2023–2024 English Football Thread

[Brahvocado]

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Oh, ****, my bad—didn't mean to get objective.



Which is why I included stats from the past two seasons (I'd say Arsenal had a better defense than Brentford both seasons).

Tell a casual to watch Ramsdale's appearances for Arsenal from the past two seasons and there would be many, many "what the **** was he doing there?" moments.

His personality and some great saves have masked a lot of his flaws. There's a great clip where he's talking to Ian Wright and he tells him that he can't focus on a game for ninety minutes which is why he gets involved with supporters and what not to 'refocus' him or whatever. You can tell Wright is so perplexed and confused that someone would even admit that.

So, there's the subjective measurement—the player himself admits he can't focus on the game and interacts with supporters to 'refocus' him and to motivate him.

I did say I don’t actually like Ramsdale and I don’t think he’s good enough

[ImTellinTim]

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Hate to disappoint you but City won’t even be next lol.



It’s gonna be Chelsea next since we are fully cooperating, same as Everton which is why it was so fast. City has an army of lawyers and red tape for them to get through, it will take a lot longer.

“CHAMPIONS OF BILLABLE HOURS, YOU’LL NEVER SING THAT”

[Krebstar]

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Hate to disappoint you but City won’t even be next lol.

It’s gonna be Chelsea next since we are fully cooperating, same as Everton which is why it was so fast. City has an army of lawyers and red tape for them to get through, it will take a lot longer.

It's also going to take a bit to double-check the count on the money they've transferred to the league.

As for Everton, the extra interesting bit is the clubs who were relegated taking legal action. I love it.

Can Fulham be next? Can we just send them to non-league?

[Krebstar]

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I did say I don’t actually like Ramsdale and I don’t think he’s good enough

Well, I'd say Raya is a better keeper than Ramsdale—plus, Arsenal were trying very hard to sign him before Brentford were promoted. To me this is a case of a club seeing an upgrade at a position being suddenly available and seizing the opportunity even if it's a marginal gain.

[Brahvocado]

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It's also going to take a bit to double-check the count on the money they've transferred to the league.

As for Everton, the extra interesting bit is the clubs who were relegated taking legal action. I love it.

Can Fulham be next? Can we just send them to non-league?

Find someone that loves you as much as Kreb hates Fulham

[southernmetalhead]

Re: 2023–2024 English Football Thread

Everton would be done the past couple of years with this deduction, but they could survive this season.

[dubcity]

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Everton would be done the past couple of years with this deduction, but they could survive this season.

The league is in sad, sad shape if they don't manage to put Everton down. Weak minded and weak bodied.

[KG]

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I think they appeal and get their points back. There’s too much at stake and too many skeletons in the closet from the FA & other clubs (Chelsea included) that if the FA keeps pushing and digging they’re going to hurt the league which hurts their pockets.


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[Krebstar]

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I think they appeal and get their points back. There’s too much at stake and too many skeletons in the closet from the FA & other clubs (Chelsea included) that if the FA keeps pushing and digging they’re going to hurt the league which hurts their pockets.


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Technically is the league itself, not the FA. Both are investigating Chelsea, and I think only the league charged City. Also, a few MPs are even making noise—I don’t think this goes away too quickly.

[KG]

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Technically is the league itself, not the FA. Both are investigating Chelsea, and I think only the league charged City. Also, a few MPs are even making noise—I don’t think this goes away too quickly.

UEFA also investigated City through that CAS intermediary which didn’t find anything.

It will be definitely be interesting, especially because our new ownership has been very transparent with Roman’s shenanigans which is the opposite of City whose charges including not cooperating. Our charges center around paying agents in Russia for Willian & Eto and some money funneled to Conte’s agent.

I don’t see the Premier League having the heart to hammer to the best club in the world right now (City). I honestly believe City’s ownership group would uncover some shady dealings between the Prem/FA and the Middle East.


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[Krebstar]

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UEFA also investigated City through that CAS intermediary which didn’t find anything.

Eh, not quite, Pep.

CAS* overturned the punishment (handed down by a UEFA financial committee) due to statute of limitations, but they also didn't agree fully with the findings, stating:

"In the absence of a link being proven...the majority of the panel finds that UEFA's theory on disguised equity funding remains unsubstantiated."

Things were found, but UEFA may have acted too hastily. I'm not saying that City will be relegated, but the league conducted a four-year investigation, while UEFA did theirs in eleven months.

None of this is apples to apples.


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*It was a three-person committee, and all that was reported that a majority agreed.

[KG]

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Eh, not quite, Pep.

CAS* overturned the punishment (handed down by a UEFA financial committee) due to statute of limitations, but they also didn't agree fully with the findings, stating:

"In the absence of a link being proven...the majority of the panel finds that UEFA's theory on disguised equity funding remains unsubstantiated."

Things were found, but UEFA may have acted too hastily. I'm not saying that City will be relegated, but the league conducted a four-year investigation, while UEFA did theirs in eleven months.

None of this is apples to apples.


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*It was a three-person committee, and all that was reported that a majority agreed.

So yeah, like I said, nothing came of the UEFA probe and probably won’t because of the ties of UEFA to the Middle East.

None of it really matters though because the “sport” of it is too far gone. My guess is within the next 5-10yrs the Super League will happen WITH clubs from Saudi allowed to join. There’s going to be too much pressure from the likes of Real Madrid, Italian clubs and all of the leagues that aren’t the Premier League because of crappy broadcasting deals in those leagues.


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[Krebstar]

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So yeah, like I said, nothing came of the UEFA probe and probably won’t because of the ties of UEFA to the Middle East.

None of it really matters though because the “sport” of it is too far gone. My guess is within the next 5-10yrs the Super League will happen WITH clubs from Saudi allowed to join. There’s going to be too much pressure from the likes of Real Madrid, Italian clubs and all of the leagues that aren’t the Premier League because of crappy broadcasting deals in those leagues.

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Well, there's a difference between not finding anything and nothing coming of an investigation (they found the obvious financial doping everyone knew existed, they just couldn't make it stick), but whatever.

I think in these instances (and the ongoing English investigations) its worth distinguishing a lack of punishment from a lack of wrongdoing.

[Brahvocado]

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So yeah, like I said, nothing came of the UEFA probe and probably won’t because of the ties of UEFA to the Middle East.

None of it really matters though because the “sport” of it is too far gone. My guess is within the next 5-10yrs the Super League will happen WITH clubs from Saudi allowed to join. There’s going to be too much pressure from the likes of Real Madrid, Italian clubs and all of the leagues that aren’t the Premier League because of crappy broadcasting deals in those leagues.


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It’s so depressing how correct this probably is lmao

[Brahvocado]

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Also people talking about revoking titles are hilarious.

That’s a Pandora’s box I can almost guarantee most of them don’t want to open once they actually think about it.