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  • Kloppismyhomeboy
    Rookie
    • Sep 2016
    • 5

    #211
    Re: PES 2017 Tactics

    Originally posted by tc020791
    How do you guys manage to draw fouls and get the CPU to draw fouls? Seems like the CPU's tackles are perfect about 95%, as well as mine. Seeing very little fouls and a ton of tackles. Im a little new to the PES series, just got it last year for the first time, but I like it way more than Fifa. I just can't seem to get very many stoppages. Pretty much the only time I do is on a slide tackle, and thats still 50/50. Im playing on SuperStar by the way.
    This is my first PES year also. Not sure if you're coming from FIFA, but there are definitely some habits Gameplay wise that are hard to break. I've found a couple things.

    1 - the AI sometimes decides it's going to be aggressive and sometimes it's not. I haven't figured out the tactical trigger(maybe it's individual player traits). I've been having yellows, reds, and penalties the past two games after none the 3 or so before that.

    2. There's a certain art to drawing the AI into to challenge that I've only just begun to pick up. The sprint button is much different to FIFA and there's no shield so you have to be more active just dribbling sideways and backwards even in the box (like in real life) and then work on the timing of bursts or tricks when you get that opening towards goal. Obviously, this is much better with tricky wingers.

    I even noticed (in ML) that since one of my wingers has been particularly effective at assisting and creating, the AI had him very closely man marked and were very aggressive with him whenever he picked up the ball, fouling him quite a bit. So I started having him picking up the ball deeper in midfield and voila! space for my strikers in behind. I love the tactical back and forth. A little off topic but there you go.

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    • extremeskins04
      That's top class!
      • Aug 2010
      • 3868

      #212
      Re: PES 2017 Tactics

      This thread is brilliant. The gameplay was already great, but now with these tactics, the teams play to their strengths like in real life and they're also their weaknesses show on the pitch.

      Thanks again Krebs!

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      • Krebstar
        is looking at stats.
        • May 2005
        • 12904

        #213
        Re: PES 2017 Tactics

        Originally posted by Tinker
        Well done again, Krebs.

        Only one thing. I think you mixed up Leverkusen's tactics. Under Schmit they are probably the craziest-pressing team in Europe.

        Here they have very high possession stat (57%), however passing accuracy is very low in comparison (78%). In the meantime they don't play many long balls. What they do is press very high up and charge forward upon winning the ball in high areas. A kind of Klopp's Gegenpressing really.

        https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/36/S...yer-Leverkusen

        I would go with (among other things):

        Front-line pressing
        Def.line: 10

        Counter attack
        Short passing

        Gegnpressing
        Interesting—their stats don't align with them playing a counter attack, but I'm no guru at all, and I more than trust your input! I'll update their tactic to reflect this!

        This is why it's great to have input from others. At some point, I'll just whiff on a tactic, or be completely off.

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        • RoyceDa59
          Chillin
          • Aug 2003
          • 3830

          #214
          Re: PES 2017 Tactics

          Thought I would share this here for people who want accurate set piece takers for the Premier League teams.



          Spoiler
          Last edited by RoyceDa59; 09-30-2016, 01:45 PM.

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          • Krebstar
            is looking at stats.
            • May 2005
            • 12904

            #215
            Re: PES 2017 Tactics

            Originally posted by RoyceDa59
            Fantastic!

            Also, added your Lyon tactic to the spreadsheet!

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            • Krebstar
              is looking at stats.
              • May 2005
              • 12904

              #216
              Re: PES 2017 Tactics

              Originally posted by elprez98
              When i edit teams and apply formation changes, it will sometimes move players from their natural positions. Do I have to move them back or will the AI place the players in their best positions before a match?
              They will. In some early testing I was doing I had set up a custom league. The AI was using the tactic I gave them, but juggled their lineup before the matches.

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              • extremeskins04
                That's top class!
                • Aug 2010
                • 3868

                #217
                Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                Kreb quick question.

                I was dabbling about trying to see what the teams in the EPL and I go to skysports.com and noticed teams like Everton run the 4-3-3 from what that site says, but it shows in the spreadsheet they run a 4-2-3-1 A.

                Which formation is their current?

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                • Krebstar
                  is looking at stats.
                  • May 2005
                  • 12904

                  #218
                  Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                  Originally posted by extremeskins04
                  Kreb quick question.



                  I was dabbling about trying to see what the teams in the EPL and I go to skysports.com and noticed teams like Everton run the 4-3-3 from what that site says, but it shows in the spreadsheet they run a 4-2-3-1 A.



                  Which formation is their current?

                  According to WhoScored they've only played 4-3-3 once in the league, but 4-2-3-1 five times.

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                  • extremeskins04
                    That's top class!
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3868

                    #219
                    Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                    Originally posted by Krebstar
                    According to WhoScored they've only played 4-3-3 once in the league, but 4-2-3-1 five times.
                    Ok sweet, sorry I wasn't trying to contradict your work...just was curious about how they play their formations. I forgot that sometimes teams change depending on the opponent their facing in the match.

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                    • Krebstar
                      is looking at stats.
                      • May 2005
                      • 12904

                      #220
                      Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                      Originally posted by extremeskins04
                      Ok sweet, sorry I wasn't trying to contradict your work...just was curious about how they play their formations. I forgot that sometimes teams change depending on the opponent their facing in the match.
                      Ha, no worries! Looks like it was actually today that they played 4-3-3 for the first time this season, so they could change going forward—never know.

                      Throughout the spreadsheet there's teams that play 50/50, so they're currently set to either what they've played the most, or if even, what they've played the most of recently.

                      In other news...

                      Update!
                      Tactics Spreadsheet
                      PES 2017 AI/CPU Tactics

                      Started setting Italy tactics today. In the process, have created 10+ new generic tactics that will start to be filled out soon. Lots of variety in Italy—many new variations added!

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                      • saintric
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 16

                        #221
                        Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                        Sorry if its already been mentioned but you guys should use VERSUS to test with the because the CPU play like its a cup or ML game (Live update set to off of course)

                        Also it gives you a tactical break down and analysis after the game in a separate menu of your play style, what moves you use ect its brilliant


                        i wonder if you can let the cpu control your team and set it back to user before the final whistle that will make the report give you a nice detailed breakdown to read of what the cpu is doing
                        Last edited by saintric; 10-01-2016, 03:44 AM.

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                        • Krebstar
                          is looking at stats.
                          • May 2005
                          • 12904

                          #222
                          Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                          Update!
                          Tactics Spreadsheet
                          PES 2017 AI/CPU Tactics

                          Started to fill out Spain a bit! In the process also marked out a few more generic tactics to be created. There's going to be quite the bank of generic tactics, which is a great thing.

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                          • tc020791
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 2012

                            #223
                            Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                            Just wanted to pop in and say that your work is not going unnoticed. Though this thread has lost a little steam, the gameplay is still going oh so strong. Keep up the good work my friend. I think I speak for everyone when I say it's much appreciated and makes an already great game that much better.

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                            • tc020791
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 2012

                              #224
                              Re: PES 2017 Tactics

                              Also just a heads up, the link the Chievo's formations is backwards. When you click on In Possession, it actually brings up the Out of Possession formation.

                              Edit: Same exact formation, doesn't matter, my bad.

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                              • tc020791
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 2012

                                #225
                                Re: PES 2017 Tactics



                                I was Torino. Hart, played his heart out in this one, no pun intended. I had 2 yellows, the CPU had 3.
                                Last edited by tc020791; 10-03-2016, 10:32 AM.

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