Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

[mb625]

Even things like this happen too often. It's fairly clear that, in this situation, I'm trying to pass to Doumboya at the FT Line. 2k's AI does not agree. Now, a pass to Doumboya might have been dangerous, but it was certainly a heck of a lot better decision than the pass to Bagley I actually got. These kinds of things happen far too often.

https://www.twitch.tv/mbless1415/cli...=all&sort=time

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by BasketBalla21

If there is a set defender ready to steal the ball then the player is not wide open and most likely the pass shouldn't be made. There is a lob pass but lob passes float. That is why coaches teach against cross court passes. Can you get away with it if the defender isn't paying attention? Sure, but the defenders in 2k while playing zone always pay attention to passing lanes. So throwing those passes is a bad habit you get from playing against other people(and the cpu) with bad habits. You can't arc a pass when you're posting up on the opposite box by the baseline. If you want to pass from the post you post up in the middle of the floor. Passing over/through 3 defenders is never encouraged. All I see are bad habits and bad timing.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2019/1...boston-celtics

Take a look at the first example GIF here. Here we find a "set defender," even closer to the offensive player in the corner than Davis is in the 2k example. Luka makes the pass. Why? because he chose the correct pass (a lob over a flatfooted defender, who, by the way was PAYING ATTENTION, but still didn't predict the correct pass!) and didn't get sucked into some weird, straight-at-the-defender-in-front-of-you thing. Why is it too much to ask for the AI to simply choose the correct pass when two defenders are that close?

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by BasketBalla21

If there is a set defender ready to steal the ball then the player is not wide open and most likely the pass shouldn't be made. There is a lob pass but lob passes float. That is why coaches teach against cross court passes. Can you get away with it if the defender isn't paying attention? Sure, but the defenders in 2k while playing zone always pay attention to passing lanes. So throwing those passes is a bad habit you get from playing against other people(and the cpu) with bad habits. You can't arc a pass when you're posting up on the opposite box by the baseline. If you want to pass from the post you post up in the middle of the floor. Passing over/through 3 defenders is never encouraged. All I see are bad habits and bad timing.

Jokic in this first clip is another great example. Three "set defenders" who all could make a play. They don't, because Jokic chose the correct pass.

[tru11]

Quote: Originally Posted by mb625

Those clips don't demonstrate "bad habits." They demonstrate instances in which the AI, not necessarily the user, chose the wrong pass. Set defenders or no, when you've got a player that wide open, no NBA player is tossing it right into the defenders hands. They're smart enough to choose the right type of pass for the situation. Icon passing seems to hinder that ability. There's a way through those defenders with Horford underneath the basket. There's a way to avoid Davis' hands with Horford in the corner. The AI didn't choose to find that way. Instead, it threw it to the opponent's hands instead of where it was supposed to go. I've had it happen countless times to me this year, where I beat the user defender on a backdoor cut, let go of triangle when my player has a step and... the AI throws behind him straight to the defender. Again, if those defenders make a play, and you're right, they absolutely can, that's fantastic. The user defender switches to Davis in the clip with Horford in the corner and steps out to steal the pass going around him? Great! That's perfectly fine. But as it stands, the AI is throwing the ball to the defender rather than the intended target, and there's no amount of reading the game that's going to fix that. Edit: It should also be noted that we're not coming from a place of "the game cheated me in x, y and z way." We're coming from a place that wants this game simply to behave in a true to life manner. My passer shouldn't be throwing it straight to a defender fifteen feet away from the intended target. Period. You shouldn't just be able to sit in a zone and miraculously be able to have a chance to intercept a pass regardless of which target it's thrown to (which I've legitimately seen players sitting in "center field" spamming steal and getting a favorable outcome regardless of the intended target). Just as their real life counterparts need to make the right decision to make the play, so do defenders in this game, as long as we cannot have complete control over pass types.

Different type of passes have different button imputs.

If you use the wrong type of pass its your fault and not the AI.

Nba players turn the ball over all the time as well.

A game without a single turnover is rare.

I recommend icon passing with lead passing off and adjusting the pass target profile to what works for you.

Pno or jrc i have little issue completing passes even with my 36 pass rating on my interior force.
Silver needle thread helps though as it makes the pass go faster giving defenders less to react.



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[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by tru11

Different type of passes have different button imputs. If you use the wrong type of pass its your fault and not the AI. Nba players turn the ball over all the time as well. A game without a single turnover is rare. I recommend icon passing with lead passing off and adjusting the pass target profile to what works for you. Pno or jrc i have little issue completing passes even with my 36 pass rating on my interior force. Silver needle thread helps though as it makes the pass go faster giving defenders less to react. Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

With "bait" defensive strategies, I have to leave Icons on Total Receiver Control to prevent bad cuts already. I cannot control when my passer chooses to send it straight to the defender's chest vs. throwing it to where the receiver legitimately is. We're not asking for there never to be any turnovers. They should just be realistic. You make the right pass, but the defender makes the right play? Great! I make a wrong read (like here: https://www.twitch.tv/mbless1415/cli...ll&sort=time)? Hey, you bet that oughta be a Turnover.

But when you're making the right read, no one is nearby the pass receiver and your passer chooses to send it straight to the defender's chest instead, like in the clip with Embiid? Nope. That should not happen. Don't make this any harder on the passer than it already is with OP passing lane steals and bad AI cuts and decisions.

EDIT: Note also, that this isn't about the Rec. This is in a 5 v. 5 setting where you can only control one at a time. I've had little issue with passing in the Rec.

[keshunleon]

Quote: Originally Posted by tru11

Different type of passes have different button imputs. If you use the wrong type of pass its your fault and not the AI. Nba players turn the ball over all the time as well. A game without a single turnover is rare. I recommend icon passing with lead passing off and adjusting the pass target profile to what works for you. Pno or jrc i have little issue completing passes even with my 36 pass rating on my interior force. Silver needle thread helps though as it makes the pass go faster giving defenders less to react. Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

What are you talking about?

We don't determine what types of passes happen. I'll have a wide open player and pass the ball and the player tries to throw it through the defender and not around.

In certain situations 2K has predetermined passes, I've done a bounce pass and get a regular pass.

A chest pass but we get an over head pass.

A wrap around pass but we get a chess pass.

A one hand pass off the dribble but we get the dribbler picking up the ball stopping all the momentum to throw a 2 handed pass switching from the right hand to make a bad pass.

Give us control of our passes: tap, hold, or the better passers pick the best passes.

[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by UravenzownU

Lol there a reason no nba team plays zone consistently irl

Or gives up corner threes. In reality they guard the best shot in basketball SUPER AGGRESSIVELY...in 2K it can't hurt you consistently so we see zones from most of the "elite" players

Every year someone comes in telling us we're doing everything wrong...do what I do. Laugh it off.

[BasketBalla21]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

Or gives up corner threes. In reality they guard the best shot in basketball SUPER AGGRESSIVELY.

That is so wrong it's not even funny....