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    • Feb 2003
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    #31
    Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

    Originally posted by Skyboxer
    Anything that would take these guys time away from The Show isn't important enough for them to do....

    PERIOD.
    C'mon man, they need bathroom breaks... and they enjoy when we show up because of the food.
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    • AInquisition
      Rookie
      • Dec 2008
      • 73

      #32
      Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

      How Does the HR/9 attribute come into play in all of this?

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      • Chef Matt
        True.
        • Apr 2008
        • 7832

        #33
        Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

        Originally posted by AInquisition
        How Does the HR/9 attribute come into play in all of this?
        Is there a HR/9 Attribute?
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        • Lisa_Bonami
          Banned
          • Aug 2003
          • 1293

          #34
          Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

          Since I have the MLB Show design team here together, I have a question about batting tendencies in general.

          Do different players demonstrate different strengths and weaknesses in their swinging tendencies aside from just their hot/cold zones?

          For example, in MLB 2K Baseball, the one thing I think that game does well, is different batters have different tendencies to swing at different types of pitches and chase at certain locations as well as having different strengths at hitting certain types of pitches.

          In the Show, are there many of these different tendencies and characteristics for each batter to make the game more of a strategic battle of knowing your opponents strengths and weaknesses at bat?

          Or does each hitter just share the same Plate AI aside from their Hot/Cold Zones?


          Also, this may have been touched on in other posts...(I havent read thru all of them)

          Last year, I noticed that the AI Managers really never played the lefty relief pitcher/ to lefty batter strategies and vice verse for righties, it seemed very random the arm that was brought in for the matchup. Has this year's game recieved any attention to this at all?

          Thanks guys....Im so looking forward to this game!



          PS.... Allow us to IMPORT our OLDER Franchises so dont have to keep starting it over every year

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          • Russell_SCEA
            SCEA Community Manager
            • May 2005
            • 4161

            #35
            Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

            Originally posted by AInquisition
            How Does the HR/9 attribute come into play in all of this?


            That pitcher attribute is for simmed games in franchise and season and RTTS modes.

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            • deucepoppi17
              MVP
              • Apr 2006
              • 991

              #36
              Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

              Originally posted by chefdad
              Is there a HR/9 Attribute?
              Only for pitchers.

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              • deucepoppi17
                MVP
                • Apr 2006
                • 991

                #37
                Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
                That pitcher attribute is for simmed games in franchise and season and RTTS modes.
                Really? So why do i keep pouring RTTS points into it if i play every game? LoL!

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                • furius
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 45

                  #38
                  Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                  Originally posted by chefdad
                  Is there a HR/9 Attribute?
                  Yeah it's there, I remember seeing it when creating my Road to the show pitcher. Although I'm not exactly sure what it's for.

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                  • bcruise
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23274

                    #39
                    Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                    Originally posted by furius
                    Yeah it's there, I remember seeing it when creating my Road to the show pitcher. Although I'm not exactly sure what it's for.
                    See Russell's post above.

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                    • Chef Matt
                      True.
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 7832

                      #40
                      Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                      Originally posted by deucepoppi17
                      Only for pitchers.
                      Gottcha. That would be a cool stat to have for hitters.
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                      • AInquisition
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 73

                        #41
                        Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                        Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
                        That pitcher attribute is for simmed games in franchise and season and RTTS modes.
                        I take it that's the case for all of the /9 stats. I've wasted a lot of training hours in RTTS then...

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                        • Brian SCEA
                          Senior AI Programmer - MLB: The Show
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 293

                          #42
                          Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                          Originally posted by AInquisition
                          I take it that's the case for all of the /9 stats. I've wasted a lot of training hours in RTTS then...
                          K/9, H/9, and BB/9 are the most important attributes for pitching and matter in-game. Those three attributes as well as your pitch types will influence home runs, but the rest is up to the batter. In other words, if you hang a meatball over the plate it won't matter how good your HR/9 attribute is. And if you fool a batter with a pitch way outside, it won't matter how bad your HR/9 attribute is. All the HR/9 factors are taken into account by the other attributes in combination with the pitch type and location. In simulation the attribute accounts for these factors in one number rather than splitting them into detailed components.

                          For hitting Con, Pwr, and PVis are the most important. There is Dis which affects check swing skill, but obviously as far as taking balls and strikes that's 100% up to the user. All things being equal, it's the pitcher's BB/9 (i.e. accuracy) which is going to determine how many walks are going to happen.

                          So even though both pitching and hitting have 4 primary attributes, only 3 of them are dominant in-game because batters primarily control HRs and pitchers primarily control Walks. The pitcher and batter's influence against these are handled by factors like pitch types, the user's swing decision, and other overlapping attributes.
                          Last edited by Brian SCEA; 01-26-2010, 02:43 PM.

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                          • bcruise
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 23274

                            #43
                            Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                            Originally posted by Brian SCEA
                            K/9, H/9, and BB/9 are the most important attributes for pitching and matter in-game. Those three attributes as well as your pitch types will influence home runs, but the rest is up to the batter. In other words, if you hang a meatball over the plate it won't matter how good your HR/9 attribute is. And if you fool a batter with a pitch way outside, it won't matter how bad your HR/9 attribute is. All the HR/9 factors are taken into account by the other attributes in combination with the pitch type and location. In simulation the attribute accounts for these factors in one number rather than splitting them into detailed components.

                            For hitting Con, Pwr, and PVis are the most important. There is Dis which affects check swing skill, but obviously as far as taking balls and strikes that's 100% up to the user. All things being equal, it's the pitcher's BB/9 (i.e. accuracy) which is going to determine how many walks are going to happen.

                            So even though both pitching and hitting have 4 primary attributes, only 3 of them are dominant in-game because batters primarily control HRs and pitchers primarily control Walks. The pitcher and batter's influence against these are handled by factors like pitch types, the user's swing decision, and other overlapping attributes.
                            I figured there had to be a reason why K/9, H/9, and BB/9 are displayed prominently on every bullpen and analysis screen during a game - it didn't seem like they were just there for sim info. I always tend to use them as a guide for who to bring in out of the bullpen (for teams and players I'm unfamiliar with), so I'm glad they actually mean something in-game.

                            Thanks Brian!

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                            • Chef Matt
                              True.
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 7832

                              #44
                              Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                              Originally posted by Brian SCEA
                              K/9, H/9, and BB/9 are the most important attributes for pitching and matter in-game. Those three attributes as well as your pitch types will influence home runs, but the rest is up to the batter. In other words, if you hang a meatball over the plate it won't matter how good your HR/9 attribute is. And if you fool a batter with a pitch way outside, it won't matter how bad your HR/9 attribute is. All the HR/9 factors are taken into account by the other attributes in combination with the pitch type and location. In simulation the attribute accounts for these factors in one number rather than splitting them into detailed components.

                              For hitting Con, Pwr, and PVis are the most important. There is Dis which affects check swing skill, but obviously as far as taking balls and strikes that's 100% up to the user. All things being equal, it's the pitcher's BB/9 (i.e. accuracy) which is going to determine how many walks are going to happen.

                              So even though both pitching and hitting have 4 primary attributes, only 3 of them are dominant in-game because batters primarily control HRs and pitchers primarily control Walks. The pitcher and batter's influence against these are handled by factors like pitch types, the user's swing decision, and other overlapping attributes.
                              Wow pretty in-depth. And that's just on /9 attributes...
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                              • Lisa_Bonami
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                                • Aug 2003
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                                Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

                                Do different players demonstrate different strengths and weaknesses in their swinging tendencies aside from just their hot/cold zones?

                                For example, in MLB 2K Baseball, the one thing I think that game does well, is different batters have different tendencies to swing at different types of pitches and chase at certain locations as well as having different strengths at hitting certain types of pitches.

                                In the Show, are there many of these different tendencies and characteristics for each batter to make the game more of a strategic battle of knowing your opponents strengths and weaknesses at bat?

                                Or does each hitter just share the same Plate AI aside from their Hot/Cold Zones?

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