Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[HealyMonster]

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You still don't get it.

You still think that because you don't like the game that everyone else shouldn't like it.

You still think that if anyone does like it they are just not being "real" with themselves.

You still think wrong.

no man, Liking it" has nothing to do with what I am saying bro. I dont think you get it. I LIKE THE GAME. i play it and enjoy it. alot of other peple do too. just because we like it doesnt make it a good game though. like i said uniforms, stadiums, roster,framerate. regardless of how well the game plays, the game as a whole is riddled with issues that should have been taken care of in 06. this is the game we should have had in 06. i dont understand how you read what I say, then come at me lik im on a building giving a sermon on how people should hate 2k. that couldnt be further from the truth. just because some people can overlook a games flaws and enjoy it does not make it a good game. I overlook everything and i enjoy the game. but im not going to sit here and defend the game from critisism, not will I call this a good game. I hope everyone enjoys the game, i dont care but like i have said look at the game as a whole and dont say its a good game because you enjoy it. it has alot of missing peices and issues so just because you like it dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

[bkrich83]

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I agree. But Carlos would never say those things.

He's right though. Those Madden arguments were indeed brought in to this thread.

[baa7]

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I dont think you get it. I LIKE THE GAME. i play it and enjoy it.

it has alot of missing peices and issues so just because you like it dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

That's the way I feel -

Pitching: like
Editing options: like
Graphics and player models: like
Hitting: don't like
Animations: don't like
Presentation and commentary: don't like
Glitches and sloppy overall quality: don't like

That's 3 likes and 4 don't likes, and I would rate the game between 6.5 and 7, so I guess I'm being generous

And to be fair, a lot of people who have defended the game since day one, have also repeatedly listed the things in the game they're unhappy about. At this point, people coming here and telling others how bad the game is, and telling others they're in denial, is overkill. Like vultures coming back to pick the carcass clean, again and again. It's DEAD already!

[sportsdude]

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going back to Williams' article, I don't think it was the most well-written piece amongst the other new stuff on OS.

It seemed to spend a lot of time killing 2k8 while slipping in a sentence about how the gameplay was actually fun.

Also, Patrick mentioned how the new gameplay features were fun and inventive, yet later in the article he says the new pitching bored him and was too slow. Well, which is it Patrick?

I also find it funny when people complain about graphics in a sports game. I mean, different things matter to different people but for sports games, graphics are usually a tertiary or even quaternary concern to me.

[bkrich83]

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I also find it funny when people complain about graphics in a sports game. I mean, different things matter to different people but for sports games, graphics are usually a tertiary or even quaternary concern to me.

Everyone's priorities are different. When I pay 60 dollars for a baseball game to play on my $400-$500 console, I personally want gameplay and graphics to be top notch. Maybe it's just me.

[roadman]

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Everyone's priorities are different. When I pay 60 dollars for a baseball game to play on my $400-$500 console, I personally want gameplay and graphics to be top notch. Maybe it's just me.

Bk;

I hear what you are saying, but I've played HH on a high end PC and enjoyed many years of it. We both know HH's graphics were substandard even 5 years ago.

I want what you want too, but the way I look at it, I survived 4 years of HH on the PC and wasn't disappointed with gameplay, which is probably the key word.

HH never updated the commentary and they only updated the graphics in the last year. And the commentary was more loopy than 2k8's.

[Shadymamba]

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I dont get it..ive played the game...i think its fine...a lot of people say the game is cool..i dont know what people are looking for its a VIDEO GAME..everygame has flaws, but i think people are looking for a television broadcast type video game...i say either trade it in or dont play it anymore dont continue to say i hate this and i hate that..and then when the patch comes out i love this and i love that...just give it back!!

ps. i have it on HD as well and its fine to me..maybe because i just play for the fun of it

[aggro77]

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Name a game, any sport, that plays correctly out of the box and please do not tell me The Show because I have it too and it has plenty of flaws which people seem to just bypass for some reason. After playing 2K8 and going back to The Show I find it very stiff and tedious to try and complete nine innings in The Show, but that's just my opinion. .

Stiff and tedious and just plain lacking in the fun department. MLB 2K8 may not be perfect but with a little tweaking here and there it is fun.

[DannyMac910]

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I remember back in the day when I didn't rely on the internet, or even magazines for that matter, to find game reviews. It was fun just being a kid and anticipating a games release. I would prepare, ask my mom and make sure she had enough money to get the game. Then we'd head down to GameStop pick it up. (And ignore the clerk when he asked me if I was sure I wanted All-Star Baseball and not MVP.) And I would ferociously rip open the package on the bus ride home. When I got home I would just enjoy the game as much as possible. I didn't know about frame rate or bugs and glitches. I would just play for hours, not blaming the developers or in-game sliders for the problems. So now I find myself more and more ignoring what people say in reviews and I just find the game that is most fun for me. It's kind of like when you hear movie reviews. They may say a movie is the best of the year, but you still might not like it. Or they can say it's the worst, but you may find it very enjoyable. So I ask you, do you want to rely on someone elses opinion of a game? Or your own? You decide.

[CMH]

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dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

Who said the game is perfect?

[CMH]

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Does the six years include the time when the building was too small for people to get inside or does it just include the enlarged version? haha. Great movie.

Edit: I also use the crazy pills reference too. I use it about once a month.

I think that's a fair quota. I think there are enough things in life to warrant heavier usage but then it would just dumb down the meaning.

[CMH]

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He's right though. Those Madden arguments were indeed brought in to this thread.

Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it.

I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

[bkrich83]

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Bk;

I hear what you are saying, but I've played HH on a high end PC and enjoyed many years of it. We both know HH's graphics were substandard even 5 years ago.

I want what you want too, but the way I look at it, I survived 4 years of HH on the PC and wasn't disappointed with gameplay, which is probably the key word.

HH never updated the commentary and they only updated the graphics in the last year. And the commentary was more loopy than 2k8's.

Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there.

The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago.

Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH.

The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

[roadman]

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Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there.

The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago.

Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH.

The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

I only lurked there myself, seemed like a lot of arguing.

I hung out mostly at Sim Central for the modding features.

Maybe the bar has been set higher, but I do remember even people with xbox's and ps2's ripping on HH graphics and sound, so, to me, nothing has changed in five years.

No, I don't have a PS3 , so, I don't have the Show, but I've heard it very close to HH. Unfortunately, I married an Accountant. It was similar to pulling teeth for the 360, so, I'd prefer to stay out of divorce court for the time being.

I'm sure if I had The Show, I would love it. I am content with the gameplay of 2k8, as I'm able to draw walks and throw walks as well.

[bkrich83]

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Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it.

I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

It was a diehard 2k fan who brought Madden in to this thread. Just to further his agenda to take shots at EA games at any opportunity.

With this articles, I take it for what it is. An opinion piece that is representative of one man's opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't get the outrage. Opinion pieces aren't a new phenomenon.

Do I agree with his take? No not really. He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such. But he's entitled to his opinion, and he has this place to express his opinions. The whole why isn't "The Show" held to the same standard or "What about Madden" arguments are moot, since this wasn't a review, it was an opinion on a single game by a single guy. Madden, The Show and any other game out there is irrelevent to this article.

Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.