2K19: Long Pass Spam

**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 05:45 PM

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I guess I don't agree with what your saying. Long passes are part of basketball. Especially the good passers.

Last 2 years I've fought for what passing is right now.

You can't go just throwing passes now like in years before. If a defender is in the area of a long (any pass for that matter). The offensive player will fumble the ball. Another nice addition they added was the CPU has a passing vision thing (think madden passing vision). All defenders not looking at the ball will lose track of it.

All these passes look legit in my opinion. People are trying to bring this game down to a half court game all the time. But basketball is more than that. You should be able to throw long passes with good passers.

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Then whats the point of having a great passers?

**OrlandoTill** · 01-05-2018, 05:51 PM

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Are these cheese passes if it's Kemba Walker, Kyle Lowry, and Delon Wright(bobbled instance) throwing these passes?

I agree that the Embiid one was egregious.

**Kushmir** · 01-05-2018, 05:57 PM

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Yeah we're on different sides of the fence here, jeebs.

Originally posted by jeebs9

Then whats the point of having a great passers?

Not to make defenders stupid....in the same way defenders shouldnt part like the red sea for an elite rated player who's driving....they shouldn't turn into idiots just because a good passer is the one throwing the dime.

I don't know how anyone can look at the defender reactions in any of those clips and be like: "Yup...that's what defenders should do." but hey--maybe that's just me.

Defenders get back facing the ball....that's basketball 101.

**Kushmir** · 01-05-2018, 06:20 PM

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Hit ahead passes when no defender is there? FINE. I've got zero issue with a good passer making that play.

But defenders right there in the play (and not facing the ball when they should be?) conceding the catch? Naw...that's horrible gameplay.

Look at 1:12 of the clip you posted....why is Eric Maynor facing the play but Collison still with his back to the ball when they're in the paint already? Van Horn has his back to the ball too....but then his psychic senses kick in when Kidd passes it? NAW.

Thats bad gameplay. If anything show me Van Horn looking back for the ball so I know he's ready to receive a pass--by your logic he should be unaware as well, no?

The next play at 1:17 I like...#14 steals the ball because he's facing the ball (as most defenders should be) and you pass it CROSS-COURT into his vicinity and he reacts...just like he should. And i'm not only advocating steals, lets see deflections out of bounds...SOMETHING. Anything but defenders simply watching the ball whiz by their heads.

Because the real problem is that the long pass unrealistically breaks the defense and creates open shots galore:

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**BluFu** · 01-05-2018, 07:09 PM

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Long passes aren't actually the main issue.

The real problem is that the defense still doesn't set up at an NBA level speed.

Whether you pass the ball quickly up the court or you take a player and sprint up the court yourself, you will probably expose some massive holes in the defense.

**VAWereWolf65** · 01-05-2018, 07:21 PM

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I don’t think the problem is long passes. I can throw a pass to an open man down court fairly easily, and these are NBA players. They know how to make a pass.

In my opinion, the problem is that the defense doesn’t get back fast enough. They slowly jog up court with no sense of urgency

**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by OrlandoTill

Are these cheese passes if it's Kemba Walker, Kyle Lowry, and Delon Wright(bobbled instance) throwing these passes?

I agree that the Embiid one was egregious.

That's because Embid is big man. Your little guys have to help him get back.

The other thing most people don't have on. Is to have your defense run back. Instead of crashing the boards.

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**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kushmir

Hit ahead passes when no defender is there? FINE. I've got zero issue with a good passer making that play.

But defenders right there in the play (and not facing the ball when they should be?) conceding the catch? Naw...that's horrible gameplay.

Look at 1:12 of the clip you posted....why is Eric Maynor facing the play but Collison still with his back to the ball when they're in the paint already? Van Horn has his back to the ball too....but then his psychic senses kick in when Kidd passes it? NAW.

Thats bad gameplay. If anything show me Van Horn looking back for the ball so I know he's ready to receive a pass--by your logic he should be unaware as well, no?

The next play at 1:17 I like...#14 steals the ball because he's facing the ball (as most defenders should be) and you pass it CROSS-COURT into his vicinity and he reacts...just like he should. And i'm not only advocating steals, lets see deflections out of bounds...SOMETHING. Anything but defenders simply watching the ball whiz by their heads.

Because the real problem is that the long pass unrealistically breaks the defense and creates open shots galore:

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There has to be weakness for big guys on the floor. When a player is running back. He can't keep an eye on his covers and run back on defense.

That's where his teammates need to help out. You can't make slow bigs super aware of every pass. We also have tons of tipped passes now. Much more then we've ever had.

I'm not saying passing is perfect. This is the only year I've ever felt in control of my own breaks and my opponents.

Has anyone played with 5 guards or a forward? You'll notice those passes don't rock. Players like Shaq can't run like that. And shouldn't be able to see these type of passes. But again that the check and balance right there. Shaq would dominate a 5 man small group. But the challenge is keeping the transition chances down.

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**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 07:42 PM

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One of the other things I noticed about the Embid clip. It's seems you take him out of position by bring him up the court. Instead of playing back. You completely take him out of position to recover and defend that play.

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**Kushmir** · 01-05-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by VAWereWolf65

I don’t think the problem is long passes. I can throw a pass to an open man down court fairly easily, and these are NBA players. They know how to make a pass.

In my opinion, the problem is that the defense doesn’t get back fast enough. They slowly jog up court with no sense of urgency

I'll agree with both you and BluFu re: defense not getting back fast enough or FACING THE BALL. But here again, 3/4 court passes should be much lower than say, a handoff on the accuracy scale.

But this whole "everything is ok...that's what is SUPPOSED to happen?" NAW. Thats Ludicrous.

**Kushmir** · 01-05-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by jeebs9

One of the other things I noticed about the Embid clip. It's seems you take him out of position by bring him up the court. Instead of playing back. You completely take him out of position to recover and defend that play.

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Watch again....I play the 2 (JJ in this case) I never touch Embiid.

**Kushmir** · 01-05-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by jeebs9

There has to be weakness for big guys on the floor. When a player is running back. He can't keep an eye on his covers and run back on defense.

Do Whaaaaat? I guess Ball-You-Man hasn't been a hoops concepts since the 60s? C'mon Jeebs...you been drinking bruh?

Defenses get back facing the ball and covering their assignment as a rule--its not like being in two places at once. I get that you want to pass the ball a certain way but I think we both agree good gameplay comes first.

**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Kushmir

Watch again....I play the 2 (JJ in this case) I never touch Embiid.

Yeah I guess he should of been going back there.

Here is the thing though. 2k has to leave some holes. To me Embid is in perfect position to start. Right up until the point he starts coming forward. You can't expect the CPU to cover everything.

I'm guessing Embid switched into half court cover my man mode. And probably played tight. Came forward to play tight. Blow by....

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**jeebs9** · 01-05-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kushmir

Do Whaaaaat? I guess Ball-You-Man hasn't been a hoops concepts since the 60s? C'mon Jeebs...you been drinking bruh?

Defenses get back facing the ball and covering their assignment asa rule--its not like being in two places at once. I get that you want to pass the ball a certain way but I think we both agree good gameplay comes first.

I just had my first drink. And I still feel the same way as before. When players are running back on defense their backs have to be to the back of the offense as they get back. Once they settle down. They should be all facing forward. Defense is set now. But this is what I call mini transition.

Any problems with the passes below?

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The big man is always the last to get back. But he shouldn't be as fast as a guard or forward.

Another awesome improvement this year. Is you can kind of tough or run with your cover off ball. Any pass made will be tipped (if you press steal) or the offensive player will fumble it no matter what.

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