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  • Resurrection403
    Rookie
    • Sep 2014
    • 450

    #1

    Fed up with FIFA devs

    I like to think of myself as a very dedicated single player user of this game, and used to be for Madden and NCAA football. FIFA has frankly abused us as customers for a long time now, and I won't further indulge it. Let me explain.

    The single player experience in FIFA, specifically career manager mode, is past due date. It's long since expired and is stale beyond belief. Ignoring the myriad of problems such as transfer scouting, recruiting, buying and selling players, loaning, etc etc... these key issues continue and make me unwilling to spend more money on fifa:

    Teams play alike This is the biggest, most serious sin of the game series to date. Who cares about the rest? When you're on the pitch playing Barca or Bayer or America, all the teams play the same. Tika taka passing and the EXACT same playstyle. Full stop, the rest of my rant can end here. If you're in year 4 of your manager mode, this becomes tedious and boring beyond belief. There's no teams that play long ball, or play a counter, or play a hard attack with risky passing. Nope. It's all careful and perfect passing until they blow a cross (dont even get me started on AI crossing) or until they miss a pass by 5 yards. Or if they shoot and you save it. That's it. That's the extent of the AI. And I would be willing to wager my home on that staying the same this year.

    Transfer logic is broken and bad Even on the computer, with a mod to increase transfers, simming ahead 5 years will show that all teams are basically 90% the same. Boring. Stupid. Lazy. Pick your word, EA is guilty of it. No thanks.

    Superficial Like the gals and guys on the Jersey shore, this series manager mode is vapid and uninteresting. Stat tracking is a joke. There's no depth, no trophy room, no reason to do anything. You cant turn off firing and the board is insane. There's no career stats or stats for leagues outside of yours. At all. You cant easily see whats going on in your league or outside your league... basically it's like the rest of the world ceases to exist. Its you and your team and who you play next. Boring. lazy. Again, pick your word ... Ea is guilty.

    Now look at Madden. Do I prefer video game American football to Soccer? No. I think that video soccer is better, but good lord, is Madden ever impressive in these areas. The franchise mode is deep, always worked on, and being focused on of all things this year.

    What? Yes, you read that right. They're literally focusing on franchise mode. It was already much better in all sorts of ways to FIFA's, and yet they're still working on refreshing it. Having played the trial I'm shocked at how engaging the mode is, how much they tweak and improve the game year to year, and listen to the community. Night and day to what we get.

    FIFA sells 150 million to Maddens 120 million copies. Money isn't an issue. I for one won't be a part of that 150 million this year, or, next, until they begin respecting their customers again and put some work into the mode that so many of us love.

    Shame on you EA.
  • JWDixon120
    Rookie
    • Jul 2012
    • 802

    #2
    Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

    Originally posted by Resurrection403
    I like to think of myself as a very dedicated single player user of this game, and used to be for Madden and NCAA football. FIFA has frankly abused us as customers for a long time now, and I won't further indulge it. Let me explain.

    The single player experience in FIFA, specifically career manager mode, is past due date. It's long since expired and is stale beyond belief. Ignoring the myriad of problems such as transfer scouting, recruiting, buying and selling players, loaning, etc etc... these key issues continue and make me unwilling to spend more money on fifa:

    Teams play alike This is the biggest, most serious sin of the game series to date. Who cares about the rest? When you're on the pitch playing Barca or Bayer or America, all the teams play the same. Tika taka passing and the EXACT same playstyle. Full stop, the rest of my rant can end here. If you're in year 4 of your manager mode, this becomes tedious and boring beyond belief. There's no teams that play long ball, or play a counter, or play a hard attack with risky passing. Nope. It's all careful and perfect passing until they blow a cross (dont even get me started on AI crossing) or until they miss a pass by 5 yards. Or if they shoot and you save it. That's it. That's the extent of the AI. And I would be willing to wager my home on that staying the same this year.

    Transfer logic is broken and bad Even on the computer, with a mod to increase transfers, simming ahead 5 years will show that all teams are basically 90% the same. Boring. Stupid. Lazy. Pick your word, EA is guilty of it. No thanks.

    Superficial Like the gals and guys on the Jersey shore, this series manager mode is vapid and uninteresting. Stat tracking is a joke. There's no depth, no trophy room, no reason to do anything. You cant turn off firing and the board is insane. There's no career stats or stats for leagues outside of yours. At all. You cant easily see whats going on in your league or outside your league... basically it's like the rest of the world ceases to exist. Its you and your team and who you play next. Boring. lazy. Again, pick your word ... Ea is guilty.

    Now look at Madden. Do I prefer video game American football to Soccer? No. I think that video soccer is better, but good lord, is Madden ever impressive in these areas. The franchise mode is deep, always worked on, and being focused on of all things this year.

    What? Yes, you read that right. They're literally focusing on franchise mode. It was already much better in all sorts of ways to FIFA's, and yet they're still working on refreshing it. Having played the trial I'm shocked at how engaging the mode is, how much they tweak and improve the game year to year, and listen to the community. Night and day to what we get.

    FIFA sells 150 million to Maddens 120 million copies. Money isn't an issue. I for one won't be a part of that 150 million this year, or, next, until they begin respecting their customers again and put some work into the mode that so many of us love.

    Shame on you EA.


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    • jwilphl
      Legal Advisor
      • Jun 2009
      • 1499

      #3
      Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

      I would actually disagree that Madden's career mode is much better and specifically, deeper. It really isn't. Now I'm referring to last year's game - Madden '16. I couldn't even finish a full season with how dull it was. I can't imagine it being considerably better this year. Slightly improved, probably.

      Unfortunately single-player modes don't generate the revenue that these games now seemingly rely on. Until they find a way to monetize the single-player career modes in their games, EA will continue to de-prioritize these modes in terms of developmental focus.

      NBA 2K is the lone exception to this, but I do believe that's because (1) it was 2K's bread and butter before anything else, and (2) 2K has found a way to monetize the game with VC, even though many would argue it is to that game's detriment. I think the money issue has gone overboard lately, but if it meant that single-player career modes got more attention, then I guess that's the trade-off we have to live with.

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      • Resurrection403
        Rookie
        • Sep 2014
        • 450

        #4
        Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

        Originally posted by jwilphl
        I would actually disagree that Madden's career mode is much better and specifically, deeper. It really isn't. Now I'm referring to last year's game - Madden '16. I couldn't even finish a full season with how dull it was. I can't imagine it being considerably better this year. Slightly improved, probably.
        I don`t know how you can make this kind of post and not be joking. I don`t want to go down a laundry list of what Madden has FIFA doesn`t but, just specifically lets address a few things:
        1) Youth recruiting in FIFA is basically non existent and automated. in Madden its deeper, its interesting, and rewarding.
        2) Signings make sense in Madden and other teams change players and tune their teams according to need MUCh better than FIFA
        3) Contract negotiations are much more interesting and fluid than FIFA
        4) Want to know how PSG is doing when you`re in the German league? Pretend. Want to know how the Patriots were doing for rushing yards 2 years ago in your 5th CFM? Sure. Go check.
        5) Madden has little things like Atalanta (and last year Minnesota) move into their new stadiums year 2.

        I mean, this claim is so ridiculous. It really is... it honestly makes me question how much you actually played Madden last year. The franchise mode is so deep it actually can be a turn off if your casual and have to put a lot of stuff on auto pilot.

        Originally posted by jwilphl
        Unfortunately single-player modes don't generate the revenue that these games now seemingly rely on. Until they find a way to monetize the single-player career modes in their games, EA will continue to de-prioritize these modes in terms of developmental focus.

        NBA 2K is the lone exception to this, but I do believe that's because (1) it was 2K's bread and butter before anything else, and (2) 2K has found a way to monetize the game with VC, even though many would argue it is to that game's detriment. I think the money issue has gone overboard lately, but if it meant that single-player career modes got more attention, then I guess that's the trade-off we have to live with.

        This premise is faulty because Madden The Show, and NBA (that`s literally 3 of the major sports in America) all have MUCh better, deeper, and better supported franchise modes. This whole paragraph is basically wrong. 100% wrong.

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        • KingTocco
          Fino Alla Fine
          • Jul 2012
          • 3158

          #5
          Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

          JWil is right, CFM in Madden is nothing special.

          2K has the best Franchise (Association) mode by far, FIFA is alright, not the best but I can see why there would be frustration.

          I'm excited for the new game and all the new stuff regardless of what anyone says.
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          • JayD
            All Star
            • Mar 2004
            • 5457

            #6
            Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

            When i see teams transfering 0 to 1 players every 2 years it frustrates me more than anything. Why add a new budget system if teams dont even utilize it.

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            • 10
              Trequartista
              • Jun 2013
              • 247

              #7
              Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

              Originally posted by Resurrection403
              I don`t know how you can make this kind of post and not be joking. I don`t want to go down a laundry list of what Madden has FIFA doesn`t but, just specifically lets address a few things:

              1) Youth recruiting in FIFA is basically non existent and automated. in Madden its deeper, its interesting, and rewarding.

              2) Signings make sense in Madden and other teams change players and tune their teams according to need MUCh better than FIFA

              3) Contract negotiations are much more interesting and fluid than FIFA

              4) Want to know how PSG is doing when you`re in the German league? Pretend. Want to know how the Patriots were doing for rushing yards 2 years ago in your 5th CFM? Sure. Go check.

              5) Madden has little things like Atalanta (and last year Minnesota) move into their new stadiums year 2.



              I mean, this claim is so ridiculous. It really is... it honestly makes me question how much you actually played Madden last year. The franchise mode is so deep it actually can be a turn off if your casual and have to put a lot of stuff on auto pilot.









              This premise is faulty because Madden The Show, and NBA (that`s literally 3 of the major sports in America) all have MUCh better, deeper, and better supported franchise modes. This whole paragraph is basically wrong. 100% wrong.


              Madden's CFM isn't drastically better than FIFA's career mode. It has a handful of features like stat tracking that fifa should absolutely have. I've seen equally stupid signings in both games.

              Thank you for giving us a 'this game sucks I'm not buying it this year' thread complete with the abused customers bit and telling someone else how much they're wrong and how you're right, even though they gave a thoughtful response to a post that probably didn't warrant it.
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              • redsox4evur
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2013
                • 18169

                #8
                Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                Originally posted by 10
                Madden's CFM isn't drastically better than FIFA's career mode. It has a handful of features like stat tracking that fifa should absolutely have. I've seen equally stupid signings in both games.

                Thank you for giving us a 'this game sucks I'm not buying it this year' thread complete with the abused customers bit and telling someone else how much they're wrong and how you're right, even though they gave a thoughtful response to a post that probably didn't warrant it.
                And then the day the game releases complain about how you hate the game and it was a waste of $60.
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                • JHedges2
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 4652

                  #9
                  Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                  Originally posted by JayD
                  When i see teams transfering 0 to 1 players every 2 years it frustrates me more than anything. Why add a new budget system if teams dont even utilize it.
                  Don't be so hard on it. I mean, you see how active Arsenal have been in the last 2 years? I think FIFA nailed it.

                  Sigh.
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                  • orion523
                    All Star
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6709

                    #10
                    Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                    Please cool your jets guys, one of those posts in particular is bordering on a "personal attack" and I'd hate to see anyone get banned. As for the OP, here's my thoughts: As a longtime fan of both games, I must admit I have been let down by the FIFA Dev Team's seeming ambivalence towards Career Mode. Sure they'll add in a token thing or two each year, but it never feels well thought out and carefully planned, the integration is usually clumsy, and always seems to have that "tacked on at the end" feeling. On top of that, features introduced previously are rarely refined or improved upon, so yes I completely understand the frustration of CM fans.
                    On the other hand, since the dawning of new gen, Madden CFM has gotten better by leaps and bounds seemingly each year, and although it's certainly not perfect, there is obvious enthusiasm for the mode by the devs.
                    IMO, this enthusiasm stems from the Madden devs willingness to "mix it up" if you will with our community. There a constant presence here at OS, always asking questions, always looking to get better. This also holds true for lots of other games as well, MLB The Show, NBA 2K, NHL Series(maybe others?).
                    Unfortunately however we have nothing, nada, zilch. Our slider thread has over one million views, one stinking million, yet we've never gotten the time of day from anyone on the FIFA team, nor even a Game Changer. Going back to at least 2011, I have never, ever, seen anyone from the FIFA team visit these boards, for anything, and therein lies the disconnect.
                    If we as a community are to ever get anything done, we need to somehow get the ear of the dev team. We need to let them know, that like "Whoville" We Are Here!

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                    • JHedges2
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 4652

                      #11
                      Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                      Originally posted by orion523
                      If we as a community are to ever get anything done, we need to somehow get the ear of the dev team. We need to let them know, that like "Whoville" We Are Here!
                      You'd think that a slider thread with nearly 6500 replies and 1.2M views would turn some heads...?

                      I know that's not 'Manager Mode specific', but the gameplay is constantly rough when we have numerous members here spending countless hours trying to achieve better gameplay.

                      It's unfortunate that there isn't a dev presence here (that we know of, at least...).
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                      • PPerfect_CJ
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 3693

                        #12
                        Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                        Originally posted by orion523
                        Please cool your jets guys, one of those posts in particular is bordering on a "personal attack" and I'd hate to see anyone get banned. As for the OP, here's my thoughts: As a longtime fan of both games, I must admit I have been let down by the FIFA Dev Team's seeming ambivalence towards Career Mode. Sure they'll add in a token thing or two each year, but it never feels well thought out and carefully planned, the integration is usually clumsy, and always seems to have that "tacked on at the end" feeling. On top of that, features introduced previously are rarely refined or improved upon, so yes I completely understand the frustration of CM fans.
                        On the other hand, since the dawning of new gen, Madden CFM has gotten better by leaps and bounds seemingly each year, and although it's certainly not perfect, there is obvious enthusiasm for the mode by the devs.
                        IMO, this enthusiasm stems from the Madden devs willingness to "mix it up" if you will with our community. There a constant presence here at OS, always asking questions, always looking to get better. This also holds true for lots of other games as well, MLB The Show, NBA 2K, NHL Series(maybe others?).
                        Unfortunately however we have nothing, nada, zilch. Our slider thread has over one million views, one stinking million, yet we've never gotten the time of day from anyone on the FIFA team, nor even a Game Changer. Going back to at least 2011, I have never, ever, seen anyone from the FIFA team visit these boards, for anything, and therein lies the disconnect.
                        If we as a community are to ever get anything done, we need to somehow get the ear of the dev team
                        . We need to let them know, that like "Whoville" We Are Here!
                        Nailed it. They don't come around and from everything I've seen, they only want to talk to you on twitter when you're talking about FUT. If they would come here and discuss things like the Madden, 2K, and The Show guys do, they would come across some GREAT ideas that would make the game a lot better. I have to question their desire at this point. They just seem satisfied.
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                        • KingTocco
                          Fino Alla Fine
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 3158

                          #13
                          Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                          I think it's mainly that this isn't that big of a market for them, OS doesn't really have a lot of FIFA players compared to Madden, 2K, The Show, etc.

                          FIFA is way more global and I would say a majority of the users of OS are from the States. If you look at the total post count and views for this Sub-Forum compared to Madden and 2K it's not even close. It's barely 1/10th of what they get.

                          Not saying it's ideal and I'd love to get some dev presence in here but I can rationally understand why they aren't here.
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                          • nunogomes
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 1107

                            #14
                            Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                            That is true, other games have way more posts than FIFA, but mainly they have more posts of non gameplay issues.

                            I mean, for a dev to fix jerseys, socks, sticks, and all those little visual details is far more easy than coming to a slider thread in FIFA and try to keep up with the constant changes and understand the results people expect. Also, it´s much easier to change visual things than gameplay things, and in all honesty, that´s what the dev´s that come to OS want: easy things that a lot of people ask, so they can say they listen to the community.

                            I can´t point a big fundamental gameplay change by any game (MAdden, NBA, etc...) people asked that whasn´t previously mentioned by a dev. What i mean is, something the dev´s never thought, weren´t going to do but did because we asked.

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                            • mcavner
                              Pro
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 708

                              #15
                              Re: Fed up with FIFA devs

                              I haven't bought Madden in several years - never with the latest gen consoles. I bought Madden and NCAA Football and NHL from the early 90's all the way through to the end of the PS3 era... NCAA stopped being produced and Madden and NHL both got stale and as an offline franchise mode guy what I wanted was being ignored (mostly, for me, the option to edit in career modes) so I stopped buying.

                              In their absence I played a little Show and 2K basketball and then got hooked on FIFA (which I had previously only played the World Cup versions regularly). FIFA has been my sports game for a few years now and I've played a ton of it. I've actually become a big-time soccer fan in general now and subscribe to channels specifically for soccer.

                              But I tried the 10 hr trial of Madden and am very impressed with the franchise mode and am waiting for tomorrow's release like it's Xmas eve. Put me down as one in the "Madden's career mode is drastically better than FIFA's camp." And after seeing and reading about what Madden is doing... I don't see me buying FIFA 17. I love the series but the offline mode has to add editing (and stats) for it to be worthwhile to me.
                              Last edited by mcavner; 08-22-2016, 10:36 AM.

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