Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

[jfsolo]

We don't know yet what it means when they say that next gen NBA 2K has been rebuilt from the ground up, but passing should be radically different if it is actually a true total rebuild.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Quote: Originally Posted by kirkangil

It seems you get penalized for passing more than you do for over dribbling. Defenders can cover to much ground and do not suffer a big enough penalty for spamming. Constantly spamming should result in heavy stamina loss and loss of position and leaving your man wide open. It's so frustrating making simple passes that should be considered safe but someone has an interceptor badge on they can take away a whole side of a court and cover so much ground.

It's even worse going against a zone defense. you have 0 control over your passes and they are straight lines to the defenders hands.


If intercepting was as real as this game makes it out to be, the playground game of monkey in the middle would have the monkey snatching the ball out of the air every single time. Complete stupidity.

[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cowboyfan_19

It's even worse going against a zone defense. you have 0 control over your passes and they are straight lines to the defenders hands.

Def agree with this. Zero pass arc makes passing vs zones (the way you beat them) super risky:

PJ is in the paint but "one-hands" a pass to the far corner here:



Unnecessary jumping animation prevents us from catching zone in a bad rotation:



Horford WIDE OPEN but Scott passes right to the defender:



Horford WIDE OPEN in the corner but Embiid passes right to defender:

[keshunleon]

Passing is BAD!

Majority of the passes are behind the receiver, that one handed reach back catch animation that causes clipping happens too often.

There are 1 or 2 catch animations that will stop the player even though its a lead pass.

[BasketBalla21]

It's a problem if you don't have a gameplan. If you actually put your players in the right spots and use proper teamwork and timing zones are easily beaten. Passing around the perimeter does not beat an aggressive zone. Long defenders can gap their man and still catch a pass to the corner(Kawhi makes a living off of this).

The only reason it SEEMS like zone has OP passing lane defense is because Man 2 Man passing lane defense was nerfed. When you activate zone defense all help defenders watch and face the ball handler. This gives them access to better animations to steal the ball. Man 2 man defense forces off-ball defenders to watch the player they are defending. So even if you time the steal correctly they will most likely just tip it out off bounds or not even reach the ball.

An aggressive zone isn't beaten with just spacing, it's beaten with proper teamwork and timing. It's not the game's fault your passes are getting stolen, it's the player's.

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

Def agree with this. Zero pass arc makes passing vs zones (the way you beat them) super risky: PJ is in the paint but "one-hands" a pass to the far corner here: Unnecessary jumping animation prevents us from catching zone in a bad rotation: Horford WIDE OPEN but Scott passes right to the defender: Horford WIDE OPEN in the corner but Embiid passes right to defender:

Exactly! I had a game recently where I lost by twenty to a zone where I kept making the right reads on passing (especially skip passing) but still ended up with 16 turnovers, most of which came on skip passes that were magically picked out of the air by McCollum and Lillard, even though their receivers were nowhere near where the ball ended up!

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by BasketBalla21

It's a problem if you don't have a gameplan. If you actually put your players in the right spots and use proper teamwork and timing zones are easily beaten. Passing around the perimeter does not beat an aggressive zone. Long defenders can gap their man and still catch a pass to the corner(Kawhi makes a living off of this). The only reason it SEEMS like zone has OP passing lane defense is because Man 2 Man passing lane defense was nerfed. When you activate zone defense all help defenders watch and face the ball handler. This gives them access to better animations to steal the ball. Man 2 man defense forces off-ball defenders to watch the player they are defending. So even if you time the steal correctly they will most likely just tip it out off bounds or not even reach the ball. An aggressive zone isn't beaten with just spacing, it's beaten with proper teamwork and timing. It's not the game's fault your passes are getting stolen, it's the player's.

I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. Even with proper teamwork and timing, these aggressive zones come up with far too many turnovers against correct passing decisions. Further, I'm not sure where you're seeing Man defenses being nerfed in terms of passing lane INTs? It's widely known (at least in the MyTeam community) that playing the lanes is the single most effective defensive strategy in the game. You can make all the right reads-- send backdoors all night because they're specifically guarding against the three-point line-- but still have double digit turnovers all because the passer chooses to send it straight into the defender's hands, even while he's behind the cutter.

I'm not sure we're playing the same game, friend.

Edit to add: In all of Kushmir's videos, he has a game plan. He's making the exact right read. The AI just isn't choosing the right pass. That's an issue.

[BasketBalla21]

Quote: Originally Posted by mb625

I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. Even with proper teamwork and timing, these aggressive zones come up with far too many turnovers against correct passing decisions. Further, I'm not sure where you're seeing Man defenses being nerfed in terms of passing lane INTs? It's widely known (at least in the MyTeam community) that playing the lanes is the single most effective defensive strategy in the game. You can make all the right reads-- send backdoors all night because they're specifically guarding against the three-point line-- but still have double digit turnovers all because the passer chooses to send it straight into the defender's hands, even while he's behind the cutter. I'm not sure we're playing the same game, friend.

I'm sure many of you think you're making the right decisions, but you're either not, or your timing is way off.