Justin Upton's rating

[Braves Fan]

Quote: Originally Posted by TN - BRAVES FAN

Justin Upton's MLB 12 ratings:

This gives him an overall 95 rating in the game.

[ptbnl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jgainsey

If you look at his career splits, his SLG% is very similar for both lefties and righties. One season of data isn't always enough when it comes to platoon splits...

FWIW: Miguel Cabrera's career ISOP vs. lefties and righties...
vs. L: .231; vs. R: .245

Garrett Jones career ISOP
vs. L: .154; vs. R: .225

Cabrera hits lefties and righties equally well, too (.316/.320); Jones does not (.197/.280)

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by ptbnl

FWIW: Miguel Cabrera's career ISOP vs. lefties and righties... vs. L: .231; vs. R: .245 Garrett Jones career ISOP vs. L: .154; vs. R: .225

So power is the only thing that is responsible for the quality of a hit? That's a pretty biased way to look at evidence. Of course he hits more extra-base hits and home runs against righties, because he picks up the ball better and makes better contact.

None of the stats anyone has posted actually prove that a hitter's muscles change in competence depending on the arm the pitcher is using.

I haven't actually looked and calculated it myself, but if you really want to prove either side, you would need to compare his ISO (or slugging) to his batting average, and make some sort of ratio of the two numbers, for each side, so that you can see whether the ratio of singles to hits changes.

[G3no_11]

The power rating just represents the likeliness of him hitting a HR vs LHP or RHP... it's not saying their muscles change.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by G3no_11

The power rating just represents the likeliness of him hitting a HR vs LHP or RHP... it's not saying their muscles change.

But it doesn't. If it worked solely in this way I'd be fine with it. But unfortunately Power also affects your ability to hit the ball out of the infield, and do other various things. The way the ratings currently are, a ground ball hit against a left-handed pitcher will not travel as quickly or as far as a ground ball against a right-handed pitcher. That's what I find quite silly.

[G3no_11]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

But it doesn't. If it worked solely in this way I'd be fine with it. But unfortunately Power also affects your ability to hit the ball out of the infield, and do other various things. The way the ratings currently are, a ground ball hit against a left-handed pitcher will not travel as quickly or as far as a ground ball against a right-handed pitcher. That's what I find quite silly.

To an extent yes, but you don't have to have 40+ power to drive the ball out of the park or even out of the infield. I think it is more weighted on contact and vision.

I think it might be a way of showing the difference between a batter facing a RHP or LHP... it is much more of a transition in real life and maybe the way the ratings are, try to represent that. If they didn't then players would probably have very similar numbers both against LHP and RHP and that's not how it usually works.

[wudl83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

I haven't actually looked and calculated it myself, but if you really want to prove either side, you would need to compare his ISO (or slugging) to his batting average, and make some sort of ratio of the two numbers, for each side, so that you can see whether the ratio of singles to hits changes.

The Iso Power does separate the sheer power from the contact. That's the sense behind this stat.
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/iso/

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by wudl83

The Iso Power does separate the sheer power from the contact. That's the sense behind this stat. http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/iso/

Right. Separation is bad. You want to look at both so that you can see the correlation and/or ratio, which is the critical number here. Hitting more XBH's and HR's doesn't mean much alone, there are a variety of factors that could explain it.