The leniency ends now (Please read, permanent bans have been approved)

[bcruise]

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedy

Not all reported posts are acted on... I mean, there are several users that hit the button on accident when trying to post normally.

I always wondered if people did that...especially on mobile.

[jadert]

Quote: Originally Posted by KGDunks

So basically negative opinion isn't allowed on a forum? Lol, some genuine primadonnas on here.

So after an 8 paragraph post explaining constructive ways to post negative feedback, this is all you got out of it?

wow

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by KGDunks

So basically negative opinion isn't allowed on a forum? Lol, some genuine primadonnas on here.

People have already gotten on this post, but I want to address this issue.

We all know this is a forum developers feel largely comfortable visiting. Constructive criticism is key to that but it's easy to lose sight of what that means. To be more specific, one consistent mistake:

People take a negative, possibly valid criticism and ADD to it a perception about the developers' work ethic, level of care or conspiracy theories.

This particular behavior is ignorant, unhelpful, and something the community has to grow out of. 2k can be a frustrating game in the areas that it falls short, but it is not the developers' intention to frustrate or anger people. This is a HUGE game coming out on a SHORT schedule. There are several fully developed game modes tailored to different kinds of users. If you haven't actually worked directly with the company and watched how these separate teams coordinate, you have to accept that there is a lot of the process that you don't know.

This makes it ignorance on top of ignorance to take an error in execution or design and correlate that to effort on the behalf of the developers. That's stupid, insulting and it only makes it less likely that the developers are able to interpret, isolate and solve community issues.

Millenium would not have made this thread if people were just saying "this mechanic is still a problem, this design decision is a step back, this aspect is not working as intended."

People take a post like this and think of it as me campaigning for the devs because I know some of them. Quite the opposite. I have been extremely critical, in public and in private, but my primary interest is improving this game so that nothing on the design end prevents the community from taking this game to the highest level in single and multiplayer modes.

[Pokes404]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

People have already gotten on this post, but I want to address this issue. We all know this is a forum developers feel largely comfortable visiting. Constructive criticism is key to that but it's easy to lose sight of what that means. To be more specific, one consistent mistake: People take a negative, possibly valid criticism and ADD to it a perception about the developers' work ethic, level of care or conspiracy theories. This particular behavior is ignorant, unhelpful, and something the community has to grow out of. 2k can be a frustrating game in the areas that it falls short, but it is not the developers' intention to frustrate or anger people. This is a HUGE game coming out on a SHORT schedule. There are several fully developed game modes tailored to different kinds of users. If you haven't actually worked directly with the company and watched how these separate teams coordinate, you have to accept that there is a lot of the process that you don't know. This makes it ignorance on top of ignorance to take an error in execution or design and correlate that to effort on the behalf of the developers. That's stupid, insulting and it only makes it less likely that the developers are able to interpret, isolate and solve community issues. Millenium would not have made this thread if people were just saying "this mechanic is still a problem, this design decision is a step back, this aspect is not working as intended." People take a post like this and think of it as me campaigning for the devs because I know some of them. Quite the opposite. I have been extremely critical, in public and in private, but my primary interest is improving this game so that nothing on the design end prevents the community from taking this game to the highest level in single and multiplayer modes.

My favorite are the "they could fix such-n-such in 15 minutes if they would just quit being lazy" comments. I have never been a game developer, and I have never written a single line of computer code; however, I know better than to assume something is a quick and/or easy fix when it comes to programming. There were a number of years there where I was very critical of the direction Madden and NCAA Football were taking, but I always tried to be civil and constructive. These guys care about the product they put out there, and they have a vested interest in making the best game they possibly can. Resorting to name-calling, turning every little flaw into some kind of game-breaking problem, and questioning the developers' work ethic doesn't do anyone any good.

This forum doesn't need to be an echo-chamber of everyone agreeing how great 2K17 is. There's a place for negativity, and in fact, I like reading other people's criticisms. Sometimes it brings things up that I hadn't noticed before. But some people definitely take it too far. Hopefully the new policy does its job and makes for an even more constructive environment.

[Millennium]

Guys,

While I appreciate the extra input on the type of posters this thread was intense for I also don't want a witch hunt and/or this to be viewed as an opportunity to attack other users.

Please remember respect runs both way, and I expect respect to come from everyone here.


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[Spitfirex007]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dmanning2

This is amazing and much needed before the release of 2k17... 2k has become so great many have started to take them for granted..one mistake to their favorite team and suddenly the devs are lazy or "dropped the ball" Thanks.

2k is a fantastic development team. Sure they release bad features and whatnot from time to time (last yr myplayer for example) but they always try to improve. I don't even like the NBA. But its a must series. Really wish they could get back into college hoops and NFL

[ProfessaPackMan]

Thank you for this, Mil. Hate to see something like this posted here but I felt like this year, it had to be done.

But like you and others have said, positive and negative remarks are good. I even enjoy seeing the negative ones as a lot of them do have some truth to them.

But when the hyperbole gets to be more excessive than it is and then folks start calling Devs "Lazy" or "Incompetent" because a feature that person wanted isn't in the game(and it's happened a lot this year), then it gets to be a big much. And then when someone tells that person there's no need to call them that, then they get accused of "Caping" for 2K and whatnot, when it has nothing to do with that.

Hopefully it's a bit better going forward and this place gets back to how it used to be.

[KGDunks]

Quote: Originally Posted by extremeskins04

And this was unnecessary. Negative opinions are fine as long as they're constructive. This is pretty standard policy on this site.

Please stop following me into every thread.