Sliders: I Don't Get It
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Sliders aren't a bad idea, but as one poster said, you can spend the entire time tweaking and not enjoying the game. Sometimes, too much of something is not a good thing. And, one can look at this in two ways: 1: User has the option to adjust the game to their liking...or 2: The developers have become lazy over the years and decided to just let us do most of the work now. It goes both ways. Personally, I get tired of constantly tweaking sliders because as someone posted, the game changes each time. I'd rather spend 3 hrs playing the games, then tweaking the sliders. -
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What gets me also it that you have guys the have all of these Versions 2.0, 2.1, etc. How much time have they spent playing the game vs testing. Glad these people have time to do this, but with everyone having different stick skills, one persons results are different from the next. I'am sure it helps some. For my self, I had this system I changed the sliders for every team I played. Play against a great QB...the slider reflected that, each team was different, different game each time.
However, I'am glad they do have them...because no game is gonna be very good out of the box...its a game...not the NFL.Comment
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I'll keep it short.....I love that fact that there is sliders and seeing that theres only one NFL game I wish it had more options I can tweak to my likings......This article is a waste and if the author has a problem with sliders done use them but don't bitch just to hear yourself bitch.Comment
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I think there have to be sliders in sports games if you want each user to have a chance to get somewhat realistic results. I'm 45 years old and don't have the dexterity of my 14 yr old son when it comes to using the controller. The options are 1) say that I suck and just don't buy the game because it obviously wouldn't be much fun or 2) have some sort of system available where I can tweak things to be closer to my skill level (without being stuck with predetermined levels that are always too easy or too hard).
Two things about sliders though:
First of all, I do agree that developers are using them to cover inadequacies. That obviously shouldn't be the intent.
Secondly, sliders should work as advertised. If there is a fumble slider, the player should fumble EVERY TIME on one extreme and NEVER on the other with variance in between. That would truly give a big window to allow the user to set up the game in the manner they wish to play. It only seems to make sense that the players would play right at their rating when the sliders are right in the middle. Honestly, I don't see what is so hard about that.PS5 GT: hawkfandave827Comment
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This is the dumbest article I have ever read on OS.Comment
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Exactly. The writer is obviously clueless. To assume we adjust sliders just to make it easier for ourselves is laughable. Everyone's tastes and skills are different. To assume we all neatly fit into each default difficulty level is a joke. One of my biggest complaints with NCAA this year is trying to get the cpu to run the ball better. I guess I should just live with that I suppose rather than adjust anything? Please. And I'm 36 and grew up without sliders. Sliders are a great thing and should never be removed.Comment
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Have you watched Madden Nation?
This is why we need sliders. Default games are meant to be cheese festivals now and appeal to the masses. If you want to try to get a more sim like experience you have to use sliders.
What happens when the hardest level isn't hard enough? Use sliders.
Unfortunately it does lead to excessive compulsive disorder because there isn't enough time in a lifetime to test every single thing. I mean you could play a game or 2 that could be total anamolies and then if you try to change sliders based off that, you end up digging yourself a hole straight to slider hell.
Overall, I am glad there a re sliders especially now that the developers love "Wide Open" Gameplay.Chalepa Ta Kala.....Comment
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In my younger days (I'm 35), I thought that people who tweaked sliders were unskilled idiots trying to make the game easier. Over the past few years, may way of thinking has drastically changed. Sliders' in many cases, make the games more playable.
As one poster stated earlier, these games are set to the most "accessible" level when you buy them. Sim sports game are regularly set to arcade gameplay by default. Most sports fans/gamers want to play a game that's as close to the real thing as possible. Really, how much fun is it to blow out USC' s football team with Duke when you KNOW that would never happen or to get totally pasted by the New York Knicks?
Sliders are absolutely necessary. Default difficulties are either far too easy, extremely difficult (with a little cheese on top for the CPU) and in most instances, absolutely unrealistic.Comment
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First, I am Joey, the uninformed author of this article and I have no problem admitting that. The title of the article tells you, "I Don't Get It." Some of your posts were very informative and I appreciate that. Some of your posts were not so informative. lol.
I should tell you about my gaming background as that will also help you understand why I don't get sliders. I'm a sim freak. I've never been a fps or button mashing guy. For example. I pre-ordered Madden CE, went to the midnight party at my local GameCrazy and took home a 2 litre bottle of pepsi and a wee plush football. I have not taken the Madden 09 disk out of its bed once. Not one single time. I bought Madden CE for Head Coach. My comrades in the Head Coach forum know me quite well lol, and my distaste for sliders.
When I open a game, any game, I want the confidence of knowing that this is the best possible game the developers could have made. Now I realize that the "business" of gaming makes that a pipe-dream, yet I still dream.
Which leads me to ASU's question. He asked what the point of the article was. The point, actually the question I want answered is don't you feel like if there were not sliders, then the developers would be forced to make the game as realistic as possible before shipping it? That is what I worry about. That instead of putting the realism (and if I'm reading all your posts correctly THAT is why you change sliders, to make it more realistic, challenging) in our, the gamers hands, would not having sliders force the developers to make the near-perfect game?
I'm not a programmer. I don't want to have to spend the countless hours of "tweaking" sliders to make the game realistic and challenging. One of the other posts made a great point about the variances in sports games. There are too many variables in football especially, but I'm sure all sports, to even know what the "base-line" is. Then where are you? Do you have to change the sliders every time you play a different team like mentioned in another post? When does it end? Why do we have to do it in the first place?
That is what the point of the article is.
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This is the worst article I've ever read. Sliders are the essential part of having realistic games in Sports gaming. Apparently this guy likes the Blitz series better than real football or something.....Comment
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First, this is far from the worst article I've read on OS.
Second, I think you raise some very interesting points, but those points are perhaps presented in a way which (intentional or not) will get most sports gamers upset. Here's why I think most of the comments to your article are negative.
When the "next gen" of sports games were introduced they lacked the extreme customizability of the last generation of games. Players had come to expect that they could create the team or player or franchies of their dreams. Now, with next gen sports gaming just begining to recover, players are reluctant to give up any sort of customizability in their games. Systems like the "my skill" system are novel but ultimatly anger the diehards when they don't life up to the hype. When someone suggests that sliders are a "crutch" for developers, it deviates from the percieved notion of sliders as a feature for the more dedicated sports gamers.
I agree that one sould not have to spend hours of time tweeking sliders and gameplay just to make the game enjoyable, and for some games this has become a reality. But to take away sliders now would ostrasize the very people who give meaningful feedback to developers on games. You or I may not enjoy it, but it is the people who spend hours and hours tweeking sliders who perhaps know the games the best.
So I agree that this discussion is necessary and I understand your concerns, but persenting your arguments in a way which are clearly meant to incite riot is perhaps not the best way to get a level headed discussion started.Champions keep playing until they get it right. ~ Billie Jean King
Let's GO Riders!
Let's GO Raptors!
Let's GO Broncos!Comment
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the question I want answered is don't you feel like if there were not sliders, then the developers would be forced to make the game as realistic as possible before shipping it? That is what I worry about. That instead of putting the realism (and if I'm reading all your posts correctly THAT is why you change sliders, to make it more realistic, challenging) in our, the gamers hands, would not having sliders force the developers to make the near-perfect game?
I'm not a programmer. I don't want to have to spend the countless hours of "tweaking" sliders to make the game realistic and challenging. One of the other posts made a great point about the variances in sports games. There are too many variables in football especially, but I'm sure all sports, to even know what the "base-line" is. Then where are you? Do you have to change the sliders every time you play a different team like mentioned in another post? When does it end? Why do we have to do it in the first place?
That is what the point of the article is.
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However, your entire tone which you started at the beginning of the article, was to belittle people that adjust sliders. You accused people of adjusting sliders rather than practicing assuming that people that change sliders do so to make the game easier.
Furthermore, you make the assumption that people who use sliders spend hours on them or are constantly changing them. I do like to play with sliders but my "testing" is just by playing my games in the dynasty mode. Over time if I don't like something I tweak it. I don't spend hours testing or get overly frustrated by it. If it weren't for sliders, I would have probably given up on a lot of the football games released in the last couple years. I love sliders and I'm glad I have them. You clearly don't understand why people use them but I hope you are learning.
As far as I'm concerned, you are telling everyone to eat a pizza with no toppings. Sliders are the great ingredients like pepperoni, bacon, mushrooms, peppers, etc. Why would I be satisfied eating a cheese pizza when I could be adding meat to it? Or why would I eat a pineapple and ham pizza when I don't want pineapple on my pizza? Quite frankly, I think anyone who doesn't use sliders is nuts. I'd much rather eat my pepperoni, bacon, ham and mushroom pizza than just simply accept whatever slice someone throws on my plate.Comment
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As far as I'm concerned, you are telling everyone to eat a pizza with no toppings. Sliders are the great ingredients like pepperoni, bacon, mushrooms, peppers, etc. Why would I be satisfied eating a cheese pizza when I could be adding meat to it? Or why would I eat a pineapple and ham pizza when I don't want pineapple on my pizza? Quite frankly, I think anyone who doesn't use sliders is nuts. I'd much rather eat my pepperoni, bacon, ham and mushroom pizza than just simply accept whatever slice someone throws on my plate.
I don't want cheese pizza either. I want the meat lovers deluxe with everything on it, well not in real life , irl I actually like cheese pizza, but for my sports games I do want the deluxe.
I just don't want to bring home the cheese pizza that the developer's sell me and then have to slice my own pepperoni, cook and crumble my own sausage, slice all the veggies, and so forth and so on and add them to my pizza on my own! I mean what if I put Anchovies on it and then my pizza sucks but I don't know it's the anchovies making my pie suck, so first I take off the sliced tomatoes, which makes the pineapple slices stronger but my pizza still sucks, so I take off the pineapple and yech, it still sucks. AND I paid $65 + for this pizza
I want the professional pizza makers to give me a pizza that has everything it is supposed to have on it so it doesn't taste like crap!
Do I still not get it? Maybe it's not that I don't get sliders, maybe it's just that I wish we lived in a world where we didn't have to have sliders???
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After reading all the posts here, I'm quoting this one because I can answer this question. I was going to quote the post that said "This is the dumbest article I have ever read on OS." but that would have been too much fun.
First, I am Joey, the uninformed author of this article and I have no problem admitting that. The title of the article tells you, "I Don't Get It." Some of your posts were very informative and I appreciate that. Some of your posts were not so informative. lol.
I should tell you about my gaming background as that will also help you understand why I don't get sliders. I'm a sim freak. I've never been a fps or button mashing guy. For example. I pre-ordered Madden CE, went to the midnight party at my local GameCrazy and took home a 2 litre bottle of pepsi and a wee plush football. I have not taken the Madden 09 disk out of its bed once. Not one single time. I bought Madden CE for Head Coach. My comrades in the Head Coach forum know me quite well lol, and my distaste for sliders.
When I open a game, any game, I want the confidence of knowing that this is the best possible game the developers could have made. Now I realize that the "business" of gaming makes that a pipe-dream, yet I still dream.
Which leads me to ASU's question. He asked what the point of the article was. The point, actually the question I want answered is don't you feel like if there were not sliders, then the developers would be forced to make the game as realistic as possible before shipping it? That is what I worry about. That instead of putting the realism (and if I'm reading all your posts correctly THAT is why you change sliders, to make it more realistic, challenging) in our, the gamers hands, would not having sliders force the developers to make the near-perfect game?
I'm not a programmer. I don't want to have to spend the countless hours of "tweaking" sliders to make the game realistic and challenging. One of the other posts made a great point about the variances in sports games. There are too many variables in football especially, but I'm sure all sports, to even know what the "base-line" is. Then where are you? Do you have to change the sliders every time you play a different team like mentioned in another post? When does it end? Why do we have to do it in the first place?
That is what the point of the article is.
Flame on
Also, I think you'd get a lot more rational reaction if your article (intentional or otherwise) didn't affect the tone of superiority over and condemnation of those who effectively use sliders. You don't get it or don't want to and that's fine. The reality is that most people who vehemently demand more effective sliders are people who want to make the game more challenging and representative of the given sport...not the other way around as you imply. I don't know your intentions, but tone is a very fine balancing act when writing opinion pieces...just my opinionComment
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