone follows my Manager Mode, look away, but here is the "raw" gameplay of my recorded footage last night for one of my episodes. I thought I'd contribute a bit to show how I play my matches.

That was highly entertaining!

[SpHSpH]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

Nice video, and your own comments really add another level. If you're commenting on the fly, I am amazed by how calm you are during the match.

Editing is fun but time-consuming.

Yeah - my commentary is in real-time - I am just using the headset microphone thing that came with my Xbox in the box. I have to maintain the level composure ... my wife already gives me grief about "it's just a game" so I have to keep my FIFA emotions in check ...

The commentary is a mix of traditional play-by-play and my own personal observations / gripes / recommendations about the button-mashing part of playing the game.

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From your other comment ... yeah, the second Palace goal was a nice effort, I am pretty sure that I actually got a slight deflection on the original cross, and then a Palace player played a headed pass onto Wickham, and then Wickham hit the first-time volley to score the goal. I had no idea what just happened when it was occurring in real-time. I hate conceding goals - but I will admit that was a nice sequence from the CPU.

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PS: I *love* how this thread has taken off in the past few days - thanks to everyone who has been making contributions - it has been helpful to me (and, I hope, to others). Especially with regard to the "Full Manual" part of things ... that makes the game play so much different (and, yes, I know that I "signed up for that" when I chose to play Full Manual).

Keep 'em coming!

[SpHSpH]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

Here is my match from the afternoon (EVE:SWA) ...

SPOILER ALERT ... I do not score any goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9IZAJZ2HY

I have a lot more commentary about my game play in this one.

I am a bit sloppy in the early going - but I tighten things up in the second half.

[SpHSpH]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

And here is my final contribution for today - SWA:AVL in the FA Cup / Round of 16.

If you watch this video you will have seen more of this match than the referee who was in the stadium ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq5aRNde7Ww

Some things that I am noticing:

I am doing well to get shots on target ... but I am mostly adept at hitting the goalkeeper in the stomach with a variety of shots from a variety of angles. I am playing with Full-Manual controls and I have shot error at 55 ... my "accuracy" at hitting the center of the GK with such frequency is alarming.

There seems to be an imbalance with how easy it is for the CPU defenders to tackle the ball from me when I am in possession relative to how difficult it is for me to tackle the ball off the CPU when I am in defense. There are lots of examples of when I am muscling the CPU player with the ball and get nothing for it ... whereas it feels like the CPU need only to get within shouting distance of my player when I have the ball to create a turnover. Maybe this is related to how I move when I have the ball? Only LS vs. [LS + LT] vs. [LS + LT + RT] vs. [LS+LB] ... so many different dribble combinations / options.

I have now played five matches since I began recording and posting to this thread ... I scored two goals (both from open play) with my Bundesliga team in two matches ... and have scored once (from a penalty) with my EPL team in three matches ... that is anemic. I have only conceded five goals over that five game period ... not terrible ... but with my offensive struggles, as soon as I let one goal in, the match is virtually over.

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The highlight editing is not awesome (though I expect it is something that I will get better at with practice). I am not trying to do anything fancy ... I mostly have one long mp4 from which I am attempting to "snip" out a number of segments ... so that the remaining clips can play sequentially for a ten minute (or so) run time. I have been trying with iMovie (Mac laptop) and Movie Maker (PC in my office) with mild (and slow) success.

[jamesbeaver]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

I am doing well to get shots on target ... but I am mostly adept at hitting the goalkeeper in the stomach with a variety of shots from a variety of angles. I am playing with Full-Manual controls and I have shot error at 55 ... my "accuracy" at hitting the center of the GK with such frequency is alarming.

That happens to me when I run towards the goal and shoot without any adjustment to shot direction. Happens quite often.

I have now played five matches since I began recording and posting to this thread ... I scored two goals (both from open play) with my Bundesliga team in two matches ... and have scored once (from a penalty) with my EPL team in three matches ... that is anemic. I have only conceded five goals over that five game period ... not terrible ... but with my offensive struggles, as soon as I let one goal in, the match is virtually over.

From the top of my head I remember one match where I scored more than two goals. So scoring is difficult for me too. It seems to be much easier for Papinho, who just splits the defense in half with short passes and takes shots at close range. I just want realistic action, including crosses, long distance shots, pass and move, target man and layoff passes etc. The works. The outcome is uncertain, as in real football.

If I am one goal down, increasing my attacking level and using quick tactics "high pressure" usually produces many more chances. Mostly for me, because the CPU tends to go defensive, but sometimes they strike back with vengeance. Some of the most memorable matches are those where the CPU went defensive, I took an attacking attitude, and this resulted in a lot of action.

Edit. My faltering faith in this game was tested again today. I played a first round cup match away against a team way worse than mine. First their keeper saved everything, including close-up shots. Then they got the momentum going and were unstoppable. I have GK 10, but both keepers saved everything until 118', at which point their defense made a gross error, my attacker broke through and scored with a shot to upper corner.

Shots on target 11-9 in their favor. Level of realism in this match was pretty low.

[SpHSpH]

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And here is my first win since I began recording and posting my matches ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFT6PRtFSjo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-VMGtaubFw

I have this as an (A) and a (B) because there was a long pause while I was playing - so I split the master file into two smaller files - so no one has to watch the long pause.

Observations:

Another thing that I am having trouble with is how the game "decides" which of your teammates is the intended recipient of a pass. Maybe this has something to do with my button-mashing because I am playing full-manual?

Imagine this example ... I am in possession and the ball is with my LM on the bottom of the screen (I am attacking right to left) ... my LM makes a ground pass "North" toward the center of the pitch ... my ST retreats from an advanced position to collect the pass - rather than my CM coming forward to collect the pass ... it was my intention for the CM to be the pass recipient so that the ST would still be ahead of the play, and would be an attacking option ... but, instead, now my ST has the ball, with his back to the goal, and my CM is in virtually the same location ... I do not have the appropriate forward pass available to continue the move.

[SpHSpH]

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And here are my last two for tonight ...

WBA:SWA ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTdVXOTENQ

TOT:SWA ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GsR4sTbyxY

I am doing really well (I think) to get more shots on target. Still not turning into goals.

And the injuries! And first touch errors! And the officiating!

I feel like I am grinding along (like a poker player who is just good enough to stay at the tables ...).

[papinho81]

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It seems to be much easier for Papinho, who just splits the defense in half with short passes and takes shots at close range. I just want realistic action, including crosses, long distance shots, pass and move, target man and layoff passes etc. The works. The outcome is uncertain, as in real football.

That was not really nice...
I am scoring goals in a variety of position including crosses and long shots and it is not so often that I manage to score more than two goals in a game. Of course if your rely on the only two videos I have posted (damned connection) you can make short cut conclusions.

Also may be have a look at stats IRL, I am pretty confident with saying that the majority of goals are scored from inside the penalty area. I will add to that that many goals IRL are due to mistake instead of smart peace of play (well often a combination of both) as Platini used to say without mistake there will be no goals in football. Am I over reacting now? Well...
Now in terms of gameplay, it is true that I tend to have an aggressive approach. But to score goals you need to take risks with the pass and move (as you mentioned above) not necessarily when the defence is wide open, this is the only way to move a defence block and forces defence to move out of position (a bit like in a handball game). Of course this comes with the risk of loosing the possession and fighting to get the ball back from the CPU, but if you are just keeping the ball and passing around to players totally free of marking (CB and FB) and waiting for the perfect opening well you might wait VERY long before that happen.

If I have suggestions to score more goals for others people (note: I do not consider myself as the best or even a good example) I would say be aggressive, takes risks and the most important varies the way your attack. Do not hesitate from time to time to send long balls just to test the defence. Be confident in your passing accuracy and try to anticipate what will be your next move. Football is a chest game in movement and I think this fifa 16 is not to bad at recreating it.

Edit: here is a link toward the Euro cup final I wan yesterday a tough game against England, 2-1 after extra time.

http://www.twitch.tv/papinho811/v/51317380

[papinho81]

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Imagine this example ... I am in possession and the ball is with my LM on the bottom of the screen (I am attacking right to left) ... my LM makes a ground pass "North" toward the center of the pitch ... my ST retreats from an advanced position to collect the pass - rather than my CM coming forward to collect the pass ... it was my intention for the CM to be the pass recipient so that the ST would still be ahead of the play, and would be an attacking option ... but, instead, now my ST has the ball, with his back to the goal, and my CM is in virtually the same location ... I do not have the appropriate forward pass available to continue the move.

Then use your ST as a pivot and do a short back pass to your CM, if you use L2 (or equivalent) your ST will probably run into space and ask to get the ball back. You might not be able to send him back the ball but his run will certainly force the defence to follow him which can create space for your CM to progress with the ball.

[jamesbeaver]

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That was not really nice...
I am scoring goals in a variety of position including crosses and long shots and it is not so often that I manage to score more than two goals in a game. Of course if your rely on the only two videos I have posted (damned connection) you can make short cut conclusions.

My bad: the way I wrote my text above made it look like I contrasted your style of play with what is realistic. That was not my point at all. I am a big fan of how effortless your attacking is. And indeed many teams in real life score like that, first examples that come to mind are Arsenal and Spurs.

So let me reformulate that paragraph. This is what I really meant:

It seems to be much easier for Papinho, who just splits the defense in half with short passes and takes shots at close range. I can't do that, but I just want some kind of realistic action, including crosses, long distance shots, pass and move, target man and layoff passes etc. The works. The outcome is uncertain, as in real football.

Better?

[papinho81]

Re: YouTube Tutorials ... but Full-Manual and against CPU?

Better?

Fine!!!

[jamesbeaver]

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I noticed that some gamers have returned to Fifa 14 because they consider it better than 16. Just played three career mode matches in 14 using Orion's full manual legendary sliders, and I'll be damned if 14 isn't miles better and more balanced that 16. Superior. From the days when offline still mattered, I guess.

As one unexpected detail: try it and see how the CPU presses in your third!

Another detail: in Fifa 16 we seriously think about having FT 100, while in Orion's sliders for legendary 14 FT is 50.

I am sold. Will start a new career in 14 ASAP. I could post some highlights later, but I doubt you guys are interested.

[Matt10]

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I noticed that some gamers have returned to Fifa 14 because they consider it better than 16. Just played three career mode matches in 14 using Orion's full manual legendary sliders, and I'll be damned if 14 isn't miles better and more balanced that 16. Superior. From the days when offline still mattered, I guess.

As one unexpected detail: try it and see how the CPU presses in your third!

Another detail: in Fifa 16 we seriously think about having FT 100, while in Orion's sliders for legendary 14 FT is 50.

I am sold. Will start a new career in 14 ASAP. I could post some highlights later, but I doubt you guys are interested.

Yeah, 14 was a turning point for the series. At the time I was using it for the PC, so it was not as upgraded in comparison to the PS4/X1. However, it was miles better (and slower) than 13.

I still have nostalgia about FIFA 14, I still have it on my Origin installed and everything. It was a blast. I really enjoyed watching and reading everyone's experiences in "nexgen" 14, so please post, I personally do not mind. I am just really happy with 16 right now.

[SpHSpH]

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Just dropping in to say ...

(1) jamesbeaver - will miss you on FIFA16 - I appreciate your contributions to this thread

(2) Editing my game videos into highlight packages is VERY time consuming. Wow.

[SpHSpH]

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OK ... first I have a talking point clip ... about how the game "selects" the "wrong" player ... just watch this short highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL0kneezCcI

That pass across the face of goal was absolutely intended for my ST Paloschi who is sprinting forward into the box with an eye for a one-touch shot. Instead, my CDM Willems (who is in an offside position ahead of the play) is the player that the game "thinks" I want to be the recipient, and he is in no position to do anything useful with the otherwise excellent pass from my other ST Wilson. What is the deal with this?!?

And ... second I have another career mode video from my Swansea career:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adj1AXkRjuM

... still grinding along.