9-3 putouts

[Aviator87AC]

Anyone noticed that 9-3 putouts are occasionally missed? In about 90 franchise games, I've probably turned 3 or 4. I could have easily turned more if the 1B player decided to stand on the bag. Seriously, so many times I've had a great throwing arm in RF and some slow slugger jogging down the line. The throw would have easily beat him but 1B isn't standing on the bag.

Is there no way to simultaneously throw to 1B while telling your 1B to stand on the bag?

[kenp86]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Ive been trying it since the game came out this year and have yet to do this despite the likes of Victor Martinez, Justin Bour and so on running. Its infuriating

[HozAndMoose]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Its to keep things realistic. 4 or 5 years ago they would always cover and it was pretty common to get a 9-3 putout. You having 3 in 90 games is already extremely unrealistic. From 2000 to 2013 (about 30,000 games) only 16 were turned. Then there were 3 in 2014 including Jose Bautista turning 2 in back to back games. Keeping it realistic by not having the 1B cover the bag is a crappy solution though.

[Noiziv]

Re: 9-3 putouts

As Hoz mentioned, this is intentional behavior. They used to be really easy to do. Since they placed the first baseman off the bag a few years ago, I haven’t seen any occurrence of it happening.

[marter]

Re: 9-3 putouts

As mentioned by others, it was a quick-fix patch a few games ago in order to prevent people abusing 9-3 putouts.

And it was left in (and not fixed properly instead) because ... reasons, I guess.

It looks silly each time a ball is hit hard enough to try it, and you should have an out or at least a close play if the 1B was standing on the bag.

[CujoMatty]

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I play with button accuracy and even when the 1b covers first the game intentionally turns your accuracy to yellow so you pull the 1b off the bag even though I obviously stopped the meter in the green.

Doesn’t bother me though because like others have said it stops bloated 9-3 numbers.

[JoseJoseph9119]

Re: 9-3 putouts

I try it every time but it only works if there was a runner on first and the 1B holds him on. Definitely should happen more though based on game physics.

[stealyerface]

Re: 9-3 putouts

If your defense is in a shift, and the ball is lined to the rightfielder, you can definitely get an occasional 9-3 put out to snuff a rally.

I have done it maybe three times this year, but it seems only if the 1B is in his position for the Extreme Left Shift.

It makes sense, as it must fool the logic, with where the throw could come from being played by the 2nd baseman in right field.

~syf

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Not to beat a dead horse, but others mentioned why its not possible.
However, how many times has there been a 9-3 put out this year?

How many 9-3 putouts have their been in the last 10 years?
Having it this way is MORE realistic than allowing it to happen....by a lot

[Blzer]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Its to keep things realistic. 4 or 5 years ago they would always cover and it was pretty common to get a 9-3 putout. You having 3 in 90 games is already extremely unrealistic. From 2000 to 2013 (about 30,000 games) only 16 were turned. Then there were 3 in 2014 including Jose Bautista turning 2 in back to back games. Keeping it realistic by not having the 1B cover the bag is a crappy solution though.

Yes it is, and that means something else is broken in the game. I've addressed the things that are issues around this, and they have yet to change it in over ten years.

Same thing with these damn rocket bunts.

[countryboy]

Re: 9-3 putouts

Yes it is, and that means something else is broken in the game. I've addressed the things that are issues around this, and they have yet to change it in over ten years.

Same thing with these damn rocket bunts.

On the flip side if people were getting thrown out at first by the right fielder they would be complaining about that and saying base hits to right field are broken.

There is nothing “broken” about it. How often do you see a first baseman cover first on a single to right field?

The OP has shown that it can be done but not routinely. Stats from real life baseball tell you that it’s an extremely rare occurrence just like in the Show.

As for “rocket” bunts that is a discussion for another thread.


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[Blzer]

Re: 9-3 putouts

On the flip side if people were getting thrown out at first by the right fielder they would be complaining about that and saying base hits to right field are broken.

There is nothing “broken” about it. How often do you see a first baseman cover first on a single to right field?

The OP has shown that it can be done but not routinely. Stats from real life baseball tell you that it’s an extremely rare occurrence just like in the Show.

My point is that if the developers have to pull the first baseman off of the bag to prevent the throw outs, then there is something rooted deeper that is causing issues that shouldn't let it get to that point in the first place.

[countryboy]

9-3 putouts

My point is that if the developers have to pull the first baseman off of the bag to prevent the throw outs, then there is something rooted deeper that is causing issues that shouldn't let it get to that point in the first place.

And I’ll ask again, how often do you see the first baseman cover first base on a single to right field?

My perspective is that the first baseman not covering the bag isn’t a “fix to an element that is broken”, but rather simulating what you see in actual baseball.


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[KnightTemplar]

Re: 9-3 putouts

How many first basemen do you see run to cover the bag on balls hit to right field? It's not "broken". It would be "broken" if runners WERE being thrown out at first other than every millennium.
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[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: 9-3 putouts

And I’ll ask again, how often do you see the first baseman cover first base on a single to right field?

My perspective is that the first baseman not covering the bag isn’t a “fix to an element that is broken”, but rather simulating what you see in actual baseball.


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Except the fact that in MLB when there is a slow enough hitter and a sharp enough hit to RF the first baseman will cover the bag. That perfect storm just doesnt happen often in MLB.