Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

[Pedro_Guap]

Recently saw a comment stating that it's wrong to express hatred or contempt for the EA UFC project managers and devs.

I completely disagree. EA is advertising a UFC simulation. This isn't marketed as a goofy NBA Jam style of game.

Yet, they have all sorts of goofball mechanics, exploits and all sorts of "features" that I have never seen anyone ask for.

In top of this, EA sells incomplete games and we basically need to hope that they patch it into something playable.

This has not happened for UFC 4. And they tell customers to "deal with it" or "play something else".

The practice of selling incomplete games is deplorable; being smug and happy with the current state of the game (after taking our money) is worthy of hate.

You all sold something you knew was incomplete (for full price) and don't listen to the masses when we point out flaws that need to be addressed in the name of fairness.

I hate people that steal money from me or trick me into buying something that doesn't live up to it's promise.

EA, in my humble opinion, has earned the hatred they receive.

[TheRizzzle]

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Recently saw a comment stating that it's wrong to express hatred or contempt for the EA UFC project managers and devs.



I completely disagree. EA is advertising a UFC simulation. This isn't marketed as a goofy NBA Jam style of game.



Yet, they have all sorts of goofball mechanics, exploits and all sorts of "features" that I have never seen anyone ask for.



In top of this, EA sells incomplete games and we basically need to hope that they patch it into something playable.



This has not happened for UFC 4. And they tell customers to "deal with it" or "play something else".



The practice of selling incomplete games is deplorable; being smug and happy with the current state of the game (after taking our money) is worthy of hate.



You all sold something you knew was incomplete (for full price) and don't listen to the masses when we point out flaws that need to be addressed in the name of fairness.



I hate people that steal money from me or trick me into buying something that doesn't live up to it's promise.



EA, in my humble opinion, has earned the hatred they receive.

Where are they advertising it as a simulation?

Keep in mind, I'd be looking for you to produce an actual piece of advertising that uses the word "simulation."

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[aholbert32]

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Where are they advertising it as a simulation?

Keep in mind, I'd be looking for you to produce an actual piece of advertising that uses the word "simulation."

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He will likely use "its in the game".

Also, EA marketing has used the word "simulation" in past blogs for UFC 2 and I think maybe they did it once for 3.

With that said, claiming that you were "tricked" is ****ing laughable. Especially when it comes to 4. There was a beta. There was EA Access where people could try the game for 5 dollars. There were tons of impressions when the game came out. There were multiple people like me who flat out told everyone that this game was not a hardcore simulation and that the devs never planned to make it one.

People couldnt help themselves and bought the game anyway. I wouldnt be shocked if sales wise UFC 4 was the most successful version in the franchise (just a guess based on how happy the devs seemed with the numbers).

People want change but keep giving EA $60 as a reward everytime they release a game. Its time to look in the damn mirror.

[Pedro_Guap]

Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

He will likely use "its in the game".

Also, EA marketing has used the word "simulation" in past blogs for UFC 2 and I think maybe they did it once for 3.

With that said, claiming that you were "tricked" is ****ing laughable. Especially when it comes to 4. There was a beta. There was EA Access where people could try the game for 5 dollars. There were tons of impressions when the game came out. There were multiple people like me who flat out told everyone that this game was not a hardcore simulation and that the devs never planned to make it one.

People couldnt help themselves and bought the game anyway. I wouldnt be shocked if sales wise UFC 4 was the most successful version in the franchise (just a guess based on how happy the devs seemed with the numbers).

People want change but keep giving EA $60 as a reward everytime they release a game. Its time to look in the damn mirror.

Dang it! You beat me to providing evidence of EA's snake oiling (by explicitly stating it was a sim to implying it it ads).

But thank you for that.

I will also admit that you are correct. I was the fool. I relied on patches to fix things. I had high hopes because the actual game was a significant improvement over the beta.

It will never happen again.

I can state this with confidence as there will be sports combat options going forward.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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You'll be back.

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[tomitomitomi]

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What I was actually saying is that it's pathetic and shallow-minded to think it's reasonable to hate video game developers for releasing a subpar game (in your opinion) when there are companies that have gotten people killed for profits. Whatever ill you think UFC devs have done is so low on the totem pole even within gaming companies, let alone all businesses.

Obviously you can critique developers but when you make immature and oblivious hyperboles like that nobody is going to take you seriously.

[Ducote]

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Yea I agree the game sucks, once you accept it, it’s easier to focus the few good things, its definitely the hardest mma game to enjoy that I’ve ever played, if I play more than 4-5 fights per day I’ll be burned out for weeks

[Leiqueros]

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Disappointed yes, but I don't feel cheated.

I expected much more from this game to be honest, especially it has disappointed me in everything that has to do with the creation CAFs, I was hopeful that thanks to a patch they would at least return to the state they were in UFC 3, with All the shortcomings of only being able to create 22, but that they could be edited completely, and that he could choose his clothes before the fights, but none of that has happened, and I honestly do not expect it anymore.

[RetractedMonkey]

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This is absolutely a red flag to show when someone is so detached from reality and lacks complete emotional maturity to parse these complicated issues beyond black and white.

We’ve all seen this guy’s posts. This is nothing new, but I want people who dislike the game to take a look at this guy and ask yourself if you are saying things in this same manner and want to be like him when making your posts.

This guy is lost, but I know many of you just want to best experience possible. Don’t be this guy.


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[Leiqueros]

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The word hate is totally out of context, when you are upset or disappointed by how a game has gone from which much more is expected, I can disagree and disagree with the direction that this series is taking, but that has nothing to do with the feeling that I may have with the developers, even in the case of Skynet and TapOrSnap I have a lot of empathy towards them, although I do not always share their opinions, since I highly value that they enter here and give us their explanations and opinions regarding the game, which it is to be thankful

[Blackman316]

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Hatred is indeed a strong word, and - like so many people nowadays - you don't really seem to understand the meaning of it. If you "hate" people for this, you've either got bigger issues or simply misuse the term.



You are absolutely right with your claims: the game is still bugged and - though they don't refuse to acknowledge the issues - they seem incapable to or unwilling to fix them.



Still, one cannot deny that a lot of love went into the series. Quite frankly, it's more than I expected from EA.



I don't know enough about engines and programming to hurl other insults at them. All I know is that I enjoy the game. It could've been so much more in terms of immersion, and I don't like some decisions they've made, but I guess their priorities lie elsewhere. Too bad for me.


But indeed: to have the audacity to claim that you were tricked... Come on man, you're just like the people pre-ordering WWE2k20. Despite their influencer-team that told everyone is had lots of bugs, the terrible history of buggy releases, Steam having a 2h(?) refund policy, (...) people STILL went on and bought it. I...just don't get that behavior.



I for one have never heard them claim it was a pure simulation.

[Raiseup]

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Personally I've deleted the game (I play career and the lack of updates to that mode means I've got everything I can from that mode), so clearly I'm not the biggest fan of UFC 4.

But hate?!? C'mon, grow up. So many "fans" online talk about devs like they know everything their job consists of and they're just being lazy. Meanwhile we have umpteen articles about crunch and dev teams being overworked. Please connect some dots.

The devs have mentioned their budgetary restrictions so many times on here (yes, EA makes loads of money, that doesn't mean they share it amongst every team) and yet people still blindly compare it to FIFA (one of the best selling games in the world).

At this point, your energy might be best directed towards a wishlist for UFC 5 or something rather than hating strangers.

[kehlis]

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Recently saw a comment stating that it's wrong to express hatred or contempt for the EA UFC project managers and devs.

I completely disagree. EA is advertising a UFC simulation. This isn't marketed as a goofy NBA Jam style of game.

Yet, they have all sorts of goofball mechanics, exploits and all sorts of "features" that I have never seen anyone ask for.

In top of this, EA sells incomplete games and we basically need to hope that they patch it into something playable.

This has not happened for UFC 4. And they tell customers to "deal with it" or "play something else".

The practice of selling incomplete games is deplorable; being smug and happy with the current state of the game (after taking our money) is worthy of hate.

You all sold something you knew was incomplete (for full price) and don't listen to the masses when we point out flaws that need to be addressed in the name of fairness.

I hate people that steal money from me or trick me into buying something that doesn't live up to it's promise.

EA, in my humble opinion, has earned the hatred they receive.

Read these two bolded portions from your post out loud.

If you can't tell the difference between the two, I can fill in the blanks if you would like.

[Irish0331]

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Yea I agree the game sucks, once you accept it, it’s easier to focus the few good things, its definitely the hardest mma game to enjoy that I’ve ever played, if I play more than 4-5 fights per day I’ll be burned out for weeks

You nailed it perfectly. It's the same with me. I've played every MMA game since the dawn of MMA gaming until my fingers bled. With 4, I'm all set after a handful of bouts. Removing clinch fighting/cage grinding sucks an entire dimension of the game out. Thats the biggest thing for me. Other things like the inability to have total control over our cafs (stats, moves sets) is a huge thumbs down. 22 caf slots? Really? Its hard to look at this game and say it was improved upon (even though there are clearly improvements in some areas) and upgraded when there are such glaring omissions from the previous release.

[Blackman316]

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Read these two bolded portions from your post out loud.
If you can't tell the difference between the two, I can fill in the blanks if you would like.

Maybe you should read his post again? He structured his reasoning quite well actually. Though I disagree with him, I fail to see what you're trying to prove here?

As people said before: you're not being "tricked". There's a 10hour demo. If you haven't figured out what the game is about in that time, you're doing something wrong. They might "trick" you into preordering, but that's completely on you man...


edit: Oh, I see you're a modder. If it's against the rules of the forum than I get your intention.