Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

[cardinalbird5]

I remember Brian_SCEA saying a few years ago it did nothing during gameplay, however I had a dev recently tell me that it negates power.

Any truth to this? Can this be tested?

Curious, because if so this attribute can be helpful for RTTS and DD.

[nomo17k]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

I think what Brian@SCEA meant was that while HR/9 is designed to be an attribute to express the pitcher's ability to keep the ball in park (which in practice means that the "effective" Power rating of the hitter is modified based on the pitcher's HR/9 rating), if the pitcher gives up a meat ball, it's up to the hitter as to what to do with it.

So even if your pitcher has 99 HR/9, he would give up a HR at times even against a 25 Power hitter if he leaves the pitch within the fat part of the plate.

Overall, HR/9 matters .... but not to the extent to help poor pitching execution.

[Thelegion902]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

I remember Brian_SCEA saying a few years ago it did nothing during gameplay, however I had a dev recently tell me that it negates power.

Any truth to this? Can this be tested?

Curious, because if so this attribute can be helpful for RTTS and DD.

Hmmm that's funny because I remember a certain someone telling me that I know nothing because I said that HR/9 had some affect on gameplay. I guess that person must feel stupid.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

I think what Brian@SCEA meant was that while HR/9 is designed to be an attribute to express the pitcher's ability to keep the ball in park (which in practice means that the "effective" Power rating of the hitter is modified based on the pitcher's HR/9 rating), if the pitcher gives up a meat ball, it's up to the hitter as to what to do with it.

So even if your pitcher has 99 HR/9, he would give up a HR at times even against a 25 Power hitter if he leaves the pitch within the fat part of the plate.

Overall, HR/9 matters .... but not to the extent to help poor pitching execution.

Do you know what thread I am talking about though? He specifically said it affects nothing in gameplay. However another dev told me the opposite.

I didn't train the stat once last year in DD and I did not give up many HR's. I still don't think it does anything, but it is hard to prove.

[nomo17k]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

Do you know what thread I am talking about though? He specifically said it affects nothing in gameplay. However another dev told me the opposite.

I didn't train the stat once last year in DD and I did not give up many HR's. I still don't think it does anything, but it is hard to prove.

I think I know the post you are talking about, but my interpretation is the same. The point is, if you are a good pitcher and the opponent is not able to take advantage of the few mistakes you make, then HR/9 isn't an attribute you need to invest too much of your attention...

[MrOldboy]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

So in a case of the same pitcher, edited once to have 99 HR/9 and then again to have say 25 HR/9.

If that pitcher throws the same pitch to the same hitter with different HR/9, that hitter will have a lower power rating against the 99 HR/9 version and therefore a less likely chance to hit a HR.

So far that is what I understand.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...contact-2.html

When asked what HR/9 does....

That pitcher attribute is for simmed games in franchise and season and RTTS modes.

Then...

K/9, H/9, and BB/9 are the most important attributes for pitching and matter in-game. Those three attributes as well as your pitch types will influence home runs, but the rest is up to the batter. In other words, if you hang a meatball over the plate it won't matter how good your HR/9 attribute is. And if you fool a batter with a pitch way outside, it won't matter how bad your HR/9 attribute is. All the HR/9 factors are taken into account by the other attributes in combination with the pitch type and location. In simulation the attribute accounts for these factors in one number rather than splitting them into detailed components.

For hitting Con, Pwr, and PVis are the most important. There is Dis which affects check swing skill, but obviously as far as taking balls and strikes that's 100% up to the user. All things being equal, it's the pitcher's BB/9 (i.e. accuracy) which is going to determine how many walks are going to happen.

So even though both pitching and hitting have 4 primary attributes, only 3 of them are dominant in-game because batters primarily control HRs and pitchers primarily control Walks. The pitcher and batter's influence against these are handled by factors like pitch types, the user's swing decision, and other overlapping attributes.

I asked Livingston the other day about it on Diamond DYnasty and he said "he believes" it has the opposite affect of power for the hitter, but don't know how much.

That is why I am confused.

Russel said its only for sims. Brian_SCEA basically implied it did nothing in gameplay, yet Livingston told me it may negate power.

This may not seem like a big deal, but in a game mode like DD it is actually a very big deal.

[cemprae48]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

along those same lines... Could someone shed some light on the CLUTCH rating for both pitchers and hitters... does it matter?... especially in playing HEAD to HEAD OFFLINE...

[crizolli]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

This if very interesting stuff. I was putting a lot of points on HR/9 instead of BB/9 on the premise that it would deny homers, but I'll take another aproach now.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

Brian_SCEA basically implied it did nothing in gameplay

I think you should read his quote again.

Brian did not imply anything. He stated exactly what the HR/9 attribute does. There is a weighted system in-game where HR/9 has only a moderate influence and isn't used directly as a modifier.

This is why Ramone said it was primarily most important in sims, where it is not weighted and used to modify directly. It is used during gameplay, just subtly and dependent on circumstance (meaning one shouldn't focus on this attribute during gameplay to alter the frequency of HR's).

[nomo17k]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...contact-2.html

When asked what HR/9 does....




Then...



I asked Livingston the other day about it on Diamond DYnasty and he said "he believes" it has the opposite affect of power for the hitter, but don't know how much.

That is why I am confused.

Russel said its only for sims. Brian_SCEA basically implied it did nothing in gameplay, yet Livingston told me it may negate power.

This may not seem like a big deal, but in a game mode like DD it is actually a very big deal.

I did some test in CPU games back in MLB 11... While it was not big, HR/9 did have some effect In pitchers HR/9 stats. I will post the numbers when I get home.

[Brian SCEA]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

It's been a while but HR/9 has no effect in-game, but has an effect in simulations. In-game means you see the pitcher pitching and the batter swing the bat interactively. Simulation includes fast forward, RTTS, and anything done in the front end.

[thaSLAB]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

...and, there you have it.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

It's been a while but HR/9 has no effect in-game, but has an effect in simulations. In-game means you see the pitcher pitching and the batter swing the bat interactively. Simulation includes fast forward, RTTS, and anything done in the front end.

I've misinterpreted your explanation for quite some time now.

I've always read it as the HR/9 attribute would only be involved when the other three direct modifiers were in use; and being excluded completely when factors like "meatball" came in to play.

Good to know! Thanks for the clarification!

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Any proof that HR/9 does nothing?

Awesome finally an answer!