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  • Hyperballer21
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 2039

    #1

    HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

    We are attempting to get the ball rolling a little early this year. Signature Skills seems like a nice addition even though we feel some of the skills are a little redundant. We hope to use these skills to make each and every player play true to their real life counterpart.

    Everyone will not have a skill. Both of us were somewhat disappointed reading the, "What skills will the players of your favorite team thread" because so many were just throwing out skills like hotcakes. We will not approach skill assignments as nicely.

    We will be very conservative and we will assign the very best skills only. This isn't Little League Baseball, everyone will not get a trophy for showing up. You have to excel to have a skill assigned. Don't forget that we still have player ratings.

    Rookies will be limited to 1 signature skill until they prove otherwise. By prove we mean that the rookie class of 2012 will be re-evaluated during the All Star Break for consideration. Until then, they have to prove themselves just like any other NBA Player. Averaging 10 APG in the ACC doesn't mean you will automatically be assigned the Dimer/Floor General Skill. New stage, new level, new day.

    Some of the skills will be put on ice by us until we test them out to see how effective they are. (Ankle Breaker, Posterizer, Closer)

    We will be open to suggestions as long as you provide statistical/video evidence.

    The link is include please give positive/constructive feedback.

    Note: Please look at the "skills & criteria" tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet to better understand our logic and data we are using. Generate you questions/concerns from there.

    <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnH_XtYnwBUbdC03TkdkM094b1ZIU0J6NkJFYUZCS 3c" target="_blank">2k13 Signature Skills</a>

    <b>***Update***</b>
    40% 3PT Shooting In Which 85% or more of those shots were assisted

    Novak
    Allen
    Mike Miller
    Rush
    Danny Green
    Bonner
    Redick
    Klay Thompson
    James Jones
    Dunleavy
    Courtney Lee
    Afflalo
    Boobie Gibson
    Kyle Korver

    The following players actually met the qualifications but because of historical data throughout their careers will be placed on a probation status until enough data is gathered to determine if they indeed deserve the skill. Play Style and historic 3PT% from their careers was looked at and until they can string together enough years to change their "identity" they will not be labeled as spot up shooters.

    So before you ask about the following players, just look at their percentages from previous years.
    Willie Green
    Chase Budinger
    Ilyasova
    Barbosa
    Last edited by Hyperballer21; 09-17-2012, 02:44 PM.
  • return.specialist
    Pro
    • Jan 2012
    • 888

    #2
    Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

    Originally posted by Hyperballer21
    This isn't Little League Baseball, everyone will not get a trophy for showing up.
    had to quote this. Sounds like a great project
    ***1971-72 ABA Roster 2K12 360***
    http://www.operationsports.com/forum...f-rosters.html

    ***Roster of Entirely Fictional Players 2K12 360***
    http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ter-360-a.html

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    • Mr_Riddick
      Pro
      • Jan 2009
      • 1173

      #3
      Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

      Yup! Might as well go ahead and get the ball rolling eary. It looks like one of those yearss again.

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      • Sundown
        MVP
        • Oct 2010
        • 3270

        #4
        Sounds neat but wouldn't it be a good idea to see how 2K distributes skills and do something similar rather than deciding that only the elite get signature skills? After all, there seems to be 3 levels of proficiency for most sig skills, so maybe the lower rankings can be given to those who are at least notable in some area.

        I do agree that one shouldn't get a sig skill just because they're merely adequate at an ability but 2K did mention that some bench players would have several, perhaps even 5 to reflect their utility and versatility. I don't think anyone who is elite at 5 sig skills would be a role/bench player.

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        • thilanwij
          Rookie
          • Mar 2012
          • 226

          #5
          Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

          Love the idea of this project. I will be keeping my eye on this and suggest whatever I can, whenever I come up with one!
          My NBA 2k Blog and Videos

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          • 2k10Fonzarelli
            Pro
            • Sep 2009
            • 621

            #6
            Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

            Great News Hyper!

            Im also eager to see y'alls mini-dunk package edits as well as I know how happy you were to learn that they're in the game this year.

            And yeah, thats a great quote "This isn't little league baseball...SSs are not handed out like hotcakes" Even though i myself have been tossing them around a bunch to see if they fit.

            @Hyperballer > If recent MyCareer Videos have shown anything regarding SSs, its that they come in different increments(L1-L3)
            If this Level system translates over to the rest of the game, how will that affect your editing philosophy?
            Ignorance of evidence is evidence of ignorance...

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            • DukeC
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 5751

              #7
              Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

              Nice to see you on board for editing again in 2k13 Hyper!

              I feel like Tyreke Evans should have Acrobat. Especially if you assign one to Nick Young.

              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/sTEotaDRbzA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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              • Colts18
                MVP
                • Feb 2010
                • 1959

                #8
                Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                Originally posted by Sundown
                After all, there seems to be 3 levels of proficiency for most sig skills, so maybe the lower rankings can be given to those who are at least notable in some area..
                MyPlayer Mode. Nothing has been said about that affecting regular players

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                • MrBigShot1
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 490

                  #9
                  Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                  I admit that people in that sig skill thread were getting a little carried away, but at the same time, I believe, or rather...I guarantee that 2k will be much more generous in distributing the sig skills compared to this current list.

                  A lot of people seem to be advocating that a role player shouldn't be getting more than 1 or 2 sig skills, if any AT ALL. Which is silly to me. Sig skills are just that, signature skills. A role playing bigman that has scrapper, hustle points, bruiser and brick wall isn't necessarily better than a Starter with only 1 or 2 sig skills like Shot Creator and Finisher. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Starter is a worse player or even that he's more deserving of the sig skills. Sig skills should be assigned based on description. If a guy like Kendrick Perkins has 3-4 sig skils, I wouldn't care as long as they are accurate to his abilities in real life.

                  Bottom line imo, sig skills should not be assigned based on how "good" a player is but based on fit. If you still think I'm crazy, well then I forgot to mention that many of the sig skills have levels. Its perfectly fine to assign something like floor general to a good PG at Level 1 because he wont be nearly as effective as a guy like Steve Nash who will likely have Floor General at Level 3. I agree that rookies need prove themselves though.


                  Anyway, I feel like the following skills are all reasonable for the Pistons:

                  Rodney Stuckey - Finisher, Acrobat, Shot Creator
                  If you watch Rodney or check out a youtube mix, you'll quickly see that his biggest strengths are getting into the lane off the dribble with his combination of quickness and strength to take hits and finish. He's always near the top of the league in and1s every season and he's able to finish with both hands, double clutch, switch hands, contort in mid air ect...

                  Tayshaun Prince - Anti-freeze
                  He was a lockdown defender at one point in his career but he's past his prime. Anyway, Tayshaun is Mr. Consistent, the glue guy that you can count on night in and night out whereas a guy like J.R. Smith can score 40 one game and then single digits the next.

                  Greg Monroe - Post Playmaker, Hustle points, Active Hands
                  Post playmaker is self-explanatory. That's what G-Mon is known for. Active hands: he averages 1.5spg per 36mins for his career. He doesn't block a lot of shots, but he has incredibly quick hands for a big man. Hustle points because well....a lot of the points he gets are from getting offensive boards and then converting. In fact, that was pretty much his entire rookie season. That's why you see scoring on such few shot attempts.

                  Jonas Jerebko - Scrapper
                  Shouldn't need an explanation...

                  Jason Maxiell - Highlight film, Eraser

                  and


                  Andre Drummond - Eraser
                  If there's one thing Drummond is really good at, it's blocking shots emphatically. Could possibly have highlight film later on in the year

                  If your still reading, I applaud you...

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                  • Sundown
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 3270

                    #10
                    Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                    I may be biased but I believe the Warriors are being way underchanged in Sig Skills especially with their star players.

                    Steph Curry doesn't have a single sig skill when I believe he should have Heat Retention (as does 2K), Shot Creator, Break Starter. He doesn't rely on speed but on savvy handles to get himself open step backs so I believe Shot Creator is justified. It's also been said he's better at passing on the break than in the half court set, and has connected on some amazing long distance alley oops last season. If Monta Ellis can have 3 sig skills (that I think he deserves), then I think the other player many argue is better can have a few.

                    Steph's step back to jumper. The Nike video's even called Signature Moves (and featured guys like Wade, Manu, Westbrook, and Kobe):


                    Same series, combo crossover to floater:


                    Same, behind the legs to jumper:


                    Steph's 13-16, 6-9 threes, 36-point game vs Denver justifying Heat Retention (shot creation at 1:30, 2:00, 2:42):


                    Curry's 36 point game vs Grizzlies 13-22 (not bad), 6-9 3's, (shot creation at 1:00):


                    Curry's 32 point game vs Blazers, 6-8 3's, (shot creation at 0:08):


                    Steph Curry's full court passes off the break in Top Plays 6, 5, and 1. There were at least a few other half court alley oops to Lee and Dorell Wright last season that didn't make the list.


                    Keep in mind that Curry only had 1/3 of a shortened season and were able to achieve the above games and highlights.


                    Andrew Bogut was considered on of the best defensive centers of the league and it isn't just from drawing charges. His highlight skill should be Defensive Anchor because he's vocal, coordinates defense and is known to physically push teammates to where they're supposed to be. The Bucks went from one of the best defensive teams to one of the worst with his injury. I can understand not wanting to overrate him because he's coming off an ankle fracture but I don't think he's going to forget the mental/leadership aspect of playing team defense. He also lead the league in blocks the year before he was injured, but I can live with him not getting Eraser right off an injury. Bogut is also one of the better passing big men, and analysts have the Warriors with one of the best if not best passing front court tandem with David Lee. He should have: Charge Card, Defensive Anchor, Post Playmaker Last season (12 games), 2.6 assists. 2.0 previous year. Career 2.2.

                    Bogut's post playmaking:




                    After watching this I almost want to give him Posterize. lol:



                    David Lee: Post Playmaker, Hustle Points Lee is an elite garbage man, so at the very least I think he should have the skill we paid him 80 million over 6 years for. He's also quite a good Playmaker in the post and a very underrated passer. I don't think you can be considered potentially the best passing front court in the league without having two players that both deserve the Post Playmaker sig skill. When fans were asked by Warriors analyst Matt Stienmetz (who's definitely not a homer) to list big men who were as good or better passers than Lee, the list was short: Pau Gasol (who you do have as Post Playmaker), and Chris Webber (retired!), amongst one or two others. Lee's assists numbers the last few years (3.6 NY, 3.2, 2.8 with GSW). Monroe: 2.2, Pau: 3.7. Compares favorably to other passing big men.

                    David Lee's interior/post passing in Top Plays 2 and 3:



                    Brandon Rush: Spot Up Shooter, Corner Man, Chase Down Blocks I was really happy 2K noticed Rush's ability and tendency to chase down blocks. I think he deserves the sig skill, especially since they made him one of the examples for the skill not named Lebron. I would even take Spot Up Shooter away from Rush if the addition of Chase Down Blocks makes him overpowered (but Corner Man should stay).



                    A slew of Rush blocks starting at 0:09:



                    Dominic McGuire: Consider Lock Down Defender. He's on the Raptors now but his defense was pretty much why we kept him around. He's a 3 but we had him play every position from 1-4 on defense and was the guy we put on opposing star players in must stop situations in close games.


                    Klay Thompson: 2K has him with Dead Eye, maybe because late closing defenses affect him less because of his height at the 2. I could go with that, or with Microwave as you have him with.


                    That was probably more than you wanted, but hope I could help.
                    Last edited by Sundown; 09-15-2012, 01:38 AM.

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                    • Hyperballer21
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 2039

                      #11
                      Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                      These are ALL great, and thorough suggestions. Keep them coming!!!

                      We also have the CLASSIC team tab also for those you are into the legends.

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                      • Hyperballer21
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 2039

                        #12
                        Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                        Originally posted by Sundown
                        Andrew Bogut was considered on of the best defensive centers of the league and it isn't just from drawing charges. His highlight skill should be Defensive Anchor because he's vocal, coordinates defense and is known to physically push teammates to where they're supposed to be. I can understand not wanting to overrate him because he's coming off an injury but I don't think he's going to forget the mental/leadership aspect of playing team defense. He also lead the league in blocks the year before he was injured, but I can live with him not getting Eraser right off an injury. Bogut is also one of the better passing big men, and analysts have the Warriors with one of the best if not best passing front court tandem with David Lee. He should have: Charge Card, <b>Defensive Anchor</b>, Post Playmaker
                        We don't want BAD teams (historically), to have a defensive anchor because they we don't want them getting boosts that could potentially help them be better than what they are. So we agree with his ability, but we are against giving Bogut Anchor

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                        • Hyperballer21
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 2039

                          #13
                          Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                          Originally posted by 2k10Fonzarelli
                          Great News Hyper!

                          Im also eager to see y'alls mini-dunk package edits as well as I know how happy you were to learn that they're in the game this year.
                          YES!! Once we get more info on EXACTLY how these mini-packages work, that is probably the next project we will do.

                          Originally posted by 2k10Fonzarelli
                          @Hyperballer > If recent MyCareer Videos have shown anything regarding SSs, its that they come in different increments(L1-L3)
                          If this Level system translates over to the rest of the game, how will that affect your editing philosophy?
                          I get the feeling that those levels are strictly for MyCareer mode only. I have not seen any indication for it being for regular players. Either way, skills will only be given out to the ELITE players of that PARTICULAR skill.

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                          • Sundown
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 3270

                            #14
                            Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                            Originally posted by Hyperballer21
                            We don't want BAD teams (historically), to have a defensive anchor because they we don't want them getting boosts that could potentially help them be better than what they are. So we agree with his ability, but we are against giving Bogut Anchor

                            Wait. Isn't the point of bad teams acquiring missing pieces and culture changing impact players in the first place-- so that they can become better teams? That would be like taking Floor General away from Chris Paul because the Clippers were a sub .500 team for years before they signed him. The Bucks were also terrible without Bogut. If he obviously makes the Bucks better, why can't he do it for another team that's at least as talented this season? The Warriors were historically bad because they were historically small, wasted talent in drafts and trades, and didn't have a true center to anchor the defense since, what, Nate Thurmond? I'm not sure it makes sense to deny them their missing piece just because they've always been missing that piece.

                            Plus with our crappy defenders, a justified boost would just make a few of them just a little less crappy. With our coaches' focus on defense, and with the Warriors being smart teachable guys, I would at least expect improved defense even if most of the guys still won't be stellar. I'd rather see this playtested than deny Bogut his most important signature skill just because the Warriors picked him up. After all, we did give up Ellis and Udoh for that "sig skill".


                            If you'd like things to play out realistically, I would suggest making changes so other areas are in line rather and play well with Bogut's influence rather than taking the core identity away from a player that's been the biggest Warriors acquisition in decades.
                            Last edited by Sundown; 09-14-2012, 10:18 PM.

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                            • Matty Aqua
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1298

                              #15
                              Re: HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

                              Hey Hyperballer!
                              Appreciate and enjoy your work!...
                              I will focus on the Toronto Raptors cuz i follow them & once the season begins and i can see exactly what each ability does & how the sig skills affect gameplay so I will only give abilities i think are 100% deserving!...

                              My view on the sig skills is that they are there to help define Role players aswell as superstar players!

                              Obviously i havent seen much of Valanciunas,Ross and Acy and not a great deal of Kyle Lowry YET!!!
                              ....so might have to wait to see how these players go before i state they deserve a certain ability!

                              The ones that quickly come to mind tho are:
                              Andrea Bargnani
                              SPOT UP SHOOTER:I watch alot of Raptor games sure he has had cold streaks early in his career but as he has matured if you leave him open he will make you pay!,has also improved his shot off the dribble!

                              HEAT RETENTION:It does not take much to get Andrea going,this is his true stregnth.This is who we play through.Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't...but if Andrea is hot he is going to knock down alot of shot!

                              Jose Calderon
                              Floor General: Jose cops a lot of crap...he struggles to defend the point guard position no doubt and he is not flashy passer.... but he runs half court game so well.
                              Jose is a smart passer makes smart plays and like it or not he is a good 'Floor General'...
                              Last edited by Matty Aqua; 09-14-2012, 10:34 PM.

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