FIFA 20 OS Community Sliders

[ImmortalMindz]

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So to be clear, what you're saying is that to get the game playing well, remove all player instructions from both the user and CPU teams?

Damn. I love fiddling with player instructions. This sucks.

(If this is true, it should also have an effect on other game modes, like FUT. Anyone see this mentioned elsewhere? This should be posted on reddit for others to test if this is the case; it'd be a massive deal.)

[saints0221]

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Ok so I just went to boot up and it is downloading something....patch out already??
Edit: false alarm, just a fix for something in Volta.

[BearsNVA]

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I don't understand half the stuff you guys discuss, tweak and do on here, but this I understand. Well, I understand what I need to do regarding the two controllers. I don't understand why it works.

All I can say, is I feel like crying. You saved FIFA 20 until they fix it. Last night I played a match and turned it off after I went up 5-0 in the first half. I started the exact same game, used the work around and I was losing 1-0 at half. I never thought I would be so happy losing a game at half, lol.

Thank you so much!

[saints0221]

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Ok so I just put all sliders back to default, used the workaround(and fixed CPU lineup and bench while I was at it), and lost 3-1 to Everton. Which, felt pretty right. If anything, it played more like 19. Perhaps however they coded the new defending logic gets “disabled” when you put all instructions back to default? Either way, good stuff.

[Chrisx]

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Well figuring out what's causing it is huge!
But it's still a workaround and it has to be fixed by EA, otherwise (if I understand this correctly), you fix this, and tactics and instructions are meaningless and can't be changed for any team?

So, it has to be properly fixed, not something lazy like EA reverting all instructions to default and calling it a fix.

(I also can't help but wonder if the gameplay you get when you reset the instructions to default is the unintended one, but surely it can't be...).

[AustonPowers34]

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So to be clear, what you're saying is that to get the game playing well, remove all player instructions from both the user and CPU teams?

Damn. I love fiddling with player instructions. This sucks.

(If this is true, it should also have an effect on other game modes, like FUT. Anyone see this mentioned elsewhere? This should be posted on reddit for others to test if this is the case; it'd be a massive deal.)

Well figuring out what's causing it is huge!
But it's still a workaround and it has to be fixed by EA, otherwise (if I understand this correctly), you fix this, and tactics and instructions are meaningless and can't be changed for any team?

So, it has to be properly fixed, not something lazy like EA reverting all instructions to default and calling it a fix.

(I also can't help but wonder if the gameplay you get when you reset the instructions to default is the unintended one, but surely it can't be...).

It definitely has to be fixed, otherwise what's the point of being able to set player instructions and tactics in the first place?


Personally I don't use it too much. I remember reading somewhere online awhile ago that it's better to leave instructions on default otherwise it just stagnates your own gameplay. The only instruction I set is the LCM to Free Roam. However that doesn't mean no one shouldn't use player instructions. If it's there, users should be allowed to use it. And it shouldn't be broken to the point that it makes the AI dumb.

[jrnlgrn]

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At the very least we have a documented bug report with video evidence of the issues and of Matt's fix on the EA forums if they choose to do anything it's on them but they can't say that they didn't know about the ai issues.

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[Shoelessross]

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How on Earth have ea managed to break the game with something that worked so well for the past few years lol. Just baffling to me. Thank you for all the work done. My copy should be here on Friday. Looking forward to it

[NorthLdN]

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Timestamp: 9/23/2019 --- As I mentioned earlier, we had a breakthrough tonight. However, it's not slider related, it's primarily the base of the gameplay related.



The working theory here is that EA coded the game under a squad/team sheet with default instructions set up. However, when they started pushing updates, or even releasing the game, they modified the default instructions. As a result, the game is coded and out of sync. This is why we see these terrible defensive issues:

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359952

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359951

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359953

As a result of these findings, we approached it similar to how I have approached PES in the past. Basically, using a rubberband type of logic where what I set for the user, the CPU responds. Instead of sliders, it is the player instructions. So, at the start of the match, I paused the game, went into my player instructions and click "X" to Reset All Players to Default. Yes, this does mean the player instructions revert to default, and custom instructions are no longer applicable. This is a workaround, and by no means, hopefully, a permanent solution.



Once this is done for the User side, simply play the game. Try to burst past the CPU and recreate the videos above. It will be much more difficult. You may need to experience this on Legendary or Ultimate vs using World Class or below because lower difficulties can have certain exploits, etc. At the time of this post, I spent more time using Legendary.



Before:





After:





One additional, and highly recommended, enhancement to this is one in which the user would need to have a second controller (console) or keyboard (PC), so the same can be done in the match for the CPU side. Simply switch sides, then navigate to the player instructions > "Reset All Players to Default". Once done, go back to switch sides back to no team selected.



That's it. That is the big find. It is proven on the twitch stream tonight, and has been exhausted to isolate certain triggers that may, or may not, be effective. I will say when both the User and CPU are Reset...it is by far one of the most fun experiences I've had with default FIFA since the prepatch beta. You will be able to tell instantly of the better lines, the more resistance, the entire environment of play rises to another level.



Please be aware that you must make the reset change to each gameplan (Ultra Defensive to Ultra Attacking) and reset those player instructions. The reason for this is because the CPU will instantly go back to their old defensive ways as you move/up the gameplans.



I know as I type this it is release day for FIFA 20, and maybe a patch will come with it. There has been a post made already by EA: https://fifaforums.easports.com/en/d...ameplay#latest which could mean the findings today are null and void. However, I will genuinely feel at peace that the issue has been solved from pure determination. It has been a brutal, multiple hours in testing everything related to gameplay sliders, and this was truly a last resort. Please enjoy FIFA 20. There is a lot of potential when the game is in-sync as a whole. I hope the provided workaround allows you to experience incredibly gameplay like I have.



Note: We will have a slider set as we learn of patch updates and if these issues are addressed outright versus using another workaround.

What an amazing (and frankly bizarre) find, thank you so much to Matt and friends who have been toiling away for hours on end playing the same matches over and over, u must have some pretty understanding partners!

Can I just confirm, for the user instructions can they just be changed once within the team sheets bit of the career mode, or does it need to be done before every single game?

Also, how bad does EA’s code need to be for this simple change to fundamentally change the whole game......


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[Hunkerdown]

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After reading this find by Matt. Glad I hadn't purchased yet . Fifa19 with matts settings playing great. Maybe fifa 20 after price drop, or after all the patches and Matt's tweaks. But I also have Pes2020 to play, which is outstanding. Goodluck with the neverending tweaking thanks to EA.

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[Matt10]

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What an amazing (and frankly bizarre) find, thank you so much to Matt and friends who have been toiling away for hours on end playing the same matches over and over, u must have some pretty understanding partners!

Can I just confirm, for the user instructions can they just be changed once within the team sheets bit of the career mode, or does it need to be done before every single game?

Also, how bad does EA’s code need to be for this simple change to fundamentally change the whole game......


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You can do it once even outside of the game, so to your squad/team sheet. Just remember we're using default sliders at the moment.

[Matt10]

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So to be clear, what you're saying is that to get the game playing well, remove all player instructions from both the user and CPU teams?

Damn. I love fiddling with player instructions. This sucks.

(If this is true, it should also have an effect on other game modes, like FUT. Anyone see this mentioned elsewhere? This should be posted on reddit for others to test if this is the case; it'd be a massive deal.)

I've only posted on career mode reddit. FUT may not be affected since it's user v user, so they may not have to worry about CPU behavior. If they complain, the better because then this issue gets a look.

Yes, modify both for user and CPU teams if you are able to. Technically you could adjust them in the squads/team sheets before starting a CM, but we still need to test that at length, which I'll do eventually here.

Just remember, and I need to put this on the OP, we're using default sliders. Legendary is primarily where it's been best, WC is playable, but needs a sprint discrepancy of 50/52 - I'll further confirm this when i get the chance though.

[UMiami]

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So what Hope do I have if I have one controller in CM?


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[ImmortalMindz]

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I've only posted on career mode reddit. FUT may not be affected since it's user v user, so they may not have to worry about CPU behavior. If they complain, the better because then this issue gets a look.

Yes, modify both for user and CPU teams if you are able to. Technically you could adjust them in the squads/team sheets before starting a CM, but we still need to test that at length, which I'll do eventually here.

Just remember, and I need to put this on the OP, we're using default sliders. Legendary is primarily where it's been best, WC is playable, but needs a sprint discrepancy of 50/52 - I'll further confirm this when i get the chance though.

I was speaking more to Squad Battles in FUT. It's pretty darn popular now, even with some of the biggest streamers, so if we can reach those folks, then EA might be more likely to listen.

[iRobsteR]

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So does this mean you must roll with the team’s default formation? Or can I change the formation of the team and set everyone to default instructions within the new formation?