Feedback for fifa17 CTT

[andanesean]

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Turkey Süper Lig

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Turkey Süper Lig 6-10

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Turkey Süper Lig 11-15

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Turkey Süper Lig 16-18

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Danish Superliga

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Danish Superliga 6-10

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Danish Superliga 11-14

[ricardodc]

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Yes they give a nice overview[emoji2], I myself use pictures from FIFA CTT instructions. By both methods is time consuming. Where we are different and probably never agree is the minimum width of the defensive line. Can see you have Benfica and someother teams in the 20s, I will never go under 35 and then only with a backline with (3)5-2 0r 3-4.... To me it is unrealistic to push a width of 100 down to the 20s. (I know nobody uses 100, but it's this frame EA offers). To me, at the low width, as if all 4 (5) defenses play close to the goalkeeper's zone. And if you play offside with a highline then I think it would be the easiest in the world to break the defense from the sides, especially if you play with width to the wings. Otherwise I will not go below 45 And I use a minimum 5 difference in defense. But we do not have to agree and it's super we are discussing things.

The 1st one is FIFA 17 with my CTT (22 width). The other are some examples of real life. It's difficult to compare static images, but in my opinion the lower values for line width are more representative of current real life defensive lines used by top teams.

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[andanesean]

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The 1st one is FIFA 17 with my CTT (22 width). The other are some examples of real life. It's difficult to compare static images, but in my opinion the lower values for line width are more representative of current real life defensive lines used by top teams.

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For me it's far from 22. I know Benfica plays high line and with offside. But if you look at both of your pictures (FIFA image is distorted) and judges how much the line of defense (4) fills in the defensive line, it's a minimum of 40 to 45 for me and I use 45 for the teams playing with offside. If that At 22 they would be out of the sideline at etc 50, so I do not agree with you Ricardo it's too narrow a number but we interpret it each in our fashion so peace be with it. Below, I have uploaded your wish for Benfica's setup in relation to your 361 Team Sheet / formation post. Hope the explanation is clear ?.

[ricardodc]

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For me it's far from 22.

I don't want to get you wrong... Are you saying that's not width 22 or that width 22 should look narrow? I took that picture yesterday with my smartphone.

know Benfica plays high line and with offside. But if you look at both of your pictures (FIFA image is distorted) and judges how much the line of defense (4) fills in the defensive line, it's a minimum of 40 to 45 for me and I use 45 for the teams playing with offside. If that At 22 they would be out of the sideline at etc 50, so I do not agree with you Ricardo it's too narrow a number but we interpret it each in our fashion so peace be with it.

I am fine with different opinions and subjective interpretations. What needs to be done is to set CTT width slider to 1 and 100 and register the defensive width that results. Than, if possible, measure the true (real life) width and calculate the FIFA width value.

Below, I have uploaded your wish for Benfica's setup in relation to your 361 Team Sheet / formation post. Hope the explanation is clear ?.

I would choose option 3. Just one correction: swap Salvio for Pizzi.

Cheers!


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[andanesean]

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I don't want to get you wrong... Are you saying that's not width 22 or that width 22 should look narrow? I took that picture yesterday with my smartphone.



I am fine with different opinions and subjective interpretations. What needs to be done is to set CTT width slider to 1 and 100 and register the defensive width that results. Than, if possible, measure the true (real life) width and calculate the FIFA width value.


I would choose option 3. Just one correction: swap Salvio for Pizzi.

Cheers!


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Yes, in my world, your 2 last pictures are not 22, but closer to 40-45. If I see the width option in defense from 1-100 (the value FIFA allows fact no matter how much we interpret) from the left line corner to the right corner flag. It gives me a width of 78 that you do not use at 22, can you tell me where they would stand if they played with the width of 50 ?. For me, 22 would be if they all 4 stood in the middle circle. The Fifa image is from wide angle and therefore distorted. But of course there must be room for disagreement, I never think EA will make a template and define these numbers, it is our eyes to decide.
Regarding image 3: That means you will accept 4-1-3-2?. And I will correct player switch.

[ricardodc]

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If I see the width option in defense from 1-100 (the value FIFA allows fact no matter how much we interpret) from the left line corner to the right corner flag. It gives me a width of 78 that you do not use at 22, can you tell me where they would stand if they played with the width of 50 ?. For me, 22 would be if they all 4 stood in the middle circle.

That I think it's a misconception. Defensive Width 1 doesn't mean the defenders will stick together neither width 100 means the fullbacks will be near the sidelines. Look at these pictures:

Width 1


Width 100


Like GK ability 1 doesn't mean the GK are crap and will let all shots in neither 100 will mean they will be unbeaten. The same principle applies to all gameplay and tactics sliders. There are hidden limits that we can't change.

For curiosity, the min/max line width in default team tactics are 29/73.

Regarding image 3: That means you will accept 4-1-3-2?. And I will correct player switch.

Yes.

[andanesean]

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That I think it's a misconception. Defensive Width 1 doesn't mean the defenders will stick together neither width 100 means the fullbacks will be near the sidelines. Look at these pictures:

Width 1


Width 100


Like GK ability 1 doesn't mean the GK are crap and will let all shots in neither 100 will mean they will be unbeaten. The same principle applies to all gameplay and tactics sliders. There are hidden limits that we can't change.

For curiosity, the min/max line width in default team tactics are 29/73.



Yes.

Yes you misunderstand what I'm saying. I do not say they stand by 100 at the sidelines and at 1 in the midfield. I say you have a value of 1-100 and you use with 22 Well, 1/5 of the width, or the same as 20% of the width of the pitch, it's unrealistic and too close to me. Sorry but it's fairly simplified and take a picture and match the two values. There are several parameters that you exclude by judging a value from a few pictures. How many matches have you played with the two values 1 and 100 ?. Do you see a difference?. What formation do you use with the values ?.

For curiosity, the min/max line width in default team tactics are
29/73

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Must admit I do not know what you are talking about?. Would you like to elaborate on that please?.

Like GK ability 1 doesn't mean the GK are crap and will let all shots in neither 100 will mean they will be unbeaten. The same principle applies to all gameplay and tactics sliders. There are hidden limits that we can't change.

I think the compilation arguments are wrong. The goalkeeper's strength is from 1-100.(1 bad but not 100% due to code and 100 supernatural but again not completely invincible) But you can not judge the defense wide by the numbers 1-100, and that's not my intention. I'm just saying that the value in the 20's is too low for me compared to what it looks like on the pitch, not that they are inferior to my values. I ask you again, would you like to show me on picture eg Estriol team wide because I curiously want to see your 50 width value for defense?.

In addition, I believe we believe in the values, but interpret them differently. That's why we make CTT, otherwise we could as well run default with all values.

The defense is important to me, I choose to exclude Team Width 1-29 and use the values 30-35-40-45-50-55 and exclude the rest, I do not exclude 1-29 As part of 100, if you understand ?. Narrow is only possible in my CTT with teams playing 3-5-2 or 3-4- .. etc, 3 back defense line. I use the value difference of 5 To increase the diversity, but still within a quantity. But that's my interpretation and only mine. Again out of curiosity what value do you give a team who like to play 3-5-2, when we talk Team wide ?.

[ricardodc]

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Yes you misunderstand what I'm saying.

Sorry! Not uncommon.

I do not say they stand by 100 at the sidelines and at 1 in the midfield. I say you have a value of 1-100 and you use with 22 Well, 1/5 of the width, or the same as 20% of the width of the pitch, it's unrealistic and too close to me. Sorry but it's fairly simplified and take a picture and match the two values. There are several parameters that you exclude by judging a value from a few pictures. How many matches have you played with the two values 1 and 100 ?. Do you see a difference?. What formation do you use with the values ?.

If you keep all other parameters the same, I think it's logical to assume consequences are due to the only one you changed. I know a few pictures are not enough neither ideal to prove any point, but that's something.
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Must admit I do not know what you are talking about?. Would you like to elaborate on that please?.

Just a curiosity about default values. Nothing else.

I'm just saying that the value in the 20's is too low for me compared to what it looks like on the pitch

That's fine.

would you like to show me on picture eg Estriol team wide because I curiously want to see your 50 width value for defense?.

Didn't understood. What's "Estriol"?

The defense is important to me, I choose to exclude Team Width 1-29

If i am correct, my lowest value is 22. So our difference is between lowest 22 or 30. I don't see those 8 points as significant.

But that's my interpretation and only mine. Again out of curiosity what value do you give a team who like to play 3-5-2, when we talk Team wide ?.

That's our main difference. Criteria. You use formations related to defense width, I don't. And i am fine with it. I don't say you are wrong, better or worse. Peace...



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[andanesean]

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Sorry! Not uncommon.



If you keep all other parameters the same, I think it's logical to assume consequences are due to the only one you changed. I know a few pictures are not enough neither ideal to prove any point, but that's something.
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Just a curiosity about default values. Nothing else.



That's fine.



Didn't understood. What's "Estriol"?



If i am correct, my lowest value is 22. So our difference is between lowest 22 or 30. I don't see those 8 points as significant.



That's our main difference. Criteria. You use formations related to defense width, I don't. And i am fine with it. I don't say you are wrong, better or worse. Peace...



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The question is not about right or wrong, if we can even put it up that way ?. It is crucial if we learn something from each other's different opinions and attitudes and that we pack our little egos into the box . I have learned some of your attitudes and values.

Didn't understood. What's "Estriol"?

Estoril is a team from League NOS in Portugal, I did I spell it wrong . You have the value of Defense Team wide 51 for them.

If i am correct, my lowest value is 22. So our difference is between lowest 22 or 30. I don't see those 8 points as significant.

The difference from 22-30 is not much seen from an excluded point of view. But as you mention, I use Team defense wide reletet to formation that makes 3-5-2 = 30 (few 3-5-2 Teams 35-40) everything else minimum 40, so the distance is at least 18 points.