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  • bo.jangles344
    Banned
    • Jun 2013
    • 1007

    #1

    2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

    I am a long-time fan of this series... I've been playing it since NBA2K on N64. I'm 28 years old and have been watching basketball all my life. I've actually refrained from making this thread several times as I, myself, have told people to quit complaining and play the game several times. I honestly can't stand these threads because it seems we get a million of them every year and people don't ever stop buying the game.

    When MyPlayer was introduced in 2K10 my idea of what a basketball game could and should be drastically changed. Before then I only played Association and I would create my PG, put him on the worst team in the league, and build up my team to help me win a championship. I used to get tired of it, restart the season, and try again. I loved the way the game played, but never really got a chance to immerse myself in the experience.

    Once MyPlayer came out, that all changed. I've also been a fantasy RPG fan for most of my gaming days and it felt like 2K was combining my 2 favorite genres. When you would pick a team that you wanted to play for and be a walk-on and had to fight for even a spot on the roster - lest you be sent to the d-league - it was an awesome experience.

    In comes 2k11 and the rookie combine and the summer league. They honestly improved the experience so much that I would try countless times to get to my Mavericks and be the star on my team to once again try and bring a championship to my favorite team.

    The biggest problem, and the reason I kept restarting all the time was that I never understood why my teammates were so horrible. Even though they said they'd improved the AI, the game was just unplayable for the most part. BUT this was the year that you could have all the Jordan dunks so instead of trying to get my player on the Mavs I decided I'd join the Knicks and be the white Jordan in NY. If I was going to have horrible teammates, I'd play on the worst team. Just like in 2K8 and 2K9.

    2K12... Not even going to go there.

    2K13 - Once again, never understood how my teammate AI was so terrible and found myself playing Blacktop almost exclusively. However, with the introduction of VC and the inability to block dunks I had a sour taste in my mouth almost all year because I was never a rich man and once I eventually maxed out my player I'd ruined the MyCareer experience because it had become too easy. Also, I was playing on PS3 and they never fixed the crashing issue when joining a game with friends. I'd restart my PS3 10 times in a night.

    Now, 2K14 for PS3 was fun for a bit... But I was playing the same game as last year with blocked dunks and felt anxious the whole time because the PS4 was coming out and I just never got settled.

    Once I finally got my copy for PS4 I was thrilled at first. I spent 2 weeks straight on the game and most exclusively on the Park. I made some friends, maxed out my player with $10 to even the odds and less than a month later became bored.

    There's simply no excuse for how horrible the gameplay has deteriorated over the years. The players on 2k11 felt so much more fluid and defense was so much better that I don't understand how or why it's gotten so bad.

    Remember the Pick and Roll on 2k11? It was so easy, right on d-pad and X. It was SO effective that my older brother decided to make a point one night and beat me on 12 minute quarters by running the pick and roll almost every play. It sucked... but in myplayer it was so useful for a SG or PG to run the offense since plays have always been broken.

    But this year, my player feels like he's in quicksand. He misses shots he should make. He flogs dunks when the lane is wide open because the computer feels like I'm about to make a run. The worst players online are Gods because they have a maxed out 3 and the most effective releases in the world. Combine that with Deadeye and Shotcreator and literally all they have to do to win on the Park is jack 3's right in your face. You can be standing right in front of them and they'll still make 60% of those shots. Balls come off the rim and sail right over your head when you're boxing out and go right to the other team if they've had a run the last 2 possessions. There's so much wrong with the game that for the first time in 14 years I'm done playing for this year. This has never happened for me.

    In all the times that I've restarted I've found reasons to keep playing. I've decided that this year's iteration is so awful and the fact that we have so much better hardware than iterations past, it's literally an insult to us as a consumer.

    There is a bevy of problems that have been mentioned before and in greater detail, but the point that I'm trying to make is that how in the hell does the series get WORSE over time? Madden's issue is that they don't improve enough every year, not that it gets worse because the company is greedy and they know you're going to buy it anyway. They don't have their VC for every single game mode and make it so hard to come by that people have to buy it or cheat to get it.

    We as consumers should, but won't boycott this game and I think that is an injustice to the people who have been loyal to this franchise year in and year out. We're the reason they don't have any serious competition anymore and they just don't care.

    If you're like me, I'll be sad to see anyone buy next year's game unless they re-vamp the ai, give Association players their control they've been complaining about all year, give us Crew, and tone down the cost of VC.

    I can't even change my socks this year.

    Wtf is that?

    Come on 2k...
  • Mintsa
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6668

    #2
    Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

    NBA2k was not on N64......just saying......

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    • XXstormmXX
      MVP
      • Aug 2013
      • 1751

      #3
      Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

      2K should be ashamed.... But that would require them to have a heart so no.
      INACTIVE

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      • Rubio809
        Pro
        • Oct 2012
        • 687

        #4
        Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

        Really? I thought 2K13 was pretty solid WITH the right sliders/rosters.
        PS5

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        • SPRINGS03
          MVP
          • Aug 2012
          • 1202

          #5
          Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

          Originally posted by Mintsa
          NBA2k was not on N64......just saying......
          Yeah, this. You lost me there, sounds like you're trying too hard. The game has a ton of problems and 2k needs to step up no doubt. But you sound like you're trying too hard to make yourself sound like a hardcore 2k player. And this is coming from someone who played it since it was on dreamcast with allen iverson on the cover, back when you had to use the triggers to center the bars around the ball to shoot free throws. Free throw shooting was soo much harder back then lol.

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          • bo.jangles344
            Banned
            • Jun 2013
            • 1007

            #6
            Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

            Originally posted by Mintsa
            NBA2k was not on N64......just saying......
            You're right. Lol guess I'm getting that old. Got it confused with live 2000. Funny thing is I've been saying this for years. Buddy had a dream cast so that's where the mix up was I guess.

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            • bo.jangles344
              Banned
              • Jun 2013
              • 1007

              #7
              Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

              Originally posted by SPRINGS03
              Yeah, this. You lost me there, sounds like you're trying too hard. The game has a ton of problems and 2k needs to step up no doubt. But you sound like you're trying too hard to make yourself sound like a hardcore 2k player. And this is coming from someone who played it since it was on dreamcast with allen iverson on the cover, back when you had to use the triggers to center the bars around the ball to shoot free throws. Free throw shooting was soo much harder back then lol.
              Yep. Trying too hard. Got me.

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              • TGG
                Rookie
                • Sep 2012
                • 131

                #8
                Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                Your right and nba 2k3 seems untill now still the most realistisch game, after that it went downhill

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                • flyer1985
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 722

                  #9
                  Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                  That's your fault for playing online and expecting a fun game. I understand that they need to fix the servers and the guys who play it are absolutely horrible. However, that said, the quick games, with the right sliders, can be very fun. The graphics are so much better and the gameplay is pretty damn good. But quick games get boring after a while so I'm with you
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                  • HowDareI
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1900

                    #10
                    Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                    Originally posted by flyer1985
                    That's your fault for playing online and expecting a fun game. I understand that they need to fix the servers and the guys who play it are absolutely horrible. However, that said, the quick games, with the right sliders, can be very fun. The graphics are so much better and the gameplay is pretty damn good. But quick games get boring after a while so I'm with you
                    No no no no no no.

                    Please stop having this mindset, not just you, everyone.

                    Playing against another human that plays unrealistic basketball should not be excused in any way, let alone rewarded in-game. 2K needs to address the issue first and foremost if they're pushing modes like Park and MyTeam so hard. Online cheese is worse than it's ever been and I been playing online since 2K8...this year I literally refuse to play quick games because of how fake the basketball is.
                    I don't wanna be Jordan, I don't wanna be Bird or Isiah, I don't wanna be any of those guys.
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                    • Jujuwebe
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 178

                      #11
                      Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                      Originally posted by HowDareI
                      No no no no no no.

                      Please stop having this mindset, not just you, everyone.

                      Playing against another human that plays unrealistic basketball should not be excused in any way, let alone rewarded in-game. 2K needs to address the issue first and foremost if they're pushing modes like Park and MyTeam so hard. Online cheese is worse than it's ever been and I been playing online since 2K8...this year I literally refuse to play quick games because of how fake the basketball is.
                      Exactly. I can't like this post enough!
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                      • spankdatazz22
                        All Star
                        • May 2003
                        • 6219

                        #12
                        Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                        Originally posted by HowDareI
                        No no no no no no.

                        Please stop having this mindset, not just you, everyone.

                        Playing against another human that plays unrealistic basketball should not be excused in any way, let alone rewarded in-game. 2K needs to address the issue first and foremost if they're pushing modes like Park and MyTeam so hard. Online cheese is worse than it's ever been and I been playing online since 2K8...this year I literally refuse to play quick games because of how fake the basketball is.
                        There still needs to be some responsibility to the player - imo you can't just get mad at the game because it's never going to perfectly mimic reality. You're basically sitting back and taking no responsibility yourself in being more subjective in who you choose to play. In real life, players across any sport try to cheat and gain every advantage they can to win. In fact, it gets celebrated much of the time (Detroit Piston Bad Boys, Oakland Raiders, etc.). Yet for whatever reason some think online that shouldn't be the case. Real life isn't perfect so people shouldn't expect it in a videogame of all things.

                        I'm not saying 2K shouldn't constantly shoot to make the gameplay better, just saying as long as you have a game that gives you tons of options, it's difficult to account for every variable. And it's not like 2K or any other developer doesn't do anything to try to curb cheesey exploits; I remember back in 2K11 people cherry picked to no end. The next year they fixed it. Last year you had that silly 3pt shot glitch - it was addressed this year. Cheese to some degree is always going to be arbitrary anyway. Personally I don't play online much because I HATE when someone goes in and immediately starts zeroing or maxing out sliders, or setting every player to double team or some other exploit. But I understand that's my pet peeve - I don't expect everyone to play as I want to play. In a perfect world perhaps the game should be able to compensate for people choosing to play the game in a silly manner. But there's no way to account for everything stupid someone may choose to do online; 2K or any other developer will always be a step behind.
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                        • Isokobe
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 4

                          #13
                          Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                          Originally posted by spankdatazz22
                          There still needs to be some responsibility to the player - imo you can't just get mad at the game because it's never going to perfectly mimic reality. You're basically sitting back and taking no responsibility yourself in being more subjective in who you choose to play. In real life, players across any sport try to cheat and gain every advantage they can to win. In fact, it gets celebrated much of the time (Detroit Piston Bad Boys, Oakland Raiders, etc.). Yet for whatever reason some think online that shouldn't be the case. Real life isn't perfect so people shouldn't expect it in a videogame of all things.

                          I'm not saying 2K shouldn't constantly shoot to make the gameplay better, just saying as long as you have a game that gives you tons of options, it's difficult to account for every variable. And it's not like 2K or any other developer doesn't do anything to try to curb cheesey exploits; I remember back in 2K11 people cherry picked to no end. The next year they fixed it. Last year you had that silly 3pt shot glitch - it was addressed this year. Cheese to some degree is always going to be arbitrary anyway. Personally I don't play online much because I HATE when someone goes in and immediately starts zeroing or maxing out sliders, or setting every player to double team or some other exploit. But I understand that's my pet peeve - I don't expect everyone to play as I want to play. In a perfect world perhaps the game should be able to compensate for people choosing to play the game in a silly manner. But there's no way to account for everything stupid someone may choose to do online; 2K or any other developer will always be a step behind.
                          Read the first paragraph then the second paragraph. Hypocrite, amirite? All joking aside, yeah I guess you are right. We deserve some of the blame (not me though). I guess we are a bunch of annoyingly cheesy people in real life and it shows in the 30 minutes we spend together without saying a word to each other.

                          The truth is 2k does not fix on line games because that is where we want to spend the majority of our time. We would not care about building the best super team or the best create a player in the game which costs time and money. We would be enjoying the game enough without spending time grinding for vc/mt points/farming and especially, the money which is ultimately what every company wants. 2k is no different. They dont care about whether or not you enjoy the game. In fact, studies have proven the most gamers quit playing the game once it gets too easy. They get bored and move on to the next challenge.

                          This system 2k is using is explained in a popular ted talk video entitled escaping video game addiction. He is not the first one to explain this study. I recommend watching it because it is universal and applies to every video game.

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                          • HowDareI
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1900

                            #14
                            Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                            Originally posted by spankdatazz22
                            There still needs to be some responsibility to the player
                            For sure, I'm not saying there's not gonna be (for the lack of a better word) a-holes playing any game, not just 2K. But there's still a certain degree 2K should hold themselves to to try and make the exploits a little less exploitable.

                            I mean if 3 point shots were toned down just a bit, so I'm not constantly having shots hit in my face because someone has deadeye that wouldn't be as bad. If defenders were laterally quicker than a player with the ball, it wouldn't be as bad when a guy's running back and forth getting open someone.
                            If when I try and throw a wide-open pass from like half court and my guy didn't run out of bounds, meanwhile people throw a full-court pass next possession into coverage and somehow actually make the catch?...wouldn't be so mad.
                            If I'm playing park getting spammed by 3 guys smashing the steal button and I get stripped..then I try and do it and instantly get a foul called...

                            I could go on and on, you see what I mean tho? There just needs to be more consistency in what you can and can't do, what does and doesn't work. 2K needs to really sit down and play their game before it comes out and see what they think could be exploited and brainstorm ways to combat it. Or just come on here and get some opinions..I mean we play the game, we know what's wrong with it.
                            I don't wanna be Jordan, I don't wanna be Bird or Isiah, I don't wanna be any of those guys.
                            I want to look in the mirror and say I did it my way.

                            -Allen Iverson

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                            • bo.jangles344
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1007

                              #15
                              Re: 2K Sports should be embarrassed by this game.

                              I applaud the man above me.

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