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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26235

    #91
    Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

    Originally posted by bkrich83
    Problem solved if people feel the investment of a PS3 is worth the price of playing a single game.

    The writer was correct, for 360 only gamers, with a budget it is the only game in town. I feel bad for them no matter how great 2k8 is, as having your choices limited is never a good thing.

    In all honesty you feel 2k8 is as polished as The Show?
    Very few have even said that The Show sucks.

    Most of the 2k8 fans I've seen here think The Show is a good product. I'm definitely one of them.

    There are things I don't like about The Show but I would never say it's a bad game. Me calling The Show a bad game is in my opinion comparable to someone saying that 2k8 has terrible game play. It's just not true.

    Now is 2k8 as polished as The Show? Of course not. The Show, while not being my favorite of the two, does have better commentary, better presentation, solid gameplay, and other great things.

    I picked up 2k8 expecting the gameplay to improve and that's what I got. So I'm completely satisfied with the product.

    Could it be better? Of course. I haven't seen many people that like 2k8 say that it's the most complete product in the world.

    The real point is that people are crashing hard on 2k8 for it's mistakes. And rightfully so. It has frame rate issues. It still has old commentary. The presentation sucks. The crowd is non-existent most of the time.

    But, as mentioned by Blzer, people were adament about 2k7 needing a gameplay updgrade before it could compete with The Show. 2k8 does that.

    Now I understand that the other issues I consider little are major to others and therefore stop them from wanting to play the game for more than 3 hours. I'm not going to argue with someone that lets poor frame rate after a player affect them. The game is sikly smooth on the mound and the plate and runs at least 30 fps on the field. But I digress.

    To round this off, what the crashers need to acknowledge is that people that enjoy 2k8 enjoy baseball for it's gameplay. It's not our fault that graphics and those other little things aren't as important to us. We just want solid baseball and 2k8 does most of that right. It's game play is comparable and just as good as The Show. That's a fact.

    Your question was is it as polished? I answered no. And I would never say it is. But, when it comes to game play it's right there at the same level. That's why this game isn't "garbage" to me.

    If the people that continue to downplay this product can't see that then perhaps they should see their way out. I'm all for offering an opinion but when your opinion is based on putting people down for disagreeing with you it's very hard for me or anyone else to respect you.
    Last edited by CMH; 03-20-2008, 08:41 PM.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • Rainey
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 4509

      #92
      Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

      Originally posted by YankeePride
      Very few have even said that The Show sucks.

      Most of the 2k8 fans I've seen here think The Show is a good product. I'm definitely one of them.

      There are things I don't like about The Show but I would never say it's a bad game. Me calling The Show a bad game is in my opinion comparable to someone saying that 2k8 has terrible game play. It's just not true.

      Now is 2k8 as polished as The Show? Of course not. The Show, while not being my favorite of the two, does have better commentary, better presentation, solid gameplay, and other great things.

      I picked up 2k8 expecting the gameplay to improve and that's what I got. So I'm completely satisfied with the product.

      Could it be better? Of course. I haven't seen many people that like 2k8 say that it's the most complete product in the world.

      The real point is that people are crashing hard on 2k8 for it's mistakes. And rightfully so. It has frame rate issues. It still has old commentary. The presentation sucks. The crowd is non-existent most of the time.

      But, as mentioned by Blzer, people were adament about 2k7 needing a gameplay updgrade before it could compete with The Show. 2k8 does that.

      Now I understand that the other issues I consider little are major to others and therefore stop them from wanting to play the game for more than 3 hours. I'm not going to argue with someone that lets poor frame rate after a player affect them. The game is sikly smooth on the mound and the plate and runs at least 30 fps on the field. But I digress.

      To round this off, what the crashers need to acknowledge is that people that enjoy 2k8 enjoy baseball for it's gameplay. It's not our fault that graphics and those other little things aren't as important to us. We just want solid baseball and 2k8 does most of that right. It's game play is comparable and just as good as The Show. That's a fact.

      Your question was is it as polished? I answered no. And I would never say it is. But, when it comes to game play it's right there at the same level. That's why this game isn't "garbage" to me.

      If the people that continue to downplay this product can't see that then perhaps they should see their ways out. I'm all for offering an opinion but when your opinion is based on putting people down for disagreeing with you it's very hard for me or anyone else to respect you.
      30 fps on the field? No way man. It might average out around that number, but it is extremely choppy.
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      • bkrich83
        Old Guy
        • Jul 2002
        • 71551

        #93
        Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

        Originally posted by YankeePride
        Very few have even said that The Show sucks.

        Most of the 2k8 fans I've seen here think The Show is a good product. I'm definitely one of them.

        There are things I don't like about The Show but I would never say it's a bad game. Me calling The Show a bad game is in my opinion comparable to someone saying that 2k8 has terrible game play. It's just not true.

        Now is 2k8 as polished as The Show? Of course not. The Show, while not being my favorite of the two, does have better commentary, better presentation, solid gameplay, and other great things.

        I picked up 2k8 expecting the gameplay to improve and that's what I got. So I'm completely satisfied with the product.

        Could it be better? Of course. I haven't seen many people that like 2k8 say that it's the most complete product in the world.

        The real point is that people are crashing hard on 2k8 for it's mistakes. And rightfully so. It has frame rate issues. It still has old commentary. The presentation sucks. The crowd is non-existent most of the time.

        But, as mentioned by Blzer, people were adament about 2k7 needing a gameplay updgrade before it could compete with The Show. 2k8 does that.

        Now I understand that the other issues I consider little are major to others and therefore stop them from wanting to play the game for more than 3 hours. I'm not going to argue with someone that lets poor frame rate after a player affect them. The game is sikly smooth on the mound and the plate and runs at least 30 fps on the field. But I digress.

        To round this off, what the crashers need to acknowledge is that people that enjoy 2k8 enjoy baseball for it's gameplay. It's not our fault that graphics and those other little things aren't as important to us. We just want solid baseball and 2k8 does most of that right. It's game play is comparable and just as good as The Show. That's a fact.

        Your question was is it as polished? I answered no. And I would never say it is. But, when it comes to game play it's right there at the same level. That's why this game isn't "garbage" to me.

        If the people that continue to downplay this product can't see that then perhaps they should see their way out. I'm all for offering an opinion but when your opinion is based on putting people down for disagreeing with you it's very hard for me or anyone else to respect you.
        Where exactly did I put anyone down?

        Nor is the game particularly smooth at the batter/pitcher interface for me, and I have a hard time believing it plays a steady 30 FPS on the field.

        I agree it's a much improved game. And if a framerate fix can be found, I think it would be an even better game.
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        • Amazin
          Rookie
          • Mar 2005
          • 129

          #94
          Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

          I do not want to turn this into The Show vs 2K8 but something that really bothers me is how I hear how realistic the animations are in The Show, yes they look great but do you ever get the feeling like your hardly ever actually controlling the players and the Player Models are not in any way better than 2K8, but enough of that back on topic.

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          • bigfnjoe96
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2004
            • 11413

            #95
            Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

            It's funny that many claim this game to be broken, yet my copy outside of some choppiness plays a helluva baseball game... Go figure

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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26235

              #96
              Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

              Originally posted by bkrich83
              Where exactly did I put anyone down?

              Nor is the game particularly smooth at the batter/pitcher interface for me, and I have a hard time believing it plays a steady 30 FPS on the field.

              I agree it's a much improved game. And if a framerate fix can be found, I think it would be an even better game.
              My bad, I specifically said the crashers because I wasn't talking about you. I just posted you because you asked a general question that got me into extending the answer.
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • bkrich83
                Old Guy
                • Jul 2002
                • 71551

                #97
                Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                Originally posted by Amazin
                I do not want to turn this into The Show vs 2K8 but something that really bothers me is how I hear how realistic the animations are in The Show, yes they look great but do you ever get the feeling like your hardly ever actually controlling the players and the Player Models are not in any way better than 2K8, but enough of that back on topic.
                Disagree on the player models. Graphics are in the eye of the beholder imo, but to me 2k8 players look sort of cartoony. Especially when compared to last year.

                I have no problems with the fielding in The Show, but I prefer the fielding in 2k8. I think fielding is the one portion of the game where 2k8 outshines The Show.
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                • bkrich83
                  Old Guy
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71551

                  #98
                  Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                  Originally posted by YankeePride
                  My bad, I specifically said the crashers because I wasn't talking about you. I just posted you because you asked a general question that got me into extending the answer.
                  Gotcha. No worries.
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                  • Amazin
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 129

                    #99
                    Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                    Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                    It's funny that many claim this game to be broken, yet my copy outside of some choppiness plays a helluva baseball game... Go figure
                    Completely agree and about the player models in The Show with there short wide shouldered bodies for every player certainly isn't helping but again I enjoy both games I just prefer 2K8 because of gameplay.

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                    • longshadow11
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 901

                      #100
                      Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                      2K seems to have achieved their primary goal: to keep EA from making baseball games. Bravo, 2K. We lost what is to some the best game(MVP) and in its place is the bumblin', stumblin' MLB2K series.

                      Every time I pop in MLB2K, I long for the days of MVP and All-Star. It's like dating three girls and you end up with the one you really didn't want in the first place.

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                      • Rainey
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 4509

                        #101
                        Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                        Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                        It's funny that many claim this game to be broken, yet my copy outside of some choppiness plays a helluva baseball game... Go figure
                        Some choppiness? I had worse choppiness than what MVP 05 on the PC had before the patch. I'm not even a graphic's guy (I still play old school games all the time), but comeon it is just annoying to see.
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                        • bigfnjoe96
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 11413

                          #102
                          Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                          Originally posted by Rainey
                          Some choppiness? I had worse choppiness than what MVP 05 on the PC had before the patch. I'm not even a graphic's guy (I still play old school games all the time), but comeon it is just annoying to see.
                          Yes it's annoying, but you can't tell me it's worst than 2k7, because it's not

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                          • CMH
                            Making you famous
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 26235

                            #103
                            Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                            Originally posted by Rainey
                            30 fps on the field? No way man. It might average out around that number, but it is extremely choppy.
                            Just not happening to me on my end.

                            I see choppiness after the play. I see minor stuttering during a play. Never had a problem fielding the ball.
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                            • bkrich83
                              Old Guy
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71551

                              #104
                              Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                              Originally posted by YankeePride
                              Just not happening to me on my end.

                              I see choppiness after the play. I see minor stuttering during a play. Never had a problem fielding the ball.
                              It's still pretty choppy for me on the field of play. Which I could probably live with more, if it was more constant. It's really all over the place as far as framerate in my experience. It could just be me.
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                              • Rainey
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 4509

                                #105
                                Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

                                Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                                Yes it's annoying, but you can't tell me it's worst than 2k7, because it's not
                                2k7 never had stuttering in the field for me. I played that game like 100000 times, so maybe I just ignored it I don't know. I remember the patch added a new camera view that was kinda laggy, but I stuck to the original and never had choppiness in the field.
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