The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

[Real2KInsider]

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I'm surprised that they would seemingly arbitrarily drop Ben's Passing Vision. I would consider taking a closer look at that drop in rating. He has shown no decrease to any of his passing stats from his 2020-21 final Philly season.


2021 Ben to 2023 Ben stats

Assist %: 31.3% -> 31.3%

Per 36 APG: 7.7 -> 8.3
Assists Per 100 Possessions: 10.7 -> 11.6
Assists Per Game: 6.9 -> 6.1
Minutes: 32.4 -> 26.3
Turnovers Per 100: 4.4 ->4.3

It would appear to me that Ben showed absolutely 0 regression in his passing ability last season. The only anomaly is his Turnover % rising from 19.6 to 27.2 from 21 to last season. I'm not sure how they calculate this stat though. His turnovers per 100 went from 4.4 to 4.3, he had less total turnovers and averaged the exact same amount of turnovers per game. So it's unclear what would make his Turnover % rise.

Defensively he has his highest Defensive Box +/- of his career last season and maintained his steal rate per 100 possessions too.

Simmons' Pass Vision drop isn't arbitrary - it actually reflects scale now.

TO% is based off possessions used, aka Usage Rate (FGA, FTA, TOs). It is not an actual measurement of ball security or anything of the like. Simmons' TO% is basically in line with Draymond Green.

The leaders in TO% are generally players like Duncan Robinson, Kyle Korver, Steve Novak etc who are shooting it as soon as they touch it and are rarely putting the ball on the floor.

[702]

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Gerald Green is mad he didn't make this list.

Slander to the true king Anthony Randolph.

[Real2KInsider]

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https://www.nba.com/game/bkn-vs-lal-0012300012/play-by-play?watchRecap=true&period=All

Nets Pre-season Game 1

PG: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dennis Smith Jr, Ben Simmons, Armoni Brooks
SG: Cam Thomas, Lonnie Walker
SF: Mikal Bridges, Royce O'Neale, Jared Wilson
PF: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith, Trendon Watford
C: Nicolas Claxton, Day'Ron Sharpe, Darius Bazley, Harry Giles, Noah Clowney

Simmons had a 1 minute stint at PG before Dinwiddie checked back in for Finney-Smith (shifting Simmons back to PF)

[howardphillips214]

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Every player when playing against the CPU plays above and beyond their ratings and tendencies. Badges, tendencies, ratings, size, nothing matters when the CPU just decides it's going to reward itself and not you.

[dwayne12345]

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Small note. Dinwiddie played off ball majority of the time when he was in there with Ben Simmons. Ben brought the ball up and initiated the O. Spencer took 5 shots, all 3 point attempts. 3 catch and shoot and 2 wild shot clock buzzer beater prayer pull ups.


Yesterday actually looked like this:
PG - Ben Simmons
SG - Spencer Dinwiddie
SF - Cam Thomas
PF - Mikal Bridges
C - Claxton


Cam Johnson is hurt, so he's likely to get the starting PF spot and push either Cam Thomas or Dinwiddie to the 2nd unit.


Depth chart prediction:

PG - Ben Simmons, Spencer, Dennis Smith Jr

SG - Spencer, Cam Thomas, Lonnie Walker

SF - Mikal Bridges, Cam Thomas, Royce O'Neal, Lonnie Walker

PF - Cam Johnson, DFS, Royce O'Neal, Trendon Watford

C - Nic Claxton, Day'Ron Sharpe, Trendon Watford

[zkecske]

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Slander to the true king Anthony Randolph.

uhh I forgot him already, yes. Also... Donte Greene.

[Real2KInsider]

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Small note. Dinwiddie played off ball majority of the time when he was in there with Ben Simmons. Ben brought the ball up and initiated the O. Spencer took 5 shots, all 3 point attempts. 3 catch and shoot and 2 wild shot clock buzzer beater prayer pull ups.

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LeBron initiates the offense too but there's a reason he's not at PG (and it's worth noting he matched w/ Simmons on both ends).

[dwayne12345]

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LeBron initiates the offense too but there's a reason he's not at PG (and it's worth noting he matched w/ Simmons on both ends).

Yea true. The Lakers are an interesting case, because there are so many mismatches. D-Lo can't guard Simmons, none of our small forwards can really guard Bron (Maybe Bridges but he's a bit frail).


I'll be interested to see who Ben guards when we play teams with elite back courts like Atlanta, Golden State, and Cleveland.

[Real2KInsider]

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Preseason Game 2

https://www.nba.com/game/mra-vs-bkn-0012300029/play-by-play?watchRecap=true&period=All

1st Quarter
Simmons checks out for Dorian Finney-Smith (PF)
Dinwiddie checks out for Dennis Smith Jr (PG)
DSJ checks back out for Dinwiddie (PG)

2nd Quarter
Simmons checks in for Dinwiddie at PG at the 7 minute mark. He finishes the quarter.

3rd Quarter
Dinwiddie checks out for Armoni Brooks (PG)
Simmons checks out for Trendon Watford (PF)


Game two once again leans PF/PG.

[Luke Skywalker]

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Only way I see for 2K to neuter his performance would be to give him low Fatigue rating, make him get tired quickly so he is only effective in spurts. Lets be real - if he played like he can in 2K, he would be a GOAT, Lol.

[Real2KInsider]

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Game 3

https://www.nba.com/game/phi-vs-bkn-0012300046/play-by-play

1st quarter
Simmons-Dinwiddie-Thomas-DFS-Claxton

Dinwiddie out for Walker (SG) - Simmons def PG w/ Dinwiddie off floor
Thomas out for O'Neale (SF)
Claxton out for Sharpe (C)
Simmons out for Dinwiddie (PG)
DFS out for Bazley (PF)

2nd quarter
Dinwiddie-Walker-O'Neale-DFS-Claxton

Watford for O'Neale (PF / DFS to SF)
Thomas for Walker (SG)
Simmons for Dinwiddie (PG)
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
O'Neale for Watford (PF)
Bazley for DFS (PF, O'Neale to SF)

3rd quarter
Simmons-Dinwiddie-Thomas-DFS-Claxton
Bazley for Dinwiddie (PF / Thomas SG, DFS SF)
Walker for Thomas (SG)
Watford for DFS (PF, Bazley SF)
Dinwiddie for Simmons (PG)
O'Neale for Claxton (SF / Watford PF / Bazley C)

4th Quarter
Dinwiddie-Walker-O'Neale-Simmons-Sharpe
Watford for Simmons (PF)
Wilson for Dinwiddie (SF, Walker/O'Neale to PG?)
Clowney for Sharpe (C)
Brooks for O'Neale (PG)
Bazley for Walker (SF)

Closing lineup: Brooks-Wilson-Bazley-Watford-Clowney

Simmons mostly at PG in this one.
Can argue Simmons started at the 4, but sub patterns were conducive w/ PG / double PG lineups.
Bridges was the notable absence here (which won't happen often if ever), while Cam Johnson still hasn't played. This leads to some weird stuff like Bazley at the 3 (he and Watford are also playing for jobs).
Simmons had EIGHT turnovers in this one (and 5 fouls) so while it was his most extended look at PG, I wouldn't call it a positive performance.

[Luke Skywalker]

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Game 3

https://www.nba.com/game/phi-vs-bkn-0012300046/play-by-play

1st quarter
Simmons-Dinwiddie-Thomas-DFS-Claxton

Dinwiddie out for Walker (SG) - Simmons def PG w/ Dinwiddie off floor
Thomas out for O'Neale (SF)
Claxton out for Sharpe (C)
Simmons out for Dinwiddie (PG)
DFS out for Bazley (PF)

2nd quarter
Dinwiddie-Walker-O'Neale-DFS-Claxton

Watford for O'Neale (PF / DFS to SF)
Thomas for Walker (SG)
Simmons for Dinwiddie (PG)
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
O'Neale for Watford (PF)
Bazley for DFS (PF, O'Neale to SF)

3rd quarter
Simmons-Dinwiddie-Thomas-DFS-Claxton
Bazley for Dinwiddie (PF / Thomas SG, DFS SF)
Walker for Thomas (SG)
Watford for DFS (PF, Bazley SF)
Dinwiddie for Simmons (PG)
O'Neale for Claxton (SF / Watford PF / Bazley C)

4th Quarter
Dinwiddie-Walker-O'Neale-Simmons-Sharpe
Watford for Simmons (PF)
Wilson for Dinwiddie (SF, Walker/O'Neale to PG?)
Clowney for Sharpe (C)
Brooks for O'Neale (PG)
Bazley for Walker (SF)

Closing lineup: Brooks-Wilson-Bazley-Watford-Clowney

Simmons mostly at PG in this one.
Can argue Simmons started at the 4, but sub patterns were conducive w/ PG / double PG lineups.
Bridges was the notable absence here (which won't happen often if ever), while Cam Johnson still hasn't played. This leads to some weird stuff like Bazley at the 3 (he and Watford are also playing for jobs).
Simmons had EIGHT turnovers in this one (and 5 fouls) so while it was his most extended look at PG, I wouldn't call it a positive performance.

The bold here.

Going by my previous post right before Rashidi's - definitely should look at making Ben Simmons' Stamina low, maybe like 60. I am not a ratings expert, but that would be a good way to make him less dominant. Tire quickly.

MLB The Show does this with set-up pitchers and closers, they are really good, but have low stamina ratings, so you don't exploit the game and pitch with Mariano Rivera the entire time.

Coming from a casual gamer, non-roster editor, seems obvious to lower Stamina for players like this to emulate their real life counterpart.

[dwayne12345]

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Game 3 was certainly a very uneven disgusting game for the team as a whole. There were moments though like his turnaround fadeaway jumpshot from the elbow, and his no look between the legs relay bounce pass to the corner for the 3.


I would hold off on the stamina nerf though. It's preseason so it's hard to say what he'll look like in game 1 vs Cleveland.


We'll have a real good picture of where Ben is in the rotation and ability-wise when Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges, and Nic Claxton are all in the lineup with him.



Is the 5th starter going to be Dinwiddie, Cam Thomas, or DFS is my lingering question. A giant Ben Simmons/Dinwiddie back court does sound appealing after all these years of Nets tiny ball back courts.

[Real2KInsider]

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The bold here.

Going by my previous post right before Rashidi's - definitely should look at making Ben Simmons' Stamina low, maybe like 60. I am not a ratings expert, but that would be a good way to make him less dominant. Tire quickly.

Coming from a casual gamer, non-roster editor, seems obvious to lower Stamina for players like this to emulate their real life counterpart.

The stamina thing is not a great idea for a wide variety of reasons. The most important being Fatigue-based substitutions. Simmons playing fewer minutes isn't going to solve the on-court problem. It's just creating a different problem.

MLB The Show does this with set-up pitchers and closers, they are really good, but have low stamina ratings, so you don't exploit the game and pitch with Mariano Rivera the entire time.

A player averaging 28-35 MPG is not at all comparable to an MLB reliever.

Simmons isn't a late-30s veteran with health issues. This made sense for Alonzo Mourning post-Kidney issues. Or a 42-year old Vince Carter. A player going all-out because they know they're only getting 4-6 minute spurts. There will be quarters IRL where Simmons doesn't sub out.

[Luke Skywalker]

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The stamina thing is not a great idea for a wide variety of reasons. The most important being Fatigue-based substitutions. Simmons playing fewer minutes isn't going to solve the on-court problem. It's just creating a different problem.



A player averaging 28-35 MPG is not at all comparable to an MLB reliever.

Simmons isn't a late-30s veteran with health issues. This made sense for Alonzo Mourning post-Kidney issues. Or a 42-year old Vince Carter. A player going all-out because they know they're only getting 4-6 minute spurts. There will be quarters IRL where Simmons doesn't sub out.

Well, what is the metric you use for stamina? You can put anybody into a game for 35 minutes, with good or bad cardio vascular - your minutes per game should not show you have good stamina.

There has to be some sort of 'cosmetic' way to have Ben Simmons reflect his real life counterpart. I am pretty sure, even with your formulated ratings, I can go in and dominate with Ben like he his Giannis.