Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by suthrnthug

If you guys don't think Finley is fast, you try covering him. I'm sure Detroit, Chicago, and Minnesota would appreciate the help. He might not look fast on TV but keep in mind he is 6'5 240+ lbs. I haven't seen one LB/DB lock him down yet. That's my two cents. Go Pack!

Well, the average LB in the NFL since 1998 would have a speed of 74 and AGI of 76. Finley would have, on that same scale, a SPD of 77 and AGI of 78. So, he is too fast for LBs.

He is also 6-4, 247 and the average DB including safeties and CBs is 5-11, 195 so he is too big for DBs. That's a pretty good combination to have when wanting to beat someone. Outrun the LBs and out-muscle/jump the DBs.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayman

Finley wasn't the full-time starter in 2009. He only started 10 games that year. In other news, Kuhn's overall is 20 points too low.

Well, in his rookie year, Quarless had 3 starts during the regular season.

In 2008, Finley's rookie season, he had 1 start. In 2009, he had 10.

So if you want to compare apples to apples, Quarless had more starts as a rookie than Finley had. Once again, not saying that Quarless is the better player, just arguing for Finley's speed being very over-rated.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by aceoye

go tell that to Mike McCarthy who even says DJ Williams is out playing him..Quarless is a scrub..and 40 times mean nothing.. see: raiders

And that is because Quarless is not technically sound, not because he is not a good athlete.

And don't get me started on Williams! He is almost as athletic as Quarless, but is more polished. Could be a good one! Why do you think they may keep 4 TEs this year!

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by at23steelers

40 times matter dealing with speed. I don't understand the Raiders point. You can't argue that DHB isn't fast. You can argue that he is struggling due to route-running, catching, and awareness. Just because someone is faster does not make them a better player.

The 40 is a good tool to show the POTENTIAL for speed. It doesn't tell you how aware a guy is or how well he catches or runs a route. Just his overall point A to B speed and acceleration. Well said though!

[Bellsprout]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Well, in his rookie year, Quarless had 3 starts during the regular season. In 2008, Finley's rookie season, he had 1 start. In 2009, he had 10. So if you want to compare apples to apples, Quarless had more starts as a rookie than Finley had. Once again, not saying that Quarless is the better player, just arguing for Finley's speed being very over-rated.

What.... in the **** are you talking about?

I don't.....

Quarless has more career starts, so he's faster than Finley?

How does that ma... you know what. Don't explain. I don't care.

I wasn't arguing speed. Who gives a **** about who's faster? Finley's better. I've watched both of them in every game they've ever played and it's not even close.

Jesus.

[TracerBullet]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayman

Quarless has more career starts, so he's faster than Finley? How does that ma... you know what. Don't explain. I don't care.

Peyton Manning must be the fastest QB int he league then.

[aceoye]

Quote: Originally Posted by at23steelers

40 times matter dealing with speed. I don't understand the Raiders point. You can't argue that DHB isn't fast. You can argue that he is struggling due to route-running, catching, and awareness. Just because someone is faster does not make them a better player.

or in finleys case a faster player on the field ones 40 time could be better than another but it doesnt mean they're faster on the field..the field isnt a race track. while 40s and all those other records are key elements to use when rating a player you cant go off that alone as it can be inaccurate as its just judging speed and not speed in-game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayman

What.... in the **** are you talking about? I don't..... Quarless has more career starts, so he's faster than Finley? How does that ma... you know what. Don't explain. I don't care. I wasn't arguing speed. Who gives a **** about who's faster? Finley's better. I've watched both of them in every game they've ever played and it's not even close. Jesus.

Oh I agree. I was just pointing out that starts do not matter when determining who is the better player. Everyone knows that Finley is the better TE and even though Quarless had more starts, that shouldn't mean he is better. I was just using your post to illustrate that point. I have a feeling that many here think that you have to be "fast" in order to be a good player. So if Quarless is faster, that doesn't mean he is the better player. That's all. Don't get it twisted.