FIFA 17 OS Community Sliders

[TeleTex82]

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Yeah, gents I wish you the absolute best of luck in this valiant endeavour but I'm out this year. There is way too much of the same in this game to tempt me into going for another ride on the EA train. Feels just like 16 with pretty lighting effects. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, well... the way approaches this game reminds me of how big American beer companies approach their beer, they use big name celebrities, gimmicks like cans that change color when they're cold, new "cold brewing" technologies, anything to basically distract the consumers from the fact that the stuff that matters, the stuff in the can, is the same piss flavored swill they've been peddling for years. Amazing how strong brand loyalty and marketing can be.

[EvertonianSteeler]

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Well its that time of the year again ..... Slidertime !!!


Nice to see some familiar names on here. I think I must be a bit weird because I am actually looking forward to the testing and the discussions and stuff in here almost as much as the game itself.


No pre access for me so it will be a watching brief for the first week but you can be sure I will be around to chuck an opinion or two in by this time next week .... especially if that too deep defensive line hasn't been sorted. Demo and videos seen look promising though.


Its good to be back ......

[Matt10]

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I think i can definitely stomach the bursting, jogging, etc... To me it´s how the AI will play on offense (defense is ok).

This is the game breaker for me, about the rest... i think all games have their "nature" A.K.A "legacy problems" and honestly, to me, the bursting or jogging isn´t something that kills the game (offensive AI is).

FWIW, I have seen quite a bit of variety. In typical FIFA fashion though, it surprises you when it happens, and you can't wait till the CPU's next possession. Kind of feels like you're encouraging them, it's odd. I want to get away from that, so a deeper look into tactics needs to be done this year I feel.

There is a big problem, again, similar to last year but maybe worst because that happen when you make an acceleration. When you hold acceleration the defender don't opposed.

In this video (sorry for bad quality is not mine), you see that happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHk2vEeJwL4

2.20
11.26

This is happened also the first sperimental sliders of Matt10, at World Class and Legendary.

Yup, that's what I was talking about in the previous post, it's simply bursting.

The only thing I can think about is a discrepancy of acceleration and/or sprint speed. We'll just have to see how the tests go there.

Yeah, gents I wish you the absolute best of luck in this valiant endeavour but I'm out this year. There is way too much of the same in this game to tempt me into going for another ride on the EA train. Feels just like 16 with pretty lighting effects. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, well... the way approaches this game reminds me of how big American beer companies approach their beer, they use big name celebrities, gimmicks like cans that change color when they're cold, new "cold brewing" technologies, anything to basically distract the consumers from the fact that the stuff that matters, the stuff in the can, is the same piss flavored swill they've been peddling for years. Amazing how strong brand loyalty and marketing can be.

Yup, agreed on all fronts.

For some reason it's FIFA and that is nostalgic to me. It's a different game/format and overall presentation than PES.

FIFA may be going a non-sim route, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage ourselves to dip into the possibilities of making it our own.

Patch updates are the killer for me. Once something is figured out, another one drops, and bam - back to the drawing board.

Well its that time of the year again ..... Slidertime !!!


Nice to see some familiar names on here. I think I must be a bit weird because I am actually looking forward to the testing and the discussions and stuff in here almost as much as the game itself.


No pre access for me so it will be a watching brief for the first week but you can be sure I will be around to chuck an opinion or two in by this time next week .... especially if that too deep defensive line hasn't been sorted. Demo and videos seen look promising though.


Its good to be back ......

Welcome back, ES. Great to see you. Looking forward to your findings and thoughts. I too am looking forward to the game, and testing the capabilities.

I was telling reaper yesterday that I'm in a bit of a funk on testing right now. I think it's because this limited countdown makes me feel "rushed". I do not like it, lol. Every single replay I go into feels like time just ticking down.

I got 2 hours in last night, and I can say that this game will most likely work like 16 did. It has better positioning and less defensive disconnect, but it definitely needs some areas to be improved.

[Non Idoneo]

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Yup, that's what I was talking about in the previous post, it's simply bursting.

The only thing I can think about is a discrepancy of acceleration and/or sprint speed. We'll just have to see how the tests go there.

Every year the same problem in a different sauces, unbelievable.

I already tryed to increase acceleration to CPU and a little bit of marking but the problem is not resolved. The problem worst whit R3 to extend the run with ball.

Please man, keep us updated, this is a big problem. Thank you!

[orion523]

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Thanks for this Matt!

Well, we can now conclude that Fifa 17 is just like Fifa 16. Both games must be played with a high acceleration slider setting to make the game viable, meaning we have to stomach fast gameplay. How could people be pleased with this!?!

The speed and acceleration settings in the game must remain somewhere near default yes, so in that respect it's similar to 16, but that however is where the similarities end. 17 is much more of a stop/start game than 16 was. Every inch of space it seems is challenged, and with the new shielding mechanic, it's possible now to hold up play, which makes a huge difference in the ebb and flow of the match. Because of that, there are very few instances of wide open sprinting.

[JimmyDeicide]

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On a side note, if after your 10 hrs is up and then you pre order you get another 10 hrs, at least thats how it worked with NHL.

[Lashley93]

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On a side note, if after your 10 hrs is up and then you pre order you get another 10 hrs, at least thats how it worked with NHL.

Never worked like that on FIFA early access before

[Sarezar]

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Has anyone tested CPU pass error yet? Has its behaviour changed or is it the same? In all previous iterations, there was never a setting that would allow realistic pass error.

[FelaKuti]

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Pass error works well, previously it didn't seem to affect Legendary AI so much outside of crossing but you can really see the effects now.

Game still has that terrible easiness of bursting/dribbling that I don't think any slider settings will fix, though.

[Non Idoneo]

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Bursting is a big problem, it's impossibile to fix whit sliders. Tha game is broken, unplayable. The only hope is that EA fix this bug beacause is unbelivable.

More clips of the same match, Legendary.

http://xboxclips.com/Non+Idoneo+83/f37b255d-098a-43f2-a89f-b4e1d5011a3d

3.34, Onyedinma walk in red carpet.

http://xboxclips.com/Non+Idoneo+83/036af82d-d0ae-4c00-a73e-7f6b9178f2ea

2.12, coast to coast whit Webster. Here, CPU have +10 of acceleration and +10 of speed sprint.

The same problem is already present in the demo. Neuer...unbelivable, 4.31 at Legendary.

http://xboxclips.com/Non+Idoneo+83/e68ecab5-24eb-492e-87ae-b0985320594f

[Matt10]

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Some thoughts after a couple more tests, and matches.

- Bursting remains enemy #1.

- When defending, the CPU has a very annoying tendency to sprint forward, and push themselves out of position, for no reason, as the player with the ball glides past.

- Pass Error works nicely. Tested various settings and 70 looks like a good mix. Not as many bad crosses like 16 either. More passes into space by the CPU.

- Pass Speed needs to be toned down. The CPU, whether it's Newport County or Arsenal, try to break you down with drilled passing. It is extremely OP.

- If Pass Error is raised, they still perform the drilled pass, it just flies chest high like it did in FIFA 16. So again, Pass Speed will help this.

- Pass Error raised results in the CPU GK still being in-between minds on what to do with the ball at his feet. Have to find the proper balance here.

- Line Height increased will prevent the CPU GK perfectly punting to an unmarked forward.

- Sprint Speed at, or below 50, will result in jogging animation a lot sooner, this time while dribbling with, and without, the ball.

[Stimuli]

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No idea why I do this to myself but I've ordered '17, After playing the demo and seeing the bursting and as Matt mentions above, the defender sprint forward I should stay away, But I suppose I'm an addict.

Nice to see you all here again though and hopefully we can deal with the issues promptly

[Sarezar]

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Thanks for the feedback on pass error, sounds promising. While the game eventually becomes too easy, without realistic pass error I don't see how it can feel more realistic as a whole.

I'm not entirely sure I understand the issue you are describing with bursting. As far as I can tell, it's not 100% successful and it won't work very well on Legendary when the opponent is strong (in reality, players burst like that all the time when the opponent is not marking well/very closely).

If the problem is indeed as serious though, hopefully an adjustment to Marking will improve it.

[orion523]

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I don't know about this bursting thing, I mean does it exist? It does, but, and this is my problem with it, you have to seek it out, you have to "try" to do it,and that for me makes it a cheese move, an exploit if you will, that is totally avoidable by simply playing football. Why waste our valuable time on fixing an exploit? Just don't do it!

[Matt10]

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Good to see you, Stim

Sarezar - it's more so as you're already sprinting. So you can hold down sprint and cut inside, and veer across the bank, and back in, untouched.

I experimented this morning, threw some values together. Tested Analog Sprint Off, and some other things.

And, yes - I did test bursting, just watch the video.

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