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  • tilburylfc
    Rookie
    • Sep 2016
    • 11

    #226
    Re: PES 2017 Tactics

    The more I play master league, the more I don't like this game. Changing everyones tactics only masks fundamental flaws of the game. I can tell in the first 5 minutes of a game if I'm going to lose or win. Manual controls don't feel manual at all. It's a crap shoot whether my team actually uses the tactics I set. I could go on for a while. That rare game when everything works properly, it's amazing and so much fun. But for the most part, it feels like a chore. Gonna shelf it.

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    • Spora
      Rookie
      • Sep 2016
      • 56

      #227
      Re: PES 2017 Tactics

      I noticed one interesting thing while I was fooling around with formations. It seems like teams press higher when you set their forwards lower when out of possession. For example you can set 4-4-2 to have very high press if you set their strikers low, midfield high and compactness low.

      I guess setting strikers low puts midfielders closer to them and so the team is more aggressive or something like that.

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      • Tinker
        Rookie
        • Jan 2016
        • 68

        #228
        Re: PES 2017 Tactics

        Originally posted by Spora
        I noticed one interesting thing while I was fooling around with formations. It seems like teams press higher when you set their forwards lower when out of possession. For example you can set 4-4-2 to have very high press if you set their strikers low, midfield high and compactness low.

        I guess setting strikers low puts midfielders closer to them and so the team is more aggressive or something like that.
        Low compactness makes the team more spread out and cover larger teritory, which also means players reach their opponents with the ball faster. However, I now avoid going low (1-3) with compactness as I don't think it's realistic:

        1. Teams try to defend in a compact shape nowadays and I feel defending in a spread-out formation is against the logic of modern football. Maybe in earlier times, before the rise of pressing, it was more common (I can imagine Brazil 1970, let's say, applying very passive pressure covering their own half).

        2. Low compactness means not only wide, but also long defensive line. Hence when it is low, attackers of the defending team stay too far from their midfielders, and, as a side effect, provoke AI to play very directly to them as soon as it regains the ball. This adds to the very hectic/arcade pace.


        For now I'm playing with minimum compactness at 4. Will see how it goes.

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        • tc020791
          MVP
          • Sep 2010
          • 2012

          #229
          Re: PES 2017 Tactics

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          • RoyceDa59
            Chillin
            • Aug 2003
            • 3830

            #230
            Re: PES 2017 Tactics

            Juventus FC Ver. 1 & 2:

            Support Range: 4

            Defence Line: 7

            Compactness: 6

            Advanced Tactics: Hug the Line, Centering Targets & Counter Target on Higuain w/ V2

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            SSC Napoil Tactics:

            Support Range: 2

            Defence Line: 7

            Compactness: 8

            Advanced tactic: Wing Rotation


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            Real Madrid Tactics:

            Support Range: 3

            Defence Line: 9

            Compactness: 8

            Advance Tatics: Wing Rotation, Attacking FBs, Gegenpres & Counter Target on Ronaldo

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            Sorry these took a little long for me to upload I have many others but I did various testing on this to make sure they were well represented. Of course these are subjective so if you have any input on it please share. Next up are Sevilla, Valencia, Inter, Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Monaco.
            Last edited by RoyceDa59; 10-05-2016, 09:38 AM.

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            • papinho81
              Pro
              • Feb 2015
              • 673

              #231
              Re: PES 2017 Tactics

              I gave a shot at some of your english premier league tactics Krebstar and they are great! Just played a game me bournemouth against chelsea. It was fantastic, chelsea was really solid defensively, smartly counter attacking without the emergency feeling that exist with default tactics. They kept quite well the ball in the midfield too, trying to force my players to move out of their defensive position. Very importantly they offered a very hard opposition. I was a bit afraid that custom tactic will make cpu less dangerous but for your chelsea, it is clearly not the case. I lost this game 0-2, they were easily the better side on every compartment of the game, but they didn't rush to destroy me, they controlled the game. Let see what sample size says, but it really encouraged me to implement your others tactics.

              Great job!!!

              Edit: Loved Burnely too!!!
              I have a very poor quality video of the games recorded here:
              Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.
              Last edited by papinho81; 10-05-2016, 12:31 PM.

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              • Spora
                Rookie
                • Sep 2016
                • 56

                #232
                Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                I'm planning on editing some league to match Krebstar's tactics and then making bin files for the teams. But before I begin I would like to know if some of you are planning on sharing bin files for teams you have already edited so I won't edit teams that are already done.

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                • DirtyCobra
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 620

                  #233
                  Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                  Originally posted by RoyceDa59
                  Juventus FC Ver. 1 & 2:

                  Support Range: 4

                  Defence Line: 7

                  Compactness: 6

                  Advanced Tactics: Hug the Line, Centering Targets & Counter Target on Higuain w/ V2

                  Spoiler


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                  SSC Napoil Tactics:

                  Support Range: 2

                  Defence Line: 7

                  Compactness: 8

                  Advanced tactic: Wing Rotation


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                  Real Madrid Tactics:

                  Support Range: 3

                  Defence Line: 9

                  Compactness: 8

                  Advance Tatics: Wing Rotation, Attacking FBs, Gegenpres & Counter Target on Ronaldo

                  Spoiler


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                  Sorry these took a little long for me to upload I have many others but I did various testing on this to make sure they were well represented. Of course these are subjective so if you have any input on it please share. Next up are Sevilla, Valencia, Inter, Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Monaco.

                  Fantastic job. Great work. I can't wait to give them a try tonight.

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                  • curdsta
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 9

                    #234
                    Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                    Originally posted by RoyceDa59
                    Sorry these took a little long for me to upload I have many others but I did various testing on this to make sure they were well represented. Of course these are subjective so if you have any input on it please share. Next up are Sevilla, Valencia, Inter, Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Monaco.
                    Played a Versus match against Juve with them having your tactics and it was fantastic, even in a 10 minute match. They won 3-0 with ease (Superstar level) and played a composed game against me. They Played keep-ball too (but with purpose) for spells after going 2-0 up. Admittedly I was a bit rusty as was among my first matches of the evening, but it was class. Excellent work there, mate...


                    I actually really like this years game and my only concern was that such tactics applied to AI wouldn't see them play to them as it would make a great game even better. Seems they do play to any edited instruction and it could make this game something very special indeed in the far more competitive than Exhibition or Versus ML mode. If these tactics translate well into ML then someone might as well hook up this game to my veins.

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                    • Krebstar
                      is looking at stats.
                      • May 2005
                      • 12904

                      #235
                      Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                      Originally posted by RoyceDa59

                      Sorry these took a little long for me to upload I have many others but I did various testing on this to make sure they were well represented. Of course these are subjective so if you have any input on it please share. Next up are Sevilla, Valencia, Inter, Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Monaco.
                      Keep it up, sir! No worries about time, if you keep working on team specific tactics, I can keep slowly rolling on assigning and also figuring our generic.

                      Should have some more time this weekend to make serious progress at some point.

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                      • Tinker
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 68

                        #236
                        Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                        RoyceDa59,

                        Very, very well done tactics. Agree with every value.

                        My Juventus tactics is similar to yours. I think I just used support range at 3 and compactness at 7, but that's almost the same. I also had my attacking zone to Central - with Hug the touchline activated, SMF's still provide width, while Juve's CM's like to make forward runs from central positions. However it's just a perception, need to play more.

                        Hope to see your other team tactics soon!

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                        • papinho81
                          Pro
                          • Feb 2015
                          • 673

                          #237
                          Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                          Krebstar,

                          I have noticed that most (all?) your team tactics have their CF, SS, WF quite low on the team tactic sheet on possession. It doesn't seem to prevent those teams from attacking and my feeling is that it helps the team that have short pass tactics to not by pass the midfield to often.

                          Could you explain a bit your reasoning with these forwards rather low positioning?


                          On a different topic, I am trying to make Barcelona tactics, but I have hard time with it. They only seem to want to use proper tiki taka only when they have the lead and are on defensive level (blue bar). Otherwise their passing is too frantic and almost always in forward direction. The combination of aggressive pressing and gegenpress also resulted in the kind of crazy pressing we experienced in the demo. I have to say I am not sure if using conservative with gegenpress would change anything.
                          I will try to put picture later today of the less worst tactic I have come with for them.
                          Last edited by papinho81; 10-06-2016, 06:42 AM.

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                          • DirtyCobra
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 620

                            #238
                            Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                            Not sure if I read it in this forum or another. If I update all teams with these tactics and formations will the live update throw them out of whack? Or can I simply shutoff the live update and use my edited rosters with the updated tactics? Thanks in advance

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                            • RoyceDa59
                              Chillin
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 3830

                              #239
                              Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                              Originally posted by DirtyCobra
                              Not sure if I read it in this forum or another. If I update all teams with these tactics and formations will the live update throw them out of whack? Or can I simply shutoff the live update and use my edited rosters with the updated tactics? Thanks in advance
                              Live update will reset formations unfortunately just turn it off for now to keep your formations.

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                              • DirtyCobra
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 620

                                #240
                                Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                                Originally posted by RoyceDa59
                                Live update will reset formations unfortunately just turn it off for now to keep your formations.
                                Thanks..the problem is, every time I shut off the Live Update the next day I play an exhibition game they automatically turn on again....

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