Some Madden NFL 18 Game Style Details Revealed - Arcade, Simulation, Competitive

[Big FN Deal]

@admebroski, just showing that one screenshot isn't a good representation of all the data it compiled, here is a video showing way more data that was collected with VIP and I'm not even sure that is a complete breakdown of the system.

It's cool if you didn't care for it but I don't get why you seem to be mischaracterizing it and equating it to some Madden scout system.

[jfsolo]

It's been a while since a Madden thread has been derailed in order to make sure that the honor of NFL 2K is not besmirched.

[Americas Team]

Quote: Originally Posted by StefJoeHalt

In reference to the Cover 1 press issue..there are several reasons in my opinion.. 1. You either win the press or lose..no between 2. Along the lines of 1..there isn't enough animations..there are several technics in press..you have one hand press depending on shad and follow..full press normally used in cover 2..press and bail which has been made popular by Seattle in Cover 3..this is just a few..then u need more bad jams animations 3. Press rating needs to be more effective 4. Needs to be less jams called by CPU in 0 coverage..and less press called in general 5. We most have press/jams in zone coverages..so players don't always know.."ok single high coverage, ball snapped, Flanker just got jammed..I have single high Cover 1" Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

And to add to your list Qb's are WAY too accurate on deep passes, 99% of the time they are perfectly thrown, the receivers don't even have to adjust.

[KingKO92]

Hopefully they do this for all EA Sports games, especially FIFA.

[OhMrHanky]

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

It's been a while since a Madden thread has been derailed in order to make sure that the honor of NFL 2K is not besmirched.

I think, in this case, at least, we haven't said things like, 'NFL 2k5 was the best game ever! Madden sux!' . Lol. We're just talking about the VIP thing as computer AI snuck into the conversation. But, wow, seeing those quick vid clips does remind me how far behind madden has been for years. Lol. . But, I've been digging madden, again, since 13, really. And, 16 and 17 were both very respectable and fun to play. I'm still playing CFM in 17, and I actually played MUT this year. As a sim CFM guy, I'm embarrassed to say I liked MUT. Lol. I didn't play online at all, but actually enjoyed the mode as something different to do with challenges here and there. And, collecting random players throughout the year was interesting. Looking forward to seeing what 18 has and most intrigued by the target passing, for sure. NFL 2k5 will live on as a legend of video game football, no matter what madden does. Lol.


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[StefJoeHalt]

Quote: Originally Posted by Americas Team

And to add to your list Qb's are WAY too accurate on deep passes, 99% of the time they are perfectly thrown, the receivers don't even have to adjust.

For the record hate agreeing with Cowgirls fan..ughhh lol


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[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

It's been a while since a Madden thread has been derailed in order to make sure that the honor of NFL 2K is not besmirched.

Lol, not at all, just defending the honor of promising tech that has been used in the sports gaming space, no different than when others discuss page after page of NFL Fever's Read n Lead, FIFAs this, The Show's that, etc. The seeming premise behind VIP, of recording various data from Users to create a different CPU/AI experience, is solid and like I mentioned before, EA Tib apparently thought so since they claimed to have done something similar in M15.

In reference to the derailing comment:

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Quote: Originally Posted by CT Pittbull

Maybe, just maybe now.... "The Year of the User" means Madden 18 will finally have somewhat of a VIP system like 2k had back in the day. And the AI is going to play like you and learn from your play style, essentially making HUM vs AI now HUM vs AI/HUM. lol Im trying to talk myself into good thoughts and away from the horrible thoughts that entered my mind when I saw that tweet.

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

There was nothing good about VIP. It was an AI system built to (badly) predict you based on inconsequential parameters. No football game has gotten this right since Front Page/Sierra Sports. It's one of the reasons I hate Front Office Football. It's strategic AI is based on faulty ideas of how teams scout one another, and what factors are important in attempting to effectively game plan against opposing tendencies. Until they get a system that can account for personnel groupings, formation adjustments at the line of scrimmage, and individual players thinking on the fly and remembering things from play to play, among many other factors, its' better teams simply play to their own real life base tendencies regardless of their opponent. At least that has some basis in reality.

the discussion about VIP was within that context of speculation about what "The year the the User" meant. Company branding aside, that type of User based tech to enhance AI/CPU, while also providing various scouting data and differentiating tendencies for coaches, coordinators, etc, could be a win for User v User, User v CPU and even CPU v CPU.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by OhMrHanky

I think, in this case, at least, we haven't said things like, 'NFL 2k5 was the best game ever! Madden sux!' . Lol. We're just talking about the VIP thing as computer AI snuck into the conversation. But, wow, seeing those quick vid clips does remind me how far behind madden has been for years. Lol. . But, I've been digging madden, again, since 13, really. And, 16 and 17 were both very respectable and fun to play. I'm still playing CFM in 17, and I actually played MUT this year. As a sim CFM guy, I'm embarrassed to say I liked MUT. Lol. I didn't play online at all, but actually enjoyed the mode as something different to do with challenges here and there. And, collecting random players throughout the year was interesting. Looking forward to seeing what 18 has and most intrigued by the target passing, for sure. NFL 2k5 will live on as a legend of video game football, no matter what madden does. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Eh, piling on/sweeping under the carpet and throwing excuses up in thin air doesn't quite cut it when it could have been ignored and moved on from.

I'm sure this still holds water until 8/1/17.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ding-bans.html

As a friendly reminder, I would suggest that the talk cease on the the other game and steer more in the Madden direction.

People can take it to the other forums or PM to discuss anything further.

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