Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

[GoBlue81188]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

For me, I'm now just more concerned with having a balanced gameplay experience, and IMO that image above isn't all that worrisome and is actually reason for optimism. Yes, you'd like to see those CMs be more intentional with helping out when the midfield line is beaten (though what would that image look like if it's CDMs and not CMs) but on the other hand you can't just ignore that whoever is defending in that image isn't even controlling a player on the screen. That entire situation would be mitigated if the player was controlling a CM and brought him deep.

While concerns over the CM behavior are totally valid, the overall team's positioning is greatly improved relative to what you'd typically see in FIFA 21. While it's not the more simulation type gameplay we may want, as long as overall positioning is improved - and IMO it appears that's the case in pretty much everything that we 've seen so far - we should be able to defend more solidly and competently at default settings. That alone would be a huge win in my books.

As long as the CPU is competent at defending - yes, a big if as always with FIFA - overall it looks much better than what we have currently and I'll take it.

I guess that's the point though. This is vs. AI behavior we see in the clip, and it's just not correct defensive principles in the least. Shape is fine, but it's clearly extremely rigid. If a player exits the CM's "marking space" he will then ignore him. It creates a situation where there is no urgency around the box at all. Those should be the toughest areas to get to on the pitch and in it's current state, thats simply not the case.

In turn, it makes gameplay very unrewarding- which probably best describes why I haven't played the series regularly since 2019. I enjoy soccer because of the build up and the work/genius that goes into quality scoring chances. Passing it through the AI defense is extremely easy, for any level of gamer in FIFA, IMO. There is no reward for honing those skills.

[TripleJay_X]

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EA is hearing you all, they offering so many options allready...slow/normal/fast gameplay, competitior mode, Agility Dribbling, bunch of assists on and off and now they want to add a SIMULATION Mode to FIFA 22.... you heard right.... but it's just a joke and a bad joke LOL

I don't understand why people not switch to Konami's PES then? Hey, F2P now (on release), 9 (nine!) Teams overall, no Master League....okay, okay, sounds crap too. I get it.

[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

EA is hearing you all, they offering so many options allready...slow/normal/fast gameplay, competitior mode, Agility Dribbling, bunch of assists on and off and now they want to add a SIMULATION Mode to FIFA 22.... you heard right.... but it's just a joke and a bad joke LOL

I don't understand why people not switch to Konami's PES then? Hey, F2P now (on release), 9 (nine!) Teams overall, no Master League....okay, okay, sounds crap too. I get it.

We all know the worst arcade drift of the last three years of Fifa because of the pressure of the Fut world that brings a lot of cash to EA: as a result the offline gameplay has been ruined, especially in Fifa 21.
We all hope that Fifa 22 will be better but in the meantime we try to see carefully the evidence that is shown to us by EA and make our thoughts....as I tried to do
So maybe it's better to approach the topic with well thought out arguments
Waiting to know better how Fifa 22 will be.

[fideco]

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On another English forum I read that in press conference, answering a question if the CMs will tracking back in Fifa 22, Sam Rivera ( Lead Gameplay Producer for FIFA) has already said that they don't, because if they did, there'd be less goals, and that's "not fun".
So sad...

[adoptedscouse]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again...

Weirdly though some teams do track back very well. I think it’s going to depend on teams instead of all doing it which is sad.

On beta I saw Thiago drop into Van Dijks position because Van Dijk had stopped up & when he dropped back into position Thiago handed position over & tracked a player instead.


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[TripleJay_X]

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"NOT FUN"?! So, they seriously believe their game is fun?! Wow, now that's what i call funny.
Their default gameplay is so quick and fast, even on slowmode and so arcadey and scripted. I didn't touch one fifa without a modded gameplay patch. So, it's useless to mention a console fifa is never gonna make it to my library.

Fun it is, to brake a defense, open gaps, create chances with skilled players on top of your own skills to read a match/opponent and change tactics.

[scheckdiesel]

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In a lucid dream I had, where I was able to play the 22 beta, I dreamed that the midfield was tracking back on next gen. In this dream, they still did some ball watching, but they were much more available to be user switched and make a defensive play.

Again, this was in a dream I had. Definitely was not real life.

[fideco]

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Here is the opinion of another user in Beta

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2050436401&postcount=27

"One negative is the midfielders still seem to not want to play defense in the box."

[dubcity]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

On another English forum I read that in press conference, answering a question if the CMs will tracking back in Fifa 22, Sam Rivera ( Lead Gameplay Producer for FIFA) has already said that they don't, because if they did, there'd be less goals, and that's "not fun".
So sad...

Yeah, that's a wrap. For anyone trying to fix the game with sliders or tactics it's just not worth the effort anymore lol. This is what it is.

[scheckdiesel]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

It's hard to remember, because this was a dream. Yes, they didn't want to play defense, but they were there. In FIFA 21, the midfielders were outside the 18 the whole time.

Here is the opinion of another user in Beta

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2050436401&postcount=27

"One negative is the midfielders still seem to not want to play defense in the box."

[fideco]

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Yeah, that's a wrap. For anyone trying to fix the game with sliders or tactics it's just not worth the effort anymore lol. This is what it is.

I understand very well your point of view:
I think that sliders should be used only to customize one's playing style, not as a game changer
But as a seasoned Sliders editer will still do my best, as I did from 16 to 21
I'll not give up...

[ecantona9]

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I know we shouldn't have to do this but has anyone tried going into instructions and setting the CMs to defend the center of the pitch? Normally the instructions that I see for these players are defending the wings. Just a thought.

[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

I know we shouldn't have to do this but has anyone tried going into instructions and setting the CMs to defend the center of the pitch? Normally the instructions that I see for these players are defending the wings. Just a thought.

It's a trick that mitigates only partially the issue for us that we also control manually the players on the field, but it's not effective with the cpu.
Things improve a little bit if you shorten the length like 1/5, but the issue remains and it's present again on Fifa 22

[fideco]

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I have played hundred matches with 21 on Professional and WC, both to make sliders and in Career.
I'm sorry to say this, but after watching many videos of Fifa 22 beta, I see no improvement in the tactical movements of the cpu:
they are more or less the same as in 21.
I'm not talking about the animations, but the logical flow of movements of players on the field
Even the absence of crosses from the goal line observed in 21 has remained the same with the cpu always trying an improbable dribbling starting from the flag.
The cpu offensive gameplay is for now predictable, lacking in fantasy, despite EA said that the cpu offensive options have been multiplied thanks to the increased computing power.
In defense phase (especially cpu side) I always observe "the invisible wall" erected by Sam Rivera:
practically speaking it's like an imaginary (but real) horizontal line erected 5-6 meters from the penalty area that is rarely crossed by someone of the midfielders:
zero pressing and zero tackling on the ball carrier by the midfield package.
EA on the tactical movements (not animations that have improved) on cpu side, in my opinion, have made a cut/copy of 21 patterns
The result is the absence of midfield gameplay , pass-pass-shot strategy based, and a weaker CPU in the defensive phase (often too far away from the ball carrier, with little pressing, little or no tackling (this translates into zero fouls) and Cpu also absolutely poor in the offensive phase
More and more convinced that EA continues undaunted to neglect the mechanics of offline gameplay, to favor the Fut logic (1 Versus 1)
Maybe I'm wrong but for now these are my feelings based on the many beta videos viewed (player/cpu)
But I was expecting more...
I hope the final version will be different, very different (offline gameplay ).

[1860fan]

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Hello fideco what you write doesn't sound good at all, we can only hope that the full version will be better.</pre>