***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[Adam OUFC]

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Is it just me whose picked up on the irony of Wenger appealing for "bad" tackles to be stamped out, yet the late part of the 90's and early 00's his midfield wast Patrick Vieira, Emmanuel Petit and Gilles Grimandi, three of the "dirtiest" players to grace the English game.

Also, since Wenger has been in England Arsenal have the 3rd highest amount of red cards in the top flight.

Wenger should be th emost loved and enamoured manager in the country, yet his hypocricy makes him arguably the most hated.

[Salhus]

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Is it just me whose picked up on the irony of Wenger appealing for "bad" tackles to be stamped out, yet the late part of the 90's and early 00's his midfield wast Patrick Vieira, Emmanuel Petit and Gilles Grimandi, three of the "dirtiest" players to grace the English game.

Also, since Wenger has been in England Arsenal have the 3rd highest amount of red cards in the top flight.

Wenger should be th emost loved and enamoured manager in the country, yet his hypocricy makes him arguably the most hated.

Ha, your prolly gonna get torn up in here.

Wenger isn't talking about 10 years ago. He's talking about now. And 2 broken legs in the past 2 years is bad. Arsenal have been on the wrong side of dirty tackles lately. I think it's the slow pissed off English defenders who can't keep up with their "style".

Dirty is the last word I would use to describe todays Arsenal squad.

[Adam OUFC]

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I agree 100%, now they play great football and th elast word to describe them as is "dirty".

The injuries to Eduardo and Ramsey were horrific, but neither were deliberate fouls, they were genuine attempts for th eball, but the skill of both players' was there downfall. For the record, i agree with Wenger that refs should clamp down and be stricter with cards, just merely noting the irony from his teams that used to be full of the same players he now ridicules and hates.

[Laffer]

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Is it just me whose picked up on the irony of Wenger appealing for "bad" tackles to be stamped out, yet the late part of the 90's and early 00's his midfield wast Patrick Vieira, Emmanuel Petit and Gilles Grimandi, three of the "dirtiest" players to grace the English game.

Also, since Wenger has been in England Arsenal have the 3rd highest amount of red cards in the top flight.

Wenger should be th emost loved and enamoured manager in the country, yet his hypocricy makes him arguably the most hated.

Imma go ahead and say it- you are probably a racist.

[ZM Punk]

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Imma go ahead and say it- you are probably a racist.

Nah, he makes a good point. Viera and company were pretty physical players to say the least. Those guys never broke anyones leg though. That is what I think he has a problem with. Most teams go in harder on Arsenal than other teams trying to rough them up.

If Pat was still here, I guarantee the sort of crap that these teams try to pull wouldn't be happening nearly as much.

[rsnomar05]

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Imma go ahead and say it- you are probably a racist.

Seriously? The guy says one thing critical about Arsenal, and you have to offensively insult him? Not only was he not saying anything remotely racist, but he wasn't attacking any other posters, trolling, or doing anything wrong. Laffer, I'm not a mod, but I suggest you apologize and consider editing that post.

[Laffer]

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Seriously? The guy says one thing critical about Arsenal, and you have to offensively insult him? Not only was he not saying anything remotely racist, but he wasn't attacking any other posters, trolling, or doing anything wrong. Laffer, I'm not a mod, but I suggest you apologize and consider editing that post.

My comment was tongue in cheek. But my comment stems from the fact that he mentioned 3 frenchmen as "dirty" while he defends Shawcross and Martin Taylor b/c they were going for the ball? Is it a coincidence that those of those guys are English? Is he xenophobic-probably not. But his comments here clearly show an anti-french, pro-english slant.

Also today's game- ugh.

[Adam OUFC]

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Xenophobic, racist....woah woah, hold the phone... seems a bit drastic, for the record Martin Taylor is Northern Irish, and i defened them because they were victmised in the media, whilst players who did similar sorts of tackles on regular occasions were rewarded with nerw contracts and bonuses.

It was meant to be a talking point, no digs at Arsenal, just noted the irony and hypocricy of Wenger, and noting with his style of football and youthful teams, he should be revered not despised.

Isn't this a forum, your allowed to have opinions, just because it's not buttering up and agreeing with everything fed to the public from anything Arsenal related.

Also, por-english.....one half of my family is Welsh, and i firmly pledge my alleigance to the Welsh national team, so naturally there's a rivalry with England, i think the guy who played the race card should look into what i'm saying before getting defensive, by all means, argure Wenger's case, i'd love to hear it, and debate it, but comments like that are surely unnecessary.

[Krebstar]

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Xenophobic, racist....woah woah, hold the phone... seems a bit drastic, for the record Martin Taylor is Northern Irish, and i defened them because they were victmised in the media, whilst players who did similar sorts of tackles on regular occasions were rewarded with nerw contracts and bonuses.

It was meant to be a talking point, no digs at Arsenal, just noted the irony and hypocricy of Wenger, and noting with his style of football and youthful teams, he should be revered not despised.

Isn't this a forum, your allowed to have opinions, just because it's not buttering up and agreeing with everything fed to the public from anything Arsenal related.

Also, por-english.....one half of my family is Welsh, and i firmly pledge my alleigance to the Welsh national team, so naturally there's a rivalry with England, i think the guy who played the race card should look into what i'm saying before getting defensive, by all means, argure Wenger's case, i'd love to hear it, and debate it, but comments like that are surely unnecessary.

Please don't tell me you think Ryan Shawcross was made out to be a villain by the media...

[ZM Punk]

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Xenophobic, racist....woah woah, hold the phone... seems a bit drastic, for the record Martin Taylor is Northern Irish, and i defened them because they were victmised in the media, whilst players who did similar sorts of tackles on regular occasions were rewarded with nerw contracts and bonuses.

It was meant to be a talking point, no digs at Arsenal, just noted the irony and hypocricy of Wenger, and noting with his style of football and youthful teams, he should be revered not despised.

Isn't this a forum, your allowed to have opinions, just because it's not buttering up and agreeing with everything fed to the public from anything Arsenal related.

Also, por-english.....one half of my family is Welsh, and i firmly pledge my alleigance to the Welsh national team, so naturally there's a rivalry with England, i think the guy who played the race card should look into what i'm saying before getting defensive, by all means, argure Wenger's case, i'd love to hear it, and debate it, but comments like that are surely unnecessary.

If anything Shawcross was made the victim by the English media. Get out of here with that bull**** about the media being on Arsenal's side.

That is complete and utter crap and you know it.

[rsnomar05]

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Also today's game- ugh.

Arseblog poses an interesting question today: Would you put Szczesny or Mannone in net now over Almunia or Fabianski and their repeated howlers?

I would not have a 20 year old make his league debut against Chelsea, but if I were Wenger and Almunia has a bad game against the Blues, I think I would make the change.

[Krebstar]

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Arseblog poses an interesting question today: Would you put Szczesny or Mannone in net now over Almunia or Fabianski and their repeated howlers?

I would not have a 20 year old make his league debut against Chelsea, but if I were Wenger and Almunia has a bad game against the Blues, I think I would make the change.

I don't think we can risk putting in Almunia or Fabianski against Chelsea. Yes, I said risk one of them. I'd take Szczesny or Mannone at this point. A new keeper in January is an absolute must right now.

[ImTellinTim]

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How many transfer windows in a row have you guys been calling for a keeper now?

[goonertaff]

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How many transfer windows in a row have you guys been calling for a keeper now?

um 86 i think possible 87 transfer windows in a row

[goonertaff]

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Xenophobic, racist....woah woah, hold the phone... seems a bit drastic, for the record Martin Taylor is Northern Irish, and i defened them because they were victmised in the media, whilst players who did similar sorts of tackles on regular occasions were rewarded with nerw contracts and bonuses.

It was meant to be a talking point, no digs at Arsenal, just noted the irony and hypocricy of Wenger, and noting with his style of football and youthful teams, he should be revered not despised.

Isn't this a forum, your allowed to have opinions, just because it's not buttering up and agreeing with everything fed to the public from anything Arsenal related.

Also, por-english.....one half of my family is Welsh, and i firmly pledge my alleigance to the Welsh national team, so naturally there's a rivalry with England, i think the guy who played the race card should look into what i'm saying before getting defensive, by all means, argure Wenger's case, i'd love to hear it, and debate it, but comments like that are surely unnecessary.

where I totally agree with you that to bandy words such as "Xenophobic" about is a touch excessive, I think its a little nieve to pop onto an Arsenal Forum and suggest that two poor innocents have been picked on by the media while several french players have been , in your words rewarded with new contracts. Then when you are shot at by the masses to then claim, your desire for fair, frank and honest debate, pull the other one mate its got bells on

both the tackles made by our plucky british players were reckless and dangerous and resulted in terrible injuries, however intent is almost impossible to prove. I would agree however that Viera Gerrard Essian and Gallas have also commited truely horendous challanges but we dont discuss them in length because there wasn't a serious injury to rattle the sabers at.

As to your assertion to arsenal being dirty they were 4th in the fair play league last year and in order 7th 9th and 3rd the 3 previous seasons Stats are a wonderful thing and we can use them how we please to make any point we want. I can hand on heart tell you that Leeds United are the dirtiest team to ever play Football as long as you at only the 1970's- go figure

So in summery im all for open debate and in fact almost every one on the board is too. Perhaps a less agressive starting point might serve you well, however if your intent is to cause trouble may I suggest the Chelsea/ManUre/totingscum board- oh wait they dont have one here