Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

[fideco]

Hello everyone
Last night I wanted to take in hand two previous versions of Fifa and check the defensive movements of the CM to support the defense. I was amazed, comparing them with the movements of the bad 21, where they stop in midfield whatever the sliders used. The problem is huge and with appropriate sliders can only be limited by drastically lowering the length of the defense, but not solved.
In this regard, I'm afraid (and not just me) that in Fifa 22 (as in the very bad 21) the midfielders, from what few I've seen from the official videos (but it's enough for an experienced eye), do not return back in an incisive and massive way to support the defensive line: it is still favored the logic Fut of 1 Versus 1, so the attackers constantly dominate the defense (6 vs 4)

These videos refer to a previous version of Fifa and show instead a solid participation of the cm to the defensive support: in the first video the opponent CM chases my attacker, pulls him, brakes him and allows an easy intervention of the right fullback ... so the last quarter in the meantime has been properly covered by the four defenders.
All the central and lateral Cm have returned and crowd the last area of the field.
This is to say that Fifa was excellent in the defensive phase OFFLINE: it was easy to continue along the path taken, but the pressure of the people Fut that fills EA cash has obviously had the better.

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In the second video the goal of the cpu comes from a brilliant defensive move always with the support of the CM and it is a nice counterattack play.Note that all the CMs are back to protect the defense.

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We just have to wait for the final version of Fifa 22: personally on the specific problem described i'm not absolutely confident.
It remains to be seen whether in the ratio bad/benefits NG, the benefits far outweigh the first (I refer only to the gameplay)
See you soon

P.S Sliders used in Videos: Professional by fideco Fifa 18

[PhillyPhanatic14]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

Any optimism about this being fixed in FIFA 22 is just blind optimism because it's not supported by the gameplay we've seen to this point. The CM issue is present in any footage of that part of the field that's been released for the new game. They have two months to fix it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Rmiok222]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

Any optimism about this being fixed in FIFA 22 is just blind optimism because it's not supported by the gameplay we've seen to this point. The CM issue is present in any footage of that part of the field that's been released for the new game. They have two months to fix it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

That’s the thing, I don’t think it’s “broke” so I don’t see them fixing it. This is sadly exactly how they want it to play.


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[jrnlgrn]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

I think it was a deep dive or one of the videos where they mention something about defensive awareness rating "continuing" to play a big part in middle defensive behavior. I believe a game changer last year said the devs said it was on purpose and that people just needed players with better defensive attributes.

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[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

I'm not confident about this issue being addressed in Fifa 22.

This is yet another benefit granted to the Fut world that wants less and less interference from the cpu playing their moves, emphasizing the logic of 1 versus 1.
The fallout on the 21 offline gameplay has been very bad and has surprised the offline people:
for the first time the player attacks in a position of unfair advantage on the cpu (6 versus 4) according to a precise choice of programming by the Dev Team.
Obviously the criticism is symmetrical when the cpu attacks.
It's a lost battle: as I said I fear that Fifa 22 will not deviate from this policy that matches logic of marketing and CASH.

[JayD]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

In a video by one of the devs they stated that the reason why they had FIFA 21 AI not tracking back is that it resulted in too many defensive clusters preventing higher scoring games.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

In a video by one of the devs they stated that the reason why they had FIFA 21 AI not tracking back is that it resulted in too many defensive clusters preventing higher scoring games.

That's disheartening. If the devs don't want to create a football game that plays realistically then they're the wrong people to be making the game. Creating bad player awareness on purpose is just insane.

[dubcity]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

In a video by one of the devs they stated that the reason why they had FIFA 21 AI not tracking back is that it resulted in too many defensive clusters preventing higher scoring games.

Exactly. There are FIFA games in the past 10 years that have been more simulation, with a more realistic defensive midfield, but that's not what the devs or online players want. FIFA 14 on 360/PS3 played pretty slow like that, for example. FIFA 21 is one of the all-time worst when it comes to speed and unrealistic gameplay.

[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

This picture, taken from a video of Fifa 22 is a perfect representation of the CM that do not come back: the four midfielders are outside the perimeter of "risk" and they just watch.....at least one should go to bother the ball carrier....

It's a surreal situation, EA don't realize that offline the two lines in defensive phase when the ball is on the edge of the area in a situation of risk, must not be geometrically parallel and distant, but must cross each other, contaminate each other and focus on marking/pressing the ball carrier.

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[GoBlue81188]

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That picture is enough to make ya cry! I was really hoping this CM issue was corrected in 22. E-Football looks like a disaster at launch and now FIFA running back the same poor defensive logic.

As it was mentioned, this won't be fixed because to EA it is not broken. Its 100% as intended. Sadly, even with the slider wizards out there, we cannot correct their obvious lack of tactical understandings.

[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

The above frame was taken from a short gameplay video included by EA in its "The Pitch Notes FIFA 22 GAMEPLAY DEEP DIVE", just under the heading "DEFENDING"

https://www.ea.com/games/fifa/fifa-22/news/pitch-notes-fifa-22-gameplay-deep-dive?isLocalized=true

Here the official same video on y.t

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Take a look at minute 0:19

[1860fan]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

n this video it doesn't look too bad with the defensive behavior, or what do you think ..?</pre>

[ImmortalMindz]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

This picture, taken from a video of Fifa 22 is a perfect representation of the CM that do not come back: the four midfielders are outside the perimeter of "risk" and they just watch.....at least one should go to bother the ball carrier....

It's a surreal situation, EA don't realize that offline the two lines in defensive phase when the ball is on the edge of the area in a situation of risk, must not be geometrically parallel and distant, but must cross each other, contaminate each other and focus on marking/pressing the ball carrier.

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I know most people in here want a simulation-type experience but at some point we gotta get to grips that the devs first priority is for multiplayer gaming, and they're increasingly under pressure to lean into the competitive experience and focus more on rewarding player skill. As someone who plays both FUT and CM, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm sure I'm like most in that I'd love to have different versions of gameplay - or at least different AI - for single player and multiplayer but that's just not going to happen.

For me, I'm now just more concerned with having a balanced gameplay experience, and IMO that image above isn't all that worrisome and is actually reason for optimism. Yes, you'd like to see those CMs be more intentional with helping out when the midfield line is beaten (though what would that image look like if it's CDMs and not CMs) but on the other hand you can't just ignore that whoever is defending in that image isn't even controlling a player on the screen. That entire situation would be mitigated if the player was controlling a CM and brought him deep.

While concerns over the CM behavior are totally valid, the overall team's positioning is greatly improved relative to what you'd typically see in FIFA 21. While it's not the more simulation type gameplay we may want, as long as overall positioning is improved - and IMO it appears that's the case in pretty much everything that we 've seen so far - we should be able to defend more solidly and competently at default settings. That alone would be a huge win in my books.

As long as the CPU is competent at defending - yes, a big if as always with FIFA - overall it looks much better than what we have currently and I'll take it.

[fideco]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

n this video it doesn't look too bad with the defensive behavior, or what do you think ..?</pre>

Please watch carefully... the CM are just observing and they have stopped.
They show no interest in the activity of player
Take a look at my Fifa 18 videos and you'll notice that instead CM were very active, backing a lot, chasing and pressing the ball carrier.
They should behave like that in Fifa 22 too, but unfortunately it is not so (as in Fifa 21) , and I fear it will be the same in in Fifa 22 from what I saw.

[jrnlgrn]

Re: Fifa 22 CM not tracking back again ???

It also happens when the CPU is defending or if you're player locked. This has nothing to doing with getting good, being more active or needing better defenders. It's just a design decision that negatively impacts the offline CM players which they care about but not to the same degree that they care what online players needs.

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