Werewolf XXVI: The Thing - GAME OVER! THINGS WIN!!!

[hoopsguy]

Tangle - couple of thoughts on your post.

1.) You don't include me. But CW viewed me on Night 1 so I'm not an original Thing.
2.) I happen to believe that we got both of the original Things (Qwikshot and Saldana), although if they started with three then we are in more trouble than I expected.

[Barkeep49]

Out, like you are a Thing out?
No I'm not a shitface. Fuck I thought I'd made that clear.

Glad to see we have another hour though.

[Barkeep49]

I also agree we got the original shitfaces. Draws my attention back to tangle then as a possible UTR.

[Swaggs]

Very solid post, except I do not agree that there is still one original Thing out there. I think the originals were Qwik and saldana.

I agree.

[Barkeep49]

So if Tangle is pushing this wrong headed idea of 3 original shitfaces doesn't that make him just as good of an UTR target for us as Anxiety?

[hoopsguy]

Thought I would re-post the information timeline:

Dead Things
9. Saldana - confirmed, tested day 2
10. Qwikshot - presumed, night kill day 1

Cleared at one point
6. dubb93 - tested on days 2 and 4
5. Blade6119 - vouched for by presumed seer, night 4
13. Coffee Warlord - tested day 3
2. St. Cronin - vouched for by presumed seer, night 3
4. Raiders Army - vouched for by seer, night 2
11. Barkeep - presumed, human assassin night 1
1. JeeberD - tested day 1
15. Hoopsguy - vouched for by seer, night 1

Remaining
3. Tanglewood
7. Swaggs
8. Path12
12. mckerney
14. Anxiety
16. WVUFAN

[Barkeep49]

I mean what do people think of my anti-tangle logic?

[hoopsguy]

The difference between those in my mind is the voting patterns from last night. I haven't seen anything that looked like a movement to save Tanglewood, although that could be a result of him never getting any real heat. That is what made me pull Anxiety out of the group of UTR today, although work plus having to defend myself distracted me from this a little bit.

[hoopsguy]

In hindsight, I wish I had come out firing on this idea but I wanted to wait to hear who CW had scanned. I didn't see a ton of reason to put pressure on someone he cleared today, at least not in comparison to other options.

[tanglewood]

Anxiety has been gunning for Barkeep pretty much all game, or at least it seems that way to me. He switched off to other people as the situation dictated, just like any normal villager/scientist would, but then in a very short span he made some very strange and rapid changes in voting pattern that made me think.

I'm rolling with a vote for Barkeep. The way I figure it, there's two ways Barkeep could be a thing, and both make sense to me.

*SNIP*

Therefore:

Vote Barkeep

Until??:

Unvote Barkeep

Vote JeeberD


In order to vote for somebody I'm unsure of.

-Anxiety

Then just 8 posts later:

Know what, I don't get the Thing vibe from ya Jeebs.

Unvote Jebber

Vote Dubb


-Anxiety

Before Jeeber is thetarget again:

Fine, I think Dubb over Jeebs, but I want to check SOMEONE, so:

Unvote Dubb

Vote Jeeber


-Anxiety

Then back to Barkeep:


I am so voting Barkeep again tomorrow unless something happens.


-Anxiety

And then he did vote Barkeep, who, IIRC, he is on at the moment.

[Barkeep49]

So he's got a lot of suspicious people that Anxiety. Don't we all? I mean I know I'm not a shitface but it's clear the rest of you fuckers don't. I've hopped around quite a bit too so hopping around doesn't scream shitface as much as it might in a normal game, at least from my perspective.

[tanglewood]

Tangle - couple of thoughts on your post.

1.) You don't include me. But CW viewed me on Night 1 so I'm not an original Thing.

Yes, sorry about that, my oversight.

2.) I happen to believe that we got both of the original Things (Qwikshot and Saldana), although if they started with three then we are in more trouble than I expected.

Again my mistake, I guess that I am subconciously not asumming Qwik was a thing, as I did automatically at the start. I do think to some extent the euphoria of getting a Thing papered over the cracks of doubt in that all we really had to prove he was was Barkeep's word.

Possibilities regarding Qwik:

1. Was a thing, Barkeep is good. -- Assumed for most of game
2. Was a human, Barkeep is thing.
3. Was a human, Barkeep was human. -- I think these two are both possible, Barkeep may well be convinced he got a Thing but had false info or whatver. No real basis for this supposition, but it's a possibility nonetheless, lack of information seems to be the MO in this game.
4. Both wre things -- just makes no sense, so discounted.

[Barkeep49]

You missed one possiblity:

5. Was human, was converted, Barkeep is Human.

[Barkeep49]

I do view it as unlikely though so I'll stick with the idea that ther ewere 2 original shitfaces and we nailed both the fuckers.

[tanglewood]

So he's got a lot of suspicious people that Anxiety. Don't we all? I mean I know I'm not a shitface but it's clear the rest of you fuckers don't. I've hopped around quite a bit too so hopping around doesn't scream shitface as much as it might in a normal game, at least from my perspective.

I agree, I've hopped around too this game as much as anyone else. But not that many vote changes in such a short amount of time. I'm not saying it's incriminating, just something out of the ordinary that I noticed.

[tanglewood]

You missed one possiblity:

5. Was human, was converted, Barkeep is Human.

True dat.

[hoopsguy]

OK, as the updated deadline approaches here is what we have:

Barkeep - Anxiety (1610), JeeberD (1613), Swaggs (1689), mckerney (1714)
Coffee - Cronin (1607), Path (1665), Barkeep (1711)
Hoopsguy - Raiders (1632), Blade (1634), Coffee (1635)
Anxiety - Hoopsguy (1744), Tanglewood (1748)

Not voted: Dubb, WVUFAN


I don't see the two no-votes making an appearance at this point. I would like to keep my vote on Anxiety, as I believe it is a better option than either of the other two (Barkeep, CW). But if push comes to shove, I could go for an alternate candidate. So ... just wondering if everyone else in here is sitting tight and waiting for 9 or if votes are in play?

[Barkeep49]

My vote sure as well is in play. Let me tell you that. I'd rather not be fucking tested. But I think all my accusers, except Swggs, are gone so I don't hold much hope there.

[Swaggs]

Barkeep, are all your special skills used up?

[Barkeep49]

Yes. And I've said that since Day 2.

[Barkeep49]

cronin for a long while was on about how i had some residual ability, but he never did share what that was.

[path12]

My vote is up for play.

[st.cronin]

cronin for a long while was on about how i had some residual ability, but he never did share what that was.

What I said was, that I thought there was more to your role than you let on. There was strategy behind that: But it's pretty much a moot point now.

[path12]

But dola, I'm not sold on Barkeep being bad, so that's not a likely switch for me.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah well you've had all these terrific fucking theories but seem to have been short on actually explaining what the fuck they are this game.

[Barkeep49]

But dola, I'm not sold on Barkeep being bad, so that's not a likely switch for me.
Good man.

[path12]

Where the hell is WVU?

[st.cronin]

Yeah well you've had all these terrific fucking theories but seem to have been short on actually explaining what the fuck they are this game.

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[Barkeep49]

Where the hell is WVU?
Dunno. It's kind of a shame.

[Barkeep49]

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
You fucking type with your mouth? Fuck that's disgusting. Me I type with my fingers and kiss my mother with my mouth.

[st.cronin]

dola

I haven't had a great game, but of the two (now three) players that I have strongly suspected, only one has been tested and cleared. I still like Blade, and I also like Coffee. It's a ballsy move for CW to clear Blade, but it's the sort of anti-strategy they might make together.

[path12]

What's the odds of WVU being bad? Quickly. Just saying at least Anxiety is putting SOMETHING on the table. I haven't heard shit from WVU since day 2.

[Swaggs]

Alright. I hate switching, since everytime you do, you look shady. But I'm going to trust Barkeep on this one. If he is right, we could put a little run together and get rid of some of these bastards.

I am voting for Barkeep tomorrow if this is wrong.

Unvote Barkeep

Vote Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

dola

I haven't had a great game, but of the two (now three) players that I have strongly suspected, only one has been tested and cleared. I still like Blade, and I also like Coffee. It's a ballsy move for CW to clear Blade, but it's the sort of anti-strategy they might make together.
I agree which is why my vote is on CW.

[Barkeep49]

Alright. I hate switching, since everytime you do, you look shady. But I'm going to trust Barkeep on this one. If he is right, we could put a little run together and get rid of some of these bastards.

I am voting for Barkeep tomorrow if this is wrong.

Unvote Barkeep

Vote Anxiety
Now that's a good man right there. A good man.

[Barkeep49]

What's the odds of WVU being bad? Quickly. Just saying at least Anxiety is putting SOMETHING on the table. I haven't heard shit from WVU since day 2.
I'd high but people have defended WVU as absent scientist before and I can't quite remember their arguments but it was enough not to get people to vote for him.

[path12]

Now that's a good man right there. A good man.

But you're on CW, right?

[hoopsguy]

I think the value of CW diminishes with each passing day - he is obviously going to be converted at some point. But I would rather test Blade than Coffee tonight, if push comes to shove with the two of them. And I definitely think that Anxiety is a better choice than both of them on Day 5.

[path12]

I'd high but people have defended WVU as absent scientist before and I can't quite remember their arguments but it was enough not to get people to vote for him.

I guess it's something to look at tomorrow. Not gonna be enough time now.

[Barkeep49]

Ok since it looks like we have the votes

Unvote Coffee
Vote Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Hoops updated vote count?

[path12]

Sigh.

UNVOTE COFFEE
VOTE ANXIETY

[hoopsguy]

We have a four way tie at the moment:

Barkeep - Anxiety (1610), JeeberD (1613), mckerney (1714)
Coffee - Cronin (1607), Path (1665), Barkeep (1711)
Hoopsguy - Raiders (1632), Blade (1634), Coffee (1635)
Anxiety - Hoopsguy (1744), Tanglewood (1748), Swaggs (1783)

Not voted: Dubb, WVUFAN

[hoopsguy]

That count was as of Post #1787

[st.cronin]

That's amazing.

[Barkeep49]

Excellent, so with path's vote we now have a majority on Anxiety. Let's hope this works out for us.

[hoopsguy]

As of Post #1794 ... Anxiety 5-3 lead now:

Barkeep - Anxiety (1610), JeeberD (1613), mckerney (1714)
Coffee - Cronin (1607)
Hoopsguy - Raiders (1632), Blade (1634), Coffee (1635)
Anxiety - Hoopsguy (1744), Tanglewood (1748), Swaggs (1783), Barkeep (1790), Path (1792)

Not voted: Dubb, WVUFAN

[Barkeep49]

Oh. Not to mention my vote.

[Barkeep49]

That's amazing.
Cronin I was happy with CW but it seems like he wasn't going to get that vote to push him over.

[Swaggs]

Man... I hope I don't regret this.

[path12]

Cronin I was happy with CW but it seems like he wasn't going to get that vote to push him over.

Ditto.

[hoopsguy]

I had posted the argument for WVUFAN being innocent earlier, after his two day hiatus. I didn't think that the Things would want to take a chance voting for someone who might not be around for days at a time. Plus his playing style upon his return was inconsistent with his low-profile "wolf" play in an earlier game. Small sample set, but that was my impression.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I think it looks like I'm out of the frying pan and Anxiety is in. So I will be back later to see the results.

[path12]

I had posted the argument for WVUFAN being innocent earlier, after his two day hiatus. I didn't think that the Things would want to take a chance voting for someone who might not be around for days at a time. Plus his playing style upon his return was inconsistent with his low-profile "wolf" play in an earlier game. Small sample set, but that was my impression.

I just get a little pissed when people just don't post at friggin' all. It helps the things.

[Coffee Warlord]

Think we'll get a result tonight?

[path12]

Think we'll get a result tonight?

Depends on how quickly Schmidty gets his result.

[st.cronin]

Think we'll get a result tonight?

I'm going to assume that if we don't, Schmidty is havin' a goooooooooood night.

[hoopsguy]

Unlike last night, I'm not going to stick around a couple of hours to find out.

We are either back in business, or moving into the "world of hurt" stage of the game, depeding on tonight's results.

[Swaggs]

Barkeep, if this works out, who else do you suspect?

[Blade6119]

Blade, if I'm a Thing then why don't I have people rushing to my defense? There should be a flock of them at my disposal, enough to offset a 3-2 deficit. I'll give you the short answer - because I'm not a Thing. And I hope that you will think about this if I'm still holding the most votes with 30 minutes left, 10 minutes left, and on down to the buzzer.
Well hoops, look what happened. A flock of votes came in and offset the deficit...just as i fucking expected....bravo hoops, bravo :o

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, if this works out, who else do you suspect?
I have no clue where we go from here if Anxiety works out to be honest.

[Barkeep49]

Well hoops, look what happened. A flock of votes came in and offset the deficit...just as i fucking expected....bravo hoops, bravo :o
In fairness I was on the block pretty much all day so really you could argue that the flurry of votes saved me and not hoops.

[Blade6119]

In fairness I was on the block pretty much all day so really you could argue that the flurry of votes saved me and not hoops.
I included the votes that put you on the block in the flock...not only did he not get tested, he managed to position you as the one being saved...just stunning...if anxiety comes up clean i will seriously fucking flip out. If he comes up clean, excuse any comments i make tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsleter.

Not really but it is food for thought.

[Abe Sargent]

Since, I've been offically voted, what is considered kosher for me to say at this point?


-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

Since, I've been offically voted, what is considered kosher for me to say at this point?


-Anxiety

Nothing is official until Schmidty posts it. But, say what you want, as long as you observe the pm rules.

[Blade6119]

Since, I've been offically voted, what is considered kosher for me to say at this point?


-Anxiety
Im pretty sure whatever the hell you want...CW did, jeeber didnt

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough.

I feel like I'm the Cassandra character in this little scenario. Caddandra was cursed by the Gods to know the truth and decry it, only to have none of her peers ever believe her.

You guys have one again allowed yourselves to be led like f'in sheep.

Tommorrow, maybe you'll finally beleive me and VOTE FOR BARKEEP. Sheesh.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

And I mispelled Cassandra and can;t go back and edit it. Silly posts :)


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and I changed my vote late yesterday to Jeebs because I was in the running, and I sure knew I wasn't contaminated, so I switched from Barkeep, which everybody seems to accept as the Prophet Incarnate but who didn't have a lot of votes to Jeeder so we'd at least have a chance of voting for someone who I didn;t know about. When Jeebs made that post, I realized that Dubb might be a better chance, because Jeebs felt okay to me. You'll note that I said something like swicthing in order to vote for SOMEONE at least, or to break a tie. and whatnot.

If you guys had honestly suspected me, you should have asked your questions a lot sooner than a few hours before the deadline when I'm out on a date. All you've done is waste a day BECAUSE YOU ARE IDIOTS.

And sheep too,


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Fair enough.

I feel like I'm the Cassandra character in this little scenario. Caddandra was cursed by the Gods to know the truth and decry it, only to have none of her peers ever believe her.

You guys have one again allowed yourselves to be led like f'in sheep.

Tommorrow, maybe you'll finally beleive me and VOTE FOR BARKEEP. Sheesh.

-Anxiety
If true i could have called this from a mile away...pissed doesnt even begin to describe how upset i am over how fucking easily we let today slip away...hoops or barkeep would have been great choices, yet we let the two top canidates all day VOTE TOGETHER AND TAKE DOWN ANOTHER VILLAGER...im stunned...fuckity fuck fuck fuck...we deserve to lose this game after today

[st.cronin]

Oh, and I changed my vote late yesterday to Jeebs because I was in the running, and I sure knew I wasn't contaminated, so I switched from Barkeep, which everybody seems to accept as the Prophet Incarnate but who didn't have a lot of votes to Jeeder so we'd at least have a chance of voting for someone who I didn;t know about. When Jeebs made that post, I realized that Dubb might be a better chance, because Jeebs felt okay to me. You'll note that I said something like swicthing in order to vote for SOMEONE at least, or to break a tie. and whatnot.

If you guys had honestly suspected me, you should have asked your questions a lot sooner than a few hours before the deadline when I'm out on a date. All you've done is waste a day BECAUSE YOU ARE IDIOTS.

And sheep too,


-Anxiety

pretty much agree and I'll add that

ANYBODY NOT VOTING FOR COFFEE IS A FUCKING IDIOT

Think - the Things HAVE to convert him. Even if we test him and burn him, the seer has to be taken out of play.

[Blade6119]

Well schmidty was here...im waiting for him to make it official before i truly blow my lid...

Tangle, swaggs, and path are the three who voted with barkeep and hoops.

So we have 5 guys, 2 who i said were things(hoops/tangle), 1 who i have been saying i am highly certain is a thing(barkeep), and 2 other UTR players...we got back doored by the things today, and they did it near the deadline when no one was around to stop them...bravo to the things, they made their move and it paid off. Numbers wise now it will be quite difficult to win, let alone fight off a vote block of things potentially 4-5 big after tonight

[Abe Sargent]

Well schmidty was here...im waiting for him to make it official before i truly blow my lid...

Tangle, swaggs, and path are the three who voted with barkeep and hoops.

So we have 5 guys, 2 who i said were things(hoops/tangle), 1 who i have been saying i am highly certain is a thing(barkeep), and 2 other UTR players...we got back doored by the things today, and they did it near the deadline when no one was around to stop them...bravo to the things, they made their move and it paid off. Numbers wise now it will be quite difficult to win, let alone fight off a vote block of things potentially 4-5 big after tonight


I know what you mean. I yearn for vindication.


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Today's gathering is forlorn. The decision is, as usual contentious, but after the bravado and frustration, a decision is made.

Anxiety looks around and says "Why am I stuck with you cretins? If you people continue wasting the little time we have on flawed analysis, we are dead. Here."

Anxiety angrily performs the test, stands up, and says "Ok, who's next.".

Anxiety is 100% human.

Night actions are due by 11 AM EST.

[Abe Sargent]

Here's why I am absolutely voting for Barkeep tomorrow:

At 9:00 pm the vote was on Barkeep and many layers thought the vote was final. Then in the last hour, a massive push to vote for me occured. Why? If Barkeep were clean, why push to get someone else tested?

Unless something happens between now and then, I am voting for Barkeep. Again.


-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

Here's why I am absolutely voting for Barkeep tomorrow:

At 9:00 pm the vote was on Barkeep and many layers thought the vote was final. Then in the last hour, a massive push to vote for me occured. Why? If Barkeep were clean, why push to get someone else tested?

Unless something happens between now and then, I am voting for Barkeep. Again.


-Anxiety

Ditto.

I was all set on him when we all thought the deadline was at 9:00. Unless somebody does an amazingly concrete reveal tomorrow, he will be getting my vote bright and early.

[st.cronin]

Why in the world won't you people vote for CW????

From the badguy's perspective, the seer MUST be taken out of play.

[Swaggs]

Why in the world won't you people vote for CW????

From the badguy's perspective, the seer MUST be taken out of play.

I just don't get why we need to keep voting for him. I can understand your point of view, but think about it if you were a Thing:

1. On any given night, he is, at least, 50% likely to be protected by the bodyguard and/or watched by the witness. Remember, their goal is to add numbers every day until they outnumber us. I cannot imagine them not taking more of a sure thing, rather than risking a block or, even worse, being seen.

2. He is a constant source of confusion for us when it comes to voting. He is literally a threat to be tested every day. This is not like a normal werewolf game where he dies if we vote for him. If he and a Thing are the top two choices to be voted for, all they need is for a few of us to vote for him and they can all pile on and vote for him and save their asses.

3. He has said he can be infected while doing his night action. Since he is not really very believable as a seer, it seems like it would make as much sense for the Things to take their chances and see if he might just get infected.

I am not coming down on you for suggesting CW. It is just that I think he is not a slam dunk to be a Thing and we would be better off trying to make a hit somewhere else. Or, at best, he would make a better second test (should we nail one of them with the first test).

[Blade6119]

I just don't get why we need to keep voting for him. I can understand your point of view, but think about it if you were a Thing:

1. On any given night, he is, at least, 50% likely to be protected by the bodyguard and/or watched by the witness. Remember, their goal is to add numbers every day until they outnumber us. I cannot imagine them not taking more of a sure thing, rather than risking a block or, even worse, being seen.

2. He is a constant source of confusion for us when it comes to voting. He is literally a threat to be tested every day. This is not like a normal werewolf game where he dies if we vote for him. If he and a Thing are the top two choices to be voted for, all they need is for a few of us to vote for him and they can all pile on and vote for him and save their asses.

3. He has said he can be infected while doing his night action. Since he is not really very believable as a seer, it seems like it would make as much sense for the Things to take their chances and see if he might just get infected.

I am not coming down on you for suggesting CW. It is just that I think he is not a slam dunk to be a Thing and we would be better off trying to make a hit somewhere else. Or, at best, he would make a better second test (should we nail one of them with the first test).
What reason did you have to vote for anxiety over hoops and barkeep? Im sorry, its hard for me to hear you belittle his idea when you just voted for a now clean villager who i never really saw a reason why any of you voted for him other then hoops guy reccomended him

[Swaggs]

What reason did you have to vote for anxiety over hoops and barkeep? Im sorry, its hard for me to hear you belittle his idea when you just voted for a now clean villager who i never really saw a reason why any of you voted for him other then hoops guy reccomended him

Read the last few minutes leading up to 9:00 and then the last hour leading to 10:00 and I think you will get a pretty good, real-time view of my thoughts and actions.

Hoopsguy didn't really come into play much for me. You and he are both good players, who I respect, but to be honest, I do not pay much attention to what either of you say, because you both think outloud quite a bit and present so many different ideas.

The simple answer is that Anxiety seemed like a good, under the radar choice to me and I was worried that there was a very real threat of a tie.

[Swaggs]

Also, I think using the term "belittle" to describe my post is off target. Presenting three good reasons for why I disagree with what he said does not disparage or lessen the point he made. It is an honest attempt at trying to answer his question of why I do not see voting for CW as a good move.

To simplify it for you Blade, having CW in the game gives them another distraction (or more than one, even, considering we have to suspect both him and then take whoever he "clears" into consideration) to use in their favor, as long as he is a human. Once he is converted, he can be killed and that element is removed from the game. Add in the probability of a bodyguard and a witness, and I don't see it as a good play from their perspective.

And, by the way, nice attempt at trying to put st. cronin and I at odds by saying I belittled his idea. Now why would you want to put two people at odds, Blade? ;)

[Blade6119]

Also, I think using the term "belittle" to describe my post is off target. Presenting three good reasons for why I disagree with what he said does not disparage or lessen the point he made. It is an honest attempt at trying to answer his question of why I do not see voting for CW as a good move.

To simplify it for you Blade, having CW in the game gives them another distraction (or more than one, even, considering we have to suspect both him and then take whoever he "clears" into consideration) to use in their favor, as long as he is a human. Once he is converted, he can be killed and that element is removed from the game. Add in the probability of a bodyguard and a witness, and I don't see it as a good play from their perspective.

And, by the way, nice attempt at trying to put st. cronin and I at odds by saying I belittled his idea. Now why would you want to put two people at odds, Blade? ;)
So you assume CW is clear, yet when he clears me last night you now imply im bad? Your just full of funn little tidbits that twist the truth. I would love for you to to be at odds, it would help me in my quest to get my targets tested. Today, my targets tested their suspect. He turned up clean like i expected. Tomorrow, i dont not intend to let my suspects do that again(for clarification, you are one of the suspects...).

Position all you want, the noose is tightening

[Swaggs]

So you assume CW is clear, yet when he clears me last night you now imply im bad? Your just full of funn little tidbits that twist the truth. I would love for you to to be at odds, it would help me in my quest to get my targets tested. Today, my targets tested their suspect. He turned up clean like i expected. Tomorrow, i dont not intend to let my suspects do that again(for clarification, you are one of the suspects...).

Position all you want, the noose is tightening

If I felt strongly that you were one of them, I would have voted for you.

I am not too surprised to see I am on your suspect list, since I am playing in this game and you have, at one time or another, named nearly everyone as a suspect. I would be offended if you didn't suspect me. :)

And, if you don't see the logic of why I don't think CW is not a Thing in my three point post, then I am probably not going to be able to sell you on it. I do not particularly see why you are targetting him, since he just cleared you (which would presumably be something you could verify), but I am guessing you are just trying to step on my toes and see how I respond, so no worries.

[Blade6119]

If I felt strongly that you were one of them, I would have voted for you.

I am not too surprised to see I am on your suspect list, since I am playing in this game and you have, at one time or another, named nearly everyone as a suspect. I would be offended if you didn't suspect me. :)

And, if you don't see the logic of why I don't think CW is not a Thing in my three point post, then I am probably not going to be able to sell you on it. I do not particularly see why you are targetting him, since he just cleared you (which would presumably be something you could verify), but I am guessing you are just trying to step on my toes and see how I respond, so no worries.
Did you even follow along? I voted hoops and barkeep, stating my things were hoops, tangle. and prob. barkeep. CW was never my suspect. But nice job seeming oblivious there

[Swaggs]

Did you even follow along? I voted hoops and barkeep, stating my things were hoops, tangle. and prob. barkeep. CW was never my suspect. But nice job seeming oblivious there

I'm sorry for being oblivious. I clearly do not have the quadruple digit IQ that you do in my tiny brain. I will try my very best to be more mindful in the future.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you start this entire exchange by saying that I belittled the post in which st. cronin said, "Why in the world won't you people vote for CW????" If you had a problem with me pointing out why I do not think CW is Thing when you do not think CW is a Thing, then what was your point?

[Blade6119]

I'm sorry for being oblivious. I clearly do not have the quadruple digit IQ that you do in my tiny brain. I will try my very best to be more mindful in the future.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you start this entire exchange by saying that I belittled the post in which st. cronin said, "Why in the world won't you people vote for CW????" If you had a problem with me pointing out why I do not think CW is Thing when you do not think CW is a Thing, then what was your point?
I found it amazing that you just voted for a villager and are already dispelling his assumptions. It should be the other way around. My stance on CW has nothing to do with the fact you aided in voting a villager(in cooperation with the top two suspects at the time), and without acknowledging it imediately started dispelling other ideas(if you want my opinion, a far, far, far more plausible scenario)

[Swaggs]

I found it amazing that you just voted for a villager and are already dispelling his assumptions. It should be the other way around. My stance on CW has nothing to do with the fact you aided in voting a villager(in cooperation with the top two suspects at the time), and without acknowledging it imediately started dispelling other ideas(if you want my opinion, a far, far, far more plausible scenario)

With all due respect, if you do not want anyone that has voted for a villager in the past few days to add anything to the discussion, it will be a very quiet game. I made a bad choice, obviously. So did a plurality of the voters today. I would have much rather voted for a Thing, but not much I can do about now except keeping investigating and try to get it right next time.

I am done going around in circles with you for the night, so I'll let you have the last word(s). I hope we are still on the same team in the morning. Have a good one. :)

[mckerney]

Here's why I am absolutely voting for Barkeep tomorrow:

At 9:00 pm the vote was on Barkeep and many layers thought the vote was final. Then in the last hour, a massive push to vote for me occured. Why? If Barkeep were clean, why push to get someone else tested?

Unless something happens between now and then, I am voting for Barkeep. Again.


-Anxiety

I'm strongly going to consider going with barkeep again tomorrow. I think it's highly unlikely that he hasn't been a target for conversion.

[Blade6119]

With all due respect, if you do not want anyone that has voted for a villager in the past few days to add anything to the discussion, it will be a very quiet game. I made a bad choice, obviously. So did a plurality of the voters today. I would have much rather voted for a Thing, but not much I can do about now except keeping investigating and try to get it right next time.

I am done going around in circles with you for the night, so I'll let you have the last word(s). I hope we are still on the same team in the morning. Have a good one. :)
Im all fine and dandy with doing more research and investigating, but i dont see you doing that. I only see you debating his ideas. Not wrong by any means to do so, and i was far more harsh then you deserved at first(as i said, comments i make tonight cant be held against me...i still feel we got flat out played, and you knowingly aided them..so im not clear of mind anymore).

All im saying, is lets see a list of suspects from you with reasons or something, as just saying anxiety seemed like he could have been a wolf is so transparent its utterly useless to me. Provide references and what not, becuase id love to know how his UTR game you referenced is any different then yours or WVUs or tanlges...im just wondering how you came up with him(reasons), or where you are looking tomorrow...is that asking too much?


And i hope i dont get converted tonight, as it will piss me off to no end if the i was right and can't boast about it. Now if its CW, RA, dubb and cronin feel free to convert me...i deserve to get raped then...but i think ive finally got a pretty good idea of who the things are and i think tomorrow could be a pretty damn productive day(finding tonights convert will be a bitch...it will be someone totally opposite of where the things have been going it would seem)

[Raiders Army]

At this point, I hope I'm converted tonight. I'm tired of being in the dark. :)

j/k

Anyhow, at the hit rate that we're not getting a Thing, I would assume that they cannot convert every night. I think that's a pretty safe assumption. If that is the case, then I would guess that they converted two people. So at this point, there's probably two Things out there who are conversions. The thing I don't know is if they're going to convert tonight.

If they converted Night 1 and 3, then they can convert tonight.
If they converted Night 2 and 4, we should be safe. I would assume they could start converting Night 2.

[Blade6119]

RA, what are your thoughts on the votes that saved hoops, and then barkeep? DO we have our things or are we just chasing another dead end?

[hoopsguy]

Morning, guys. Another night that ended terribly, although I'm pretty convinced that it started terribly and there were not good choices there to be had.

Blade, if you are looking to draw linkage between me and Barkeep it isn't there. Our voting patterns have been pretty close throughout the game, but you should know that two Things wouldn't put themselves in that position. Now if you want to argue that one of us is a Thing and is playing the other one, I can buy into that notion. And if that is the case then I screwed the pooch last night.

[Blade6119]

Morning, guys. Another night that ended terribly, although I'm pretty convinced that it started terribly and there were not good choices there to be had.

Blade, if you are looking to draw linkage between me and Barkeep it isn't there. Our voting patterns have been pretty close throughout the game, but you should know that two Things wouldn't put themselves in that position. Now if you want to argue that one of us is a Thing and is playing the other one, I can buy into that notion. And if that is the case then I screwed the pooch last night.
Im still assuming conversion every night, in which you and tangle are things...barkeep is just a suspect to me still. But you asked why a flurry of votes wasnt coming to save you if you were a thing, and low and behold they did just that.

[hoopsguy]

In fairness, I was never lined up to be viewed in the last two hours. I understand that you view me as suspect numero uno. I'll tell you that you are wrong, but ultimately that is up for you to decide for yourself.

I'm also assuming conversion every night - assume the worst and hope for the best.

[Blade6119]

In fairness, I was never lined up to be viewed in the last two hours.
For exactly the reasons you had said wouldnt happen becuase you were clean...you do see the utter contradiction in your defense earlier and what actually happened?

[hoopsguy]

OK, then why would I put that statement on the board if I knew that I had the numbers to make it happen? Wouldn't it be smarter to just shut up, knowing that I'm safe as a kitten with the hordes of Things at my disposal to move the vote?

[Raiders Army]

I'm not really sure at this point of the vote switching yesterday. I have a strong belief that there is probably a Thing in the "cleared" people group and a Thing in the "uncleared" people group.

[Barkeep49]

Let's review some history. I thought I had been voted to be tested. WHat did I do? I lashed out at the cockscuckers who voted for me. Why, if I am a scientist, didn't I want to be voted? BECUASE I WANTED TO FIND A SHITFACE. Early on when there weren't too many shitfaces running around I didn't mind being test so much. Now? There are likely more and so I would much rather hit one of them up.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not really sure at this point of the vote switching yesterday. I have a strong belief that there is probably a Thing in the "cleared" people group and a Thing in the "uncleared" people group.
I would agree with this.

I am not, however, convinced of your idea that shitfaces can't convert everyday. With their ability to vote in a semi-block and our lack there of, I think it's quite easy for us to be rather manipulated.

[Raiders Army]

I would agree with this.

I am not, however, convinced of your idea that shitfaces can't convert everyday. With their ability to vote in a semi-block and our lack there of, I think it's quite easy for us to be rather manipulated.
Hmmm...I would think then that if they could convert every day, the bodyguard blocked at least once. If that's the case, we probably have 3 Things out there (possibly 4 after tonight).

[Barkeep49]

Hmmm...I would think then that if they could convert every day, the bodyguard blocked at least once. If that's the case, we probably have 3 Things out there (possibly 4 after tonight).
I wouldn't disagree that there are perhaps 1 less then expected shitfaces out there as the bodyguard could have played the CW chess game correctly.

[Barkeep49]

So if yawl have questions for me the next two hours are the best, though I will be around later for a bti.

[st.cronin]

The Things will not vote in a 'block': What they will likely do is, when the votes are spread over three or more candidates (like yesterday), spread their votes around in such a way that a human gets tested, but no true pattern emerges in the votes.

Nobody has yet spoken to this point:

FOR THE THINGS, IT IS IMPERATIVE TO GET THE SEER OUT OF THE GAME.

[Barkeep49]

The Things will not vote in a 'block': What they will likely do is, when the votes are spread over three or more candidates (like yesterday), spread their votes around in such a way that a human gets tested, but no true pattern emerges in the votes.

Nobody has yet spoken to this point:

FOR THE THINGS, IT IS IMPERATIVE TO GET THE SEER OUT OF THE GAME.
I think several people have expressed that idea about the seer. And that's why I said in a semi-block. They will be spread around, I agree, but in a way that's advantagous to them.

[st.cronin]

I think several people have expressed that idea about the seer.

And yet nobody wants to vote for him.

Look, all humans vote for CW: keep it simple. If you're a human, you must realize that there is SOME possibility that he's a Thing, so vote for him.

[Barkeep49]

And yet nobody wants to vote for him.

Look, all humans vote for CW: keep it simple. If you're a human, you must realize that there is SOME possibility that he's a Thing, so vote for him.
I believe I was firmly on the CW train as long as possible yesterday. I mean did you see somebody switch to CW from me or Hoops? Cause I didn't. Now granted I've wanted to test UTR people but yeah CW was right high up there.

[st.cronin]

I believe I was firmly on the CW train as long as possible yesterday. I mean did you see somebody switch to CW from me or Hoops? Cause I didn't. Now granted I've wanted to test UTR people but yeah CW was right high up there.

hence BK was in the circle of trust yesterday

I propose a simple test: No human can possibly think CW is cleared. So, everybody vote for CW. No dissenting arguments, let's rally around this one possibility. It's a vastly better idea than trying to figure out which UTR guy is the most likely convert, or whatever. Unity of action: It's the only way to fight the Things.

Assuming this works, and CW gets roasted, there obviously WILL have been dissenting arguments: we can look to those as possibilities.

[Barkeep49]

hence BK was in the circle of trust yesterday

I propose a simple test: No human can possibly think CW is cleared. So, everybody vote for CW. No dissenting arguments, let's rally around this one possibility. It's a vastly better idea than trying to figure out which UTR guy is the most likely convert, or whatever. Unity of action: It's the only way to fight the Things.

Assuming this works, and CW gets roasted, there obviously WILL have been dissenting arguments: we can look to those as possibilities.
I wish you had wait until daybreak to propose this plan as I was hinting at this yesterday with Blade but didn't want to come out and say it on the off chance that the shitfaces were planning on converting him tonight.

[st.cronin]

I wish you had wait until daybreak to propose this plan as I was hinting at this yesterday with Blade but didn't want to come out and say it on the off chance that the shitfaces were planning on converting him tonight.

I think in this game it's a good idea to talk strategy before night actions are done. But chances are they have already submitted their moves anyway.

[hoopsguy]

I buy the argument for going after CW more today than I did yesterday and would be willing to play along with this today. But I would like to see the results from the Night activities before fully committing to this plan.

I also believe that if the bodyguard had stopped a conversion there would have been some kind of impact. Either they kill the Thing (and it would make sense to announce they are the bodyguard, since the Things would likely know), or they are potentially converted instead of the original target (I consider this much less likely in terms of game balance). If the bodyguard has a block I would expect that we don't have a perfectly quiet night like Nights 2, 3, and 4.

[Barkeep49]

I think in this game it's a good idea to talk strategy before night actions are done. But chances are they have already submitted their moves anyway.
I agree in general though not in this specific case. While I agree it's likely the shitfaces have submitted a night action they can always change it.

[Barkeep49]

I buy the argument for going after CW more today than I did yesterday and would be willing to play along with this today. But I would like to see the results from the Night activities before fully committing to this plan.

I also believe that if the bodyguard had stopped a conversion there would have been some kind of impact. Either they kill the Thing (and it would make sense to announce they are the bodyguard, since the Things would likely know), or they are potentially converted instead of the original target (I consider this much less likely in terms of game balance). If the bodyguard has a block I would expect that we don't have a perfectly quiet night like Nights 2, 3, and 4.
I thinkt he BG coming forward today might be a very good thing.

[Coffee Warlord]

hence BK was in the circle of trust yesterday

I propose a simple test: No human can possibly think CW is cleared. So, everybody vote for CW. No dissenting arguments, let's rally around this one possibility. It's a vastly better idea than trying to figure out which UTR guy is the most likely convert, or whatever. Unity of action: It's the only way to fight the Things.

Assuming this works, and CW gets roasted, there obviously WILL have been dissenting arguments: we can look to those as possibilities.

One teensy tiny like problem here. Unless I'm hit this night action....STILL NOT A THING, ace.

I acknowledge the fact that noone aside from Blade should believe me. Hell, *I* wouldn't believe me. I have zero defense. Which, if you think about it, works exceptionally well for the Things.

Alas. Still not a thing.

[path12]

And yet nobody wants to vote for him.

Look, all humans vote for CW: keep it simple. If you're a human, you must realize that there is SOME possibility that he's a Thing, so vote for him.

We had three on him and we weren't getting any more at the deadline. Rather than risk a tie we had to switch. I'm not happy with the switch, and I'm pissed that I apparently can't find a friggin' thing if my life depended on it, but that was the situation.

Today, well, I'm willing to go there again. I'm not sure everyone else is though.

[Schmidty]

As usually, the night is eerily quiet.

Day 6 has begun. Votes will be due by 9 PM EST.

[hoopsguy]

Alright, let's run numbers here:

Starting with 2 Things
Day 1: 14-2
Day 2: 13-2 (Qwikshot killed, one conversion)
Day 3: 12-2 (Saldana killed, one conversion)
Day 4: 11-3
Day 5: 10-4
Day 6: 9-5

I think this represents a realistic situation. Worst-case would involve another starting Thing, best-case would involve a slower conversion rate.

Our problems are magnified with the fact that Dubb and WVUFAN missed last nights vote and we have no indication that either will be around to help us tonight. We don't know if they are current scientists or Things, although Dubb passed a blood test at the end of Day 4.

Finally, the Things are amassing a big enough group to pretty much control the vote unless we are big-time united.

Anything to add to the current state of the game here?

[JeeberD]

I've been wanting this for the past few days and my mind still hasn't been changed.

Vote Barkeep

[st.cronin]

One teensy tiny like problem here. Unless I'm hit this night action....STILL NOT A THING, ace.

I acknowledge the fact that noone aside from Blade should believe me. Hell, *I* wouldn't believe me. I have zero defense. Which, if you think about it, works exceptionally well for the Things.

Alas. Still not a thing.

Why would Blade believe you? If I were Blade and human, I would still be skeptical.

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

[st.cronin]

I've been wanting this for the past few days and my mind still hasn't been changed.

Vote Barkeep

Are you even reading the thread?

[JeeberD]

Yes, I am. Just because you want something doesn't mean I have to want the same thing.

[st.cronin]

Yes, I am. Just because you want something doesn't mean I have to want the same thing.

So you want the humans to spread their votes out over several different candidates. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, Thing.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, for what it's worth I think going for the unanimous vote today (or damn close) is the best way to keep the Things from screwing with it.

Assuming that Dubb and WVUFAN are not going to vote today, the margin for votes is 7 scientists and 5 Things. So much the better if they do, but I don't think we can count on this. Team Thing would give their left nut (or whatever the equivalent Thing part is) to have a tie at the end of the day. So we really do need to be pretty united on this one to guarantee a testing that is going to hold up.

[st.cronin]

Guys, for what it's worth I think going for the unanimous vote today (or damn close) is the best way to keep the Things from screwing with it.

Assuming that Dubb and WVUFAN are not going to vote today, the margin for votes is 7 scientists and 5 Things. So much the better if they do, but I don't think we can count on this. Team Thing would give their left nut (or whatever the equivalent Thing part is) to have a tie at the end of the day. So we really do need to be pretty united on this one to guarantee a testing that is going to hold up.

Agreed. BK and I have already put forth CW as the one to be tested. If he passes, we should be next; if he gets burned, Jeeber and anybody else who tried to put forth somebody else should get tested.

Basically, to vote for somebody other than CW today is an admission that you are a Thing.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, would you opinion that CW is the best one to test change if you knew:

A.) that he had been protected every night since his admission
B.) that he had been protected two of of three nights since his admission
C.) that he had been protected one out of three nights since his admission

I'll disregard him being protected zero out of three, since that obviously wouldn't change your impression.

I am behind the idea of a united front for the vote. Just want to make sure we are choosing the right person. If you take this as a sign of dissent, so be it.

I'm not looking to drag this out too long, but I'm especially interested in responses to scenarios B and C.

[hoopsguy]

Er, was supposed to be "would your opinion be that CW" ... in the first line above.

Damn editing rules in WW ...

[Coffee Warlord]

Whelp. Don't expect anyone to trust me worth a damn at this point, and honestly, I have no freakin' clue how I've not been converted yet. But, for what it's worth, Barkeep is clean.

Apparently there are no Things, and it's all a communist conspiracy.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

There's something about the cronin/Coffee/Blade thing that disturbs me.

[Raiders Army]

Scratch that to cronin/Coffee/Blade/Barkeep thing.

[Schmidty]

kingfc22 has agreed to take over for dubb, although he hasn't checked into the thread yet apparantly.

[hoopsguy]

Perfect. That will at least give us a better chance of having our proper vote count today.

[Coffee Warlord]

I pity anyone who has to leap into this mess. :)

[path12]

OK, I've only been able to pop in and out occasionally because it's pretty busy today, so bear with me.

Here's my question I'd like to throw out there. I've been saying since CW's reveal that he's gotta be converted, and Cronin has been out there with the same theory.

So. Is he? What are the odds? Are the things just fucking with us and leaving him alone because A) it's obvious we don't believe him anyway, or B) nobody knows if there's a bodyguard or not and they don't want to take the risk? Especially since we're just stepping over our own dicks anyway testing every scientist in the friggin' camp.

Call it devils advocate. I'm curious what others think.

[Schmidty]

WVU hasn't been around since the 22nd, so I guess he needs to be replaced as well. :(

[Abe Sargent]

I don't think CW is dirty.

I think there had to be a reason to hop to me from Barkeep last night. Otherwise, why do it?

Vote Barkeep


-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

Okay, so I guess I'm filling in for Dubb. I have yet to read this thread and it is highly unlikely I will.

I'm going to try and piece some information together over from the past day or so and go from there.

[hoopsguy]

OK, we are down to six hours left on this vote and don't have any momentum going in terms of a unanimous vote. I'm going to see if I can help answer questions like "what are the odds that CW was guarded?" The answer is one out of three days since his reveal.

I'm the bodyguard. I did not guard him the day after his reveal. I did guard him the following night (Night 4). I can not guard the same player two days in a row, so I did not guard him last night.


I'm all for testing him tonight. Either we get a Thing, or we give CW almost a 50/50 shot of getting a Thing on the following day. But if we whiff on both of those days we lose as the Things will have even numbers and can all vote the same scientist to force a tie, which equals no vote, which equals loss when they convert that night.

I think the Things have every reason to convert CW, but I figured they would be too worried to do so on the first night. I guarded the second night. If they went out on the third night to get him, then he is converted.

I'll be in this thread as much as I can be today to try and help us get the right unanimous vote today. At this stage in the game I think voting records become secondary to playing to win.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, if CW is not dirty then Barkeep could only have been converted last night as he just cleared him.

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1888:

Barkeep - Jeeber (1868), Anxiety (1885)
Coffee - Cronin (1869), Raiders (1878)


Not voted: everyone else

[Coffee Warlord]

Well there goes BOTH my damn suspects if you're telling the truth, hoops.

[Raiders Army]

So if he was converted, it was probably last night. That means that st. cronin and Blade were on the level yesterday. Good to know.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, if CW is not dirty then Barkeep could only have been converted last night as he just cleared him.


Musta missed that. I need ta think, hold on.


Unvote Barkeep. For now.


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

It doesn't absolutely mean that Blade, Coffee, or Cronin were on the level yesterday. The Things could have gotten him on the first night. I think the conversation in the thread was definitely indicating that CW should be guarded. So I didn't guard him that night, hoping that the Things would come back around on Night 4.

They didn't come around on Night 4. I have yet to encounter a Thing on any night. So they may have converted him on Night 3, in which case those guys are still in play. I consider it more likely that CW would be a convert on Night 5 but also possible that he hasn't been converted at all.

But that is why I backed CW and Blade yesterday.

Here is a list of who I have protected on each night:
Night 1: me
Night 2: Barkeep
Night 3: me again
Night 4: Coffee
Night 5: Blade

In general, I have tried to protect people that I thought were scientists representing tempting targets for the Things. I don't know what happens if I guard a Thing (I asked), although it is possible that nothing happens - either positive or negative. But since I was covering the people I considered the most likely to be high-visibility converts, I've advocated that we are most likely playing against multiple UTR Things.

[Raiders Army]

You protected yourself twice?!? What about me?

[JeeberD]

But, for what it's worth, Barkeep is clean.


Bah...more confused than ever.

Unvote Barkeep

For now, at least...

[hoopsguy]

On the 2nd protect (Day 3) I wasn't sure where to go with it. I felt like Barkeep and I had been the most high profile people going after the Things on the first couple of days. And Day 3 was such a mess of finger-pointing, plus CW was out. So deciding whether or not to guard CW that night was my first decision. But after that, I didn't know where to put the vote so I stayed home so I could be sure of being around to protect CW the following night.

[hoopsguy]

2nd protect (Day 3) = 2nd time I protected myself.

[Abe Sargent]

Too many UTR peops. Tanglewood. mckerney. saldana. pennywise.

[Coffee Warlord]

Saldana's dead.

[Abe Sargent]

That's right. I went to the first page and just wrote down peops I hadn;t heard from in a while. Now I know why, eh?


-Anxiety

[Coffee Warlord]

Just don't start voting for like...Schmidity next. :)

[Blade6119]

...hoops...i think you enjoy making me feel like shit...if your not lying, i have been the most horrendously wrong person all game...sweet jesus i suck

[Blade6119]

Too many UTR peops. Tanglewood. mckerney. saldana. pennywise.
Saldana = long since dead

[kingfc22]

Is there an updated list of who is alive?

[Coffee Warlord]

...hoops...i think you enjoy making me feel like shit...if your not lying, i have been the most horrendously wrong person all game...sweet jesus i suck

Dude. 6 days. 6 wrong scans. That's gotta be a new record.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Mckerney


Until I come up with a different strategy.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

This vote is for sale to the best person who can convince me to go elsewhere.


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

It doesn't absolutely mean that Blade, Coffee, or Cronin were on the level yesterday. The Things could have gotten him on the first night. I think the conversation in the thread was definitely indicating that CW should be guarded. So I didn't guard him that night, hoping that the Things would come back around on Night 4.

They didn't come around on Night 4. I have yet to encounter a Thing on any night. So they may have converted him on Night 3, in which case those guys are still in play. I consider it more likely that CW would be a convert on Night 5 but also possible that he hasn't been converted at all.

But that is why I backed CW and Blade yesterday.

Here is a list of who I have protected on each night:
Night 1: me
Night 2: Barkeep
Night 3: me again
Night 4: Coffee
Night 5: Blade

In general, I have tried to protect people that I thought were scientists representing tempting targets for the Things. I don't know what happens if I guard a Thing (I asked), although it is possible that nothing happens - either positive or negative. But since I was covering the people I considered the most likely to be high-visibility converts, I've advocated that we are most likely playing against multiple UTR Things.
What is the name of your role? I ask becuase it seems quite odd that on night 4 you guarded CW, a night he supposedly scanned me, yet you make no mention of noticing him take action. Right now im deciding if that worth looking into or not.

[Blade6119]

But that is why I backed CW and Blade yesterday.
Dola, the hell? CW and i were voting for you...how did you back us?

[Blade6119]

You protected yourself twice?!? What about me?
Welcome to the feel like shit club...im not only the founder, but im also a member!

[Blade6119]

Too many UTR peops. Tanglewood. mckerney. saldana. pennywise.
Dola, pennywise is out of the game too...penny=barkeep now :) so your batting 2-2 anxiety ;)

Welcome to the feel like shit club as well...we could rule this game :p

[Blade6119]

wow, the quad dola...dont see that often...and now quintuplet dola? Damn im good

[Abe Sargent]

Heheheh. Like I said, I just went with the peops on the opening page. Schmidity should update that :hint:


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

This is why I voted for you on day two I think. TALK TO MUCH :)


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

This is why I voted for you on day two I think. TALK TO MUCH :)


-Anxiety
Someones gotta do it. With seemingly half the game already AWOL, i have to make up for their posts..all my wrong guesses? those were me role playing the missing guys gueesses...Blade has been 100% correct this game..he just has yet to show up

[Schmidty]

Is there an updated list of who is alive?

The only people who are dead are Qwikshot and saldana.

1. JeeberD
2. st.cronin
3. tanglewood
4. Raiders Army
5. Blade6119
6. kingfc
7. Swaggs
8. path12
9. saldana - dead day 2
10. Qwikshot - dead day 1
11. Barkeep
12. mckerney
13. Coffee Warlord
14. Anxiety
15. hoopsguy
16. WVUFAN (MIA)

[kingfc22]

I have to go to work in an hour. So if we can get something together that would be great or else I'm just going to have to throw out a vote and hope for the best.

[Blade6119]

Vote Hoopsguy

I wont get any support, but im sticking by my gut. I never thought he was an original, and i never thought him a simple villager(as ive pointed out countless times). In my mind this role reveal means nothing...if he was converted would he reveal the role any differently? Im sorry, im not buying it...

No matter what happens, at least i was finally right about something(hoops akwardly trying to latch onto the brilliant bit, and therefore not being a simple villager).

[mckerney]

I have no idea where to go with this, but with a bodyguard reveal out there it may not be a bad idea to follow that. So far it seems that no one obvious has been converted, so I don't think it'd be out of the relm of possiblility that they'd leave CW and let us test him like they did when we retesting Jeeber, all while growing their numbers.

I'm currently not planning on going after barkeep again, though I have no idea who I do want to go with for tonights vote.

[Blade6119]

Not buying = that he is still a good guy. I believe he is/was the bodyguard...i also believe that he has since turned evil...to clarify

[hoopsguy]

Blade, check back at my comments yesterday as voting came up. I stuck by CW hard and said that by extension I thought you were legit. I said that two of the people attacking me were on my most trusted list. And that I didn't think Barkeep was a great option because I had protected him earlier in the game.

Again, I don't know if anything happens when I guard a Thing, but I have factored this unknown into my thinking all along. I know that I have not been converted while guarding someone. I know that I have not encountered a Thing, which means that I'm doing just about as well as CW in bringing value from my role. But I've been trying to play percentages on people based on my guard options.

Right now we have a total of four votes in on three people. This is not a winning play for us, as the Things will take over the vote.

[Blade6119]

Raiders, Coffee...you voted with me on Hoops yesterday, and i think were pretty much agreed he was a night two convert...has anything changed to make you guys vote otherwise?

[Blade6119]

Blade, check back at my comments yesterday as voting came up. I stuck by CW hard and said that by extension I thought you were legit. I said that two of the people attacking me were on my most trusted list. And that I didn't think Barkeep was a great option because I had protected him earlier in the game.

Again, I don't know if anything happens when I guard a Thing, but I have factored this unknown into my thinking all along. I know that I have not been converted while guarding someone. I know that I have not encountered a Thing, which means that I'm doing just about as well as CW in bringing value from my role. But I've been trying to play percentages on people based on my guard options.

Right now we have a total of four votes in on three people. This is not a winning play for us, as the Things will take over the vote.
Like they did yesterday to save you? I understand your viewpoint, but your defense is the same argument i used against you yesterday. You have been seeminly perfect all game. You have defended everyone who has come up clean and asked we attack everyone who hasn't(up until anxiety..but i still attribute that to you just trying to move the vote off of yourself). I figured eventually you would run out of people to swap it to and it came yesterday. Your not going to change my mind, and i doubt ill change anyone elses. But in my mind your bad, have been since night 2, prob. really were the bodyguard, and will end up winning the game(not a human win)

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, Coffee...you voted with me on Hoops yesterday, and i think were pretty much agreed he was a night two convert...has anything changed to make you guys vote otherwise?
Yeah, I'm sober now.

[st.cronin]

Hoopsguy's reveal makes me MORE adamant about testing CW. I think it's better than even odds that he was converted, either night 1 or night 3. For the Things, converting him is, in chess terms, swapping pawns to get a better position. For us not to take the swap is to then give up a rook for nothing.

Since hoopsguy (if being honest) is able to protect CW tonight, that means if we test him, and he scans a thing, we can be sure he's telling the truth.

Incidentally, there is no way that a test of CW will validate hoops. The best case scenario is CW is a Thing. 2nd best is he tests human, and gives us a Thing tomorrow.

[path12]

Hoops, was there anything that happened when you guarded night 2?

[Barkeep49]

Well I have about 20 minutes to cast a vote and no clue how to best do it.

[st.cronin]

Throwing out random guesses will get us nowhere. We need a system. There's nobody that makes MORE sense to test than CW, because even if he tests human, that gives us KNOWLEDGE.

[Barkeep49]

Ok cronin. I will buy in. But I honestly still think CW is on the level.

Vote Coffee

I think tangle is of high suspicion. Hoops tomorrow is highly suspicious. Beyond that I don't know. But Tangle and Hoops are my two most likely shitfaces today and especially tomorrow. Blade's comment about hoops playing the perfect game, just won't leave my mind.

[Abe Sargent]

Throwing out random guesses will get us nowhere. We need a system. There's nobody that makes MORE sense to test than CW, because even if he tests human, that gives us KNOWLEDGE.


I rock with this, although I still think CW is innocent.

Unvote McKerney

Vote Coffee Warlord


-Anxiety

[Coffee Warlord]

Ok cronin. I will buy in. But I honestly still think CW is on the level.

You realize we're rapidly running out of days to be fucking around testing scientists, yes?

[st.cronin]

You realize we're rapidly running out of days to be fucking around testing scientists, yes?

Don't worry about the test, worry about finding us a Thing tonight.

[Barkeep49]

You realize we're rapidly running out of days to be fucking around testing scientists, yes?
You realize if you test clean we've narrowed down the list of people considerably who could have been converted on each day. Which ups the heat on my suspected villian tangle. I don't see a tangle majority today so testing you is the next best thing I think.

[Coffee Warlord]

'Cause, you know, my record has been stellar so far at actually finding one. :)

[Barkeep49]

'Cause, you know, my record has been stellar so far at actually finding one. :)
Well the list is narrowing, isn't it?

[Barkeep49]

Out until after lynch.

[Coffee Warlord]

You realize if you test clean we've narrowed down the list of people considerably who could have been converted on each day. Which ups the heat on my suspected villian tangle. I don't see a tangle majority today so testing you is the next best thing I think.

Quite a valid point you've got, though we still run into that whole fiasco of my scans being valid for like...not at all.

We're on, what...day 6? That's a LOT of conversions, unless hoops is 1) telling the truth and 2) really damned lucky. We've got what, a day or two before we either lose or they control so much of the voting block that it's not gonna matter.

What bothers me is we've already got 2 people with the "I don't think he's a Thing, but I'll vote him anyway." That mentality is gonna get us axed, especially from two people in my list LEAST likely to be Things right now. (Anxiety cleared last night, you're clean as of my scan).

That said. Again, I can't fault the logic. I just don't like burning yet another day.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well the list is narrowing, isn't it?

God damn well better not be widening, or my 0 fer will continue. :)

[st.cronin]

I think Coffee, if tested, burns. I guess hoops could be telling the truth, but my best opinion is that CW was converted the night of his reveal.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think Coffee, if tested, burns. I guess hoops could be telling the truth, but my best opinion is that CW was converted the night of his reveal.

....So I've been happily going about scanning scientists and stating they are clean since day 2?

Right.

[st.cronin]

....So I've been happily going about scanning scientists and stating they are clean since day 2?

Right.

If you're a Thing, that would be the best way to play it. "Sorry guys, didn't find a Thing again last night."

[hoopsguy]

Vote updates, as of Post #1938:

Coffee - Cronin (1869), Raiders (1878), Barkeep (1929), anxiety (1930)

Hoopsguy - Blade (1918)

[hoopsguy]

I don't feel that I have played anything close to a perfect game, seeing as how I have not encountered a Thing yet. And the times where I've been in the majority of the vote (since Day 1) haven't netted us a Thing either.

Time to get the vote into play. I think this is a decent option for testing, although if the Things have ignored him up to this point then it makes it pretty clear where I'm going to have to defend tonight.


VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

[st.cronin]

I think Jeeber has a vote on Barkeep.

[Coffee Warlord]

Here we go again.

Vote Hoops

Rather vote for him than myself, since I know I'm clean (and voting for yourself is lame in my book regardless).

[Coffee Warlord]

By the by, I may actually have a *gasp* date tonight, so HOPEFULLY I won't be around tonight. :)

[tanglewood]

For all the people who suspect me to varying degrees, could they say explicitly why? Or is it just becuase I'm an UTR guy? Is it my voting record, my posts? I'm not being aggressive, just curious and willing to defend myself.

As for today's vote, espeicaially with Hoops' bodyguard move I think Coffee has to be the vote here. If Coffee comes clean again, then we have a significantly narrowed field of people so I almost think this is a win/win. However, we desperatly need to score on a Thing either today or tommorow otherwise we are pretty much toast, especially with WVUFan not participating.

Vote Coffee Warlord

[hoopsguy]

Blade, going back to Post #1908, my role name is special ops. I'm going to dance around PM descriptions here, but the gist of it is that I was sent here to protect the scientists from harm.

[path12]

If he's clean we're screwed.

VOTE COFFEE

[Swaggs]

I hate to not vote for Barkeep after pretty much guaranteeing that I would after last night's debacle, but I feel like there might be some underlying message that is being passed by another player.

Vote Coffee Warlord

[Swaggs]

Maybe a stupid question, but, Hoops, it is conceivable that you have been protecting a Thing without realizing, correct?

[path12]

Maybe a stupid question, but, Hoops, it is conceivable that you have been protecting a Thing without realizing, correct?

That's what I was trying to ask earlier when I asked if he had noticed anything when guarding night 2 -- which was phrased poorly. I mean the night he guarded CW.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, it is possible that I have protected a Thing. But if that is the case I did not detect them launching an attack and they did not convert me while doing so. I have tried to guard scientists in order to avoid putting myself in a position where I wasn't sure what the result would be.

I have a very good idea what happens if I defend a guy that is attacked by a Thing. I don't have a clear idea what happens if I guard a Thing.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, it is possible that I have protected a Thing. But if that is the case I did not detect them launching an attack and they did not convert me while doing so. I have tried to guard scientists in order to avoid putting myself in a position where I wasn't sure what the result would be.

I have a very good idea what happens if I defend a guy that is attacked by a Thing. I don't have a clear idea what happens if I guard a Thing.

and you guarded CW last night?

[hoopsguy]

Not last night, two nights ago. I have only guarded CW one of the three nights since his reveal. Blade last night.

FWIW, I will almost certainly guard him tonight if he is revealed to still be playing the role of Geneticist.

[Raiders Army]

Not changing my vote. I'll see you guys later after the votes are tallied.

[Swaggs]

We know (or very strongly suspect) that Blade was a simple, but brilliant scientist to begin with, so he is not the witness.

Would now be a good time for the witness to come forward?

[tanglewood]

We know (or very strongly suspect) that Blade was a simple, but brilliant scientist to begin with, so he is not the witness.

Would now be a good time for the witness to come forward?

I think now it is getting very irgent. anyone that has any oinformation has to come forward either today or tommorow. We are going to need a double Thing kills day at some point in order to even have a hance of winning this IMHO.

[hoopsguy]

If there is a witness, and he has waited until now to come forward, I'll be first in line to kick his ass.

[tanglewood]

I think now it is getting very irgent. anyone that has any oinformation has to come forward either today or tommorow. We are going to need a double Thing kills day at some point in order to even have a hance of winning this IMHO.

Wow, my internat speelling and grammer has been geting very bad recentlee.

[st.cronin]

If there is a witness, and he has waited until now to come forward, I'll be first in line to kick his ass.

I doubt there is a witness. SOP for a witness is to witness night 1, and reveal day 2. There's really no other strategy that makes sense.

[JeeberD]

Ugh, I hate HATE doing this 'caue I think CW is clean. But my voting for someone else isn't going to accomplish anything, I'm afraid...

Vote CW

[path12]

I'm out until after lynch. Good luck to us.

[mckerney]

Vote Coffee Warlord

I'm hoping that we get something with this one, because were in big trouble and have been totally played by the things if we don't.

[hoopsguy]

Coffee - Cronin (1869), Raiders (1878), Barkeep (1929), anxiety (1930), Hoopsguy (1943), Tangle (1947), Path (1949), Swaggs (1950), Jeeber (1962), mckerney (1964)

Hoopsguy - Blade (1918), Coffee (1945)

No votes - Kingfc, WVUFAN


OK, it isn't unanimous but it should be a large enough margin to avoid any pre-deadline antics. Unless five Things are currently on CW and thinking about moving over to me (well, four could force a tie) we are going to get our answers on the seer tonight.

[JeeberD]

But you know what, unless he IS a Thing, this really isn't going to answer any questions about him. Because he might get converted tonight after the test. And the people he's cleared could potentially have been converted. And so on and so forth.

Damn this game is frustrating.

[st.cronin]

But you know what, unless he IS a Thing, this really isn't going to answer any questions about him.

Of course it will. It will mean everything he has said so far is true. For example, it will mean that Blade was not a Thing (until, possibly, tonight). That is incredibly valuable information.

[JeeberD]

But Blade could have been convertd last night, or the night before. So it clears Blade for the first half of the game, but we still won't be able to know if he's been on the up and up for the past few days.

[tanglewood]

Even though it is only antoher 40 mins or so, I am too tired to stay up for the result of the vote so am now going off to bed. Unless some truly spectacular voting acrobatics occur it won't matter anyway.

[st.cronin]

But Blade could have been convertd last night, or the night before. So it clears Blade for the first half of the game, but we still won't be able to know if he's been on the up and up for the past few days.

Some of us have suspected Blade for a lot longer than that. Of course there will still be stuff we don't know, but it will be VASTLY more information than if we test, say, Barkeep, and he comes up human. That would really tell us nothing at all.

[Blade6119]

CW, if your on the level, you know who i want you to scan tonight...granted, if you are clean i dont expect you to make it through tonight that way since if your good our bodyguard is bad

[Blade6119]

Some of us have suspected Blade for a lot longer than that. Of course there will still be stuff we don't know, but it will be VASTLY more information than if we test, say, Barkeep, and he comes up human. That would really tell us nothing at all.
Testing CW tells us barkeep was clean last night...nothing more...i acutally figure he is clean now and wont be after tonight...but the group has decided...hoops hoops hoops

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm not painting an either/or scenario with Coffee Warlord today. I know that there have been two opportunities to turn him since his reveal. And since I have only guarded him on Night 4 there have been four total opportunities to convert him.

If CW is clean, we are basically screwed as I'll just about have to watch CW and they will convert their 6th member. They will almost completely be able to move the vote on their own.

[hoopsguy]

And if CW is clean we have a lot more info than just Barkeep was clean last night.

We know you were clean for four days, with only one night where you could have been converted.

We know Cronin was clean for three days, with only two nights where he could have been converted.

Etc, etc. That is the same kind of thing I was referring to yesterday when I said that I was playing the percentages.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm not painting an either/or scenario with Coffee Warlord today. I know that there have been two opportunities to turn him since his reveal. And since I have only guarded him on Night 4 there have been four total opportunities to convert him.

If CW is clean, we are basically screwed as I'll just about have to watch CW and they will convert their 6th member. They will almost completely be able to move the vote on their own.
Im just saying 2 days in a row you have steered the votes onto someone else. Im starting to think 3 original things, and convert every other night. Either way, you are a thing to me...its not either or, its like good/bad for coffee and bad hoops...

[Blade6119]

And if CW is clean we have a lot more info than just Barkeep was clean last night.

We know you were clean for four days, with only one night where you could have been converted.

We know Cronin was clean for three days, with only two nights where he could have been converted.

Etc, etc. That is the same kind of thing I was referring to yesterday when I said that I was playing the percentages.
Fatal mistake...you shoot for a thing, not to clear others. In a game like this clearing cronin and i for past days means nothing...but today has already been decided, so it doesnt matter..

[st.cronin]

I expect CW to burn. I don't see how the Things could possibly have stayed away from him. As I said before, to them it's a pawn for pawn exchange which gets them a better board.

[Blade6119]

I expect CW to burn. I don't see how the Things could possibly have stayed away from him. As I said before, to them it's a pawn for pawn exchange which gets them a better board.
Just like you were sure on day 2 barkeep was a thing, and on 3/4 you were sure dubb and i were things...im not one to speak, but we both cant be sure

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm putting my vote where I think it will net a Thing. Not where I think we get the most information. Period, end of story.

But to suggest that the information learned from a vote is worthless is just missing the point. I don't think Cronin and I are the only two who think this way.

[st.cronin]

Just like you were sure on day 2 barkeep was a thing, and on 3/4 you were sure dubb and i were things...im not one to speak, but we both cant be sure

It's possible Schmidty is just fucking with us all and there are no more things.

[hoopsguy]

And the deadline is in.

CW, you have any comments before Schmidty posts?

[Coffee Warlord]

I like chicken, I like liver, meow mix meow mix please deliver?

[st.cronin]

I like chicken, I like liver, meow mix meow mix please deliver?

How about some fresh YAK.

[Coffee Warlord]

How about some fresh YAK.

FRESH yak!???!!?

[st.cronin]

FRESH yak!???!!?

bloody fresh

[Coffee Warlord]

Dum dum dum dum de dum dum de dum.....

[Schmidty]

By now, the monotony of gathering has overcome the intensity. You haven't found another creature in almost a week. Doubts that any of Them even remain has crept into the minds of many of you.

Yet again, the vast majority of you have half-heartedly directed your attention on Coffee Warlord. The decision is made, and all eyes turn toward him and the now familiar test.

Coffee Warlord doesn't move, he simply stares straight ahead. WVUFAN, who everyone forgot even existed, steps forward with the flame-thrower and says loudly, "Stop wasting our ti......"

Before WVUFAN can even finish his sentence, A horrifically barbed tongue shoots out from Coffee Warlord's mouth and just misses WVU's head. WVU immediately fires the thrower and a burst of flames envelopes Coffee Warlord. He writhes around, and advances a few feet before he collapses, never to rise again.

You have killed a Thing.

The day is extended, and the second votes will be due by tomorrow at 9 PM EST.

[mckerney]

w00t

[st.cronin]

/dance

[st.cronin]

VOTE BLADE

hopefully we can maintain human unity fellows

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Barkeep


CW just cleared him.


-Anx

[Coffee Warlord]

Wheeeee.

Have fun folks.

[st.cronin]

Vote Barkeep


CW just cleared him.


-Anx

He also cleared Blade, and Barkeep was with me early in the push on CW. I think we need to look at Blade or Jeeber next. Those were the two who resisted the idea of a bandwagon.

[JeeberD]

Well holy shit! Good work, cronin!

Now did CW clear Barkeep because he knew he was likely going to be tested and wanted us to waste a vote on a human or was he really trying to cover the tracks of a Thing?

I really doubt that everyone CW "cleared" is guilty...

[st.cronin]

Shoot, he also cleared me.

Let me see how this goes:

UNVOTE BLADE

VOTE JEEBER

[JeeberD]

Why are you guys voting before the nighttime action?

Voting for me a third time ain't gonna do jack shit unless I get converted tonight.

[JeeberD]

Dola-

Duh...double test. I'm a moron... :o

[Abe Sargent]

Barkeep also looks guilty in other ways, like last nights vote when the vote switched from him to me in teh last hour, for example.


-Anxiety

[mckerney]

Barkeep also looks guilty in other ways, like last nights vote when the vote switched from him to me in teh last hour, for example.


-Anxiety

I suspected him yesterday, coming into today, and still do.

Vote Barkeep

[JeeberD]

Fine, I'll go for the obvious choice...

Vote Barkeep