Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

[ricardodc]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Live on youtube playing Liverpool (CPU) vs Leicester (CPU) with Krebstar custom tactics.

Cheers!

[Krebstar]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Hello, only just a idea or suggestion with the players instruction for made it more easy to edit.

Could you put the instruction number for each of the players?

For just visual ease of use and for less clutter, for now I'm going to keep it with just with the words and no numbers.

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Any way I can help in making tactics and formations?

[jsemperel]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

For just visual ease of use and for less clutter, for now I'm going to keep it with just with the words and no numbers.

I understand what you're saying..

Just an appreciation.. Because what is intended is to improve.
I'am an spanish user, and my game is in Spanish language. It would be much easier for players' instructions to be with numbers to make it easier to edit.

We are many Spanish users or other languages from other forums that come here to get more information on custom tactics, and it would be useful that I propose.

Thank you anyway you decide what you decide.

Sorry for my english

[fideco]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

The project is getting better and better every day
I really like the actual layout: it's clear and very intuitive and works like a charm..
Btw, your tactics work in a realistic way and did the trick, improving the ID Team.
Thanks again Krebstar!
Cheers

[Krebstar]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Any way I can help in making tactics and formations?

If you feel comfortable translating the formations and tactics to the game, I'd start taking a look at other European leagues.

Use what have been posted so far as a comparison in terms of custom tactics. Look at the extremes that exist, such as Arsenal and Man city vs teams like Burnley and Leicester.

After the premier league I'll be working on Germany—perhaps take a crack at Spain or Italy?

[DirtyCobra]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Krebstar, question for you. I see that you have been using Whoscored.com for the basis of your tactics. What is your process for coming up with player instructions and team instructions? I know you use heat maps, but could you elaborate if you do not mind? If not, no worries. I would love to create Serie A tactics.

You are right, extreme works best with tactics in Fifa. Thanks in advance.

[Krebstar]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Krebstar, question for you. I see that you have been using Whoscored.com for the basis of your tactics. What is your process for coming up with player instructions and team instructions? I know you use heat maps, but could you elaborate if you do not mind? If not, no worries. I would love to create Serie A tactics.

You are right, extreme works best with tactics in Fifa. Thanks in advance.

Heat maps are great to see if a player typically moves forward, stays in one area, tracks back, etc. All those things relate to player instructions.

The other aspect of player instructions is just getting the teams to play a certain style. If you want a team to play counter and hit the ball long, you're going to need to have wide players and forwards set to "get in behind". Maybe those players don't make tons of forward runs normally, but if that's how the team plays, that's how you get them to do it in FIFA.

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

If you feel comfortable translating the formations and tactics to the game, I'd start taking a look at other European leagues.

Use what have been posted so far as a comparison in terms of custom tactics. Look at the extremes that exist, such as Arsenal and Man city vs teams like Burnley and Leicester.

After the premier league I'll be working on Germany—perhaps take a crack at Spain or Italy?

Gotcha. Thanks, man.

[DirtyCobra]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Heat maps are great to see if a player typically moves forward, stays in one area, tracks back, etc. All those things relate to player instructions.

The other aspect of player instructions is just getting the teams to play a certain style. If you want a team to play counter and hit the ball long, you're going to need to have wide players and forwards set to "get in behind". Maybe those players don't make tons of forward runs normally, but if that's how the team plays, that's how you get them to do it in FIFA.

Perfect thanks. What sample size are you using from the heat maps? Are you using multiple games or just 1 or 2? Sorry for all the questions just curious to see how you construct your tactics.

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

<iframe width="350" height="500" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://lineupbuilder.com/350x500/?p=11&amp;a=1&amp;t=Roma%27s%20Formation&amp;c=660 033&amp;1=GK_Szczesny__388_174&amp;2=DL_Peres__317 _64&amp;3=DCL_Fazio__327_138&amp;4=DCR_Manolas__32 7_211&amp;5=DR_Florenzi__280_295&amp;6=ML_Perotti_ _219_61&amp;7=MC_Nainggolan__219_176&amp;8=DM_de%2 0Rossi__254_149&amp;9=MC_Strootman__247_215&amp;10 =FC_Dzeko__115_178&amp;11=AR_Salah__133_289&amp;c2 =ffcc00&amp;c3=ffffff&amp;output=embed"></iframe>

Player Roles
LB Peres - Attacking Roles: Always Overlap
- Interceptions: Normal
LCB Fazio - Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
RCB Manolas - Attacking Support: Join the Attack
- Interceptions: Normal
RWB Florenzi - Attacking Roles: Always Overlap
- Interceptions: Normal
LDM de Rossi - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
RDM Strootman - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
LM Perotti - Defensive Support: Come Back
- Chance Creation: Stay Wide
- Support Runs: Get in Behind
- Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
- Positioning Freedom: Stick to Position
- Interceptions: Normal
CM Nainggolan - Attacking Support: Balanced
- Support On Crosses: Edge of the Box
- Interceptions: Balanced
- Positioning Freedom: Free Roam
RW Salah - Defensive Support: Come Back
- Chance Creation: Cut Inside
- Support Runs: Get Behind
- Support on Crosses: Get in the Box
- Interceptions: Normal
ST Dzeko - Support Runs: Balanced
- Attacking Runs: Target Player
- Interceptions: Normal
- Defensive Pressing: Balanced
Team Tactics
Speed - 10
Passing - 35
Positioning - Organized
Passing - 10
Crossing - 80
Shooting - 10
Positioning - Organized
Pressure - 35
Aggression - 30
Width - 50
Defensive Line - Cover

P.S. @Krebstar, do you use any stats for pressure, aggression, and width?

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics &amp; Formations [FIFA 17]

Forgot to mention, anyone who watches Roma, please check to see if this works in-game. I don't watch Roma.

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics &amp; Formations [FIFA 17]

Want to give creating some tactics a try, what template would you like us to use to post in here to make it easy for you to translate to the website? Do you use a specific program to create the formations?

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics &amp; Formations [FIFA 17]

Also..question on your method to clear things up. Is there a reason that you stick to multiples of 5? I was thinking of adding a bit of variance to the values to add to small potential variances in game play. Do you find that only multiples of 5 show an effect?

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics &amp; Formations [FIFA 17]

<iframe width="350" height="500" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://lineupbuilder.com/350x500/?p=11&amp;a=1&amp;t=Roma%27s%20Formation&amp;c=660 033&amp;1=GK_Szczesny__388_174&amp;2=DL_Peres__317 _64&amp;3=DCL_Fazio__327_138&amp;4=DCR_Manolas__32 7_211&amp;5=DR_Florenzi__280_295&amp;6=ML_Perotti_ _219_61&amp;7=MC_Nainggolan__219_176&amp;8=DM_de%2 0Rossi__254_149&amp;9=MC_Strootman__247_215&amp;10 =FC_Dzeko__115_178&amp;11=AR_Salah__133_289&amp;c2 =ffcc00&amp;c3=ffffff&amp;output=embed"></iframe>

Player Roles
LB Peres - Attacking Roles: Always Overlap
- Interceptions: Normal
LCB Fazio - Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
RCB Manolas - Attacking Support: Join the Attack
- Interceptions: Normal
RWB Florenzi - Attacking Roles: Always Overlap
- Interceptions: Normal
LDM de Rossi - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
RDM Strootman - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
LM Perotti - Defensive Support: Come Back
- Chance Creation: Stay Wide
- Support Runs: Get in Behind
- Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
- Positioning Freedom: Stick to Position
- Interceptions: Normal
CM Nainggolan - Attacking Support: Balanced
- Support On Crosses: Edge of the Box
- Interceptions: Balanced
- Positioning Freedom: Free Roam
RW Salah - Defensive Support: Come Back
- Chance Creation: Cut Inside
- Support Runs: Get Behind
- Support on Crosses: Get in the Box
- Interceptions: Normal
ST Dzeko - Support Runs: Balanced
- Attacking Runs: Target Player
- Interceptions: Normal
- Defensive Pressing: Balanced
Team Tactics
Speed - 10
Passing - 35
Positioning - Organized
Passing - 10
Crossing - 80
Shooting - 10
Positioning - Free Form
Pressure - 35
Aggression - 50
Width - 50

P.S. @Krebstar, do you use any stats for pressure, aggression, and width?

Not sure what Krebstar uses but for pressure and aggression I have been using the descriptions of the teams Style of play above the formation. They list aggressive, non aggressive, plays in opponents half (high pressure teams) etc so I try to piece together what their style of defence is. Also as a sort of rule teams that play low aggression need to play narrower defensively because they need to contain the other team without leaving large gaps.