2023–2024 English Football Thread

[ImTellinTim]

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Arsenal had about 4 corners at the end where they just kicked it at the first defender. Brilliant.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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Jeremy Doku with a goal and 4 assists. Just the 8th player in PL history to record 4 in a match.

[Brahvocado]

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Arsenal were somehow simultaneously completely robbed and didn’t deserve to win.

Sucks cause the refs being terrible is the main talking point instead of how they could have played another 3 hours without arsenal scoring a goal.

Sick of these refs though man something has to change.

[Krebstar]

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Can’t help but bring this up, also—due to the unnatural state of Joelinton’s arms pushing Gabriel forward, he also controlled the ball with his arms.

That’s Joelinton, who starts for Newcastle with the purpose of running around and fouling opposition players (one of many).

[Krebstar]

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Sick of these refs though man something has to change.

Like the two VAR officials yesterday who have worked in the Saudi league?

Yeah, unlikely anything changes.

[jb12780]

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Arsenal were absolute **** yesterday, but the VAR process was a joke.

Really getting numb to these decisions being blatantly incorrect, let alone the fact that oil money can now buy you influence with refs it seems.

Might just stick to watching golf. Oh wait!!! That’s owned by the Saudi PIF now too!!


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[Brahvocado]

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Biggest issues in that game imo are the missed reds.

Legitimately, the goal has a foul BUT, and I’m sure I’ll be called biased here, that’s the risk and reward part of how Gabriel plays. He dives more than any defender I’ve seen in a while, arsenal benefit from the way he plays every game. He goes to ground very easily because it works, and this time it didn’t. He’s an elite athlete and I’ve seen him do some incredible ****, Joelinton is NOT stronger than him. That’s sort of the way I see the goal, Arsenal have gotten away with countless near misses due to Gabriel throwing himself to the ground and the ref buying it.

The Guimares elbow and Haevertz incidents are what is unacceptable to me (aside from the general way that Newcastle are allowed to play).

Elbow is the easiest violent conduct call you could make, and Haevertz is probably an inch from snapping Longstaffs leg.

I know Kreb and I have talked about this a LOT in here, but it really does seem like multiple people are going to have to get seriously injured before major changes happen. Which is insane.

[KG]

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All the shenanigans overshadowed a pretty bad game quality-wise. At least when Liverpool got hosed by Spurs it was entertaining [emoji23]


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[KG]

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And here it comes… what happens when a goal is scored during a VAR check


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[ImTellinTim]

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Luton played a tough game. Deserved that draw

[Krebstar]

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Legitimately, the goal has a foul BUT, and I’m sure I’ll be called biased here, that’s the risk and reward part of how Gabriel plays. He dives more than any defender I’ve seen in a while, arsenal benefit from the way he plays every game.

He's literally is pushing his neck and head forward—that's why he can't head the ball (clear or at least not in the path of Gordon's feet, which is what Joelinton's arms did). It's an obvious foul and I don't care how strong or elite you are, you're not being unaffected by Joelinton pushing your neck and head forward WHILE he's jumping and you're already moving forward to win a header.

The below image is clear and obvious—and quite damning.

Also, I'm so tired of stupidity and ineptness being used an excuse. The Mike Dean admission regarding not wanting to embarrass his mate should put an end to that. Decisions are being made based on multiple factors, it seems—not only stupidity.

I know Kreb and I have talked about this a LOT in here, but it really does seem like multiple people are going to have to get seriously injured before major changes happen. Which is insane.

I know Kai is no stranger to fouls (third most last year) but to me, it's far more unlikely he makes that challenge if Newcastle hadn't already been increasing physicality and specifically targeting Saka (and it going unpunished). That's the kind of challenge that often happens because a player thinks "Alright, well if they're doing it..." or something along those lines.

What went surprisingly unmentioned is that before the Bruno elbow, he ran about ten yards straight to Kai and jumped in two footed trying to clean him out, but Kai jumped over him. It was only then that Bruno charged down Jorginho. He was out for blood, and honestly if he did it to say...Xhaka, the next change Xhaka had he would've went in two footed on Bruno.

My point is, yep, it just builds and builds and with every lack of action against a team like Newcastle and allowing them to do what they do, it only heightens the chance of **** getting out of control.

[Brahvocado]

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I mean I agree for the most part, but Kai fouls a LOT. He makes that foul regardless of the game, that’s just how he plays. His main role at Chelsea was wind-up merchant and he does that very well. He does make a lot of dumb challenges, though I actually think Nketiah has been worse in the few arsenal games I’ve seen.

[Brahvocado]

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Forgot to add, the whole reason I brought up the way Gabriel plays is that, based on how we know he always plays, we have no real idea how hard Joelinton actually pushes him, since we’ve seen him in dozens of these situations where he feels the slightest touch and throws himself to ground (which works, very often).

I’m def not saying it can’t possibly be a foul, all I’m saying is you can’t take any kind of contact with Gabriel at face value, hence the risk vs reward of how he plays.

[Krebstar]

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Forgot to add, the whole reason I brought up the way Gabriel plays is that, based on how we know he always plays, we have no real idea how hard Joelinton actually pushes him, since we’ve seen him in dozens of these situations where he feels the slightest touch and throws himself to ground (which works, very often).

I’m def not saying it can’t possibly be a foul, all I’m saying is you can’t take any kind of contact with Gabriel at face value, hence the risk vs reward of how he plays.

It’s a foul. This isn’t an arm in the back, or a slight shirt tug being exaggerated—it’s two hands in the neck from a player jumping and pushing downward while he’s trying to head the ball.

I forgot to add, Jorginho isn’t even out there to be targeted if Ødegaard is fit. Why wasn’t he? The unpunished tackle from Kovacic against City. Yet another example of bull****.

(He played after but was carrying an injury since then and it seemed to worsen over the international break.)

Whatever.

[Krebstar]

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I mean I agree for the most part, but Kai fouls a LOT. He makes that foul regardless of the game, that’s just how he plays. His main role at Chelsea was wind-up merchant and he does that very well. He does make a lot of dumb challenges, though I actually think Nketiah has been worse in the few arsenal games I’ve seen.

You've seen more of him than I have, but we all know there's a difference between the types of players who foul a lot. Part because of how they're treated by referees but also the type of fouls they commit. Now, referees are stupid, but I wouldn't be me if I didn't point out Kai's fouls compared to cards received using oh I don't know, Joelinton as a comparison.


22–23 Premier League:

Kai
35 appearances, 60 fouls (1.7 avg), 5 yellow cards

Joelinton
32 appearances 65 fouls (2.0 avg), 12 yellow cards

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21–22 Premier League:

Kai
29 appearances, 40 fouls (1.4 avg), 5 yellow cards

Joelinton
35* appearances 64 fouls (1.8 avg), 8 yellow cards

*10 of these matches were not played under Howe

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What does it all mean?! It means I have too much time on my hands but also, I think Kai commits more niggly fouls.

Okay, time for work.