UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

[hogfan]

December 10th in Montreal.

Supposedly this is going to be officially announced next week.

-Georges St-Pierre (22-2; #1 Welterweight)* vs. Nick Diaz (25-7; #4 Welterweight)*
-Carlos Condit (27-5) vs. B.J. Penn (16-7-2)
-Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (27-9-2) vs. Roy Nelson (15-6)
-Hatsu Hioki (24-4-2; #3 Featherweight) vs. George Roop (12-7-1)
-Cheick Kongo (16-6-2) vs. Matt Mitrione (5-0)
-Dennis Siver (19-7) vs. Donald Cerrone (16-3)
-Brandon Vera (11-5) vs. Eliot Marshall (10-3)
-Tyson Griffin (15-5) vs. Bart Palaszewski (35-4)
-Tim Credeur (12-4) vs. Brad Tavares (7-1)
-Danny Downes (8-2) vs. Ramsey Nijem (4-2)
-Scott Jorgensen (12-4; #4 Bantamweight) vs. Jeff Curran (33-13-1)

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Yeah hopefully it becomes official.

I haven't been entertained by a GSP bout in a looooong time. This may finally change.

[redsrule]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

It won't ex, it will be worse. I believe Diaz has better BJJ than Shields though, and better boxing, but his weak spot has always been wrestling.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Anybody got a link to the info?

[Sandman42]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Anybody got a link to the info?

http://mmaweekly.com/georges-st-pier...y-as-next-week

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

It won't ex, it will be worse. I believe Diaz has better BJJ than Shields though, and better boxing, but his weak spot has always been wrestling.

My only hope is Diaz actually won't wimp out and not let his hands go. I still agree with earlier comments about Diaz probably going down against the other elite wrestlers in the UFC, but hell Diaz strikes me as the type of guy who will go all out and not shell up.

Not to mention Diaz' cardio is probably on GSP's level.

[redsrule]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

My only hope is Diaz actually won't wimp out and not let his hands go. I still agree with earlier comments about Diaz probably going down against the other elite wrestlers in the UFC, but hell Diaz strikes me as the type of guy who will go all out and not shell up.

Not to mention Diaz' cardio is probably on GSP's level.

True, but his problem has always been wrestling. I doubt he can sub him too, but it is possible. If he starts letting his hands fly, he might get taken down easier, thus him possibly being tentative.

[allBthere]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

I don't like this...it delay's the possibly exciting future and even may ruin it. I make no bones about it, Diaz has NOTHING for GSP.

If GSP takes another fight at WW it should be against Anthony Johnson. From there he can properly assess what it's like fighting a true middleweight (and maybe a big one at that).

If GSP wants to stay at WW, that's his choice and I wouldn't really blame him with his frame, but even in that case his biggest challenge imo would still be johnson.

Either they setup a 'superfight' just because of the p4p thing and gsp can remain at ww losing a bit of weight afterwards, or if he's moving up make him fight johnson, and either silva right away or a full blown mw fight against a contender like belfor, and so on.

This fight just eats up precious prime-career time

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

I don't like this...it delay's the possibly exciting future and even may ruin it. I make no bones about it, Diaz has NOTHING for GSP.

If GSP takes another fight at WW it should be against Anthony Johnson. From there he can properly assess what it's like fighting a true middleweight (and maybe a big one at that).

If GSP wants to stay at WW, that's his choice and I wouldn't really blame him with his frame, but even in that case his biggest challenge imo would still be johnson.

Either they setup a 'superfight' just because of the p4p thing and gsp can remain at ww losing a bit of weight afterwards, or if he's moving up make him fight johnson, and either silva right away or a full blown mw fight against a contender like belfor, and so on.

This fight just eats up precious prime-career time

Come on bro, Diaz deserves the shot.

The one guy left in the world.

After this we can start him on his journey to MW.

He just turned 30, he has plenty of time to move up the right way.

[allBthere]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Come on bro, Diaz deserves the shot.

The one guy left in the world.

After this we can start him on his journey to MW.

He just turned 30, he has plenty of time to move up the right way.

and how old is anderson? If GSP doesn't move up and stays in WW he will retire by 34 or sooner. Who do you think wins between Diaz and Johnson?

I completely understand what you're saying btw, it's just that it's moot in my opinion. There's a list of more than one dude Diaz loses to in the UFC.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Nick Diaz deserves the shot and it's a fight that fans want to see. Just because you feel like he'll lose to GSP doesn't mean that he shouldn't get a chance to see what he can do. If that was the case we wouldn't see a lot of fights get made. You also can't dictate fights based on some assumption of when you think GSP might retire. None of us know when that day will be.

As far as Anthony Johnson goes, he needs some more wins before deserving a shot at GSP. Dan Hardy is his biggest victory to date and he lost to Koscheck before that. I do think it would be an interesting matchup though.

[jeremym480]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

Nick Diaz deserves the shot and it's a fight that fans want to see. Just because you feel like he'll lose to GSP doesn't mean that he shouldn't get a chance to see what he can do. If that was the case we wouldn't see a lot of fights get made. You also can't dictate fights based on some assumption of when you think GSP might retire. None of us know when that day will be.

As far as Anthony Johnson goes, he needs some more wins before deserving a shot at GSP. Dan Hardy is his biggest victory to date and he lost to Koscheck before that. I do think it would be an interesting matchup though.

Exactly. In order for Johnson to deserve a title shot he needs to rattle off three or four wins against guys like Alves, Fitch, Koscheck, etc. He did look impressive in the win over Hardy though.

As for GSP vs. Diaz, the only thing I can say is..... Can't wait!

[aholbert32]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

I don't like this...it delay's the possibly exciting future and even may ruin it. I make no bones about it, Diaz has NOTHING for GSP.

If GSP takes another fight at WW it should be against Anthony Johnson. From there he can properly assess what it's like fighting a true middleweight (and maybe a big one at that).

If GSP wants to stay at WW, that's his choice and I wouldn't really blame him with his frame, but even in that case his biggest challenge imo would still be johnson.

Either they setup a 'superfight' just because of the p4p thing and gsp can remain at ww losing a bit of weight afterwards, or if he's moving up make him fight johnson, and either silva right away or a full blown mw fight against a contender like belfor, and so on.

This fight just eats up precious prime-career time

Johnson? Who lost to Koscheck not so long ago? Lets have Rumble win a few more fights before we give him a shot at GSP. Also if I'm the UFC I would be hesitant to put Rumble in a PPV main event before he can prove that he can consistently make weight. We arent that far from the time he showed up 6 pounds over against Yoshida.

Also its clear GSP doesnt want to move up and the UFC isnt going to force him. He believes that if he attempts to move up he will never be able to get back down to WW comfortably. I dont think thats true but it is his belief. Diaz is arguably a top 3 WW and there is nothing wrong with booking this fight.

[aholbert32]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

and how old is anderson? If GSP doesn't move up and stays in WW he will retire by 34 or sooner. Who do you think wins between Diaz and Johnson?

I completely understand what you're saying btw, it's just that it's moot in my opinion. There's a list of more than one dude Diaz loses to in the UFC.

I think Diaz would submit Johnson. He's never fought a BJJ ace and Diaz's ability to take a punch and boxing ability would frustrate Johnson on his feet.

I could see Diaz losing to Fitch, Penn and maybe Kos.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: GSP vs Diaz

and how old is anderson? If GSP doesn't move up and stays in WW he will retire by 34 or sooner. Who do you think wins between Diaz and Johnson?

I completely understand what you're saying btw, it's just that it's moot in my opinion. There's a list of more than one dude Diaz loses to in the UFC.

I agree with you on Anderson's age, and that the longer Anderson has to wait the further he moves away from his prime.

Unfortunately it is what it is, IMO anyway a microwave "superfight" between Spider and GSP would be semi hollow. GSP, if serious about moving up in weight, should do it the right way and do a number of preliminary bouts before he got a shot at Silva.

As far as your other point about Diaz maybe losing to other guys outside of GSP, that is a moot point IMO as well. Everyone in the WW division has already lost to GSP and all of the contenders have gotten their chance. It's time for Diaz to get his chance now.