HyperBaller/DC NBA 2k13 Signature Skills Project

[lv2bll]

Btw, if you're going to post a vid to back up a post make sure its of last year, not 4 years ago. I'm talking to your Lebron needs highlight film and eraser guys.

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[Sundown]

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@Sundown. I saw the videos, and they make an compelling arguement. The issue with giving Steph shot creator is he ranks 44th out of 51 PGs that plat at least 20mpg in percentage of FGs made that were assisted. For a PG, 50% of your FGs coming off assist is pretty high, especially if you are handling the ball. Just to give you an idea of where he ranks: Nash, CP3, Westbrook, Wall, T Parker, Rose, and Lin are all under 25%. Our cut off point is 40%

I know that number may be high because of his injury last season, making him more of a set shooter. Also, since he was playing with Monta, that could contribute as well. More than likely, he will be handling the ball more since Monta is gone now. If he drops below the cut off mark, I have no problem assigning him shot creator

That's an interesting approach, but Steph's such an excellent shooter that it actually makes sense to run him off screens and kick out to him. I don't think that takes anything away from his shot creation ability. And if it does, does he get Spot Up Shooter or Corner Man?

I think it makes more sense to look at the FG% of unassisted shots and look to make sure that it meets some minimum number per game, rather than just simply having assisted shots count against you. Since Steph's a relatively high scoring point guard, I don't think him hitting a few more assisted threes make him less able to get his own shot than a similar player who ends up under 40% assisted because he isn't as good at the 3 ball and doesn't take perimeter shots as often.

Regarding this coming season, I think Steph might actually take as many assisted shots if not more. While he'll handle a bit more when he's on alone, there are times the Warriors will run Jack/Curry just to captitalize on Steph's shot. I also see them running inside out more, because of Lee and Bogut's passing which might also get Steph a few more assisted shots.

It might be helpful to post your Sig Skill selection criteria for all skills. It would certainly be educational and thought provoking (not to mention helping folks evaluate whether their favorite player really deserves that Sig Skill).

[Ahmadab]

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Chris Duhon is the worst player in the NBA and should not have a signature skill period. I would add something like spot up shooter to JJ Redick

[seanbarkley]

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Sup Hyperballer/DC!I love your idea, so after heve been taking a look at your templates here's my little contribution:

Shot creator - Not sure if Jeff Teague deserves to be in that list yet, but imo Eric Gordon should be there.

Lockdown defender - Why isn't Deshawn Stevenson on that list?

Dimer - Maybe Floor General is still too much for him, but Ricky Rubio should have this skill for sure!

Spot Up Shooter - Mike Bibby shouldn't be in that list no more, but JJ Reddick and Anthony Morrow should be there for sure, and even though he is not the same players than years ago imo Rip Hmailton should be there too.

And finally, even knowing that he has had a horrible rookie year, I'd add that skill to Jimmer Fredette, but I know this is really controversial.

Break Starter - I haven't seen anybody on that list, so maybe that's because you guys consider this a cheesy skill. I'd add Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade to the list.

Hustle Points - IMO Kevin Love clearly deserves this skills. I don't know how many times I've seen him last year getting buckets after several offensive rebounds.

Chase Down Artist - Why is not Serge Ibaka there??

Closer - Even being a maybe cheesy feature, for all the last second shots they have made all these years I'd give that skill to Derek Fisher and Hedo Turkoglu

Post Proficiency - LaMaurcus Aldridge is one of the top guys that imo deserve this skill

Microwave - The assignments of this feature got me a little bit disconcerted. I don't know why Michaell Redd still has this skill and not players like James Harden, Manu Ginobili, OJ Mayo or even Leandro Barbosa.

Otherwise I don't know if being a rookie he deserves this skill, but since you gave it to Austin Rivers, Damian Lillard should have it too.

[Myxtapes]

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Bargnani isn't really a spot up shooter. The sig skill he deserves most
Is the SHOT CREATOR. That is his game through and through.

[Phreezy P]

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Bargs has only shot over 40% 1 time in his career. As we mentioned, there are strict qualifications for Spot Up shooters. He isn't someone that meets the qualifications. Thanks for the suggestion. We applied Microwave to his profile.

Okay, that seems fair.

[Hyperballer21]

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@SeanBarkley

<b>Rubio:</b> He should have had DIMER. We missed him for some reason. Our mistake.

<b>Eric Gordon:</b> He has the Create skill.

<b>DeSHawn Stevenson:</b> He will have a high on ball defensive rating in our system. We wanted to keep this for on ball defenders in their prime. We don't feel he is still in his prime Washington/Dallas days when it comes to this. He will have a high rating, just not a skill.

<b>Ibaka:</b> We will not give any big men chase down blocks because we are not yet sure if the fastbreak defensive catchup logic has been addressed. Anything that could potentially cause a big man to catch up with a little man on the break is something we would like to avoid. If we knew that it wouldn't force catchup on the break, he would easily have it. But as of now only a handful of players have that skill.

<b>Bibby:</b> You are correct, he shouldn't have spot up anymore. Maybe a few years ago but not now.

<b>Break Starter:</b> Odom, LeBron, Wade, Love are all on the list already. Wade and LeBron have better skills that represent them so we don't know if we want to "waste" a slot for that on those two.

<b>Love:</b> Hustle Points is in his package.

<b>Microwave:</b> We are still tinkering with the qualifications of this skill. So if anything looks off please call us out on it.

<b>Closer:</b> We would not give closer to people that simply hit a few shots in big situations. This skill is for people that perform consistently in the clutch moments of the game. Horry, Fisher, Hedo hitting big shots are rare. Yes we remember them but they still rarely happen in the grand scheme of things when you factor how many times they don't hit big shots.

But we are still on the fence about giving anyone this skill since we both question if a player actually "elevates" his play during clutch situations as opposed to "unleashing" what he already has in his skill set. Giving a bonus for taking shots in that situation coupled in with 2K's natural last second shot clock/game love, we don't know if this can be trusted.

If a player has a high touches tendency, the AI should already be going to him in clutch situations, so we don't know if we need to assign someone that skill to get them more touches as well as artificial FG% boosts in those situations. It is unrealistic.

<b>Jimmer:</b> He is not a spot up shooter by any stretch. That isn't his game. That wasn't his style in college and he hasn't proven he can make the transition into a spot up shooter in the NBA. He will not be assigned that skill. Also please refer to the qualifications on the bottom where the tabs are located.

<b>LaMarcus:</b> We do not feel his post game is as proficient as the players that already have this skill but if you can provide video evidence we can investigate it for you.

[DukeC]

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Am I to assume I didn't provide enough evidence on the previous page?

Edit: Never mind, saw the Excel sheet. If it's listed in Other does that mean it's under further deliberation?

Also, I'd give Marcus Thornton: Heat Retention and Finisher.

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[Po Pimp]

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@Sundown, I understand everything that you are saying. We just can't agree to give Bogut that skill when compared to the team success and proven (current team) individual influence of the other players we have given Anchor. We will keep him in the back of our minds once the season starts to see how it plays out. We have no problem with adding him as the season progresses. Thanks for constructive feedback.

Tyson Chandler disputes your defensive anchor logic

[Hyperballer21]

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If it's listed in Other does that mean it's under further deliberation?

That is correct. We put them under "others" until we can compare their ability to those players that we already given that particular skill to. Your videos are great, keep them coming.

Also, I'd give Marcus Thornton: <b>Heat Retention and Finisher.</b>

He may end up having Microwave or Heat Retention when we are done. We are still trying to figure out criteria for those two skills. As for FINISHER, we went off the amount of "and 1s" a player had last season, he did not meet the requirement.

[daytonanerd]

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I personally do think there are exceptions to the 5 limit of sig skills, but the exceptions are only legends. Wilt Chamberlain/Bill Russell qualify for pretty much all of the post skills/scrapper/brick wall/interceptor and Russell also deserves Break Starter. Magic Johnson is the 3rd exception. Here is what I think he deserves:

Acrobat
Alley Ooper
Ankle Breaker
Break Starter
Dimer
Floor General
Post Playmaker
Scrapper

[Hyperballer21]

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Tyson Chandler disputes your defensive anchor logic

Tyson Chandler actually proves our point. He has proven that no matter what team he plays for, their overall team defense becomes better. Look at the list of players we have given this skill to:

-Noah
-Garnett
-T. Chandler
-D. Howard
-Duncan
-K. Perkins

All of these guys make a significant difference to their team's defensive schemes and how other teams approach them whether they are on or off the court. Also, all of these teams are playoff teams. If /when a team like the Warriors show that their one acquisition changes their entire defensive culture, then I can justify giving Bogut that skill. Bogut will still have his great defensive ability, but how he affects a team like the Warriors is to be determine.

[DukeC]

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That is correct. We put them under "others" until we can compare their ability to those players that we already given that particular skill to. Your videos are great, keep them coming.



He may end up having Microwave or Heat Retention when we are done. We are still trying to figure out criteria for those two skills. As for FINISHER, we went off the amount of "and 1s" a player had last season, he did not meet the requirement.

1. Okay. I figured. Makes sense

2. Ah well, I only suggested it since, even though he finishes at the rim, he doesn't really adjust his shot. He just powers through defenders for the layup.

On an unrelated note, I think he deserves either active hands or interceptor.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4017/marcus-thornton

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4017/marcus-thornton

He consistently averaged 1.5 SPG and had 11 games where he had at least 3 steals in a game.

He does not deserve pick-pocket. He doesn't get his steals that way. He gets his steals mainly off playing the passing lanes.

[lv2bll]

I personally do think there are exceptions to the 5 limit of sig skills, but the exceptions are only legends. Wilt Chamberlain/Bill Russell qualify for pretty much all of the post skills/scrapper/brick wall/interceptor and Russell also deserves Break Starter. Magic Johnson is the 3rd exception. Here is what I think he deserves:

Acrobat
Alley Ooper
Ankle Breaker
Break Starter
Dimer
Floor General
Post Playmaker
Scrapper

Ankle breaker.. No
Acrobat... No

If you really watch magic he wasn't really a good finisher (nor acrobatic)
Wasn't overly fast or had quick crossovers either. His large frame and court sense let him get anywhere on court. Not breakneck crosses . My opinion though.

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[daytonanerd]

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Ankle breaker.. No
Acrobat... No

If you really watch magic he wasn't really a good finisher (nor acrobatic)
Wasn't overly fast or had quick crossovers either. His large frame and court sense let him get anywhere on court. Not breakneck crosses . My opinion though.

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Yeah, those were skills I was iffy about. Still, that is 6 skills, making him an exception.