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While they may be considered individual events at one point or another, based upon your initial point, it still would be princess saving considered as the sole purpose of the game. Fire avoiding, pit jumping, and yellow peg running are just the means of the event, and all happen at once. When was the last time an individual competed in the discus throw, pole vault, and Javelin Throw all at once?Originally posted by Clay_OS
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Re: Posts I'll Never Understand
Very well said. While some of us may be doing things that should be done already, I'm happy enough that I have the power to do so, instead of having to avoid a game altogether and "waiting 'til next year."Originally posted by SquintHere's where I get a little confused......
Aren't the "default" sliders (as brought up by the author) just like sliders developed by Pared or Jistic except they happen to be developed by people employed by EA? I mean really, what's the difference? I'd rather have my "default" sliders developed by people that I may happen to have some type of quasi-acquaintance with rather than people who get paid $12 an hour to make sure that they aren't getting 23-19 results everytime they play a baseball game.
At least I know that the sliders developers here at OS have the same vested interest in a game that I happen to like (just as they do) rather than the people that are creating the "default" sliders as part of their job, just passing the time, waiting for the clock to strike five.
Hell, for all I know these "default" sliders could be developed by people that barely even know what a baseball is, let alone that baseball is actually a sport.<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:RelyOnVML/> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:TrackMoves/> <w:TrackFormatting/> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:DoNotPromoteQF/> <w:LidThemeOther>EN-US</w:LidThemeOther> <w:LidThemeAsian>X-NONE</w:LidThemeAsian> <w:LidThemeComplexScript>X-NONE</w:LidThemeComplexScript> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> <w:SplitPgBreakAndParaMark/> <w:EnableOpenTypeKerning/> <w:DontFlipMirrorIndents/> 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Originally posted by HammerhunkerThis is a thread I Don't Understand. Kind of reminds me of high school with the "Understood crowd bashing on the MisUnderstood crowd."Any chance you're taking this too seriously?Originally posted by HammerhunkerI probably set myself up here for some ripping, but I don't really care. Though I wasn't offended by the article, I was taken back. The slider, at this juncture of game ownership to me, is the main reason I visit this site. So, I don't understand why a topic like this should be raised. I hate to use this cliche, but oh well: To each their own, Mr. Fossen, to each their own.
Really - if a discussion of the value of sliders hurts your feelings ...
I have opinion. I write it. Everyone is welcome to disagree .... but it's just sliders we're talking about. It's nothing personal either way.
I find it funny that you want to champion "to each his own", when what you mean is that if I disagree with you I shouldn't raise the topic.5WG | Facebook | Twitter | fiftytwoplays
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Did you read the comment you're taking issue with?Originally posted by SquintAren't the "default" sliders (as brought up by the author) just like sliders developed by Pared or Jistic except they happen to be developed by people employed by EA?
That is specifically in reference to people who will not even open a game until a "slider set" is published.5WG | Facebook | Twitter | fiftytwoplays
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We may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".Originally posted by MedwayAs far as the comment on WE8, that game doesn't need sliders because they actually got it right, thats why no one complains about the lack of sliders unlike many other games.5WG | Facebook | Twitter | fiftytwoplays
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I think this is an important point in the "slider" argument. I think a lot of times there are people who tweak sliders just to tweak them, without really understanding the impact it will have on gameplay. Tweaking one slider may "fix" one thing but "break" another.Originally posted by fossenWe may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".
That being said, I think fossen has a valid point because the average amateur slider maker won't put as much time as the developers did into finding and understanding that delicate balance. However, there are the Pared's and Jistic's out there who do put in the necessary work that can be of some benefit to a lot of players.Comment
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It was more geared towards this comment:Originally posted by fossenDid you read the comment you're taking issue with?
That is specifically in reference to people who will not even open a game until a "slider set" is published.
Again, who says their "defaults" are any better than the "defaults" developed by people here at OS?Developers and playtesters worked a long time on hammering out the defaults.Comment
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Again ... what does that have to do with not breaking the shrinkwrap until there are released slider "sets"?Originally posted by SquintAgain, who says their "defaults" are any better than the "defaults" developed by people here at OS?
The developers' aren't necessarily better, but they reflect the artistic vision of the developers. There is no such thing as an objective, "realistic" sports game ... they are all interpretations of the sport. They are what the game was intended to be, and at least deserve a try, and an attempts to come to grips with what is offered.5WG | Facebook | Twitter | fiftytwoplays
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I don't see where, in the article, it states that the slider discussion is based on gamers that don't break the shrinkwrap until a slider set is released. This is the paragraph I based my post on:Originally posted by fossenAgain ... what does that have to do with not breaking the shrinkwrap until there are released slider "sets"?
The developers' aren't necessarily better, but they reflect the artistic vision of the developers. There is no such thing as an objective, "realistic" sports game ... they are all interpretations of the sport. They are what the game was intended to be, and at least deserve a try, and an attempts to come to grips with what is offered.
While this paragraph hits the hardest on gamers that think one single slider set is the end-all, beat-all to all others (which is completely asinine), it also sheds a negative light on sliders in general. As if the default sliders are the end-all, beat-all to all other slider sets.I don't care for sliders, and I've written about it before. I despise the things, and am crazed by those that obsess over them. I'll save the full diatribe for another time, but in short I just don't like the immediate tinkering with a game, then proclaiming within hours of breaking the shrinkwrap that the game has been somehow improved. Developers and playtesters worked a long time on hammering out the defaults. To tinker with the game to make your experience better makes some limited sense: perhaps you can't react quick enough and need to lower the pitch speed, or simply find that you need a difficulty level in between the presets. However, proclaiming that your "slider set" is somehow a universal solution that is better than what ships seems a monumental act of hubris.
Because that's what the default sliders really are.......just another slider set.Comment
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Oh deffinatly, if they were there someone would make a set but I bet a large portion of people wouldn't bother messing with them since it obviously plays so well out of the box.Originally posted by fossenWe may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".Comment
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No, actually the default settings are the design of the game.Originally posted by SquintBecause that's what the default sliders really are.......just another slider set.Listen to The Remodeling Clay Podcast!
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Not necessarily.Originally posted by MedwayOh deffinatly, if they were there someone would make a set but I bet a large portion of people wouldn't bother messing with them since it obviously plays so well out of the box.
Like fossen said, a lot of people won't even start playing a game until there's a slider set available for it.Green Bay Packers | Milwaukee Brewers | Bradley Braves | Wisconsin Badgers
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[QUOTE=Medway]To the above poster, those arent slider tweaks they're rule changes, there's a difference. Closest thing to a slider tweak would be someone taking steroids to "up their stats". QUOTE]
I am the above poster, and I disagree with you. Yes they are rule-changes, but aren't they designed to affect results? Aren't sliders designed to do the same?Comment
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Very interesting topic. When sliders became common place in video games a few years ago, I thought it was great. But I have also noticed that year after year I am spending more time on them, and less time actually playing the games. A few years ago, I would get a game, practice the controls for 5 minutes and begin a season. Nowadays it seems I put in 5 hours of gameplay adjustments before I am ready to begin a season. And I am not even overly obsessive about the stats (I really feel for those guys)...I just want a good challenge.
While I am now trying to limit my slider time, there is still alot I like about them. It is nice having an alternative when you are stuck between skill levels. It is also nice to be able to maintain a challenge when your skill slightly improves in one aspect of a game. If I find myself becoming a little too successful running the football, it is nice to bump a slider a notch, and not jump to an entirely new level, where everything becomes more difficult.
I also like the customizing possibilities. I want a realistic college basketball score, but I don't want to have to play 20 minutes halves to get it. A couple shooting % sliders can help me create these settings, while the guy who likes 20 minute halves can adjust them the other direction and have it his way.
It is nice when developers put in effective, well explained sliders. Often times, less is more. I never like seeing tons of sliders, several of which have no visible effect (NHL 2K4, I am looking at you). Or when there are sliders that you have no clue what they do (doesn't MVP have one called "Variable Stuff" huh??). Or ambigous sliders like a football game with a break block slider for the defense even though there already are pass block and run block sliders for the Offense.Comment
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Design of the game as developed by testers on the R&D staff. They are, in essence, developing a set of default sliders.Originally posted by Clay_OSNo, actually the default settings are the design of the game.
It's funny how the tune file was considered a God-send throughout the High Heat series, yet in this case the sliders are getting a negative lablel.Comment

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