FIFA 20 OS Community Sliders

[Matt10]

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First impressions is that it is a bit open in the midfield. Some weird animations by the CB jogging to let players dribble past them on occasion. CPU plays pretty direct if there is an opening. Decent variety though. Seeing some instances of defensive ADD that was similar to FIFA 15 as well.

I do like the CBs are following attackers past the half, and are also staying up for corners instead of immediately retreating. Weight of players feel good. Ball physics are decent, the shots on the laces are way too fast. The pass speed is very nice and varied. Keeper save animations aren't terrible, seeing some two handed outstretched saves again though.

10 mins of gameplay here (all I could squeeze in during lunch break). Will stream later.

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[jrnlgrn]

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Cracked and decided to pre order and get EA access for the month. Downloading it now. So it will be ready when I get home from work.

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[Aaron458f]

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First impressions is that it is a bit open in the midfield. Some weird animations by the CB jogging to let players dribble past them on occasion. CPU plays pretty direct if there is an opening. Decent variety though. Seeing some instances of defensive ADD that was similar to FIFA 15 as well.



I do like the CBs are following attackers past the half, and are also staying up for corners instead of immediately retreating. Weight of players feel good. Ball physics are decent, the shots on the laces are way too fast. The pass speed is very nice and varied. Keeper save animations aren't terrible, seeing some two handed outstretched saves again though.



10 mins of gameplay here (all I could squeeze in during lunch break). Will stream later.



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Your keeper getting beat at near post when they went 1-0 up shouldn’t Happen jumps up instead of going for the ball lol if I didn’t no this was fifa 20 I’d still think it was 19 from looking at it lol and the dull outdated commentary still there


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[Tabemaju]

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Has anyone noticed a distinct change in the shielding/tackling? I have only played online so far, but it seems like both are somehow stronger. A strong defender can barrel over someone with the ball without a penalty just by being aggressive on B. Alternatively, strong offensive players are next to impossible to tackle while they're shielding.

[ImmortalMindz]

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Just finished playing a dozen+ games with the early access. I've been obsessed with FIFA for as long as I can remember but this is just awful. With sliders I was able to enjoy FIFA 19 but I don't think this can be saved.

This isn't football. There's hardly any emphasis on football fundamentals, and the behavior and positioning of players, mainly in defense, is just horrid. Ball physics are... weird. Players still feel like gangly stick men who do things no man can do.

There's definitely some improvements, but the focus on making the online game all about one-on-ones has ruined the single player game. Not too mention the terrible defensive AI from past years that they still haven't fixed - like defenders stuttering in movement backwards rather than sprinting back, or getting confused between man marking and sticking to their zone.

And don't get me started on how defenders just don't know how to get and stay goal side of attackers.

I don't think I can do another year of this. FIFA is about as bad on the pitch as PES is bad off the pitch. I know where my priorities lie, so it might have to be PES for me this year.

So disappointed.

[GoBlue81188]

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Just finished playing a dozen+ games with the early access. I've been obsessed with FIFA for as long as I can remember but this is just awful. With sliders I was able to enjoy FIFA 19 but I don't think this can be saved.

This isn't football. There's hardly any emphasis on football fundamentals, and the behavior and positioning of players, mainly in defense, is just horrid. Ball physics are... weird. Players still feel like gangly stick men who do things no man can do.

There's definitely some improvements, but the focus on making the online game all about one-on-ones has ruined the single player game. Not too mention the terrible defensive AI from past years that they still haven't fixed - like defenders stuttering in movement backwards rather than sprinting back, or getting confused between man marking and sticking to their zone.

And don't get me started on how defenders just don't know how to get and stay goal side of attackers.

I don't think I can do another year of this. FIFA is about as bad on the pitch as PES is bad off the pitch. I know where my priorities lie, so it might have to be PES for me this year.

So disappointed.

I made it 75 minutes into game 1 and flicked it off. I LOVE FIFA, and have been a mainstay in this thread for a few years now. I consider myself extremely positive in my feedback and optimism for our efforts, with this community.

With that said....

Your post almost takes the words out of mouth. The focus on 1 v 1 play has made it so the AI controlled defenders have almost no clue they are even in a football match. It’s absolutely shocking, and clearly a conscious decision from EA. You can’t NOT notice this within minutes of picking up the game.

I actually enjoyed the ball physics and thought the passing is as good as I’ve seen OOTB. There are errors from both sides. Also thought the overall shape and lines are also quite solid visually.

Of course any improvements are completely overshadowed by the utter lack of AI awareness defensively. It also took me a half to see no improvements were made to 50/50 collision detection. It’s the same old story with fouls. It’s not about the stat either, it’s about the collision and opportunity for a foul. It simply does not replicate the physicality of a real match. This isn’t some soft finesse sport, there can still be grit!


I hope to the heavens that a Day 1 patch addresses this, but at this point I don’t believe in EA’s direction.

I can’t say “I’m out!”, because I’ve seen Matt work miracles before. Let’s hope he’s got one more rabbit to pull out the hat.

Co-signed,
Disappointed

[Matt10]

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Damn, that's tough to hear, guys. I'm fixing on jumping in shortly, but got some other things to attend to. I wanted to watch Balla's last stream as well. What an absolute killer though - and I promise iwon't say it...a lot...but the prepatch beta was soo good. Now, to see how badly this is being received. Ah.

[AustonPowers34]

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I can’t say “I’m out!”, because I’ve seen Matt work miracles before. Let’s hope he’s got one more rabbit to pull out the hat.

I freaking hope so! I've been powering through the remainder of my current season in FIFA 18 CM so I can jump into FIFA 20 once it releases for the rest of us without early access.

I was going to get it on first day release, but seeing the feedback I'm thinking now it's a better idea to get a used copy or get it on sale this year. I know FIFA and NHL is usually bundled together on the PS Store so I could jump on that too.

The community sliders has never let me down. I remember with FIFA 18 no matter how badly EA altered gameplay with each patch release, this community was able to respond with changes that kept the offline gameplay tolerable.

Even if my friend wants me to play FUT with him, I'll always prioritize CM more, so I'm hoping to get a little more involved this year. We got this!

[NorthLdN]

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I made it 75 minutes into game 1 and flicked it off. I LOVE FIFA, and have been a mainstay in this thread for a few years now. I consider myself extremely positive in my feedback and optimism for our efforts, with this community.



With that said....



Your post almost takes the words out of mouth. The focus on 1 v 1 play has made it so the AI controlled defenders have almost no clue they are even in a football match. It’s absolutely shocking, and clearly a conscious decision from EA. You can’t NOT notice this within minutes of picking up the game.



I actually enjoyed the ball physics and thought the passing is as good as I’ve seen OOTB. There are errors from both sides. Also thought the overall shape and lines are also quite solid visually.



Of course any improvements are completely overshadowed by the utter lack of AI awareness defensively. It also took me a half to see no improvements were made to 50/50 collision detection. It’s the same old story with fouls. It’s not about the stat either, it’s about the collision and opportunity for a foul. It simply does not replicate the physicality of a real match. This isn’t some soft finesse sport, there can still be grit!





I hope to the heavens that a Day 1 patch addresses this, but at this point I don’t believe in EA’s direction.



I can’t say “I’m out!”, because I’ve seen Matt work miracles before. Let’s hope he’s got one more rabbit to pull out the hat.



Co-signed,

Disappointed

I echo some of this but have a slightly different take. The defending is more difficult to the extent that it seems the developers are putting the onus on the player to make tackles - they’re putting the AI controlled defenders in cover positions in front of the play, ready for you to take control and make a tactical tackle. This means that holding the AI support button does a lot less than it used to.

For me personally, the change isn’t that huge as that’s largely how I’ve defended for the last few FIFAs, with Tactical Defending rather than Legacy and trying not to slam the AI support button as it drags players out of position.

I wonder how many of us use legacy vs tactical defending?

I have found that using a high press strategy helps push the AI into the tackle more, not exactly a fix for those annoyed by it but it does make a difference.


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[Aaron458f]

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From reading people’s thoughts on the game so far let’s hope day 1 patch helps as it sounds like it’s just another load of bs from EA was so worried when I read EA was making AI defending less helpful, basically means hectic switching from the user to try control every player!! Can’t say to much as I haven’t played it yet but if we can make fifa 19 playable surely we can put in the effort to make this half decent!!


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[Chrisx]

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The defending is more difficult to the extent that it seems the developers are putting the onus on the player to make tackles - they’re putting the AI controlled defenders in cover positions in front of the play, ready for you to take control and make a tactical tackle. This means that holding the AI support button does a lot less than it used to.

Which may sound logical only if you consider esports (And even then I think it's a stupid concept, not unlike the timed finishing/manual gk gimmicks. Only difference is that I can turn those off/ignore them). Let's not blindly adopt EAs marketing. This is simply making 10 players out of 11 act like complete idiots and we're playing an 11v11 sport. It's nothing more and nothing less than that.

Player switching like a maniac is neither a defending skill nor fun. Conceding because one of your defenders did nothing because he was not "selected/active" looks funny and kills any immersion that you're playing 11v11. BUT I wish that was the only issue, unfortunately that's not even the worst part about this terrible game. That award has to go to the CPU defence: They can't defend and they will very rarely step up and challenge for the ball. The cpu team can't even play with this new bs defending system properly and the game is actually TOO EASY as a result. Everything is just fundamentally broken.

If you do get good at defending you'll be winning matches 4 or 5-0. If not you'll be seeing scores like 4-3 too often when playing against strong teams.

This is me against the legendary AI.
(I am not trying to make the game look bad on purpose, I am just testing the CPU to see how it defends, after trying to play properly and realizing that it's child's play to create chances/goals against the legendary AI):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8cJMiQFpM

[Aaron458f]

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Does anyone have a basic slider set to work with for now. I don’t want to use all my 10 hours on a default set so I was hoping someone has found a basic set that works well for 15 min half’s


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Lol you want a set already people have been playing for like a day so doubt there is a set


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[Chrisx]

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Does anyone have a basic slider set to work with for now. I don’t want to use all my 10 hours on a default set so I was hoping someone has found a basic set that works well for 15 min half’s


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Only a patch may save this, which is why it's wise to save some of your 10 hours and see how it will play after the inevitable day 1 patch. I won't be playing any more until then. 15 minute halves sounds too ambitious, I had a game end 5-3 playing 10 minute halves.

[Matt10]

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Yes, please save some of your hours if possible. I barely got any time at all last night. However, I also saw both teammate AI defending AND CPU defending...was all over the place. Even in my video posted a couple pages ago, @3:15 - you can see how bad the CB Vestergaard just jockeys himself out of position, then proceeds to jog after I've basically past him. Also seeing the Bertrand trying to recover...by marking...the corner flag?

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There are some definite issues going on with the defending logic. Really surprising to be honest. I also hope for a patch, but will get to "work" later today. Let's just hope the slider are true to their value.

[Aaron458f]

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Yes, please save some of your hours if possible. I barely got any time at all last night. However, I also saw both teammate AI defending AND CPU defending...was all over the place. Even in my video posted a couple pages ago, @3:15 - you can see how bad the CB Vestergaard just jockeys himself out of position, then proceeds to jog after I've basically past him. Also seeing the Bertrand trying to recover...by marking...the corner flag?



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There are some definite issues going on with the defending logic. Really surprising to be honest. I also hope for a patch, but will get to "work" later today. Let's just hope the slider are true to their value.

Hopefully a day 1 patch can solve things and when everyone has the game more eyes on it to!! But as we know EA never releases the same game from the beta to the release version not sure why we thought they would lol can see it now still be tinkering with slider this time next year ha ha


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