The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

[shylo3716]

When will 2K ever get it right with his attributes?

We know that the skill set is there, but he has not lived up to the pure dominant traits that makes him a monster in the game itself.

[jimbo3772]

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When will 2K ever get it right with his attributes?

We know that the skill set is there, but he has not lived up to the pure dominant traits that makes him a monster in the game itself.

Why would he dominate in 2K when he doesn't dominate in real life? He has played 42 games in 2 seasons and averaged 6.9 points per game. The guy is practically out of the league at this point. If he doesn't turn things around this season, that may be just about it for his career.

[sirdez]

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2k doesn't really cater for the sort of mental demons Ben has. Plus people forget how good he was in his first few years in Philly.

Physically he's a 6'10 point guard with incredible lateral movement and speed. How do you make someone like that not dominate in a video game? They almost need to reduce all of his scoring tendencies to 0.

[jk31]

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Why would he dominate in 2K when he doesn't dominate in real life? He has played 42 games in 2 seasons and averaged 6.9 points per game. The guy is practically out of the league at this point. If he doesn't turn things around this season, that may be just about it for his career.

ben simmons even with his current rating of 78 is a superstar in 2k. his size paired with his ballhandling and crazy athleticism (his Speed and lateral Quickness is over 90 if i recall it correctly) is just too much for this game. He can best anybody Off the dribble, and as soon as you get close to the paint He triggers insane layup/dunking Animations


in 13 seasons in our league (since nba 2k17) He averages 21 points, 7 rebounds and 8 assists on 69 % from the field.

[shylo3716]

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Why would he dominate in 2K when he doesn't dominate in real life? He has played 42 games in 2 seasons and averaged 6.9 points per game. The guy is practically out of the league at this point. If he doesn't turn things around this season, that may be just about it for his career.

Please go back to re-read my initial post, then re-read your response. Make it make sense.

[shylo3716]

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ben simmons even with his current rating of 78 is a superstar in 2k. his size paired with his ballhandling and crazy athleticism (his Speed and lateral Quickness is over 90 if i recall it correctly) is just too much for this game. He can best anybody Off the dribble, and as soon as you get close to the paint He triggers insane layup/dunking Animations


in 13 seasons in our league (since nba 2k17) He averages 21 points, 7 rebounds and 8 assists on 69 % from the field.

Bingo! My point exactly! My squad are the Nets, and I don’t even play with them on the game because it feels unrealistic with him on the roster.

[shylo3716]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

2k doesn't really cater for the sort of mental demons Ben has. Plus people forget how good he was in his first few years in Philly.

Physically he's a 6'10 point guard with incredible lateral movement and speed. How do you make someone like that not dominate in a video game? They almost need to reduce all of his scoring tendencies to 0.

A mental lapse/breakdown should fall under the IQ attribute.

[The 24th Letter]

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Rudy Gay, JR Smith and many others…

There will always be that guy who is a lot more effective in video games than he is in real life.

I feel like I’m cases like Ben, that’s where the consistency attribute should be key.


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[Real2KInsider]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

When will 2K ever get it right with his attributes?

We know that the skill set is there, but he has not lived up to the pure dominant traits that makes him a monster in the game itself.

At PG he causes huge problems to the AI because it uses player height to determine mismatches. At 6'10" anytime he goes up against someone 6 inches shorter the AI will treat it as a scoring opportunity. Even 6'4" Marcus Smart will trigger it.

At PF/C he has the Giannis problem. His athletic ratings allow for separation and easy finishes at the rim.

Dunks are significantly easier to trigger in 2K than they are IRL (and more effective as well).
A ground pounder like Nikola Jokic is just a ****ty Ben Simmons as a result. That isn't going to change anytime soon, it will always be a fabric of the game.

[dwayne12345]

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At PG he causes huge problems to the AI because it uses player height to determine mismatches. At 6'10" anytime he goes up against someone 6 inches shorter the AI will treat it as a scoring opportunity. Even 6'4" Marcus Smart will trigger it.

At PF/C he has the Giannis problem. His athletic ratings allow for separation and easy finishes at the rim.

Dunks are significantly easier to trigger in 2K than they are IRL (and more effective as well).
A ground pounder like Nikola Jokic is just a ****ty Ben Simmons as a result. That isn't going to change anytime soon, it will always be a fabric of the game.

His ratings are not accurate to how he's played in Brooklyn. His back issues has made him an extremely poor finisher in the past year. He misses easy layups often IRL. To make Ben Simmons more realistic you would need to drop his vertical, hustle, close shot, and driving layup ratings into the 60s.
With that said maybe he comes back this year with a healthy back and makes 2k look like truth tellers.

[tru11]

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His ratings are not accurate to how he's played in Brooklyn. His back issues has made him an extremely poor finisher in the past year. He misses easy layups often IRL. To make Ben Simmons more realistic you would need to drop his vertical, hustle, close shot, and driving layup ratings into the 60s.
With that said maybe he comes back this year with a healthy back and makes 2k look like truth tellers.

Injuries already affect player ratings in 2K.
They will drop depending on the severity of the injury.

When healthy Simmons wether you like him or hate him is a game breaking specimen.

That he mentally cant make the most of it , is nothing something that can be accounted for except maybe by tendencies.

However tendencies dont matter when user controlled.


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[dwayne12345]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Injuries already affect player ratings in 2K.
They will drop depending on the severity of the injury.

When healthy Simmons wether you like him or hate him is a game breaking specimen.

That he mentally cant make the most of it , is nothing something that can be accounted for except maybe by tendencies.

However tendencies dont matter when user controlled.


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Back issues aren't one of those things that are healthy/not healthy. If you remember, Larry Bird in the early 90s is a good example of you'll never be healthy once the back issues begin. This could be a permanent regression for Ben.



As a Nets fan I'm rooting for modern medicine and training regimens making a difference, but there isn't historical precedent for full recovery from back issues.


It's not a healthy vs not healthy thing. There's a real chance that this is the new Ben Simmons. Excuse my pessimism, I'm a jaded long time Nets fan who expects bad things to happen to this team.

[tru11]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Back issues aren't one of those things that are healthy/not healthy. If you remember, Larry Bird in the early 90s is a good example of you'll never be healthy once the back issues begin. This could be a permanent regression for Ben.



As a Nets fan I'm rooting for modern medicine and training regimens making a difference, but there isn't historical precedent for full recovery from back issues.


It's not a healthy vs not healthy thing. There's a real chance that this is the new Ben Simmons. Excuse my pessimism, I'm a jaded long time Nets fan who expects bad things to happen to this team.

Its possible.
Pretty much the same with bigs who get foot or knee injuries.

Modern medicine wont be able to solve that.

If simmons actually plays games this season and shows the regression , his ratings will get a hit.

Especially if he is labeled healthy.


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[Real2KInsider]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

His ratings are not accurate to how he's played in Brooklyn. His back issues has made him an extremely poor finisher in the past year. He misses easy layups often IRL. To make Ben Simmons more realistic you would need to drop his vertical, hustle, close shot, and driving layup ratings into the 60s.
With that said maybe he comes back this year with a healthy back and makes 2k look like truth tellers.

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Full Rating Breakdown

Ben Simmons
Position: C/PF (from C/PG)
H/W/A: 6'10" / 240 / Age 26
80 Overall (+2)
22 Badges (+2)
Archetype: 2-Way Diming Finisher (from 2-Way Slashing Playmaker)

OFFENSE
80 (NC) Driving Layup: 52-89 FG (58 FG%, 60 AST%, 2.9 FGA/36)
45 (-28) Post Fade (0.0 Fade/36)
85 (+9) Post Hook (2.1 Hook/36)
75 (-3) Post Control (1.5 Post Touch/36)
60 (+10) Draw Foul (0.243 FTR)
93 (+2) Close Shot: 61-131 FG (47 FG%, 51 AST%, 4.3 FGA/36)
46 (NC) Mid-Range Shot: 0-1 FG
49 (-1) 3PT Shot: 0-2 FG
59 (+4) Free Throw: 25-57 FT (44 FT% / 59% Career)
70 (-16) Ball Handle: 0.0 PNR/36 (!!!!!), 0.7 ISO/36
79 (-7) Pass Vision (31.3 AST%)
80 (NC) Pass IQ
80 (+1) Pass Accuracy
46 (-1) Offensive Rebound (4.2 ORB%)
70 (-13) Driving Dunk: 32-37 FG (87 FG%, 81 AST%, 1.2 FGA/36)
75 (-11) Standing Dunk
50 (+20) Shot IQ
75 (NC) Hands (Worth noting this was 98 at start of 2K23)

DEFENSE
80 (-1) Defensive Rebound (22.2 DRB%)
70 (-9) Interior Defense
75 (-9) Perimeter Defense
54 (-5) Block (1.9 BLK%
79 (+6) Steal (2.4 STL%)

ATHLETICISM
80 (-3) Lateral Quickness
85 (-7) Speed
80 (-4) Speed w/ Ball
80 (-12) Acceleration
85 (NC) Vertical (Max Vert Prior to injury: 41.5)
80 (NC) Strength (6'10" / 240)
85 (-12) Stamina (28 MPG as Starter)
95 (+15) Hustle (3.6 Deflections/36)
55 (-31) Durability (57% Possible GP)

MENTAL
50 (+20) Offensive Consistency (-2.2 OBPM)
95 (+10) Defensive Consistency (2.6 DBPM)
80 (+5) Pass Perception
80 (-4) Help Defense
70 (+45) Intangibles (leads to +3 OVR)

Most of 2Ks rating adjustment is tanking his Shot IQ and Offensive Consistency, because for years Stauffer has outright refused to figure out a system to measure higher impact ratings like Ball Handle and Speed.

BADGES
FINISHING (5)
BRONZE: Aerial Wizard (+1), Bully, Fast Twitch, Posterizer (+1), Rise Up (+1)
REMOVE: Acrobat (-1), Fearless Finisher (-1), Pro Touch (-1), Slithery (-1)

Replace Layup badges with Dunking badges.

SHOOTING (0)

PLAYMAKING (7)
SILVER: Break Starter, Dimer (+2)
BRONZE: Bail Out, Needle Threader (+1), Post Playmaker (+1), Special Delivery, Vice Grip
REMOVE: Clamp Breaker (-2), Quick First Step (-1)

How Simmons has shot creation badges but no Passing badges is anyone's guess.

DEFENSE (10)
SILVER: Interceptor (+1)
BRONZE: Boxout Beast (+1), Challenger, Chase Down Artist, Clamps, Glove (+1), Menace, Off-Ball Pest, Pick Dodger, Rebound Chaser (+1)
REMOVE: Ankle Braces (-2)

Many of these were graded higher in 2021 (by 2K and myself).

Back issues aren't one of those things that are healthy/not healthy. If you remember, Larry Bird in the early 90s is a good example of you'll never be healthy once the back issues begin. This could be a permanent regression for Ben.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/05/...s%20and%20pain.

Dwight Howard, Michael Porter Jr. and Brook Lopez on the list of NBA players who've undergone a microdiscectomy

Lopez came back at a DPOY level but it took a year. He played 78 games at Age 34.
Porter is one of the best shooters in the world.

Dwight is the best parallel because he relied on his athleticism to dominate. He was still a plus rebounder & defender, but his offensive role & effectiveness diminished. Some of that could be expected from his natural aging curve, the back maybe robbed him 2 years earlier than would otherwise have been expected.

I can see Simmons recovering his body but he will never regain his Philly role. He is just not a Point Guard. His P&R game was barely there even in the good years, which makes him very difficult to build around schematically.

In a perfect world you'd want him to be a mini-Giannis but in practice his total lack of skill development in 6 years prevents him from getting there. Giannis (Career 36% Mid, 29% 3PT) was at least TAKING jumpers from the start of his career and his willingness to take them is what keeps defenses honest enough for his physical gifts to take over.

Blake Griffin was becoming more of a finesse player at this age, doing more off the dribble and taking more jumpers to compensate for his declining athleticism and Simmons is just nowhere near capable.

The best case is he's able to carve a Draymond Green type role but Simmons isn't that level of team defender especially on the interior.

Simmons will still have a long career but the issue and criticism stems from he's overpaid 3-5x what he's worth (if not more). Once he's making 3M like Andre Drummond no one will care about his flaws.

[AIRJ23]

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I feel like 2K thought Ben Simmons was gonna be a better version of LeBron and hard coded him as such. Heat the crazy dunks they’d have him doing when he doesn’t do anything like that in real life.

On a personal level he’s an absolute joke.