Adaptive Difficulty

[bacchus]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Update: 95 hours..got my first high scoring games:

ARSENAL 2-1 FENERBAHCE
CELTIC FC 4-0 MOENCHENGLADBACH
CHELSEA 0-0 LECH POZNAN
CSKA MOSCOW 0-5 FC BAYERN MUNCHEN
FC BARCELONA 1-1 FC SCHALKE 04
RSC ANDERLECHT 0-2 OLYMPIQUE MARSEILLE
SL BENFICA 2-1 FC BASEL
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 3-0 REAL MADRID CF

Notice a 4-0 and a 0-5.

Gonira, probably true that 8 minute halves reduce to score for occassional 5-0 or 6-0 games as max chances in a game has been 18.

The last result (being a Spurs fan) would never happen before hell freezes over!

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Update: 95 hours..got my first high scoring games:

ARSENAL 2-1 FENERBAHCE
CELTIC FC 4-0 MOENCHENGLADBACH
CHELSEA 0-0 LECH POZNAN
CSKA MOSCOW 0-5 FC BAYERN MUNCHEN
FC BARCELONA 1-1 FC SCHALKE 04
RSC ANDERLECHT 0-2 OLYMPIQUE MARSEILLE
SL BENFICA 2-1 FC BASEL
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 3-0 REAL MADRID CF

Notice a 4-0 and a 0-5.

Gonira, probably true that 8 minute halves reduce to score for occassional 5-0 or 6-0 games as max chances in a game has been 18.

The last result (being a Spurs fan) would never happen before hell freezes over!

I've also had 4-0 win. What difficulty do you use?

And I personally don't want to play more than 5-6 min halves, it's too long otherwise to play through so many seasons.

[Gonira]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Good. Maybe when your ban is up on 7 days you'll understand how to talk to people you don't agree with.

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you were mean to me, mr moderator. consider yourself and ricardo out of my christmas gift list.

[AreYouSerious]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

you were mean to me, mr moderator. consider yourself and ricardo out of my christmas gift list.

I AM GONIRA.

seriously, MILLENIUM???

after all the contribution i done for this community? months of work for some of the most well received slider sets for fifa 12, 13 and 14; an ongoing project for setting a solid home field advantage in fifa; tons and tons of posts helping to clear noobies doubts and discussing slider adjustments with the community. and you out of your giant dictator head give me a permanent ban for THIS POST!?!? FOR THIS ****ING POST, SERIOUSLY?

you can ban this account too, i don't want any more business here anyway. i just had to come back here to tell you how ridiculously hugely HUGELY disproportional was this reaction of yours. but being the coward you are, you're probably going to delete this post and pretend it never happened. whatever, hope you sleep in peace, great job, you're a legend.

[Millennium]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

I AM GONIRA.

seriously, MILLENIUM???

after all the contribution i done for this community? months of work for some of the most well received slider sets for fifa 12, 13 and 14; an ongoing project for setting a solid home field advantage in fifa; tons and tons of posts helping to clear noobies doubts and discussing slider adjustments with the community. and you out of your giant dictator head give me a permanent ban for THIS POST!?!? FOR THIS ****ING POST, SERIOUSLY?

you can ban this account too, i don't want any more business here anyway. i just had to come back here to tell you how ridiculously hugely HUGELY disproportional was this reaction of yours. but being the coward you are, you're probably going to delete this post and pretend it never happened. whatever, hope you sleep in peace, great job, you're a legend.

Since I know you'll read this eventually - I wasn't even the one who banned the Gonira account for the latest message.

I did ban this account because it has gone far past the line of our TOS.

I would have considered lifting the ban on the Gonira account prior to this direct attack.

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Just beat SD Eibar 7-1 with Valencia CF. That's my personal record on world class difficulty, no sliders adjusted.

Oddly enough the next game against Real Betis ended a 0-0 draw.

[KTBFFH]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Just beat SD Eibar 7-1 with Valencia CF. That's my personal record on world class difficulty, no sliders adjusted.

Oddly enough the next game against Real Betis ended a 0-0 draw.

Did you modify any files? Community sliders? That's great news.

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Did you modify any files? Community sliders? That's great news.

None, that's just the regular settings when you start the career mode and select world class difficulty 6 min periods

[NexusVI Roy]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Weird, after changing adaptative difficulty to 0 game won't start...

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Getting kind of tired of the adaptive difficulty. At first I reached a point where I simply didn't care anymore, pretended that I decided the outcome of the game. But after starting the career mode a million times over and over again with Arsenal it's becoming a little ridiculous.

Every time the career either starts in a very easy way, lets me score lots of goals or in a very tough way, losing, drawing and not scoring many. It's rather hilarious than frustrating seeing the likes of Alexis missing empty nets from close range, players hitting posts all the time. Oh and the keeper saving the penalty every time. I tested this by restarting one match over and over, every time I got a penalty somewhere during the 40th minute, and every time the keeper guessed it correct.

What I hate the most though are the *** **** cup games. It doesn't matter which team you face, Cup games are scripted to be tough. Most likely you know you'll win it, but it'll be in over time or shootout.

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

I don't mind adaptive difficulty, but it's just implemented in such an unbalanced way. To the point where it's too obvious and too determinate towards results. I don't mind the AI getting buffs and nerfs in certain games and game to game form affecting quality, but I don't ever want it to feel like my entire team is just physically slower and sluggish relative to a similar opponent.

Similarly, I don't want to feel like the finest club in the world against a much superior opponent in Cup games. Last year I remember crushing Chelsea 4-1 in the FA Cup with Morecambe in my first season. I could have played with my eyes closed and blown them out.

I simply should not be able to play with a neutral or attacking formation/approach without getting absolutely ripped to pieces. Those are the games I want to feel helpless in—not against a League 2 side with a ton of injuries playing a bunch of guys rated in the low 50's overall.

[BlackCaesar]

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Using the cup analogy is seriously flawed. Lower league opposition in real life LIVE for cup matchups against top division opponents. Just yesterday Plymouth Argyle went to Liverpool and forced a replay in the FA Cup and by this thread's opinion that should NEVER happen. And there were a few attacks during the match when Plymouth looked like they might snatch a win. Sure, Liverpool played a very weakened side, but if we're going to talk terms of FIFA overalls, they still had the advantage by far.

I've played a lot of FIFA, always on legendary with someone's sliders, and never once have I gone into a match and felt like my team is being nerfed. I've had seasons where I've lost a single match in all competitions and would think "how many am I going to win by" not "oh, EA wants me to lose this one." Have I seen results that were an upset? Of course, but look at the real football scorelines on any given day and tell me you don't see any upsets? Deportivo Alaves beat Barcelona this season. They also got a draw with Atletico Madrid. Bournemouth beat Liverpool. RB Leipzig has been in the top 2 of the Bundesliga all year. Last year or the year before, MK Dons beat Manchester United in the cup.Nice is at the top of Ligue 1. Legia Warsaw got a draw against Real Madrid, in the return fixture from getting smashed 5-1. Arsenal had to come from behind to beat Ludogorets. I can go on, but that's enough evidence. Should these things not happen in FIFA? I believe this is a good thing and needed in the game. There shouldn't be times where you beat a team 100 times out of 100. There shouldn't be times when just because you're playing with team X, you're going to slaughter team Y.

Nothing in the code says that the result is determined before hand. It obviously reads that when a goal is scored or when a minute mark is reached with a certain scoreline something occurs. At some point, you have to start blaming yourself for your playing experience. I believe I'm knowledgeable enough about FIFA (note: I didn't say good), that I know how to take any side and beat or get a draw against almost any side on default, with realism sliders, on professional or legendary. There are things that are broken about this game that the AI cannot stop me from doing, scripting or not. Likewise, there are just some matches where you aren't going to win because you shouldn't. You're playing your fifth match in 11 days with the same side against title rivals? Hey, you should probably lose. You know what's not going to help that? Restarting the game 400 times and thinking "EA IS AT IT AGAIN!" everytime a goal goes in because your tired left back can't keep up with their fit and fresh pacey right winger.

That's my biggest problem with this debate. The fact that people make it seem like they are playing a game on rails. That they have no influence over the results once "EA takes over." It's simply not true. We're talking about a company that can barely code handballs properly so the option defaults off, but they can code the AI to beat you in every and any situation with every and any team. That's absurd to think.

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Using the cup analogy is seriously flawed. Lower league opposition in real life LIVE for cup matchups against top division opponents. Just yesterday Plymouth Argyle went to Liverpool and forced a replay in the FA Cup and by this thread's opinion that should NEVER happen. And there were a few attacks during the match when Plymouth looked like they might snatch a win. Sure, Liverpool played a very weakened side, but if we're going to talk terms of FIFA overalls, they still had the advantage by far.

I've played a lot of FIFA, always on legendary with someone's sliders, and never once have I gone into a match and felt like my team is being nerfed. I've had seasons where I've lost a single match in all competitions and would think "how many am I going to win by" not "oh, EA wants me to lose this one." Have I seen results that were an upset? Of course, but look at the real football scorelines on any given day and tell me you don't see any upsets? Deportivo Alaves beat Barcelona this season. They also got a draw with Atletico Madrid. Bournemouth beat Liverpool. RB Leipzig has been in the top 2 of the Bundesliga all year. Last year or the year before, MK Dons beat Manchester United in the cup.Nice is at the top of Ligue 1. Legia Warsaw got a draw against Real Madrid, in the return fixture from getting smashed 5-1. Arsenal had to come from behind to beat Ludogorets. I can go on, but that's enough evidence. Should these things not happen in FIFA? I believe this is a good thing and needed in the game. There shouldn't be times where you beat a team 100 times out of 100. There shouldn't be times when just because you're playing with team X, you're going to slaughter team Y.

Nothing in the code says that the result is determined before hand. It obviously reads that when a goal is scored or when a minute mark is reached with a certain scoreline something occurs. At some point, you have to start blaming yourself for your playing experience. I believe I'm knowledgeable enough about FIFA (note: I didn't say good), that I know how to take any side and beat or get a draw against almost any side on default, with realism sliders, on professional or legendary. There are things that are broken about this game that the AI cannot stop me from doing, scripting or not. Likewise, there are just some matches where you aren't going to win because you shouldn't. You're playing your fifth match in 11 days with the same side against title rivals? Hey, you should probably lose. You know what's not going to help that? Restarting the game 400 times and thinking "EA IS AT IT AGAIN!" everytime a goal goes in because your tired left back can't keep up with their fit and fresh pacey right winger.

That's my biggest problem with this debate. The fact that people make it seem like they are playing a game on rails. That they have no influence over the results once "EA takes over." It's simply not true. We're talking about a company that can barely code handballs properly so the option defaults off, but they can code the AI to beat you in every and any situation with every and any team. That's absurd to think.

It was already argued here that you cannot talk about slider gaming because this stuff does not happen if you edit them, nor can you really argue if you don't play the Fifa right now. You simply don't have the recent frustration and experience, all you have is your memories. And in games like Fifa that frustration will run out very fast and you'll start talking about the game in a positive tone again.

This kind of stuff occurs in career mode only and I have absolutely zero doubt that my player's horrible agility, shooting accuracy, etc. that SHOULD be caused by fatigue is being controlled by the rubber band difficulty EA uses for nearly all their games. There is no logic to the fatigue issue here, all of a sudden right from the beginning of the match it can be your players walking in a mud, playing entirely differently, feeling entirely something else, missing every sinlge net, hitting posts, etc. It's not just one player, but the entire match. Everyone playing really horribly bad.

It doesn't matter if the opponent plays better especially in Cup games, what matters is when our players are randomly affected by something mystical.

I want the result to be as good as I play, the opponent can jump to legendary difficulty for all I care, but do NOT touch my players! I set up the team to play my football, my way and I control the players, so let it be that way. I don't want some random bad team jumping on the field when they're all in full energy and in excellent or good form.

If you want that kind of annoying game experience, then make it an option "do you want us to modify your team when you're too good for the AI?"

[Introspectah]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

I want the result to be as good as I play

Oh yeah?
How's that pan out for physical players and coaches?

How often you hear'em complain about not having gotten what they deserved?

Come on, man, this is football! where so often you just don't get what you deserve, or you manage to get what you don't deserve---true mark of league or cup victors.

''"do you want us to modify your team when you're too good for the AI?"''

Too good for the AI?
I can tell you---and i share your frustration as it's happened to me in the past, not anymore ever since i've perfected my gameplay---that when your defensive organization all throughout the field is too damn solid for the AI to break it down and penetrate it fairly easily, it won't mess up the movement or behaviour of your players.

This kind of stuff only happens when you're being dangerous offensively but holding up a block of hole-marked cheese in defense, or dragging your men too frequently and unprofessionally out of position.

Can say all you want 'bout the AI, but once you put a concistently solid defensive organization on the mat, they won't be flucking up your players, that's for damn sure.
But if you've never managed to perfect your defensive organization, which requires so much time, effort, practice yet above all, understanding and efficient implementation of knowledge into practice, you won't be able to relate to the experience i'm conveying.

[NinthFall]

Re: Adaptive Difficulty

Oh yeah?
How's that pan out for physical players and coaches?

How often you hear'em complain about not having gotten what they deserved?

Come on, man, this is football! where so often you just don't get what you deserve, or you manage to get what you don't deserve---true mark of league or cup victors.

''"do you want us to modify your team when you're too good for the AI?"''

Too good for the AI?
I can tell you---and i share your frustration as it's happened to me in the past, not anymore ever since i've perfected my gameplay---that when your defensive organization all throughout the field is too damn solid for the AI to break it down and penetrate it fairly easily, it won't mess up the movement or behaviour of your players.

This kind of stuff only happens when you're being dangerous offensively but holding up a block of hole-marked cheese in defense, or dragging your men too frequently and unprofessionally out of position.

Can say all you want 'bout the AI, but once you put a concistently solid defensive organization on the mat, they won't be flucking up your players, that's for damn sure.
But if you've never managed to perfect your defensive organization, which requires so much time, effort, practice yet above all, understanding and efficient implementation of knowledge into practice, you won't be able to relate to the experience i'm conveying.

Let me clarify myself.

I'm NOT complaining about losing, that is so not my issue. I'm complaining about the overall feel of certain games. Those games are not fun to play. And those games are the games where my players are suddenly walking in mud, missing everything, agility is like -40 when fatigue shouldn't play any part yet! And even when fatigue normally plays part in games, for some reason the players still move better. Win or lose, those games are just not fun and clear indication that there is something going on in the background.

And to answer to your earlier part; When I play a game, I want the game to be controlled by myself, solely by myself. I don't want some "realism motor" in the background figuring things out for players I control. Again, make the AI better, don't make my players worse.