PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

Video I made last night of Chelsea vs West Ham using Papinho tactics (with a couple of modifications). The start of the video shows what player cards and styles I gave to both teams. I played as Chelsea in 1st half and West Ham in 2nd. Really fun game. Tons of battle in the midfield and great chances. Feels more PES 6 because it is really fast but still tactical. By giving players Marking ability you have way less time on the ball so you have to think faster and making the perfect pass becomes more difficult (and rewarding). Check it out and let me know what you think.

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[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

Thnks both , this evening i answer you (hope with some video, now i try to put something in upload, perhaps Roma ), now i have to work (real job, baker or better pastry cook ) :P

[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

It's actually great to know. I'm not using Pes Galaxy, being completely in love with VirtuaRED mod's pitches, so I haven't tried Roma yet. Are you maybe going to post video of those other team tactics?

Though from what I see, the trick is to (from already awesome Papinho's and Royce's tactics) move midfield line backwards, defenders upwards, as well as to assign correct playing styles.

Then again, have you tested 4-2-3-1? If so, do you move only two defensive midfielders close to defenders, or also wide midfielders at some degree? Or should they be left high and wide?

Take a look https://www.evo-web.co.uk/threads/mo...b-added.77141/
And i need a favour from you Tinker, can you put the screen about CL and EL teams and also CL knockouts from your ML (Virtua Red), I would like to see if the screen posted from the maker is real or is just maked moving teams in tournament mode (modding CL partecipations, but not inside the ML)
Thnks in advance

[Tinker]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

I don't play ML, but I could quickly "start" it at home to see if it's true

[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

It's actually great to know. I'm not using Pes Galaxy, being completely in love with VirtuaRED mod's pitches, so I haven't tried Roma yet. Are you maybe going to post video of those other team tactics?

Though from what I see, the trick is to (from already awesome Papinho's and Royce's tactics) move midfield line backwards, defenders upwards, as well as to assign correct playing styles.

Then again, have you tested 4-2-3-1? If so, do you move only two defensive midfielders close to defenders, or also wide midfielders at some degree? Or should they be left high and wide?

Lowered and wide in non possession and a little more centered and advanced in In possession.

[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

Anyway the kickoff positions are also important to set the starting position of all the movement. The kickoff is the starting position and the other two are relative to IP e OP (with exceptions of strange behavior of WB)

[jamesbeaver]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

@dmendenhal_9

That looked entertaining to me. I liked the fact that they were closing you down quick.

Carroll heading in the winner is pretty realistic.

[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

Video I made last night of Chelsea vs West Ham using Papinho tactics (with a couple of modifications). The start of the video shows what player cards and styles I gave to both teams. I played as Chelsea in 1st half and West Ham in 2nd. Really fun game. Tons of battle in the midfield and great chances. Feels more PES 6 because it is really fast but still tactical. By giving players Marking ability you have way less time on the ball so you have to think faster and making the perfect pass becomes more difficult (and rewarding). Check it out and let me know what you think.

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I like your video, but how you can see in this screen you have 4 player inside the box, too much IMO.



The starting positions are too advanced (ever IMO ) i setted my MC in all three scheme before the mid line drawed inside the game in game planning, only the AM over that line (talking about central midfileder).
Give me a couple of hours to upload a well explained video.

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

I like your video, but how you can see in this screen you have 4 player inside the box, too much IMO.



The starting positions are too advanced (ever IMO ) i setted my MC in all three scheme before the mid line drawed inside the game in game planning, only the AM over that line (talking about central midfileder).
Give me a couple of hours to upload a well explained video.

Yeah, these slight changes are all subjective. I think we have a good base for how formations should work I just wanted to show how important changing player cards is to get the game to play well.

p.s. a screenshot to show that Chelsea do get quite a few men forward when they attack. haha.

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[kilay]

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Liverpool scheme and some minutes aganist Roma

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[kilay]

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15 minutes of Napoli Liverpool
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[kilay]

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Juventus-Leicester full match, speed 0
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[kilay]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

This pack is to use only with zlac tools

Ok, really thnks to incas36 (about Serie B tacts)
HERE my tacts of Premier League teams and some others (see in the quote below), all of them are based on the starting scheme from Papinho and Royce tacts (thanks)
The changes in my starting post about Player Style positon, Ability and position IMO are required to match the real player's behaviors.

This pack is to use only with zlac tools (see here and follow the intructions) there is the importer folder and the id.txt (you have to rearrange it to match the right ID of your EDIT)
Remember to change ID for fake team (like Bayern Munich), could be different from mine.
I'm waiting feedback

317, 317-ASCOLI PICCHIO FC 1898.PES2017_tactics
319, 319-FC BARI 1908.PES2017_tactics
331, 331-TERNANA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
337, 337-VICENZA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
336, 336-HELLAS VERONA.PES2017_tactics
4234, 4234-FROSINONE CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
4076, 4076-US LATINA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
2377, 2377-NOVARA CALCIO 1908.PES2017_tactics
4240, 4240-AC PERUGIA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
4241, 4241-AC PISA 1909.PES2017_tactics
2612, 2612-FC PRO VERCELLI 1892.PES2017_tactics
4244, 4244-US SALERNITANA 1919.PES2017_tactics
4923, 4923-SPAL FERRARA.PES2017_tactics
1600, 1600-SPEZIA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
4077, 4077-TRAPANI CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
4230, 4230-VIRTUS ENTELLA.PES2017_tactics
4141, 4141-AS AVELLINO 1912.PES2017_tactics
4232, 4232-BENEVENTO CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
187, 187-BRESCIA CALCIO.PES2017_tactics
4075, 4075-FC CARPI 1909.PES2017_tactics
1362, 1362-AC CESENA.PES2017_tactics
1920, 1920-AS CITTADELLA.PES2017_tactics
100, 100-MANCHESTER UNITED.PES2017_tactics
101, 101-ARSENAL FC.PES2017_tactics
103, 103-LIVERPOOL FC.PES2017_tactics
105, 105-WEST HAM UNITED.PES2017_tactics
108, 108-FC BARCELONA.PES2017_tactics
120, 120-JUVENTUS FC.PES2017_tactics
125, 125-AS ROMA.PES2017_tactics
126, 126-BORUSSIA DORTMUND.PES2017_tactics
128, 128-BAYER 04 LEVERKUSEN.PES2017_tactics
173, 173-MANCHESTER CITY.PES2017_tactics
177, 177-EVERTON FC.PES2017_tactics
179, 179-TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR.PES2017_tactics
204, 204-LEICESTER CITY.PES2017_tactics
205, 205-MIDDLESBROUGH FC.PES2017_tactics
207, 207-SOUTHAMPTON FC.PES2017_tactics
327, 327-SSC NAPOLI.PES2017_tactics
378, 378-BURNLEY FC.PES2017_tactics
382, 382-CRYSTAL PALACE FC.PES2017_tactics
395, 395-STOKE CITY.PES2017_tactics
396, 396-AFC SUNDERLAND.PES2017_tactics
398, 398-WATFORD FC.PES2017_tactics
399, 399-WEST BROMWICH ALBION.PES2017_tactics
1589, 1589-HULL CITY FC.PES2017_tactics
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2346, 2346-FC BAYERN MÜNCHEN.PES2017_tactics
102, 102-CHELSEA FC.PES2017_tactics

[papinho81]

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I was surfing on the net to try finding additional information about "playing style" cards and I came across this very interesting video:

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The video do not really teach us anything about what the various cards do. BUT it explains that any particular playing style card is activated only when the player is assigned to a "compatible position" in the team formation (kick off, In poss, Out poss). It might not be new to most of you but I was personally not aware about that.

For example, the Creative Playmaker style is activated if the player is given a SS or a ST role in the team formation. If you make Messi a right winger in the in poss formation of Barcelona, is creative playmaker style will be inactivated. Go to the barca formation and open its Player info, Creative Playmaker will be in grayish on the screen indicating that the style is inactive. Change him into a SS then the playying style will appear in light whight on the screen indicating it has been activated.

This could possibly (in part) explain why the offensive full back when set as SMF In poss, works better with the box-to-box playing style rather than with the offensive fullbacks (that will be deactivated).

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Player Style, Preferred Position,Player Ability and Tactical Advice

I was surfing on the net to try finding additional information about "playing style" cards and I came across this very interesting video:

Spoiler

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0xzUSiT8PVw" allowfullscreen="" height="315" frameborder="0" width="560"></iframe>

The video do not really teach us anything about what the various cards do. BUT it explains that any particular playing style card is activated only when the player is assigned to a "compatible position" in the team formation (kick off, In poss, Out poss). It might not be new to most of you but I was personally not aware about that.

For example, the Creative Playmaker style is activated if the player is given a SS or a ST role in the team formation. If you make Messi a right winger in the in poss formation of Barcelona, is creative playmaker style will be inactivated. Go to the barca formation and open its Player info, Creative Playmaker will be in grayish on the screen indicating that the style is inactive. Change him into a SS then the playying style will appear in light whight on the screen indicating it has been activated.

This could possibly (in part) explain why the offensive full back when set as SMF In poss, works better with the box-to-box playing style rather than with the offensive fullbacks (that will be deactivated).

When I edit player cards I usually take a picture of the in possession formation that I can reference so I know what Player Styles to give to them. Most of the player styles have to do with offense other than a couple. Also, sometimes there are no styles that apply to that certain player so I just leave it blank as I don't want to force them to play in a style they wouldn't normally.