PES 2017 Tactics

[Peji911]

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So to edit CPU teams fluid formation, you do so in the Edit section?

Does this carry over to ML?

[bredfan]

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So to edit CPU teams fluid formation, you do so in the Edit section?

Does this carry over to ML?

If you already started your ML, then no. Cosmetic edits will carry over, but not tactical ones. You'd need to start over.

Honestly, I wouldn't sweat it too much since so many things influence ML games that it may or may not be a waste of time to fiddle too much under the hood with any team but the one you want to use.

[PAPERNUT]

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BL8001, that is interesting. Let me add this concerning exhibition as I have only been playing in that mode for my testing on Top Player. My past two games were total opposites as I destroyed Stoke 4-0 and had the most shots in a game yet around 27. I then play a 2nd game and only had 3 shots at the half and only 9 total at the end. I feel sometimes I am getting too good for the level, but then I get humbled for a few games and feel like I am terrible. Nothing feels cheated though, so I am actually good with it, but interesting.

[BL8001]

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Yeah Paper, the more I see this in my play sessions the more I feel this adaptive AI is real.

I think to test the adaptive AI alone you would need to play the exact same matchup 4 or 5 times in a row.

I am getting some variables switching teams, but saying that, I do tend to match teams up based on team ratings. Maritimo and estoril were very even as were the other matchups.

But this was two nights in a row where I clearly felt the difficulty ramp up without changing the actual difficulty.

[RoyceDa59]

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Yeah, the more I see this in my play sessions the more I feel this adaptive AI is real.

I think to test the adaptive AI alone you would need to play the exact same matchup 4 or 5 times in a row.

I am getting some variables switching teams, but saying that, I do tend to match teams up based on team ratings. Maritimo and estoril were very even as were the other matchups.

But this was two nights in a row where I clearly felt the difficulty ramp up without changing the actual difficulty.

I noticed this in a game vs. Crystal Palace as I had them edited to Possession/Long Pass. While the game was still even they were sending Long Passes to Benteke and a few other players constantly. I thought, are they really going to do this all game, after scoring on a few set pieces and they were up 2-1 late in the match they started focusing on keeping possession and short passes at the back and maybe the occasional long ball. I had to go in and check to make sure they were still on long pass and they were.

[PAPERNUT]

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Yeah, the more I see this in my play sessions the more I feel this adaptive AI is real.

I think to test the adaptive AI alone you would need to play the exact same matchup 4 or 5 times in a row.

I agree. That is my plan actually as I am just testing games and tactics with Premier League teams till the MLS OF drops, so I will play similar match ups and try to get a decent sample to see what happens further. If it is adaptive AI or not, I like what is happening as this game is so good where it counts.

[DirtyCobra]

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Question for the tactic gurus here. Do you guys play the same formation every game ie 4-2-3-1 or do you switch it up based on your opponents formations and tactics? Or do you allow the computer to adjust to your formations and tactics? It seems this years version of PES is very very tactically sound and you must be tactically astute to out smart your opponent.

[BL8001]

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Question

When you go look at a team and go into the advanced instructions, where things like wing rotation and gegenpress can be assigned to the d-pad, no team has any assigned that I have come across.

Why?

These are the things you can setup to change on the fly during a match as a user. But can the CPU "access" them if nothing is there?

[RoyceDa59]

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Question

When you go look at a team and go into the advanced instructions, where things like wing rotation and gegenpress can be assigned to the d-pad, no team has any assigned that I have come across.

Why?

These are the things you can setup to change on the fly during a match as a user. But can the CPU "access" them if nothing is there?

Good question I'll have to test it, but sometimes it seems like the CPU use them without being assigned any.

[dcar87]

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Question

When you go look at a team and go into the advanced instructions, where things like wing rotation and gegenpress can be assigned to the d-pad, no team has any assigned that I have come across.

Why?

These are the things you can setup to change on the fly during a match as a user. But can the CPU "access" them if nothing is there?

I think the cpu has assigned tactics behind the scenes for every team. For example, Barcelona always uses the gegenpress and Real Madrid the overlapping fullbacks one. You can't see them but they're there no doubt.



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[PAPERNUT]

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Question

When you go look at a team and go into the advanced instructions, where things like wing rotation and gegenpress can be assigned to the d-pad, no team has any assigned that I have come across.

Why?

These are the things you can setup to change on the fly during a match as a user. But can the CPU "access" them if nothing is there?

I would like to know this as well. Also the (switch preset tactics) under support settings, when you set that to on for a Cpu team, what exactly is it switching the tactics to for that team? Is it just switching randomly to any of the other tactics apart from the ones you have preset or? Is it even switching anything for the CPU teams at all? I would think this setting may make teams play away from there strengths and turn them into just a team that is doing every tactic in the book depending on how it works.

[Krebstar]

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I would like to know this as well. Also the (switch preset tactics) under support settings, when you set that to on for a Cpu team, what exactly is it switching the tactics to for that team? Is it just switching randomly to any of the other tactics apart from the ones you have preset or? Is it even switching anything for the CPU teams at all? I would think this setting may make teams play away from there strengths and turn them into just a team that is doing every tactic in the book depending on how it works.

I'm pretty sure this is just for human teams. Those support settings only make sense for if the human is that team. The CPU will always auto switch their attack/defense levels, for example.

As far as I understand, anything under support settings only has an effect on if you're the human playing with that tactic.

I could be wrong, but anything else just doesn't seem to make sense. You can set it so substitutions are done automatically for you, for example. If you have that to off, the CPU will still make substitutions. If you have auto adjust attack/defense levels, the CPU will still adjust theirs when playing against them.

[PAPERNUT]

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That makes sense Krebstar. Now just wondering on the advanced instructions that may be part of team ID internally when it comes to created teams. For say an MLS created league, how would we get those teams playing like themselves apart from the basic off and def settings? Would they pick up whatever team you over write and their ID (if that is truly the case) or is that where entering the adv instructions manually for each team may come into play?

[Krebstar]

PES 2017 Tactics

That makes sense Krebstar. Now just wondering on the advanced instructions that may be part of team ID internally when it comes to created teams. For say an MLS created league, how would we get those teams playing like themselves apart from the basic off and def settings? Would they pick up whatever team you over write and their ID (if that is truly the case) or is that where entering the adv instructions manually for each team may come into play?

I believe this is where whatever advance instructions you set for them come into play.

However, I experienced something odd last night. Set up Arsenal's tactics, played against them in exhibition, but when I would switch sides to edit their tactic they were not using what I set and had turned on fluid formations. But at the start of the game they had the tactic I select set.

This hadn't happened in previous testing, but I'm definitely getting closer to giving up setting tactics for each side. The game is fun enough right now if you make the right changes on the user side tactics.

[PAPERNUT]

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I believe this is where whatever advance instructions you set for them come into play.

However, I experienced something odd last night. Set up Arsenal's tactics, played against them in exhibition, but when I would switch sides to edit their tactic they were not using what I set and had turned on fluid formations. But at the start of the game they had the tactic I select set.

Agree on the advanced instructions. As far as your issue last night, did you have it set to where you can select 3 different tactical settings for the CPU team or just one? Maybe when you switched over it went to one of the other tactics that were set different from the 1st one.

I tested the 3 method and the AI seems to change thru the 3 different tactics I set up to test for them, so that should be the key to make user created teams play how we would want them to play.