***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[Brahvocado]

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I think he is definately going to be gone. I was reading somewhere that they are trying to hire a real general manager or football director or whatever they call it over there. Hell i wouldn't even mind if wenger took that position, we could argue that he would still be a penny pincher, but I really think other managers could do more with his teams then he currently can.

He's not a penny pincher and he never has been. He paid quite handsomely for the boatload of foreigners that helped win you guys all those trophies in the beginning of his tenure.

Your board are the penny pinchers, and have been roughly 80% of your problem in the last decade. Wenger was a serial-winner when he arrived, took you guys to the promised land several times while also revolutionizing the game, and then your board turned him into a yes-man while giving him virtually no resources at all (compared to the other teams at Arsenal's level) and happily let him take all the blame for anything that goes wrong.

The board have created an atmosphere where making lots of money, and just being in European competition (and being in London) is the ultimate goal. They don't actually care how well you guys do as long as they keep making money and getting lots of exposure.

Also, the players you have either kind of suck and don't belong on a top team (Coquelin, Ramsey, Ox, Gabriel, Ospina, Mustafi, Perez) or are wildly overrated (Alexis). Alexis has the right mentality, but the wrong application. He doesn't even run as much as his reputation suggests, "lazy" Ozil outruns him constantly, he's also kind of a massive douche. A guy like that can be toxic to a locker room, which is part of the reason Barcelona was happy to let him go (people forget this quite often).

You guys need a pretty big overhaul, starting with the players. It's probably time for Wenger to go, but he's been pretty hard-done by for quite some time now.

It's pretty unfair to him that some new manager will likely come in and be allowed to spend a bunch of money while clearing out all the deadwood, something that I bet you Wenger has been dying to do for some time now.

[JHedges2]

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^^^ interesting approach...

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[elprez98]

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He's not a penny pincher and he never has been. He paid quite handsomely for the boatload of foreigners that helped win you guys all those trophies in the beginning of his tenure.

Your board are the penny pinchers, and have been roughly 80% of your problem in the last decade. Wenger was a serial-winner when he arrived, took you guys to the promised land several times while also revolutionizing the game, and then your board turned him into a yes-man while giving him virtually no resources at all (compared to the other teams at Arsenal's level) and happily let him take all the blame for anything that goes wrong.

The board have created an atmosphere where making lots of money, and just being in European competition (and being in London) is the ultimate goal. They don't actually care how well you guys do as long as they keep making money and getting lots of exposure.

Also, the players you have either kind of suck and don't belong on a top team (Coquelin, Ramsey, Ox, Gabriel, Ospina, Mustafi, Perez) or are wildly overrated (Alexis). Alexis has the right mentality, but the wrong application. He doesn't even run as much as his reputation suggests, "lazy" Ozil outruns him constantly, he's also kind of a massive douche. A guy like that can be toxic to a locker room, which is part of the reason Barcelona was happy to let him go (people forget this quite often).

You guys need a pretty big overhaul, starting with the players. It's probably time for Wenger to go, but he's been pretty hard-done by for quite some time now.

It's pretty unfair to him that some new manager will likely come in and be allowed to spend a bunch of money while clearing out all the deadwood, something that I bet you Wenger has been dying to do for some time now.

Should be interesting to see how he does with the reigns back off at PSG.

[GreenLightning]

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Well either the manager has lost the locker room as they say or the players just aren't up to snuff. I tend to think it's a bit of both. Needless to say this team as currently constructed is really no better than a perennial Europa League entry. So either the team gets blown up or they get a new manager. Or both.

[Suntan Superman]

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He's not a penny pincher and he never has been. He paid quite handsomely for the boatload of foreigners that helped win you guys all those trophies in the beginning of his tenure.

Your board are the penny pinchers, and have been roughly 80% of your problem in the last decade. Wenger was a serial-winner when he arrived, took you guys to the promised land several times while also revolutionizing the game, and then your board turned him into a yes-man while giving him virtually no resources at all (compared to the other teams at Arsenal's level) and happily let him take all the blame for anything that goes wrong.

The board have created an atmosphere where making lots of money, and just being in European competition (and being in London) is the ultimate goal. They don't actually care how well you guys do as long as they keep making money and getting lots of exposure.

Also, the players you have either kind of suck and don't belong on a top team (Coquelin, Ramsey, Ox, Gabriel, Ospina, Mustafi, Perez) or are wildly overrated (Alexis). Alexis has the right mentality, but the wrong application. He doesn't even run as much as his reputation suggests, "lazy" Ozil outruns him constantly, he's also kind of a massive douche. A guy like that can be toxic to a locker room, which is part of the reason Barcelona was happy to let him go (people forget this quite often).

You guys need a pretty big overhaul, starting with the players. It's probably time for Wenger to go, but he's been pretty hard-done by for quite some time now.

It's pretty unfair to him that some new manager will likely come in and be allowed to spend a bunch of money while clearing out all the deadwood, something that I bet you Wenger has been dying to do for some time now.

I don't disagree with most of what you said, The Emirates years were awkward years all around, but there's this part of me that believes Wenger really wants to do it with these players, Coq, Ox, Walcott, etc. I think Wenger himself is a bit too sentimental for his own good.

[Krebstar]

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The ownership and the board are just as much to blame as Arsene, but not more than Arsene. I say that because the ownership and the board are what has let Arsene take the club in the direction which he has. Do they care about profits? Of course. Would they like to win, therefore further establishing their global brand and increase profits? Of course. Will this happen by falling out of the CL this season, and possibly next season? Nope.

Unless he reveals it all whenever he leaves (I doubt he'll reveal anything), I still believe his decisions are driving the club. He wants to win with the players he has, and I believe he could spend more if he wanted.

I don't believe for a second that this is a manager who has been hung out to dry by the board—this man pretty much runs that club. He had a say in many parts of the stadium, he runs every training session himself, he helped design the damn changing rooms, and he even controls the measurement of the damn grass.

I think it's his philosophical/financial beliefs that have hurt the club in the transfer market, not the boards. If Arsene Wenger wants to buy a player at Arsenal, the club will give him the money to do it. I don't think he wants to win that way, though (the way everyone else wins), and feels the need to prove himself by going against the time in which he lives and manages in.

I think the reason we'll see big changes in terms of personal once Arene leaves is not because the board suddenly gives the new manager permission to do what Arsene could not—it'll be a manager doing what the board has always allowed the manager to do.

[Brahvocado]

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That's fair Kreb.

I do think that it's probably time for a change, but I also think the board doesn't get nearly enough of the blame.

We get has changed a lot over the years, and imo that's directly the fault of the board for changing the atmosphere of the club, which slowly chipped away at Wenger over the last decade.

Eventually, Wenger became exactly what the board wanted him to become.

[Krebstar]

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Sometimes I remember that Cech was the only significant signing we made in the Summer of 2015, and then I realize that Leicester City won the 15/16 season...and then I stare blankly at the wall for five to ten minutes.

Tuesday thoughts.

[Brahvocado]

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You guys need to give him back

[KG]

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From an outside perspective, I hear so much about Wenger being let go that I rarely see/read anything about who the ideal replacements are. I'm curious to see how attractive the position is and what kind of names would start floating around. I'd be curious to hear who you guys would like/think you'll end up with.

I could see you going after a Koeman. Attractive style, Barcelona roots, knows the league and would be a stepping stone in terms of expectations.

[Brahvocado]

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Feel like they will go after Tuchel

[Suntan Superman]

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Feel like they will go after Tuchel

He seems to be the one the papers are talking about, so it seems likely.

[fearwhatnow]

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From an outside perspective, I hear so much about Wenger being let go that I rarely see/read anything about who the ideal replacements are. I'm curious to see how attractive the position is and what kind of names would start floating around. I'd be curious to hear who you guys would like/think you'll end up with.

I could see you going after a Koeman. Attractive style, Barcelona roots, knows the league and would be a stepping stone in terms of expectations.

Ranieri! Everyone in UK loves him right now, all the pundits and other teams fans say he's a tactical magician, he even led a bunch of amateurs to the EPL trophy.

[Krebstar]

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From an outside perspective, I hear so much about Wenger being let go that I rarely see/read anything about who the ideal replacements are. I'm curious to see how attractive the position is and what kind of names would start floating around. I'd be curious to hear who you guys would like/think you'll end up with.

I could see you going after a Koeman. Attractive style, Barcelona roots, knows the league and would be a stepping stone in terms of expectations.

Honestly, it's tough to even throw names out for me, for the same reason you said—I'm not sure how attractive the position will actually be. The club has the resources to win the CL—not now, but if they invest properly, they have the financial means to do so.

In terms of who we need to come in, the most logical thing I've always seen is that we need a steady hand of sorts, and someone with years of experience to come in for a few years and help with the transition. Someone like Ancelotti would be perfect, for example.

Who will it actually be? Tuchel seems like he'd be a real possibility. Regardless, I'm 95% certain Arsene is staying, and he and the club are waiting for the right moment to announce and "sell it", which means a league win.

[fugazi]

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Regardless, they will need to bring in more players like Sanchez and fewer players like Giroud...

...not that Giroud is lousy, but rather the team needs a some A+ options in attack...they have had squads with great B+ attackers, but it's not enough.

Welbeck and Giroud? Never was going to amount to much...Walcott hitting a ceiling, AOC might not pan out. ...Sanchez was a great signing, Ozil is a nice fit...

It's hard to look at their list of midfielders and defenders and think they're horrible...it's the attacking options, and has been for a while.

That they have consistently qualified for the Champions League is either or both A) a testament to Wenger/Arsenal overachieving and/or B) a statement about the quality of EPL football beneath, say, the "bigger" clubs.