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  • HBKSean216
    Banned
    • Apr 2019
    • 530

    #1

    There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

    I don't even know what to start with but there's so many things wrong with this game that's it's absolutely embarrassing for a major publisher/developer to ignore fixing them and flat out not even acknowledging them. There's the plethora of gameplay issues that I don't have to elaborate on. Like the godlike finishing ability 90% of the builds have.The game being 99% reliant on fixed animations that the user doesn't have control of. A horrific contest system that's been broken for half a decade now. And much more...

    But the non gameplay related issues:

    Rec stats during player intros. This has been an issue since 2k18. Everyone shows 0.0 for all stats. Is it game breaking? No. But it takes away from the experience and it's a joke that it hasn't been fixed 4 years later.

    Friends still don't show up at top of list on phone (Xbox. Apparently PS5 fixed this a long time ago). If a friend isn't near me it's so lovely having to scroll down to the X's.

    Not sure how this is on PS5 but on Xbox the loading times were so amazingly fast the first month. Joined a friend invite to the rec or city and boom 10 seconds later I am there next to them. The game itself loaded up to the main menu very fast as well. Now? I sit there for 45-60 seconds staring at Zion before I am at the main menu. Joining a friend is hit or miss but either way it's definitely slower. Sometimes it will hop around a couple random screens while loading and then 30 seconds later you appear. Try leaving the rec back to the city. LMAO. You can hear the city but you can't see **** for 30-40 seconds.

    There's a bunch more I want to touch on 1 more that is so unacceptable that it's hilarious. So I have created a couple ProAm teams. The latest one I made was last week sometime but we haven't actually played a game in ProAm on that team. Zero games. Zero 5v5 and zero 3v3 games. But our record now shows 0-27. Each day there are more losses added on. We arent't playing but they are adding someone's losses to our team record lmao. What's even funnier is when you check last 10 games... there is only 4 game results in there. So according to our ProAm info we are 0-27 (and counting) with only 4 game results showing.... makes sense. To reiterate, my actually team hasn't stepped foot on a ProAm floor yet with this team. My brothers team shows 0-93 because losses keep on showing up each day.I know this isnt just an outlier incident either. Every single person I have talked to has told me their team shows the same type of stats. I attached images of this stuff too.

    TL;DR ... There are a ton of little things in this game that take away from the experience. They are things that can be fixed easily and quickly but they go ignored and unacknowledged. They always talk about how they want to listen to the community to try and make the game that we want blah blah blah but I still see the same issues for years now that people have to complain about annually to them on social media. The lack of care for the consumer is egregious.
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  • strosdood
    MVP
    • Nov 2020
    • 1162

    #2
    Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

    How do u KNOW these are easy fixes? How many years have u worked in video game development? What is your qualification for making this claim? Just curious


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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #3
      Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

      The stat tracking across the board the MyPlayer modes is jacked up. I'm just about to hit SS1 and it says I have 10 games played, lol. I'm still averaging 1000 blocks a game in Rec.

      Those are small things (to me), but just SOME of the technical issues online players have to deal with. Let's hope you can even load in The City and your files not corrupted.

      Regardless of how easy it is to fix or not, all these issues that you have to deal with BEFORE you even get on the court and have to deal with fadeaway 3's is very frustrating. Especially with 2K not saying anything about it.

      As innovative as 2K is with their ideas, they are clearly not in a place where they can support their ambitions...and its a bad look. I really think it's time to go back to the basics.


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      • jfsolo
        Live Action, please?
        • May 2003
        • 12965

        #4
        Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
        The stat tracking across the board the MyPlayer modes is jacked up. I'm just about to hit SS1 and it says I have 10 games played, lol. I'm still averaging 1000 blocks a game in Rec.

        Those are small things (to me), but just SOME of the technical issues online players have to deal with. Let's hope you can even load in The City and your files not corrupted.

        Regardless of how easy it is to fix or not, all these issues that you have to deal with BEFORE you even get on the court and have to deal with fadeaway 3's is very frustrating. Especially with 2K not saying anything about it.

        As innovative as 2K is with their ideas, they are clearly not in a place where they can support their ambitions...and its a bad look. I really think it's time to go back to the basics.


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        This seems like the crux of the issue. The scope of the game allowed the sales and revenue to increase over the last few years probably beyond their wildest dreams, and because of that it's possible that "back to basics" may no longer be considered a viable design pitch by high level executives in the organization.
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        • Real2KInsider
          MVP
          • Dec 2003
          • 4651

          #5
          Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

          Originally posted by jfsolo
          This seems like the crux of the issue. The scope of the game allowed the sales and revenue to increase over the last few years probably beyond their wildest dreams, and because of that it's possible that "back to basics" may no longer be considered a viable design pitch by high level executives in the organization.
          I think this is simplifying things a bit. The industry has changed DRASTICALLY over the last decade.

          MTX are a staple of gaming and companies (particularly those reliant on it) aren't going to change their models until the federal government regulates it.
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          • xthe1
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            • Sep 2013
            • 13

            #6
            Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

            Originally posted by Real2KInsider

            MTX are a staple of gaming and companies (particularly those reliant on it) aren't going to change their models until the federal government regulates it.
            I wouldn't be holding my breath on the federal government regulating MTX in this capitalistic society. I'm against an overabundance of MTX but in the case of 2k, unless you're talking about myteam, there isn't a need to spend real money to get good results. Sure grinding myplayer in NBA games is boring af and it would be great to take away much of that grind but it's not a necessity to buy VC to compete online. On the other hand, MTX ruin the competitive balance in myteam for people that don't want to buy VC. Then of course you have my(W)Nba, play now and blacktop. So at least for me, the real problem 2k has with MTX is in myteam and I don't play it because of that.
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            • Real2KInsider
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              • Dec 2003
              • 4651

              #7
              Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

              Originally posted by xthe1
              I wouldn't be holding my breath on the federal government regulating MTX in this capitalistic society.
              The US is likely decades away (more specifically, it's loot boxes that are a problem, rather than MTX themselves). It will depend on how hard companies push the envelope and whether it becomes a societal problem (which would then takes years of studies). Given the direction of sports betting, It's more likely we're heading in the opposite direction.


              I'm against an overabundance of MTX but in the case of 2k, unless you're talking about myteam, there isn't a need to spend real money to get good results. Sure grinding myplayer in NBA games is boring af and it would be great to take away much of that grind but it's not a necessity to buy VC to compete online.
              It's up to the consumer whether they want to pay $60 + dump additional money into their account.

              They can download League of Legends for free & optionally buy characters & costumes.

              At this point 2K would probably be better served going the FTP (free-to-play) route, but they can't because they don't own the IP. The only reason we're still buying the game is the NBA's billion dollar licensing fee.

              On the other hand, MTX ruin the competitive balance in myteam for people that don't want to buy VC. Then of course you have my(W)Nba, play now and blacktop. So at least for me, the real problem 2k has with MTX is in myteam and I don't play it because of that.
              MyTeam is a gacha game. I'm curious how many players actually know what those are and realize they're playing one. 2K certainly hits a different demographic. Just as there are lots of people that dislike RPGs like Final Fantasy but then play MyCareer.
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              • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
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                • Jul 2019
                • 359

                #8
                Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                Originally posted by strosdood
                How do u KNOW these are easy fixes? How many years have u worked in video game development? What is your qualification for making this claim? Just curious


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                Dude I'm convinced you work for the 2K marketing department at this point. Good Lawd...

                His qualifications are, like the rest of us, he lives in 2020 and we all know what technology can be achieved in 2020. These are easy fixes for a multi million dollar company who makes more money today from microtransactions than they ever have before.

                It's not a matter of if they CAN, it's a matter of if they WANT to. In a number of different ways, it's becoming more and more obvious that 2K's focus is on the bells and whistles rather than even fixing obvious flaws in the fundamentals.

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                • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
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                  • Jul 2019
                  • 359

                  #9
                  Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                  Originally posted by jfsolo
                  This seems like the crux of the issue. The scope of the game allowed the sales and revenue to increase over the last few years probably beyond their wildest dreams, and because of that it's possible that "back to basics" may no longer be considered a viable design pitch by high level executives in the organization.
                  This has been the bs scapegoat for the last few years as 2K has gone more and more arcade and basically have gone Hollywood (which as a business is of course what they want, to go main stream). But let's not confuse popularity with quality.

                  There's this bs narrative out there that the Devs are these basketball purists who'd work for free while the money hungry executives are the real problem. At some point, the blame needs to go on Visual Concepts. Just like they get the praise when they make an amazing game. Can't have it both ways. They are complicit with all of these directions as they watch the money pile in. No one forces them to work there. No one forces Mike Wang to go on Twitter and blogs and pretend like he's trying to "balance" the game for the community. I can bring up tweet after tweet, or poll after poll where he's like "hey guys how's this ___ working? Is it too OP? Do we need to tweak it?" It's all bs and marketing.

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                  • Real2KInsider
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                    • Dec 2003
                    • 4651

                    #10
                    Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                    Originally posted by TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                    Dude I'm convinced you work for the 2K marketing department at this point. Good Lawd...
                    Dude, I'm convinced you can't handle someone having a different opinion than your own.
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                    • jk31
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                      • Sep 2014
                      • 2654

                      #11
                      Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                      Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                      The US is likely decades away (more specifically, it's loot boxes that are a problem, rather than MTX themselves). It will depend on how hard companies push the envelope and whether it becomes a societal problem (which would then takes years of studies). Given the direction of sports betting, It's more likely we're heading in the opposite direction.




                      It's up to the consumer whether they want to pay $60 + dump additional money into their account.

                      They can download League of Legends for free & optionally buy characters & costumes.

                      At this point 2K would probably be better served going the FTP (free-to-play) route, but they can't because they don't own the IP. The only reason we're still buying the game is the NBA's billion dollar licensing fee.



                      MyTeam is a gacha game. I'm curious how many players actually know what those are and realize they're playing one. 2K certainly hits a different demographic. Just as there are lots of people that dislike RPGs like Final Fantasy but then play MyCareer.
                      what is a gacha game? never Heard thaz expression before.

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                      • Kully
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                        • Jul 2007
                        • 3178

                        #12
                        Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                        Originally posted by jk31
                        what is a gacha game? never Heard thaz expression before.
                        Ever see those machines at supermarkets that have little toys in capsules? They are called gachapon in Japan. Basically, it's the type of game that requires you to spend currency to open packs to collect characters/items/etc, and the rare ones are stupid hard to get, so it kinda makes you want to keep spending money to get those rare characters/items. The game wants you to keep gambling and getting packs.

                        MyTeam is a gatcha game.

                        They are a little predatory, they like to hide how much you spend by making you buy in-game currency (VC in 2K's case), always just trickle enough currency so that you can try it, but never too much so that you don't feel the need to spend money, and always have characters/items that get more rare and are super powerful (amethyst, galaxy opel, pink diamond, etc)

                        I play those kinda games on occasion, my favourite one right now is Genshin Impact lol.
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                        • Real2KInsider
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 4651

                          #13
                          Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years



                          Gacha games are video games that implement the gacha (toy vending machine) mechanic. Similar to loot boxes, gacha games induce players to spend in-game currency to receive a random virtual item. Most of these games are free-to-play mobile games, where the gacha serves as an incentive to spend real-world money.

                          The gacha game model began to be widely used in the early 2010s, particularly in Japan. Almost all of the highest-grossing mobile games in Japan use it, and it has become an integral part of Japanese mobile game culture. The game mechanism is also increasingly used in Chinese and Korean games.

                          Appeal
                          Game developers have praised gacha as being a great free-to-play monetisation strategy. Most developers that work primarily with free-to-play games recommend it be incorporated into the game starting with the concept for maximum monetisation potential.

                          It has been debated what makes gacha so addictive to so many players. Some believe that gacha games play on the inherent hunter-gatherer instinct that people have to collect items, as well as the desire to complete a set. Others believe it is simply the replication of the thrill of gambling that brings players back time and time again
                          Criticism and controversy
                          In May 2012, an article was published in a conservative Japanese newspaper, the Yomiuri Shimbun, that criticized social networking games and specifically gacha for exploiting the naivety of children to make a profit. The main complaint of the article was that the gacha model too closely resembled gambling.
                          Several cases of teenagers and even younger kids spending equivalents of over 1000 USD have been reported in the media.

                          The mechanism has come under scrutiny for its similarity to gambling, and some countries require drop rates to be made public, or have banned certain practices (e.g., complete gacha). Many players also feel regret after making purchases in these games according to a survey. This type of game has also come under criticism for luring players into spending thousands of dollars at a time to get what they want, and the way gacha outcomes are presented within the game have also been criticized. Children are likely to be affected by the gambling-like mechanism since mobile devices provides easy access to payment; some game developers also intentionally introduce emotional manipulations and exploitive practices.
                          ^This is where any potential legislation would come from. If games w/ loot box mechanics are required to be marketed towards Adults, that would have major implications towards any family friendly brand.
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                          • howardphillips214
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                            • Jan 2018
                            • 1928

                            #14
                            Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                            Iirc VC first was introduced in 2k13. We’ve been having this conversation for almost a decade. I don’t think it’s going anywhere.

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                            • luda06
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 572

                              #15
                              Re: There's so many issues that are simple fixes yet they are ignored... for years

                              Yeah... Seems like the ability to save freelances and other coach settings across all modes is a fairly difficult task.


                              I believe NBA 2K7 was the last 2K to allow users to edit playbooks and coach settings outside of an actual game... and they'd persist online and offline.

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