NBA 2K23 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Next-Gen Slider Set

[EccentricMeat]

It's been a ROUGH last couple hours for those of us unfortunate enough to miss out on a trip to New Zealand this morning, but after an incredibly long day of watching every video and reading every single comment in the "2K23 Early Impressions" thread, I am ready to come out of the gates swinging.


From what I've been seeing and hearing, the guys over at 2K actually messed around and fixed: PnR defense... Help defense... OP brickwall defenders... Fastbreak rubber-banding... Lack of explosiveness from slashers on the perimeter... In-game injuries... AI attacking tendencies... AND they got the CPU going to the FT line at default????


If all this is true, we are in for one hell of a year. Is this FINALLY the year to upend 2K11 as the GOAT? Let's find out...


What's New in v0.0.2
- Updated Game Speed and attributes to offset 2K's micro-changes to movement
- Shot Success tweaked to nerf PiP
- Tweaks to multiple sliders to increase turnovers and create more fast-break opportunities
- Foul sliders maxed out to give more team fouls


2K Default Roster Slider Set v0.0.3 *ALPHA* - 9/17 Update

Spoiler

IMPORTANT: Main Menu > Features > Create Roster > NBA - Modern (Current) > Official 2KSports Roster
- Click R2/RT twice to bring up the Coaching Sliders tab.
- Set Help Defense to 50 or higher (I'm using 65 in my current testing) for every team.
- This will remove the long delay before the AI realizes they need to send help, fixing PnR and help defense.

Help Defense being set to 0 was an error/oversight by 2K and will be fixed in a future roster update (or may have been fixed by the time you're reading this), so in the meantime we need to update this slider ourselves, save the roster file, and then load that roster in Play Now before selecting teams.


NOTE: v0.0.2 changes are posted in BOLD
NOTE: v0.0.3 changes are posted in BOLD

Gameplay Settings
Difficulty - Superstar (More testing needed, but I like it so far)
Game Speed - 55-60 (Personal Preference; 2K changes this daily it seems; Currently using 58, but tweak to your liking)

Coach Settings
PlayVision - All Plays
PlayVision Display - Lite + Full
Offense Playcalling - Auto

Controller Settings
Shot Meter - Off
Shot Timing - Real Player % (Will likely switch to User Timing soon, but I've been testing too many teams at a time to learn all the jumpshots right now)
Free Throw Timing - Real Player %
Defensive Assist Strength - 100
Box Out Assist - 25
Pass Target Direction: 66
Pass Target Distance: 30
Pass Target Openness: 4

Camera Settings
Drive
Zoom - 1
Height - 5
Key Zoom - Off

or

Side
Zoom - 1
Height - 8
Key Zoom - Off

Drive is by FAR my favorite camera angle, especially with 2K23's overhaul to dribbling. Flicking the RS at the perfect angle is more essential than ever this year, and no camera makes this easier while making the gameplay more enjoyable and dynamic to look at than the Drive camera.


User vs. CPU Sliders
If there is only one value listed, it applies to both User and CPU. If there are two values, they will be in User/CPU format.


Offense
Inside Shot Success - 45
Close Shot Success - 45
Mid-Range Shot Success - 57
3PT Success - 61/60 (Increase/Decrease in 1 point intervals until happy)
Layup Success - 45
Shot Coverage Impact - 25
Shot Timing Impact - 0
Dunk in Traffic Frequency - 50
Dunk in Traffic Success - 50
Pass Accuracy - 50
Alley-Oop Success - 50
Contact Shot Success - 45
Ball Security - 0
Body Up Sensitivity - 100
Pass Speed - 30

Defense
Driving Contact Shot Frequency - 100
Inside Contact Shot Frequency - 100
Layup Defense Strength (Takeoff) - 80
Layup Defense Strength (Release) - 80
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Gather) - 70
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release) - 70
Help Defense Strength - 70
Steal Success - 55/50

Attributes
Acceleration - 40
Vertical – 50
Strength - 50
Speed – 45
Hustle - 60
Ball Handling - 50/55 (Feel free to decrease this for the USER if shaking your defender is too easy)
Hands - 55/50 (Increase for the CPU if you find passes into traffic too easy)
Dunking Ability - 50
On-Ball Defense - 75
Stealing - 50
Blocking - 40
Offensive Awareness - 55
Defensive Awareness - 75
Offensive Rebounding - 50
Defensive Rebounding - 50
Offensive Consistency - 50
Defensive Consistency - 55
Lateral Quickness - 15/25

Tendencies
Take Inside Shots - 47
Take Close Shots - 40
Take Mid-Range Shots - 45
Take 3PT Shots - 60
Post Shots - 45
Attack the Basket - 60
Look for Post Players - 45
Throw Alley-Oops - 50
Attempt Dunks - 50
Attempt Putbacks - 50
Play Passing Lanes - 80/65
Go for On-Ball Steals - 100
Contest Shots - 75
Backdoor Cuts - 50

Fouls
Over the Back Foul Frequency - 75
Charging Foul Frequency - 100
Blocking Foul Frequency - 100
Reaching Foul Frequency - 55
Shooting Foul Frequency - 90/65 (Increase USER to get the CPU more FTs)
Loose Ball Foul Frequency - 100
Illegal Screen - 100

Movement
Speed with Ball (Max) - 66
Speed with Ball (Min) - 33
Acceleration with Ball (Max) - 66
Acceleration with Ball (Min) - 33
Speed without Ball (Max) - 68
Speed without Ball (Min) - 34
Acceleration without Ball (Max) - 68
Acceleration without Ball (Min) - 34

Shoutout to @vannwolfhawk for the Movement sliders!

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Online ID: EccentricMeat
Content Name: Eccentric v003

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Content Name: Eccentric Modern V3


Now remember, this is just the foundation upon which my later slider sets will be built on. There is plenty of work left to be done before these are anywhere near final. However, in my opinion these sliders make the game look and feel noticeably better than the out-of-the-box gameplay (which is already great as it is), and I hope you guys feel the same way.

PLEASE post any and all CONSTRUCTIVE feedback, positive or negative, so that I know what people like about my slider set and what I need to improve on. Also, please post any and all personal findings and/or tweaks you've tried out. Try to point out what you are seeing too much of (ex. The AI attacks the basket too often), what you're not seeing enough of (ex. The AI does not go to the post often enough), etc. And also, it's just fun to see the results everyone is getting and to have a discussion on what can be improved/what should be left alone.

Check out this post by mvpstax to get a refresher on what exactly "realistic stats" should look like in the modern NBA: 2K21 Realistic Stats to Strive For

Have a question about sliders or want to know how to fix an issue you have with the gameplay? Ask it here and I'll do what I can to help you out! I try to make my posts as informational as possible so that everyone has the knowledge needed to tweak the game to their own preference and skill level. Teach a man to fish, and all that

And as always, PLEASE feel free to give my thread 5 stars and LIKE this post if you enjoy my work. It shows others that these are quality sliders, and it makes me feel a little warm inside, too.

Enjoy!

[Aicarg]

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Hope all of this first impressions come true. I didn’t enjoy any nba 2k since 2k16… Waiting for this firts version of your sliders. Thank you so much man!! 🙌🙌

[EccentricMeat]

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I've been playing for 4 hours straight and it's very good! Definitely some work needed to get just the right flow and feel, but those MASSIVE issues from years past (CPU not getting to the FT line, help defense and PnR defense being braindead, AI attacking like they've never played basketball) are basically solved right out of the box!

Only problem is, I'm terrible with the new dribbling system and I haven't played 2K since June, so I can't really use my games tonight for anything more than getting back some of that skill and learning the new systems. Annnnnd I'm dead tired, so I have to call it quits until the morning.

I planned to get a few tweaks posted before I catch some Z's, but that's not gonna happen. I'm so bad at the game right now that it's holding my testing back lol. Ah well, we go again in the morning.

[Aicarg]

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Take your time and enjoy the game!! We wait for this sliders.
My firts impresions are very, very good. I’m playing with Knicks at Magic Era at all-star difficult and I’m enjoying the game so badly ����. Hope 2k dont mess this game with future patch because right now feels very good and with good sliders it will be the best 2k game ever ��.

[ch46647]

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Eccentric- look forward to your set this year. Do the movement sliders work as intended?

Movement feels much better this year but I’m sure you can really dial it in with working sliders.

[EccentricMeat]

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Eccentric- look forward to your set this year. Do the movement sliders work as intended?

Movement feels much better this year but I’m sure you can really dial it in with working sliders.

They do seem to be working, but not nearly as much of difference as I would expect between setting the Max Speed/Accel w/ Ball sliders to 100 and then 0. Which is fine, since speed with the ball doesn't need any kind of wild corrections either way this year.

[jrose57]

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the game is so good out of the box to me that i think very minimum change to sliders is needed this year, actually this hasn't been the case since nba2k16 tha that the game is playable right awawy? hope no patches gonna screw up things this year! what u guys think?

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K23 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Next-Gen Slider Set

the game is so good out of the box to me that i think very minimum change to sliders is needed this year, actually this hasn't been the case since nba2k16 tha that the game is playable right awawy? hope no patches gonna screw up things this year! what u guys think?

Agreed, the game is fantastic out of the box. Though there are a lot of little "issues" that can be improved upon so my work will still be time consuming. Not to mention how amped I am to dive into the MyNBA Eras, which will need varying slider tweaks to be realistic for each specific era.

And speak of the devil, the first patch has just dropped. Time to dive in and see what's been changed.

[Aicarg]

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I have played a game after this patch and I didn’t see major changes. I enjoy the game like yesterday… 🙌

[vannwolfhawk]

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Looking forward to seeing what you end up with & your findings! I played with it a little to get to a decent spot for now, but I know it can be way better than where I’m at. In eccentric I trust so what’s taking you so long? Lol I kid I kid…

What game speed are you at now? I have been running 62. Personal preference. I like the pace & flow to get some 30-40 point quarters at time for modern day game. Im Curious where your at with it & adjusting from what point?

[ExpedientFalcon]

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I wanted to share my observations as someone who likes to do CPU vs CPU Franchise play.


With default All-Star sliders, the games are very low scoring. I think part of this can be remedied by increasing game speed slightly, but I don't think the number of shots per game is particularly the problem.


Areas that I think need adjusting are:
- CPU made shot percentage is too low, especially on 3's.
- Blocks are too high. I get that Myles Turner is a beast but having 4 players combined from both teams with 3+ blocks is very uncommon in a real game.
- Fouls should probably be turned up a bit as well


Those are the key observations I came out with although with a limited sample size. Here are the stats from a full 12-minute CPU vs CPU game on All-Star:

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K23 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Next-Gen Slider Set

Looking forward to seeing what you end up with & your findings! I played with it a little to get to a decent spot for now, but I know it can be way better than where I’m at. In eccentric I trust so what’s taking you so long? Lol I kid I kid…

What game speed are you at now? I have been running 62. Personal preference. I like the pace & flow to get some 30-40 point quarters at time for modern day game. Im Curious where your at with it & adjusting from what point?

I had been running Game Speed at 60, but after the patch I've reset everything to default and tweaking all over again. It seems like they've sped up some of the slow animations with the patch, so 50 looks and feels a lot better now. But I'll still be trying 60 and anything in between to find what feels and looks best.

And yea I wanted to have a few tweaks posted ASAP after release, but with shooting and dribbling so much different this year I was playing wayyyyy too poorly to put any decent testing together. Probably gonna resort to Real Player % shooting for now so I can tackle movement and animations before worrying about all that!

EDIT: Yup, just switched back to 60 Game Speed and it's perfect. Pass Speed needs to be dropped to 30, and I'll need to tweak some of the movement and speed sliders to get rid of some of the loose-feeling movement, but that should be quick and easy.

I wanted to share my observations as someone who likes to do CPU vs CPU Franchise play.


With default All-Star sliders, the games are very low scoring. I think part of this can be remedied by increasing game speed slightly, but I don't think the number of shots per game is particularly the problem.


Areas that I think need adjusting are:
- CPU made shot percentage is too low, especially on 3's.
- Blocks are too high. I get that Myles Turner is a beast but having 4 players combined from both teams with 3+ blocks is very uncommon in a real game.
- Fouls should probably be turned up a bit as well

Fouls are fine as long as you set Drive/Inside Contact Shot Frequency much higher than default. I use 100 for both, as I have for basically the entire history of my time playing 2K. Blocks are definitely too high at default, so we'll need to decrease the Blocking slider for sure.

The main problem with CPU not scoring enough is the abysmal FG% on 3PT shots at default. The first thing I'm changing is setting the CPU's "Shot Timing Impact" slider to 0 because I don't need that added RNG coming into play for the AI. From there we'll need to tweak the shot success sliders, but I haven't dived into that yet as I'm first trying to improve movement and animations (Game Speed, Body Up Sensitivity, Speed/Accel/Lat. Quickness, etc).

[ch46647]

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Eccentric- Looking forward to your adjustments. You always do a great job.

Vann- Is there any way to assign Freelances and Series to a teams playbook in a custom roster? I know you can add/remove plays in the playbook, and adjust coaching sliders. Also, it’s nice they tied Defensive Rotations to the roster so we only have to adjust them once.

[vannwolfhawk]

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I had been running Game Speed at 60, but after the patch I've reset everything to default and tweaking all over again. It seems like they've sped up some of the slow animations with the patch, so 50 looks and feels a lot better now. But I'll still be trying 60 and anything in between to find what feels and looks best.

And yea I wanted to have a few tweaks posted ASAP after release, but with shooting and dribbling so much different this year I was playing wayyyyy too poorly to put any decent testing together. Probably gonna resort to Real Player % shooting for now so I can tackle movement and animations before worrying about all that!

EDIT: Yup, just switched back to 60 Game Speed and it's perfect. Pass Speed needs to be dropped to 30, and I'll need to tweak some of the movement and speed sliders to get rid of some of the loose-feeling movement, but that should be quick and easy.



Fouls are fine as long as you set Drive/Inside Contact Shot Frequency much higher than default. I use 100 for both, as I have for basically the entire history of my time playing 2K. Blocks are definitely too high at default, so we'll need to decrease the Blocking slider for sure.

The main problem with CPU not scoring enough is the abysmal FG% on 3PT shots at default. The first thing I'm changing is setting the CPU's "Shot Timing Impact" slider to 0 because I don't need that added RNG coming into play for the AI. From there we'll need to tweak the shot success sliders, but I haven't dived into that yet as I'm first trying to improve movement and animations (Game Speed, Body Up Sensitivity, Speed/Accel/Lat. Quickness, etc).

I haven’t played since the patch yet. Good to hear.

What’s funny is I completely agree and did the same exact things in all areas as you stated below in your 2nd response! I did the same with cpu shot timing at 0 and still had to up all their shooting sliders as well.

1 thing I’ve tried to help against is the to drastic delay on ball defenders (imo). Been messing with on ball. I’ve had the body up sensitivity at 100 and contact sliders at 100 as well. It’s still not enough for me so trying to find balance between on ball, def consistency, and d awareness for help & that perfect balance with hip rides though. I’ve had to really up lateral quickness too. I feel like what’s the point til I find good movement sliders? Plus I feel like I’ve had to overly move things and maybe there is a better way this year that I’m just missing or overlooking?! Just another reason I’m curious on your findings and can’t wait to see what you are getting. I think we both like the game to play in a very similar way. Take your time! I’ll keep checking this thread daily! Lol

[atlplayboy23]

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Eccentric will you be making sliders for the different era or just current Nba

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