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  • Krebstar
    is looking at stats.
    • May 2005
    • 12904

    #151
    Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

    Originally posted by Introspectah
    I acknowledge the validity of your argument, but what about heightening aggression whilst maintaining 'low pressure'?
    Couldn't that be a succesfully balanced combination? (perhaps in co-operation with player instructions of which some could be set to 'conservative'?)
    Did some testing with Burnley on low pressure and high aggression—what high aggression does is adjust closing down more than anything else. Pressure is how high or deep the defense sits, and aggression controls how they defend. Do they close you down more, or do the contain and let you have time and the ball, but not get you anything to do with it.

    I've tried it for several years, and I've never noticed high aggression equating to more fouls. I wish it did, but I just don't see it.

    In my initial test with no changes I played Burnley with 10 pressure and 25 aggression—within about five minutes of playing they had three fouls, and two yellow cards. There is more at play here than just tactic settings. Fouls are the white whale of FIFA, and trust me, I want them as much as anyone.

    However, I don't see tactics being the solution as of now. You're more than welcome to adjust aggression across the board when inputting tactics if you're seeing a better result.

    For now, I enjoy using something closer to the current settings as it makes teams defend differently. Trying to attack Liverpool and trying to attack Burnley are very different right now, and that's how it should be.

    Originally posted by KingKO92
    Go to the match report of their match against their best opponent.
    For formations and player positions I'd look at multiple heat maps over multiple matches. At least three, I'd say, unless you already have a good idea of where players often are.

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    • Krebstar
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      • May 2005
      • 12904

      #152
      Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

      Update: 11.27.16

      Updated Chelsea and West Ham's formations and tactics—switched their LM and RM to LWB and RWB.

      Will still get forward, and will perform defensive duties. More importantly, if you set those tactics before entering career mode the AI will select players they should be more frequently. In the case of Chelsea, if you left it at LM and RM, I doubt they'd ever use Azpilicueta, as the game wouldn't use him at RCB as Conte has been doing.

      Small change.
      Last edited by Krebstar; 12-09-2016, 07:15 PM.

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      • GoBlue81188
        MVP
        • Jul 2004
        • 1801

        #153
        Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

        Originally posted by Krebstar
        Update: 11.27.17

        Updated Chelsea and West Ham's formations and tactics—switched their LM and RM to LWB and RWB.

        Will still get forward, and will perform defensive duties. More importantly, if you set those tactics before entering career mode the AI will select players they should be more frequently. In the case of Chelsea, if you left it at LM and RM, I doubt they'd ever use Azpilicueta, as the game wouldn't use him at RCB as Conte has been doing.

        Small change.
        Still baffled Conte has used him there, and successfully at that! Played them in my CM, and what do you know he absolutely dominated me at CB.

        The 2nd controller is great because you really don't realize how truly awful the team selection from the CPU is until you go set their line up and see 3-4 starters "resting" with full stamina
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        • Krebstar
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          • May 2005
          • 12904

          #154
          Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

          Originally posted by lhsballa11
          Still baffled Conte has used him there, and successfully at that! Played them in my CM, and what do you know he absolutely dominated me at CB.

          The 2nd controller is great because you really don't realize how truly awful the team selection from the CPU is until you go set their line up and see 3-4 starters "resting" with full stamina
          Definitely another reason to use the second controller. It's unfortunate the rest of the AI games are not being used with better lineups, but nice to at least play a more realistic squad as a user.

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          • Brahvocado
            MVP
            • Oct 2012
            • 7480

            #155
            Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

            Originally posted by lhsballa11
            Still baffled Conte has used him there, and successfully at that!
            Not really that baffling. Dave is the best player in the world so obviously he's going to be able to excel in more than one position.

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            • GoBlue81188
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 1801

              #156
              Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

              Originally posted by Brahvocado
              Not really that baffling. Dave is the best player in the world so obviously he's going to be able to excel in more than one position.
              Guess I meant you typically don't see 5'10" 150lb CB's in the EPL, who excel.
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              • MikeGiani
                Pro
                • Aug 2008
                • 680

                #157
                Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                Krebstar,

                Quick question....with the cb's it looks like you move a lot of their positions up and back for some of the lesser teams...just curious as to why? I use your settings with the os sliders and it seems that my cbs are constantly to far up the pitch and out of position. I play with arsenal.
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                • Krebstar
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                  • May 2005
                  • 12904

                  #158
                  Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                  Originally posted by MikeGiani
                  Krebstar,

                  Quick question....with the cb's it looks like you move a lot of their positions up and back for some of the lesser teams...just curious as to why? I use your settings with the os sliders and it seems that my cbs are constantly to far up the pitch and out of position. I play with arsenal.
                  Certain teams play a higher line, such as Arsenal or Man City, which helps maintain possession. Other sides, like Burnley or Leicester are more than happy to have their CBs sit deep, absorb pressure, and get rid of the ball as quickly as they can.

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                  • KingKO92
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 167

                    #159
                    Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                    Originally posted by lhsballa11
                    Guess I meant you typically don't see 5'10" 150lb CB's in the EPL, who excel.
                    If you didn't know, Brahvacado is a Chelsea fan, and all Chelsea fans love Dave. So, he's gonna take any opportunity to praise him. Also, if you didn't notice, he said it a joking way.
                    A high schooler who enjoys realistic sports gaming.

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                    • DirtyCobra
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 620

                      #160
                      Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                      Originally posted by Krebstar
                      Did some testing with Burnley on low pressure and high aggression—what high aggression does is adjust closing down more than anything else. Pressure is how high or deep the defense sits, and aggression controls how they defend. Do they close you down more, or do the contain and let you have time and the ball, but not get you anything to do with it.

                      I've tried it for several years, and I've never noticed high aggression equating to more fouls. I wish it did, but I just don't see it.

                      In my initial test with no changes I played Burnley with 10 pressure and 25 aggression—within about five minutes of playing they had three fouls, and two yellow cards. There is more at play here than just tactic settings. Fouls are the white whale of FIFA, and trust me, I want them as much as anyone.

                      However, I don't see tactics being the solution as of now. You're more than welcome to adjust aggression across the board when inputting tactics if you're seeing a better result.

                      For now, I enjoy using something closer to the current settings as it makes teams defend differently. Trying to attack Liverpool and trying to attack Burnley are very different right now, and that's how it should be.



                      For formations and player positions I'd look at multiple heat maps over multiple matches. At least three, I'd say, unless you already have a good idea of where players often are.
                      I too have tested with 100 aggression and do not find that much of a difference in terms of fouls. Some games I get a lot of fouls and some not so many.

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                      • GoBlue81188
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 1801

                        #161
                        Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                        I want to again applaud all of those involved with this project.

                        With that said, I've had to amend a lot of these values, particularly the teams with extremely low values for passing. As an example: Arsenal. I completely get the idea behind the 1 value for speed and passing, to get them to use possession based game. The problem is that it is just too extreme. They are so safe and quick with their passing that they literally never organically pose a threat to my defense. Sure, I made some aggressive moves to intercept a pass and they had a lane at goal, but not once did that short quick passing result in any dangerous opportunities for the AI.

                        Again, I love the idea and theory, but for me I've had to play with a few of these values to still get some threat and variety out of the computer. Sure Arsenal play short, tidy passes, but you'll also see Ozil send a ball over the top to a runner or Sanchez take on a FB to get a cross in. In 90 minutes vs my Red Devils, it was all short pass pass pass, with zero threat on goal.

                        Just my .02, I don't say this to "blow things up" or troll or anything, just reporting what I've seen. On the plus side, they had 7 fouls with their current pressure/aggression setting

                        Keep up the good work guys, this has certainly improved the game for me!
                        Twitch: Goblue81188

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                        • KingKO92
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2016
                          • 167

                          #162
                          Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

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                          Player Instructions
                          LB Peluso - Attacking Support: Always Overlap
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          LCB Acerbi - Attacking Support: Stay Back
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          RCB Antei - Attacking Support: Stay Back
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          RB Lirola - Attacking Support: Always Overlap
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          CDM Magnanelli - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
                          - Attacking Support: Balanced
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          LM Ragusa - Defensive Support: Balanced
                          - Chance Creation: Stay Wide
                          - Support Runs: Come Short
                          - Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
                          - Position Freedom: Stick to Position
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          LCM Biondini - Attacking Support: Get Forward
                          - Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          - Position Freedom: Stick to Position
                          RCM Pellegrini - Attacking Support: Balanced
                          - Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          - Position Freedom: Stick to Position
                          CF Defrel - Support Runs: Balanced
                          - Attacking Runs: False 9
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          - Defensive Pressing: Press Back Line
                          ST Politano - Support Runs: Drift Wide
                          - Attacking Runs: Get in Behind
                          - Interceptions: Normal
                          - Defensive Pressing: Cut Passing Lanes

                          Team Tactics
                          Speed - 30
                          Passing - 100
                          Positioning - Organized
                          Passing - 75
                          Crossing - 30
                          Shooting - 50
                          Positioning - Organized
                          Pressure - 40
                          Aggression - 30
                          Width - 65
                          Defender Line - Offside Trap
                          A high schooler who enjoys realistic sports gaming.

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                          • DirtyCobra
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 620

                            #163
                            Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                            Originally posted by lhsballa11
                            I want to again applaud all of those involved with this project.

                            With that said, I've had to amend a lot of these values, particularly the teams with extremely low values for passing. As an example: Arsenal. I completely get the idea behind the 1 value for speed and passing, to get them to use possession based game. The problem is that it is just too extreme. They are so safe and quick with their passing that they literally never organically pose a threat to my defense. Sure, I made some aggressive moves to intercept a pass and they had a lane at goal, but not once did that short quick passing result in any dangerous opportunities for the AI.

                            Again, I love the idea and theory, but for me I've had to play with a few of these values to still get some threat and variety out of the computer. Sure Arsenal play short, tidy passes, but you'll also see Ozil send a ball over the top to a runner or Sanchez take on a FB to get a cross in. In 90 minutes vs my Red Devils, it was all short pass pass pass, with zero threat on goal.

                            Just my .02, I don't say this to "blow things up" or troll or anything, just reporting what I've seen. On the plus side, they had 7 fouls with their current pressure/aggression setting

                            Keep up the good work guys, this has certainly improved the game for me!

                            I have had the opposite when I have played Arsenal. I have had them tear me apart. I could not stop Ozil and Sanchez. I found that they we able to dissect me through their short passing and had tons of scoring opportunities.

                            How have you amended the values? What values and formations have you used to make them play like the true Arsenal?

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                            • Introspectah
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 328

                              #164
                              Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                              Once you've started a new career mode after having made some sheets for other teams, will you always have to use these same sheets? or can you make some adjustments throughout the season if you have selected 'custom squads'? (without having another controller on the side by the way)

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                              • Krebstar
                                is looking at stats.
                                • May 2005
                                • 12904

                                #165
                                Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

                                Originally posted by Introspectah
                                Once you've started a new career mode after having made some sheets for other teams, will you always have to use these same sheets? or can you make some adjustments throughout the season if you have selected 'custom squads'? (without having another controller on the side by the way)
                                As long as you have a second controller you can edit your opponent's tactics before the match starts.

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