Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME)

[path12]

Isn't 12 feet a pretty decent pole vault?

That's quite a pole.

[Lathum]

I see this discussion going downhill fast

[Barkeep49]

I would be very upset if they were deleated. My guess is BK with his cool mod powers moved them and will bring them bak at the end.
This is correct. I'd originally planned to delete them, but then found out that there was a bug in the board's software preventing me from undelete them, so I closed them. However, I then found a work around to that bug and so they're deleted until the game is over at which time I will resurrect them.

[ImTheCrew]

hey guys im sorry i thought the questions werent due till 10pm, i set and thought about them for a while too, sorry.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Do our answers need to be posted here or sent in a PM?

[Barkeep49]

PM'ed please.

[SnDvls]

BK -, what's the plan for the weekend?

[path12]

Sorry, just clicked the wrong thread.

[Barkeep49]

What is true and what is not was on full display today.

For Helsing we had the following lists (with the lie now in bold):

SnDvls:
I was in the marching band in college
I was president of my fraternity in college
I was a QB on my high school football team

Alan:
When I was 15, I worked for a ranch helping train horses
When in Highschool I received a scholarship to the University of Miami for music performance that I turned down.
Played football in highschool with Eric Zeier

Lathum:
I was a DJ while in college
I used to play drums in a rock band
I have 7 tattoos

Path:
1. I am twice divorced.
2. I was a pole vaulter in college.
3. I am a Business major.

Swaggs:
1. I have been shot, with a gun, in the stomach.
2. I have attended a ballgame in 14 different MLB parks.
3. I have been to the top of one of the World Trade Center towers.
Howard put in the following guess:

SnDvls: I was a QB on my high school football team

Alan: When in Highschool I received a scholarship to the University of Miami for music performance that I turned down

Lathum: I was a DJ while in college

Path: I am a Business major

Swaggs: I have attended a ballgame in 14 different MLB parks
They got 3 of them right for 3 points.

Then we had Howard's pack of whoppers:

Anxiety:
I have dated a Miss America contestant.
I have slept with a stripper
I have had an exclusive relationship with a girl who later went on to star in a Hollywood studio movie.

Grammaticus:
I am a Junior Olympics Champion
I was a High School Football Player
I have one dog

Jonathan:
1) I have written a novel
2) I am fluent in German
3) I shaved my head in mourning after the Steelers lost the AFC Championship in 1995

Pass (even from the dead):
I watch the Golden Girls in the morning while getting ready for work.
I get grossed out at the sight of strawberries.
There is a gay porn star with the same name as me
Howard submitted their guesses as:

Anxiety
I have had an exclusive relationship with a girl who later went on to star in a Hollywood studio movie.

Grammaticus:
I was a High School Football Player


Jonathan:
2) I am fluent in German


Pass (even from the dead):
I get grossed out at the sight of strawberries.
For a perfect 4 for 4. This gives them 5 points and yet another victory. Your list of 2 truths and a lie about this game will be posted in your thread shortly.

As for the weekend: I was originally going to do a reward challenge, but it seems like people could use a break. So we'll set noon tomorrow as a deadline for night actions, do a tribal council, which will end at 10 PM on Sunday, and otherwise take the weekend off. The game should end by next Friday, as long as we keep with this pace.

[path12]

Path,

How high did you vault?

Best was 15'7". Pretty middle of the road.

[Grammaticus]

Best was 15'7". Pretty middle of the road.

Hey, that is pretty decent. 16"1" won our state meet (IL) back in the day.

[Alan T]

Howard, who did you all end up voting off yesterday?

[ImTheCrew]

JE, is gone

[Alan T]

JE, is gone

Any idea what the vote count was, and who else received votes? Any idea who voted for who?

[ImTheCrew]

JE-2
Gram-1

[ImTheCrew]

anxiety,kwhit and daddytorogo havent really been around

[Alan T]

anxiety,kwhit and daddytorogo havent really been around


Well daddytorgo isn't going to be around since he was going to replace Pass who is dead. :)

I assume Jonathan voted for Gramm and you and Gramm voted for Jonathan then with Kwhit and Anxiety not voting?

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah I didn;t vote - wasn;t around when I thought I was going to be. Totally woulda voted for JE obviously. Glad I wasn't needed.

[Lathum]

anyone know the weekend schedule?

[Alan T]

anyone know the weekend schedule?


Yeah barkeep posted it at the end of yesterday's challenge results. He says this weekend was going to be a reward challenge, but now its just going to be Howard's tribal challenge with us picking up next week.

[Lathum]

do you mean tribal council?

[Alan T]

do you mean tribal council?

That too!

[ImTheCrew]

Well daddytorgo isn't going to be around since he was going to replace Pass who is dead. :)

I assume Jonathan voted for Gramm and you and Gramm voted for Jonathan then with Kwhit and Anxiety not voting?

when did pass die?

[Grammaticus]

Helsing,

What did you guys get for a reward?

[Alan T]

Helsing,

What did you guys get for a reward?

Some true/false info about the wolves in this game.

[ImTheCrew]

Alan T, what info did you get, care to share?

[Alan T]

Alan T, what info did you get, care to share?

I think I probably should wait on the rest of the team to decide that rather than give out that info on my own, as any attempt to explain it would probably give out other people's opinions that are not my own to give out. I don't have any problem telling what I personally think about various people at any point.. however I don't know if I have a great feel on too many people right now. I think personally I'm mainly curious to see who the wolves choose for a night kill.

[Barkeep49]

As their tribal council begins, without JE who was voted off last night. It seems like there will be one fewer person for this next tribal council as well. Poor Grammaticus is no more. The wolves got to him last night.

[Lathum]

So obviously the helsing wolf is Alan, Sndvls, or me. Since I know I am not the wolf I am trying to find clues about which one it could be. If a member of Howard is willing to work with me I think some information about the discussion for which tribe members to select when you had the choice of two ( it ended up being Alan and Cronin) could be helpfull. I know JE sent in the order but was there anything about that day that could be helpfull I would apreciate it.

[Abe Sargent]

To the wolves: please stop killing my tribe-mates. That is all. :(

[Grammaticus]

Aghhhhhhhhhh..........Splat

[Abe Sargent]

So obviously the helsing wolf is Alan, Sndvls, or me. Since I know I am not the wolf I am trying to find clues about which one it could be. If a member of Howard is willing to work with me I think some information about the discussion for which tribe members to select when you had the choice of two ( it ended up being Alan and Cronin) could be helpfull. I know JE sent in the order but was there anything about that day that could be helpfull I would apreciate it.

We are down to eight players, and I think we need to root out the wolf(es) fast before we all die and that's the end of the game. I'm totally up for helping you out. Let's not hold back any information. What information are you specifically looking for?

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

We are down to eight players, and I think we need to root out the wolf(es) fast before we all die and that's the end of the game. I'm totally up for helping you out. Let's not hold back any information. What information are you specifically looking for?

-Anxiety

basicly who ( if anyone) wanted alan on the chopping block, if anyone mentioned sndvls, any info mentioned about one of the 3 of us since we can narrow down for sure one of us is a wolf

[Abe Sargent]

Hold on, let me check.

[Abe Sargent]

Here's the info I could find.

ITC comes out and says he thinks cronin is thewolf, we shoudl nominate him.

Passa says it should be path and Swaggs.

JE says path might be the wolf from his tribe

JE agrees with cronin being a converted wofl and should be tossed out there

Gramm agrees with Passa

Gramm then later says path and Mr W would be good choices

Passa mentions Alan T knows something he shouldn't.

JE Echoes this.

Gramm says path and Mr W as his nominees again

Passa mentions we should vote Alan T and cronin. with Swaggs as a third option if we can;t agree on one of those two.

AE agrees that Alan T and cronin are fine by him.

JE agrees with Alan T and cronin

then AE exploded, and if anybody else talked about it during the Great Winter Werewolf Meltdown '07, I'm not going back and rereading all of those posts.


Hope that helps.

[Abe Sargent]

Took me 20 minutes to reread that day's posts, so I hope there's something here I missed.


FWIW - Note that no one ever suggests Lathum.

[Abe Sargent]

Barkeep - can we get an updated pag eone with people who have left and how?

[Lathum]

Anxiety, thats great info. Thanks. That also clears you a bit in my mind. I think a wolf would have said something like " let me ask my tribe"

I wonder if it is possible AlanT and Path are wolves playing us?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm eating dinner right now and have a few minuttes and I check back in and nothing's happeneing. I hope somebody used my info. Barring someone else talking on subject, I'll go ahread and chime in with a few more thoughts while I have a few seconds.

1). Why no move towards Lathum? Virtually every single player on teh opposibng team was named, so why not Lathum? Has he been that far above reproach this game that no one would even consider voting him as a bad guy.? Or has he just been under the radar? And what does that signify?

2). It seems a lot more people on my team were behidn the AlanT-cronin duality than it appeared based on conversations here and in our thread after the vote. It's easy to see how multiple players are looking in that direction at the time.

3). path gets mentioned a lot, but I think that is a factor of our team trusting JE at the time more than anything else (ITC said he thought JE was clean, I remember others mentioning it as well including either Passa or Gramm).


I'll even do one better than what was asked of me. I'll publish my own trust list:

Completely Trusted: Noone
Trusted: KWhit
Solid: ITC
Neutral: Everybody else (I've never been on a team with any of them)
Lesser: Swaggs

Why trust KWhit? I've been on a team with him since the very beginning and I have never gotten a wolf vibe from him, so if he is a wolf, then he has, in my opinion, pulled off one of the greatest wolf games so far in 07. I just don't see it.

Because I trust KWhit, I cannot trust Swaggs (the one of us is a wolf comment). However, desptie that said, I;ve not seen that much wolfey behavior from Swaggs, and if he were on my team, I;d watch and wait, and vote if I had to, but would also be happy to work with him, not slander him, and so forth.

ITC seems totally above board so far, however, I admit that if I were a wolf, I would have converted one of the ozzites (assuming they have that poweR) and I woould have made ITC my convert - he's ne and can play that newbiw cards when he screws up and makes a wolf mistake. Plus, I remember how Tyrith and I won as bad guys way back in his first game ever and my second game ever. New guys can win, and they can avoid notice - which makes them a good convert target. He;s teh only Oz left, so he's in a perfect position to be a wolf.

We beleive we killed the Oz convert, if any. SO he can play wwith relative impunity if he's a convert. Plus, he can now tell us ANYTHING he wants and claim that it was said back in the Oz thread, and no one can dispute him. He can make up roles for others, himself, additional info - anything he wants and we can;t stop him. If I were a wolf with the ability to convert, I'd convrt ITC now, if I hadn;t already.

That makes me leary of ITC< but I haven;t seen anything yet, so he's still sorta trusted. You can;t dangle a peach in front of a starving man for long without expecting it to be eaten, after all. ITC is a peach, and with our recent votes, the wolves may very well be on the run.


Hope this helps

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, thats great info. Thanks. That also clears you a bit in my mind. I think a wolf would have said something like " let me ask my tribe"

I wonder if it is possible AlanT and Path are wolves playing us?

NP buddy. Personally, I think that you are more playign a great game than playign a good UTR wolf game. Of course, I don;t see your thread. :)


I think that Lupus players were save from night kills until today. Up until one, everyone of us had a "One in Three" mark in teh back of our heads, and thus if a wolf killed one of us durign teh night, the other wolf's mark jumps to "One in Two." Therefore, I think the smart play was to lay off Lupus as night kills.

However, all of that changed when your tribe went down to probably one in three = wolf. Now there are two tribes at that number. Lupus is no longer safe from night kills.

Honestly, I have no idea who I'd vote for our council. I've not seen wolf in either, to be frank. ITC makes the great conversion target - but to vote for him I have to be convinced that it is likey the wolves can convert and likely that we haven't already killed the convert. Althoguh they could probably do it again. Or Swaggs could jump up in my mind and KWhit fall as a result if I saw some different things from him in here that I don;t see in your thread. It;s just that if KWhit is a wolf, he totally fooled me, you know?

So that's where I am right now

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and one more thing I totally forgot. I beleive JE was a wolf. If so, that would NOT completely clear path to my mind, because I admit the possibility of conversion, but I think path or JE would make a poor conversion target (depending on which was the original, because they origianlly had one in their tribe), whereas the wolves seem to be playing fairly well so far to my mind. Still, I am fairly confidant in JE's wolf-ness for what its worth, and he was former ally in my Howard tribe, so I had to leave him behind.

[Abe Sargent]

I think I probably should wait on the rest of the team to decide that rather than give out that info on my own, as any attempt to explain it would probably give out other people's opinions that are not my own to give out. I don't have any problem telling what I personally think about various people at any point.. however I don't know if I have a great feel on too many people right now. I think personally I'm mainly curious to see who the wolves choose for a night kill.

Even if your tribe is agaisnt revealing everythingt AlanT, I;d still like to see what you think. Let us know! :)

[Lathum]

Anxiety, I hope my tribe doesn't mind me doing this but I will tell you we are 90% sure there has been a conversion based on info from BK.

[Alan T]

Even if your tribe is agaisnt revealing everythingt AlanT, I;d still like to see what you think. Let us know! :)

You might not want to know what I think fully as right now out of people I trust the least I think you are a likely wolf. I just got through posting my thoughts in my tribe forum but might as well post them here too. I'll add a few more things here as well I suppose to go back on my thoughts for a little bit longer.

Basically I just got to drive about an hour in the car so had alot of time to think about things.. my thoughts on people:

First: Helsing tribe. I have a 50% chance of guessing the wolf in my tribe. My gut instinct is the wolf is Lathum based mostly on how he has reacted to stuff. Sndvls has been pretty solid the entire game and I don't really remember him directing or steering anything in a way that seems off to me. I mostly suspect Lathum right now because of how he has played the last day and a half and usually in cases like this though my gut feeling is entirely wrong. Up until this morning for pretty much the entire game I had honestly felt our wolf was actually Grammaticus. Even when I was upset with Passacaglia, I don't know that I really honestly felt he was a wolf, I think I just felt he was duped. I felt Grammaticus was our wolf. I was wrong there as we can see.


Lupus Tribe: We know that wolf is still alive, we have a 33% chance in guessing who it is. I honestly feel the best about Kwhit. Remember back a few days Kwhit voluntarily handed over his immunity idol to Oz for the seer. My understanding is he nor no one else knew if his was the fake wolf immunity or the real one. I have a hard time beliving Kwhit as a wolf would have handed it over to protect the seer in that case. It ended up being the fake idol, but he had no way of knowing that. THat leaves me Swaggs and Anxiety in a pseudo-50/50 chance here too (if I am right about kwhit). I felt pretty strongly that Swaggs was a wolf through the Cronin-me setup vote that happened. He chose not to say who he was voting for that day (when others did), and it felt to me like he was a part of the wolf maneuver to set me up for a lynch that day which backfired on them. I just got through saying in my helsing tribe thread that I felt he was likely good and Anxiety bad.. but I keep going back and forth on that. I really am not sure on the lupus wolf other than I would be shocked if it was Kwhit.

Howard tribe: Part of me strongly wants to believe that Jonathan was the wolf for his maneuvering the vote between cronin and me. I don't see any reason why that vote shouldn't have come in path-swaggs. I think when the wolves killed off Mr.W that night they expected me to get lynched due to no longer having the helsing majority in our own tribe, and one of the helsing members being a wolf. Path spoiled those plans by saying he did not plan on voting for me, that ended up sending Cronin to the lynch. Because of that I have a hard time believing Path is a wolf, but I guess I've seen stranger things.

Convert: I think because of the bodyguard being offed as the first wolf kill, the convert had to have been in Oz tribe. I think it was a possibility of Cronin or Ardent being that convert, but with Cronin's name sent in the vote with mine the other day I have felt it unlikely that he was the convert. Ardent may have been it, but I don't understand if he was a wolf, why he would have had a meltdown like that. Earlier in the game I felt it unlikely that ITC was the convert, but now I think its pretty possible that would be the case.

My personal objective I think right now is probably going to be to push for Swaggs/Anxiety lynches and seeing who votes where and pray we get another reward challenge that gives more info about the wolves.

[ImTheCrew]

if there was a convert he must be dead.

[Lathum]

if there was a convert he must be dead.

why?

[ImTheCrew]

if there was a convert from Oz he must be dead(because im not a wolf)

[Lathum]

if there was a convert from Oz he must be dead(because im not a wolf)

oh, ok then I believe you...

[Barkeep49]

I have to leave early tomorrow morning so deadline for night actions is very firm and is moved up an hour.

[Lathum]

so anyone wanna tell us who was voted out?

[Abe Sargent]

so anyone wanna tell us who was voted out?

ITC and KWhit voted for each other and I had to pick a side. Since KWhit bounced his idol over to Oz early in the game, and due to the deliberations I mentioned here on Saturday, I voted ITC as well.

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

ITC and KWhit voted for each other and I had to pick a side. Since KWhit bounced his idol over to Oz early in the game, and due to the deliberations I mentioned here on Saturday, I voted ITC as well.

-Anxiety

I think that was the correct move

[Barkeep49]

C’mon in Survivors. I see everyone made it through the night. That’s a good thing.

It’s a big day today. Drop your buffs. You are now a single tribe with a new tribal buff of black. All discussion will now be in this thread. There are no more tribes, Survivor is an individual game now. The end is near, but then again so are the wolves.

Today’s challenge asks how well you know your fellow Survivors. Below is a list of questions about your fellow remaining Survivors and 1 tiebreaker question about your moderator. Your job is simple: answer as many of these questions as you can. Here are the questions (and please realize some could have more than 1 answer).

1. Which Survivor has never seen the television show?
2. Which Survivor named a meat topping that is not Pepperoni as their favorite pizza topping?
3. What is the most popular TV show?
4. Whose favorite game is EU3?
5. Which Survivor thought that a game other than FOF2k7 was their favorite (if a player listed 2k7 as a co-favorite they do not count for this question)?
6. Which Survivor listed a baseball team as their favorite Sports team (including those who listed more than 1 favorite team)?
7. Which Survivor named a Diet drink as their favorite?

Tiebreaker:
Which TV show, Season of Survivor, and FOF game is the favorite of a Survivor and also Barkeep?

The winning Survivor will get to choose either a list or an item. If we have exactly 2 winners, even after the tiebreaker, than each winner will get 1 item. If we have more than 2 winners, those winners will not receive any items. All winners of the challenge are also safe at tribal council

All answers should be PM’ed to me by 10 PM tonight. Make sure to include which item is your first choice in the PM. Good luck Survivors.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, a couple of questions.

Are the answers to these questions only among the remaining survivors, or all of the people who started?

Also is there a list of items we can choose from?

[Lathum]

Am I the only one who forgot some of my own answers...

[Raiders Army]

Nice. We knew this challenge would come into play.

[Lathum]

Nice. We knew this challenge would come into play.

I know, I knew I should have cut and pasted the results into a word document.

[Lathum]

I kid, I kid

[Abe Sargent]

Am I the only one who forgot some of my own answers...

No youy are not :(

[path12]

So no night kill? Conversion? I've been trying to figure out how many wolves we have left anyway........and yes, I did forget some of my own damn answers too.

[Lathum]

So no night kill? Conversion? I've been trying to figure out how many wolves we have left anyway........and yes, I did forget some of my own damn answers too.

I think we were basicly "off" for the weekend so no one had any activities

[path12]

So it was just tribal council and not a night phase? That doesn't make sense, does it?

[st.cronin]

Nice. We knew this challenge would come into play.

yep

[path12]

Barkeep, one clarification? For question 5 that refers to the favorite version on FOF only, correct?

[ImTheCrew]

Thanks for the game barkeep it was tons of fun, to bad i was only a villiger the whole time

[Lathum]

dude, you really shouldn't make posts like that until the game is over

[hoopsguy]

dude, you really shouldn't make posts like that until the game is over

Just to clarify - the idea that the role is not revealed on death is not how most WW games work. In most games, what ITC said is not a big deal at all. But with that mechanic in place for this game it is kind of bad form to say something about your role after being voted out.

[Abe Sargent]

I have to leave early tomorrow morning so deadline for night actions is very firm and is moved up an hour.

At first, I thought the lack of a night action was due to the fact that yesterday was not a true day with a competition and everything, just a tribal council.

So then, why would BK publish this? If no NAs were to be processed, then this would be intentional misleading on the part of a GM, and I don't like that one bit if true.

Ont eh other hand, how many wolves do we have left? Most likely, two. They HAVE to night vote last night (Night vcote kill - down to six, day vote, avoid lynch, down to five, night kill down to four 2-2 odds usually gives the wolves the win. So if they night kill last night, then they are one lynch survival away from victory).


Here's my thought. The other team was immunity last night, so only KWhit and I were vulnerable. What if wolves could only kill people in their own tribe? If ITC really werea wolf, despite his earlier protestaions today in the thread to the contrary, then KWhit and I would be essentailly unable to be night killed. (Or, another similar thought is that any wolf under immunity cannot kill either. So the other teams; wolves could not come and get us once we cleansed our team of the wolf taint when they get immunity.)


In other words, I'm thinking that they couldn't kill, despite their desire to. And I have two legitimate reasons why the wolves could not kill.

Here's why I think there had to be some limitations on the wolves. It apepars they can convert and there were at least four of them beleiving RA. They could start killing uuntil the groups joined appears to tbe the case, but what else? What abilities do we have to fight the wolves other than one seer? Anybody seen a duke or a witness or a bodyguard or any traditional anti-wolf villager roles? With this paucity of powers at our command, the wolves have to have some balancing as well. Being only able to kill certain groups or when you are not under immunity makes perfect sense under BK's system and would be a legit weakness.

Those are my thoughts, anyways.

[MollyMurphy]

Well we know for sure one wolf is in the old helsing

[MollyMurphy]

dola-

THE ABOVE POST IS FROM LATHUM

[path12]

We also know there is one still in the old Lupus, right? Anxiety might be onto something if it was Swaggs.....

[Abe Sargent]

Well we know for sure one wolf is in the old helsing

Right - Old Helsign and Old Lupus are the two wolves. Every death in old Helsing has been a night kill according to the occasionally updated info on the first page. That emans the wolf still ahs to be there. Ditto Lupus.

Alright - I'm off to take a nap, be back later.

[Raiders Army]

Just to clarify - the idea that the role is not revealed on death is not how most WW games work. In most games, what ITC said is not a big deal at all. But with that mechanic in place for this game it is kind of bad form to say something about your role after being voted out.

I tried looking, but I could've sworn somewhere that when we're voted out we get our final words like in Survivor. I know I posted a message with my final words after I was voted out. Although you're "out of the game" it's still up to everyone else whether they believe your final words.

[SnDvls]

hey all I'm back from up north and have good internet access.

[Barkeep49]

Quick answers:
1. Answers are all ONLY from remaining Survivors
2. Players were asked to name their favorite "Game in the FOF Series"
3. No answers to choose from
4. The tie breaker is actually three separate questions. So don't name a player name a TV show, Survivor season, and FOF game.

I should be home shortly before lynch. I apologize for my nonavailability today.

[Lathum]

ugh BK, I need to resubmit

[Abe Sargent]

Anybody mind telling us what BK said in your thread with the lie and truths victory info sionce KWhit and I don't know?

[ImTheCrew]

Just to clarify - the idea that the role is not revealed on death is not how most WW games work. In most games, what ITC said is not a big deal at all. But with that mechanic in place for this game it is kind of bad form to say something about your role after being voted out.

wolves can lie you know

[Jonathan Ezarik]

wolves can lie you know

But can they drive?

Sorry to interrupt the game.

[hoopsguy]

wolves can lie you know

Absolutely. And I do not have any inside knowledge as to who plays what roles in the game. The comment was solely intended to help provide some perspective to a new player (namely, you). If it wasn't needed, then pardon the intrusion.

[Barkeep49]

Well Survivors it seems clear that some of you know each other better than others. Let's look at what the correct reponses were and what each of the Survivors said.


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</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Meat Topping<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Sndvls, Swaggs, Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> KWhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> TV Show<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> The Office<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Heroes<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lost<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Office<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Office<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Office<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lost<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lost<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> EU3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Non-F2k7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety, Swaggs, Lathum, SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Latum, Alan T<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Lathum, Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Diet Drink<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path, Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path, Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<o:p> </o:p>
That means the scoring breaks down as follows:

<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 165pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="220"> Category<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 72.75pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="97"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Never seen<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Meat Topping<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> TV Show<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> EU3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Non-F2k7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Diet Drink<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 6<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<o:p> </o:p>
So no tiebreaker was needed. Congrats to Alan on the victory. You will receive shortly your item or your list. Tribal Council has now started. There will be no night actions tonight. New challenge goes up tomorrow, so it is possible for someone to “win” immunity and be voted off at the same time. Hopefully that fate will not befall you.

[SnDvls]

congrats Alan

you know us all well

[Lathum]

when do we vote for tribal council?

[hoopsguy]

Welcome to your final tribe. All of you have outlasted fifteen competitors to get to this point. You should be proud of your accomplishments.

However, this is a different flavor of Survivor than we traditionally run. The competition is looking to devour, digest, and defacate you - I think that pile over there is Grammaticus. And the audience has responded with record numbers.

As a reward, we are going to bring the 1st place prize up by a factor of five. Whatever you were initially promised, look for five times the reward if you are able to emerge as the final survivor.


Now that the tribes have been merged, you each have a chance to face your accusors. What criteria are you bringing to the vote today? Do you have a strategy to identify the feral among you? Random number generator? Initial tribe information? Most likely to be converted? Someone who led a charge against you earlier in the game? Lets hear it ...

[Barkeep49]

Any time between now and tomorrow at 10.

[Lathum]

10 PM?

[Alan T]

Just so I make sure I understand.. I'm immune from votes, but still can vote for someone myself?

I've received my item/list and I guess tonight/tommorrow my sights will be set just like I have been saying for the past week. I feel really strongly about Kwhit being good for the reasons I previously detailed. I primarily am targeting Anxiety/Swaggs I think.. and really keep going back and forth between the two.

Lathum and Sndvls, what do you two think about swaggs from his time with us the past week vs Anxiety and his points he mentioned earlier?

[Lathum]

I'll have to look.

[path12]

Welcome to your final tribe. All of you have outlasted fifteen competitors to get to this point. You should be proud of your accomplishments.

However, this is a different flavor of Survivor than we traditionally run. The competition is looking to devour, digest, and defacate you - I think that pile over there is Grammaticus. And the audience has responded with record numbers.

As a reward, we are going to bring the 1st place prize up by a factor of five. Whatever you were initially promised, look for five times the reward if you are able to emerge as the final survivor.


Now that the tribes have been merged, you each have a chance to face your accusors. What criteria are you bringing to the vote today? Do you have a strategy to identify the feral among you? Random number generator? Initial tribe information? Most likely to be converted? Someone who led a charge against you earlier in the game? Lets hear it ...

The only thing I believe for sure is that there is a wolf in Lupus and a wolf in Helsing. Now, trying to figure out who they are is the tough part -- especially now that the old threads are unavailable to look through. I think that makes it a lot harder of a task.

[Barkeep49]

Yes 10 PM.

[Barkeep49]

Just so I make sure I understand.. I'm immune from votes, but still can vote for someone myself?

I've received my item/list and I guess tonight/tommorrow my sights will be set just like I have been saying for the past week. I feel really strongly about Kwhit being good for the reasons I previously detailed. I primarily am targeting Anxiety/Swaggs I think.. and really keep going back and forth between the two.

Lathum and Sndvls, what do you two think about swaggs from his time with us the past week vs Anxiety and his points he mentioned earlier?
Correct.

And all votes should be PM'ed as has been typical.

[Alan T]

Another topic for folks. What does everyone feel about being open with who they will be voting for and why? I have no problems in giving my reasons for who I will vote for once I figure it out. Of course we'll PM them in like we are supposed to, but the discussion and open-ness I think will be helpful for the village.

[Swaggs]

I think there may have been a mistake in the totals.

I am pretty sure that I put Diet Sunkist as my favorite drink.

[Abe Sargent]

Out of curiousity, BK, what were the ones in common with you?

[Barkeep49]

Swaggs is correct that he put down Diet Sunkist and should have received a point. However Alan would still win with the tiebreaker.

My answers were:
Survivor All-Stars
The Office
2k7

[Swaggs]

I won't be around to play much tomorrow, after the early afternoon.

I will be voting for either KWhit or Anxiety.

1.) We know that one of the three remaining Lupus members (Anxiety, KWhit, Swaggs) is a wolf. I know I am not a wolf, so that leaves Anxiety or KWhit. That leaves me a 50/50 (or better if there was a conversion) shot at getting a wolf.

2.) I believe that wolves were only able to attack the tribes that lost challenges, as that was what happend the past three challenges/night actions. Note that there was no night kill in the Howard Tribe last night action, which leads me to believe that there could have been a conversion between Anxiety and KWhit.

3.) There is also a wolf among Alan T, Lathum or SnDvls, as our clue from the last reward challenge indicated that there was a wolf among the original players remaining from the Helsing Tribe.

4.) KWhit would have been a good conversion candidate, as it was well known/documented that he gave away his idol.

5.) Right now, I am leaning towards believing that myself, path, and two of the original Helsings are still good. I am giving path the benefit of doubt, as I think if he was a wolf, the wolves would already likely outnumber us, based on the facts we have learned.

6.) If there are three wolves right now, we lose if we choose incorrectly at tribal council. Hopefully path and at least two of original Helsings will join me in voting for one of KWhit or Anxiety.

[Swaggs]

Dola...

I will add that I will almost certainly be voting for Anxiety because he worked his butt off on the wikipedia challenge, when KWhit and I were pretty lethargic and pretty much willing to let it go without an entry.

[Alan T]

4.) KWhit would have been a good conversion candidate, as it was well known/documented that he gave away his idol.

Perhaps that could be true, but we seriously need to stop hunting around for people who "could be the converted wolf" That has hurt us more than anything else this game so far, especially the way the Howard tribe handled their tribal councils. People who throw around "so and so might be converted" as an arguement to vote for them when we "know" that there are at least two wolves alive and which 6 people those 2 wolves are in are doing nothing but hurting the good guys.

It worries me some that you are doing that now as it makes me feel a bit worse about you than I did already. People need to focus on removing the wolves then worrying about the conversions (that may or may not still be around)


6.) If there are three wolves right now, we lose if we choose incorrectly at tribal council. Hopefully path and at least two of original Helsings will join me in voting for one of KWhit or Anxiety.


I already said I plan on voting either you or Anxiety. I'm really interested in hearing Lathum and Sndvls' opinions on both of you. I won't be voting Kwhit today.



Also, I do appreciate Swaggs at least coming out with who he is planning on voting for. We don't have to say today as its done via private PM, but I encourage everyone to do so and I will make sure to do so also once I decide on who I will be voting.

[Alan T]

mental note: next game vote off west coast people first so I have people to talk to in the mornings :(

[st.cronin]

hi Alan

[Alan T]

hi Alan

*whisper* I see dead people *whisper*

[Barkeep49]

Today's challenge will be another exercise in social psychology. I am going to list several words below. You must then submit 3 words that are associated with that word. So, for instance, if I said "Barry Bonds" you might say "Steroids, Giant, HRs". The goal is to match as many of your words as you can with your fellow Survivors. So if 3 people also said Steroids you'd get three points (meaning that each Survivor is going to get at least 21 points).

The words we have are:
FOFC
Front Office Football
werewolf
kill
challenge
idol
spring training

Besides individual immunity our winner will get the right to communicate with two other players, of his choice, via PM, from the announcing of the winners to the end of the next challenge.

Your lists of 3 words and the two players you'd like to PM with if you win are due by 10 PM. Good luck! Survivors ready? Go!

[Swaggs]

Perhaps that could be true, but we seriously need to stop hunting around for people who "could be the converted wolf" That has hurt us more than anything else this game so far, especially the way the Howard tribe handled their tribal councils. People who throw around "so and so might be converted" as an arguement to vote for them when we "know" that there are at least two wolves alive and which 6 people those 2 wolves are in are doing nothing but hurting the good guys.



Alan, this statement from you, while completely ignoring the other reasons why KWhit could be a wolf (one of the original Lupus, was not nightkilled when the pattern appears that the wolves could only kill from the tribe that lost a challenge) makes me trust Lathum and Lathum over you.

I had already suspected you were a likely wolf, from the way you worked so hard to avoid being lynched and the way that you came out clean in the vote vs st. cronin, but trying to manipulate what I wrote by focusing in on one point, when I made it in context with six other points, makes me feel like you are trying to push things away from Anxiety/KWhit and on to me.

It worries me some that you are doing that now as it makes me feel a bit worse about you than I did already. People need to focus on removing the wolves then worrying about the conversions (that may or may not still be around)

Again... out of context. I am giving you two candidates that each have a 50% chance of being a wolf and saying that I think the chance may be even greater than that, as there is a chance that the non-original wolf among them could have been converted. I then gave you good reasons why KWhit would have been a good candidate for the wolves to convert.

I already said I plan on voting either you or Anxiety. I'm really interested in hearing Lathum and Sndvls' opinions on both of you. I won't be voting Kwhit today.

What has KWhit done to get a free pass from you, that Anxiety and I have not? And what kind of information did your reward provide you?

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all. A few things of helpfulness!

AlanT: I was the first one in Lupus to begin to post my votes publicly back in the tribal thread. No sense being coy.

Swaggs: I fully expected you to vote for me whether or not you are a wolf - it makes sense either way. You'll note that the reverse is true of me as well.

AlanT: I'm befuddled that you want to go after Swaggs or me. From my perspective, Kwhit and Swaggs each have a 50/50 chance of being the wolf, but I believe after watching players that one of those is more likely to be en-wolfed than the other. On teh other haned, from your perspective, we are 1 outta three. Yet you have a 50/50 shot at Lathum or SnDvls, assuming you are not a wolf. So why push for a one outta three instead of a 50/50? The same logic that applies to Swaggs pushing for me should apply to you pushing for Lathum/SnDvls.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Today's challenge will be another exercise in social psychology. I am going to list several words below. You must then submit 3 words that are associated with that word. So, for instance, if I said "Barry Bonds" you might say "Steroids, Giant, HRs". The goal is to match as many of your words as you can with your fellow Survivors. So if 3 people also said Steroids you'd get three points (meaning that each Survivor is going to get at least 21 points).

The words we have are:


Besides individual immunity our winner will get the right to communicate with two other players, of his choice, via PM, from the announcing of the winners to the end of the next challenge.

Your lists of 3 words and the two players you'd like to PM with if you win are due by 10 PM. Good luck! Survivors ready? Go!



Will it be publicly known who you can pm after you win? I really like this prize!


-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Alan, this statement from you, while completely ignoring the other reasons why KWhit could be a wolf (one of the original Lupus, was not nightkilled when the pattern appears that the wolves could only kill from the tribe that lost a challenge) makes me trust Lathum and Lathum over you.

You can trust Lathum if you want more than me. However I can't be voted today, so I figured this would be a good day to try to get my point across. So far this game no one has listened to my opinions and people chose to go and vote off Oz members or other random folks who were not our best path of success. In all of the happenings, I haven't been able to see alot of what Kwhit or Anxiety had done or posted in their personal tribal threads however what I have seen from Kwhit does not scream wolf to me at all.

I have no problem going through the motions of voting out all of Lupus members if thats what you want, however we have to start somewhere and of the three I think kwhit has seemed the least guilty. Could he have been converted? Sure he could have been. I've been very public for many days on my thoughts on who was converted but I think no one agrees with me on that either, however I'm being pretty consistant with my thinking.




I had already suspected you were a likely wolf, from the way you worked so hard to avoid being lynched and the way that you came out clean in the vote vs st. cronin, but trying to manipulate what I wrote by focusing in on one point, when I made it in context with six other points, makes me feel like you are trying to push things away from Anxiety/KWhit and on to me.


I don't see how you can say this exactly as I've been pretty clear for days that you would have been my first target in the Helsing tribe if we ever got to a vote. This isn't something I just came up with. I've mentioned it in this thread, I mentioned it there when asked. Did you think I was just saying that for my health? I have meant everything I've said this game. I'm in a position now where I'm not afraid so am going with my guts instead of watching everyone else vote off Oz members, or force us to vote off Oz members.


Again... out of context. I am giving you two candidates that each have a 50% chance of being a wolf and saying that I think the chance may be even greater than that, as there is a chance that the non-original wolf among them could have been converted. I then gave you good reasons why KWhit would have been a good candidate for the wolves to convert.

I think anything is a possibility for a conversion, however back 6-7 days ago it would have been a very gutsy play to choose 1 of the 3 lupus members whom everyone -SHOULD- have been going for to make them a conversion. From the get go I have said I would go after that lupus chance, and if not for the howard tribe doing all kinds of goofy things with their votes, we wouldn't even be in this situation. I highly doubt that more than 1 lupus member is a wolf, and right now I'm thinking its either you or Anxiety. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it on this one.


What has KWhit done to get a free pass from you, that Anxiety and I have not? And what kind of information did your reward provide you?

Once again, Kwhit willingly gave an idol over to Oz for the seer to have without knowing if its the fake idol or the real wolf protection. Then the wolves turn around and kill the seer right after. I find it pretty unlikely that occurs if Kwhit is the wolf. Perhaps he is the wolf and it was a great play by him to fool me, but I doubt it. So thats one thing he has done that you and Anxiety have not.

Also I don't plan on saying what my reward does for me as it could be useful later. Telling what it does completely removes its worth for the good guys and only helps the wolves. Pressing me on this only will make me more convinced that you are bad.


Morning all. A few things of helpfulness!

AlanT: I was the first one in Lupus to begin to post my votes publicly back in the tribal thread. No sense being coy.

Swaggs: I fully expected you to vote for me whether or not you are a wolf - it makes sense either way. You'll note that the reverse is true of me as well.

AlanT: I'm befuddled that you want to go after Swaggs or me. From my perspective, Kwhit and Swaggs each have a 50/50 chance of being the wolf, but I believe after watching players that one of those is more likely to be en-wolfed than the other. On teh other haned, from your perspective, we are 1 outta three. Yet you have a 50/50 shot at Lathum or SnDvls, assuming you are not a wolf. So why push for a one outta three instead of a 50/50? The same logic that applies to Swaggs pushing for me should apply to you pushing for Lathum/SnDvls.

-Anxiety

Sure I have a 50/50 guess on Lathum/Sndvls, but it would be entirely a guess as well. I also feel I have a 50/50 on you and Swaggs. If you have noticed, I asked Lathum and Sndvls their opinions on you and Swaggs to help me try to get a better read out of them and figure out who I think the more likely candidate is. So far Lathum posted very little, and Sndvls popped in and left without commenting at all. I've said for days that this is what move I would make once I finally had a tribal council that you all didn't try to frame the vote in. So why is it suprising that I am doing what I have said I would for over a week?

[Swaggs]

Morning all. A few things of helpfulness!

AlanT: I was the first one in Lupus to begin to post my votes publicly back in the tribal thread. No sense being coy.

Swaggs: I fully expected you to vote for me whether or not you are a wolf - it makes sense either way. You'll note that the reverse is true of me as well.

AlanT: I'm befuddled that you want to go after Swaggs or me. From my perspective, Kwhit and Swaggs each have a 50/50 chance of being the wolf, but I believe after watching players that one of those is more likely to be en-wolfed than the other. On teh other haned, from your perspective, we are 1 outta three. Yet you have a 50/50 shot at Lathum or SnDvls, assuming you are not a wolf. So why push for a one outta three instead of a 50/50? The same logic that applies to Swaggs pushing for me should apply to you pushing for Lathum/SnDvls.

-Anxiety

Anxiety, good points. I certainly expect you and KWhit to vote for me or the other former Lupus member.

Alan wanted us to all come out publically with who we voted for when he and st. cronin were on the block and has repeatedly brought it up. I don't think he intended that point for anyone on your team.

[Alan T]

Anxiety, good points. I certainly expect you and KWhit to vote for me or the other former Lupus member.

Alan wanted us to all come out publically with who we voted for when he and st. cronin were on the block and has repeatedly brought it up. I don't think he intended that point for anyone on your team.

Why wouldn't we want our thoughts public here? I did the same thing in Helsing tribe and am saying the same here. The only thing we have to go on is what people's voting patterns are. If those are hidden, then we don't even have that to go on. Unless you have something to hide.

[Swaggs]

Alan, if you were so intent on kicking me out of the game, why didn't you just coordinate Helsing to lose one of the challenges and vote for me? You were clearly the workhorse of the team, seemed to be sweating profusely when you were up for the vote (and cannot seem to get over the fact that I wouldn't tell you who I was voting for), and now you have a 50/50 shot to take out a wolf from the old Helsing team, and you are taking a stab in the dark against Lupus.

Is it because you think there is a chance that I have one of the remaining idols and have a chance being of being safe against a wolf attack? I think it is.

[Barkeep49]

Will it be publicly known who you can pm after you win? I really like this prize!


-Anxiety
Yes it will be publicly known. Also the communication only goes between the winner and each of the people he selects. The two people he selects may not PM with each, nor may they have a direct 3 way conversation.

[Alan T]

Alan, if you were so intent on kicking me out of the game, why didn't you just coordinate Helsing to lose one of the challenges and vote for me? You were clearly the workhorse of the team, seemed to be sweating profusely when you were up for the vote (and cannot seem to get over the fact that I wouldn't tell you who I was voting for), and now you have a 50/50 shot to take out a wolf from the old Helsing team, and you are taking a stab in the dark against Lupus.

Is it because you think there is a chance that I have one of the remaining idols and have a chance being of being safe against a wolf attack? I think it is.


Actually my assumption based on what you told us is that those two idols no longer are in the game. You led us to believe that Blade died with one.. not sure why you are changing the story now.

[Swaggs]

Why wouldn't we want our thoughts public here? I did the same thing in Helsing tribe and am saying the same here. The only thing we have to go on is what people's voting patterns are. If those are hidden, then we don't even have that to go on. Unless you have something to hide.

Here are my thoughts on that vote. Coming over as the only member from my former tribe, I wanted to survive through the two-tribe round, so I voted for st. cronin, because I knew our team had a better chance of winning challenge (re: keeping me alive and advancing) than it if we voted you off. Since, at the time, you seemed like a longshot to be a wolf and you were doing so much work, I wanted to keep you around so we would win challenges. However, I didn't want to make my vote public, as I didn't want to ruffle any feathers if I voted for the person who had remained.

[Alan T]

dola and in fact, I remember saying that part of me feels a bit better knowing you didn't have one as it helped me feel a bit safer about you. If you had held onto it instead of giving it to the seer would have been a big clue off for me that you were a wolf.

(Especially seeing as how the seer died the first chance you had)

[Swaggs]

Alan, here is my last bit on this and then I am done playing for the day because I have been on the chopping block since day 3 of this game, it is getting tiring going through the same crap every day and I really don't care if you guys want to vote me off:

I am not a wolf. If you do not want the wolves to win, do not vote for me, as you have a 0% chance of killing a wolf. If you lynch Anxiety or KWhit, you have a 50% (or better if there was a conversion).

If you are not a wolf, you should vote for one of your former Helsing teammates, as that will give you an absolute 50% chance of killing a wolf.

If you are a wolf, do whatever you like, because I think you guys are going to win after the lynch anyway.

I am voting for Anxiety, because I feel like he is the best bet, of my choices, to get a wolf. You have been, purportedly, playing the odds this entire game, yet you are considering going for a 1/3 over a 1/2 chance and that stinks of wolf to me, but I am not going to worry about it, since you are safe today.

Everyone else, please look at my posts 2596 and 2597 for my clear analysis, rather than Alan's picking and choosing through those points.

[Abe Sargent]

BK - Is AlanT immune from lynching, wolf attacks or both?


AlanT - I thought you were immune from wolf attacks, that's why BK said that it is possible someone to be both immune and still voted off.

Also, there is a difference between you think you have a fifty/fifty with me and Swaggs and you know you have a fifty/fifty with Lathum/SnDvls (assuming you are a villager). It's continuing to be interesting to me that you would work off an assumption to get to 50/50 as opposed to working a 50/50 where no guesses or assumptions are made.

To be fair, I think you are right about KWhit, but that's the key to the argument, right. I can only *think* you are right about KWhit just like you do. But, if you are a villager, you *know* it's either one or the other in your tribe.

All: Well, it should be an interesting day all around, shoudn't it?


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Alan, here is my last bit on this and then I am done playing for the day because I have been on the chopping block since day 3 of this game, it is getting tiring going through the same crap every day and I really don't care if you guys want to vote me off:

I am not a wolf. If you do not want the wolves to win, do not vote for me, as you have a 0% chance of killing a wolf. If you lynch Anxiety or KWhit, you have a 50% (or better if there was a conversion).

If you are not a wolf, you should vote for one of your former Helsing teammates, as that will give you an absolute 50% chance of killing a wolf.

If you are a wolf, do whatever you like, because I think you guys are going to win after the lynch anyway.

I am voting for Anxiety, because I feel like he is the best bet, of my choices, to get a wolf. You have been, purportedly, playing the odds this entire game, yet you are considering going for a 1/3 over a 1/2 chance and that stinks of wolf to me, but I am not going to worry about it, since you are safe today.

Everyone else, please look at my posts 2596 and 2597 for my clear analysis, rather than Alan's picking and choosing through those points.



Totally understand the vote, no hard feelings. And, of course, my early leaning is to vote you as well. It's possible that something could happen to change that, obviously, but for now, I'm pretty sure that's where my vote will go.


-Anxiety

[Alan T]

BK - Is AlanT immune from lynching, wolf attacks or both?


AlanT - I thought you were immune from wolf attacks, that's why BK said that it is possible someone to be both immune and still voted off.

Also, there is a difference between you think you have a fifty/fifty with me and Swaggs and you know you have a fifty/fifty with Lathum/SnDvls (assuming you are a villager). It's continuing to be interesting to me that you would work off an assumption to get to 50/50 as opposed to working a 50/50 where no guesses or assumptions are made.

To be fair, I think you are right about KWhit, but that's the key to the argument, right. I can only *think* you are right about KWhit just like you do. But, if you are a villager, you *know* it's either one or the other in your tribe.

All: Well, it should be an interesting day all around, shoudn't it?


-Anxiety


I believe BK is referring to the fact that someone today could win the challenge and still be voted off today as the immunity is for tommorrow.

And its perfectly fine with me if you want to think I'm a wolf. I don't care if everyone thinks that.. If that is the case, then it would make no sense for people to vote for anyone else in helsing since you can't vote for me.

That would leave people the options of either voting for path (when we don't know if the howard wolf is still even alive), or voting for one of the Lupus members. I'm not pushing any one person right now and have openly asked for other people's opinions. I also would be interested in hearing what path has to say about Anxiety and/or Swaggs.

Think I'm a wolf, don't think I'm a wolf I don't really care :) What I do care about is what people think about the lupus members today. Whether or not I disagree or agree with Swaggs at least he has given his thoughts which is more than you so far other than your brief attacks at me.

[Abe Sargent]

Think I'm a wolf, don't think I'm a wolf I don't really care :) What I do care about is what people think about the lupus members today. Whether or not I disagree or agree with Swaggs at least he has given his thoughts which is more than you so far other than your brief attacks at me.

I think you need to read this thread more if you think I haven't given my thoughts. Go back to Saturday, which is probbably just one page before this one. Nothing's changed, at least not yet.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Im also the only person this entire game to publish a trust list. How is that not giving my thoughts?

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

If you go back and look, you and I had conversation on Saturday and I gave all of my thoughts there. My main curiosity with you is that you attack me today for saying the same things I said two days ago. I don't think I've changed my opinion much..

and as for you being the only person to publish a trust list, thats nonsense.. unless you don't read my posts. I'm pretty sure I gave detailed thoughts on everyone left.

[path12]

mental note: next game vote off west coast people first so I have people to talk to in the mornings :(


Hey! :(

[Barkeep49]

Alan is safe from tribal council now and wolf attacks tonight.

[Abe Sargent]

Alan is safe from tribal council now and wolf attacks tonight.

It's double immunity!

[Abe Sargent]

If you go back and look, you and I had conversation on Saturday and I gave all of my thoughts there. My main curiosity with you is that you attack me today for saying the same things I said two days ago. I don't think I've changed my opinion much..

and as for you being the only person to publish a trust list, thats nonsense.. unless you don't read my posts. I'm pretty sure I gave detailed thoughts on everyone left.

I'm not *attacking* you, I'm questioning you. There's an obvious difference. I;m not saying, I beleive AlanT is a wolf, nor am I saying AlanT is a liar. I;m simply questioning, which , since you are doing the same, is obviously pertinent.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Dola...

I will add that I will almost certainly be voting for Anxiety because he worked his butt off on the wikipedia challenge, when KWhit and I were pretty lethargic and pretty much willing to let it go without an entry.

I don;t think this is a legit reason, though, Swaggs. What you mentioned before is, but working hard on a WW challenge that has a lasting impact outside the game and is beneficial for the ciommunity is not an appropriate benchmark. In fact, if I hadn;t worked hard on it, I would have felt bad, like I had let the community and the foums down.

In other news, SkyDog said that WWers don;t contribute to the forum and the community that;s why no posts count. This was a way to prove him wrong, and I was proud to be able to assist in that. This is just a game, but hat challenge was way more than that.

[Alan T]

I'm not *attacking* you, I'm questioning you. There's an obvious difference. I;m not saying, I beleive AlanT is a wolf, nor am I saying AlanT is a liar. I;m simply questioning, which , since you are doing the same, is obviously pertinent.

-Anxiety


I'm mainly curious why neither you or Swaggs questioned me until today though. Its not like my thoughts have been secret. I've said the same thing for quite a while. And relooking back over the Saturday topic, I said all of the same stuff then.

I guess it may not be overly fair, but today I'm far more interested in what Lathum, Sndvls and path have to say than your or Swaggs defenses. I'm pretty undecided on who I will vote for tonight, but the discussion is what I'm looking for I suppose. I'm curious about things other people may have seen that I didn't pick up on.

Its ironic that everyone in the merged howard tribe was killed/voted off except the two who I said should have gone first :)

[Abe Sargent]

AlanT , I can;t speak for Swaggs, I think he should have been questioning you in your tribe thread, but this is the first time we've been together starting yesterday, but it is NOT the first time I've questioned you here. On Saturday, you posted that you had opinions, I specifically asked what those opinions were. I questioned you, and you responded. That's consistant across the board.

[Lathum]

hey guys.

IMO it is hard to put a traditional trust list together since we don't really know what half of the people in the game have been saying. I also have focused most of my efforts into challenges but here are a few thoughts.

I can see myself voting Path today since he is the lone survivor from his tribe.

Unless I am wrong Kwhit has been non existent lately, it seems he checked out of the game after he gave the idol away and we started talking about eliminating his whole tribe. This isn't something a wolf would do.

Sndvls has been pretty under the radar but I am wondering if Tyrith went nuts because he had a cool role and was pissed about the way things went down

AlanT has been AlanT, helpfull and into the game, maybe he has tried a little to hard in the challenges but that is his personality.

[path12]

I have no problem with talking in thread about my vote, but we should point out that we should take anyone's pronouncments with a grain of salt -- the tribal votes are anonymous, so there's no way to match what someone says in thread with how they actually vote.

My thought process for where I'm going is what I said last night in response to hoops' question, and I think Alan and I agree here -- I am not going to worry about who is or is not converted at this point. We know two things only: There is a wolf in the KWhit/Anxiety/Swaggs trio and a wolf in the Alan/SnDvls/Lathum trio. I haven't been in the same tribe with KWhit and Anxiety at all until now so I don't have a great read on them. Swaggs has not given me a wolf vibe, but I don't think that means much -- all of us left have the ability to play a wolf well.

In the other trio, I've been trying to figure it out for four days now and keep going back and forth. If I had to rank most to least likely right now I'd say Lathum/SnDvls/Alan but that's really open to change.

[Alan T]

I have no problem with talking in thread about my vote, but we should point out that we should take anyone's pronouncments with a grain of salt -- the tribal votes are anonymous, so there's no way to match what someone says in thread with how they actually vote.

My thought process for where I'm going is what I said last night in response to hoops' question, and I think Alan and I agree here -- I am not going to worry about who is or is not converted at this point. We know two things only: There is a wolf in the KWhit/Anxiety/Swaggs trio and a wolf in the Alan/SnDvls/Lathum trio. I haven't been in the same tribe with KWhit and Anxiety at all until now so I don't have a great read on them. Swaggs has not given me a wolf vibe, but I don't think that means much -- all of us left have the ability to play a wolf well.

In the other trio, I've been trying to figure it out for four days now and keep going back and forth. If I had to rank most to least likely right now I'd say Lathum/SnDvls/Alan but that's really open to change.


I thought about that, but I guess I do hope a wolf says one thing and votes another. It would give us a papertrail to track down, but the more info the better.

[Alan T]

AlanT , I can;t speak for Swaggs, I think he should have been questioning you in your tribe thread, but this is the first time we've been together starting yesterday, but it is NOT the first time I've questioned you here. On Saturday, you posted that you had opinions, I specifically asked what those opinions were. I questioned you, and you responded. That's consistant across the board.


Yes, but the point is the things you have a problem with today that I said, I actually said the majority of them well before today. Some of which you may not have had access to if it was in our tribe thread, but Swaggs did. However alot of this I said in response to you on Saturday and you didn't bring any of it up until today. Thats my definition of laying low and trying to let the storm pass.

[Abe Sargent]

I thought about that, but I guess I do hope a wolf says one thing and votes another. It would give us a papertrail to track down, but the more info the better.

Totally agree

[SnDvls]

So far Lathum posted very little, and Sndvls popped in and left without commenting at all. I've said for days that this is what move I would make once I finally had a tribal council that you all didn't try to frame the vote in. So why is it suprising that I am doing what I have said I would for over a week?


sorry haven't had a whole lot of time to comment on this as I was gone from work yesterday and am just now trying to catch up on this thread.

I'll give you a comment, but it will be later today for sure once I'm caught up at work.

[Alan T]

I can see myself voting Path today since he is the lone survivor from his tribe.



What would your reasonings for this be? Just to ensure we got rid of that wolf from that tribe? In my mind its no gurantuee that Jonathan wasn't that wolf, or even ntn or marathoner.

My worst case scenerio right now is:

Kwhit, Anxiety, Swaggs, path, Sndvls, Lathum, me alive (7 people)

Lupus, Howard,Helsing and Converted wolf alive still giving the wolves a majority.

With the way things have been playing I don't think this is the case or otherwise they could impose their will as they want on the vote.

My guess is that we have 7 people, 3 wolves. So either the howard tribe wolf or the converted wolf (or possibly both) are dead. THats why today's vote is important to try to get a wolf, and the only two sure places to do that is either in the helsing tribe or lupus tribe.

[path12]

I can see myself voting Path today since he is the lone survivor from his tribe.

Obviously I don't think that's a good vote, but mainly because it goes back to what I just said above: You KNOW there's a wolf in the old Helsing and the old Lupus. Why would that not be the priority instead of taking a shot in the dark that I might be a wolf? (which I'm not).

[Lathum]

What can I say, I am thourogh.

[Lathum]

And obviously a vote on Path is a throw away so I am not making it.

[Lathum]

The more I think about it I am leaning towards anxiety as a wolf. I stated above why I think it can't be kwhit. I am not sold on sndvls and since I know I am not a wolf and I can not vote on Alan Anxiety seems most logical.

[SnDvls]

I
In other news, SkyDog said that WWers don;t contribute to the forum and the community that;s why no posts count. This was a way to prove him wrong, and I was proud to be able to assist in that. This is just a game, but hat challenge was way more than that.


I hadn't thought of that challenge that way, but now that you mention it. I know I also didn't think of it as work as some had mentioned either.

[Alan T]

I've changed my mind a bit how I was going to play today. My apologies to Swaggs for being so rough on him. I just needed a good counterpoint to Anxiety for my ideas.

Basically I chose the list as my reward last night. I assumed my options were either: "The list" which would be some help in finding wolves, or "The item" which would be some protection from wolves. I wanted it to come out like I had no further info than before in hopes it would scare the wolves away from me till the end. I really would like to win it all after all.

I sat and looked at the possible scenerios, and think its probably too dangerous for me to do it this way, so going to explain my actions a bit. This list had 10 players names on it. My assumption is its the first 10 who volunteered when barkeep asked for names and this list is the one the wolves were chosen from (randomly?) I was given the list alphabetically so can't gain anything else from it.

So going into today, I was thinking I was protected from wolf attack last night but not tonight. Now I understand I'm protected for tonight so that helps me even more. Basically my biggest fear is that we haven't gotten the convert and he is out there somewhere.

So here are the names from my list:

Anxiety
Ardent
Blade
Golden
Jonathan
Ntn
Path
Raiders
Schmidty
Tyrith
<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

You can see it has 4 members from Oz (Ardent, Raiders, Goldeneagle, Schmidty), 2 members from Lupus (Blade, Anxiety), 3 members from Howard (Path, Ntndeacon, Jonathan) and only 1 Helsing member (Tyrith who now is Sndvls).

Based off of that, I assume that the Oz wolf was Raiders, Lupus wolf is Anxiety, Helsing wolf is Sndvls and the only one I'm unsure on is Howard as it could be Path or might have been someone else.

I was hoping to hold this info until after this vote to see who might be converted and try to push things a different direction. I guess in my mind though we likely have 3 wolves left, but it could only be 2 possibly. If its 4-3 right now we don't have time for me to try to hunt down possible converts based on their actions today. We have to stay one step ahead of the wolves each day or they control the vote.

So once again today, I feel pretty good about Swaggs and Lathum, Sndvls continues to make me uneasy, and Path I feel good about as well, but that could be dangerous.

[Lathum]

In other news, SkyDog said that WWers don;t contribute to the forum and the community that;s why no posts count. This was a way to prove him wrong, and I was proud to be able to assist in that. This is just a game, but hat challenge was way more than that.

I think his stance on that is moronic anyway. Just for shits and giggles I went through the top 100 posters and 24 of them are people who play or have played WW. That doesn't count myself who is just on the outside and I probably missed a few others.

[Lathum]

Alan, assuming you are on the level with this why not go for Sndvls?

[SnDvls]

alan - 2 questions
1) what have I done that has made you so uneasy? I won the bid challenge all on my own pretty much.
2) you can't hold against me something I never did. I'm not a wolf and if Tyrith volenterred I know nothing about it.

if I was a wolf I would have tried to get rid of you at the St. C vote since the votes would have been private. I never did.

I've been loyal to the Original Helsing tribe from the begining and contiune through today. I won't be voting Lathum or Alan tonight regardless.

[SnDvls]

DOLA - there are many other things I could have done if I was a wolf

like PM BK false answers to a challenge to throw it...never happened

[Alan T]

Alan, assuming you are on the level with this why not go for Sndvls?

Main reason is because I'd been saying for days and days that I was going to go for Anxiety or Swaggs. I didn't want it to look like I had gotten any further info on people last night to keep the wolves away thinking I chose the item instead. I figured giving the option of Swaggs vs Anxiety would give two reasonable choices for villagers to decide between while being most likely a bad guy vs good guy match up for wolves to deal with. (I can't for the life of me think of any reason Swaggs would have been converted at that time. Kwhit would have been before Swaggs most likely).

If I had chosen sndvls, my fear would be that the villagers would have to decide between me (who they couldn't vote for), you (most likely good, but possible convert) or sndvls. While the wolves only had to choose whichever way to save sndvls they wanted. It seemed like a much easier approach to keep on the same plan and try to lure in a convert along the way.

I changed my mind midway though, figuring its probably best to release the info I'm basing my vote for today on.

[Alan T]

alan - 2 questions
1) what have I done that has made you so uneasy? I won the bid challenge all on my own pretty much.


We've said plenty of times that we didn't feel the wolves would go out of their way to try to throw one of those early challenges, especially the way that it happened. It was much easier for the wolves to sit back and watch Pass and Gramm attack each other over it.


2) you can't hold against me something I never did. I'm not a wolf and if Tyrith volenterred I know nothing about it.


I don't know that this list is people who volunteered. I just said I assumed thats how Barkeep chose the wolves he went off of the first 10 who volunteered.


if I was a wolf I would have tried to get rid of you at the St. C vote since the votes would have been private. I never did.

Unless what I said at the time is true and it was a villager vs villager matchup to which point you easily would have voted cronin to remove an Oz member who wasn't an original wolf, who wouldn't receive votes from us if we went to tribal council and could choose, while leaving me who there could be a possibility of being an original wolf at the time.


I've been loyal to the Original Helsing tribe from the begining and contiune through today. I won't be voting Lathum or Alan tonight regardless.

I gave our wolf the option back nearly 10 days ago to work with us, he chose not to. I said if he gave up the other wolves at the time, maybe we could work out an allegiance and it never happened. You wern't very loyal to Mr.W , Pass or Gramm when they died it seems!

DOLA - there are many other things I could have done if I was a wolf

like PM BK false answers to a challenge to throw it...never happened


Once again, finding that out would have been easy and would have outed you for throwing the challenge.

[path12]

This list had 10 players names on it. My assumption is its the first 10 who volunteered when barkeep asked for names and this list is the one the wolves were chosen from (randomly?) I was given the list alphabetically so can't gain anything else from it.

Was there any description at all given by BK when he sent you the list to lead you to this assumption or was it just a list of players with no explanation at all?

[Lathum]

I dunno Alan, I can shoot alot of holes in your list

[Alan T]

Was there any description at all given by BK when he sent you the list to lead you to this assumption or was it just a list of players with no explanation at all?


Nah he didn't say the names were taken from the ones who volunteered. That was my assumption that this was the first 10 who volunteered.

[Alan T]

I dunno Alan, I can shoot alot of holes in your list

Well, thats the risk we'll have to take I suppose. I haven't lied this game about any of this. Even the day I had my publicized slipup with Path's info I didn't lie or try to cover it. Like I said if we are 4-3 right now, we can't really take the chance on trying to take a guess at a convert or path right now.

We need to remove Anxiety and Sndvls and then see if there are still wolves around to remove.

[path12]

Nah he didn't say the names were taken from the ones who volunteered. That was my assumption that this was the first 10 who volunteered.

I'm just trying to clarify to see if I agree with your assumption. So it was just a list of names that you received with no explanation at all? Or was there some kind of description/heading that gives you the basis for the assumption?

[Alan T]

I'm just trying to clarify to see if I agree with your assumption. So it was just a list of names that you received with no explanation at all? Or was there some kind of description/heading that gives you the basis for the assumption?

It was literally called "The List". Nothing about it being the Volunteer list or such.

[SnDvls]

Alan as the head wolf you had to win the challenge so you could make up this info....good lie by the way.

You knew no one could vote for you, but by winning you could get the wolves a leg up as you appear to be down to just 2 wolves ( and I feel I know who the other is now too )

you just assured yourself another day that is all. you took on a great role of overly helpful wolf, your M.O. if I remember correctly and this one is going to bit you now.

[Alan T]

dola, if you're asking if Barkeep said "the wolves are listed below in this list" then no he didn't. But there are times where you have to ask what the most simple explanation is for an event. And Barkeep messing with my mind while fun likely isn't the most likely scenerio.

[Alan T]

Alan as the head wolf you had to win the challenge so you could make up this info....good lie by the way.

You knew no one could vote for you, but by winning you could get the wolves a leg up as you appear to be down to just 2 wolves ( and I feel I know who the other is now too )

you just assured yourself another day that is all. you took on a great role of overly helpful wolf, your M.O. if I remember correctly and this one is going to bit you now.

or in other words, I played the same way I do every other game regardless if I am a villager or not? :)

So this is phase 2 I guess. now that the info is out there, its time for you to try to make the villagers not believe it to give you life. I don't think I believe you when you say there are 2 wolves left either. I honestly think there likely are 3 left.

[Alan T]

Also sndvls, please explain why I would come out with this now when Anxiety was on his way to being voted out based on the numbers of people who are voting for him? If I was the wolf and lying about Anxiety why not just sit back and watch the villagers lynch another villager? That wouldn't make much sense I wouldn't think.

[SnDvls]

Also sndvls, please explain why I would come out with this now when Anxiety was on his way to being voted out based on the numbers of people who are voting for him? If I was the wolf and lying about Anxiety why not just sit back and watch the villagers lynch another villager? That wouldn't make much sense I wouldn't think.

funny seemed like it was 50/50 between him and swaggs from what was posted by you and others before..guess you did lie.

again good lie on this "list" it will go down as an all time good wolf play

[Lathum]

I gotta be honest I am having a hard time buying alan's list

[Alan T]

I gotta be honest I am having a hard time buying alan's list

Well barring conversions, I'm pretty sure this game rests in the hands of you, Swaggs and Kwhit either believing or not believing the list. I can only give my reasons and what I know. The rest is up to whether you choose to believe Sndvls/Anxiety or me. :)

[Lathum]

right now I am leaning towards not believing you.

But thanks for clearing me.

[Alan T]

right now I am leaning towards not believing you.

But thanks for clearing me.

I don't believe I have the ability to clear anyone. I have no idea who might be converted. I still stand by my belief that its silly to try to hunt down converted players or such before you remove the Lupus and Helsing wolves.

Even if you don't believe me, go after those wolves first. To do otherwise would be foolish.

I guess you just have to ask yourself.. how hard would this be to get rid of the wolves without being told if they are wolves when they die without some other in game helps. I could have chosen to be selfish (pick the item), or be a teamplayer (pick the list).

I did my part, so if we lose its not my fault :)

[Lathum]

I just think it would be to convienent for you to replace a name on that list.

[Lathum]

and unless we are both wolves your list clears me

[Alan T]

So basically you are saying you would have preferred for me to not release the list at all, and leave everyone to guessing?

[Lathum]

So basically you are saying you would have preferred for me to not release the list at all, and leave everyone to guessing?

no, but you are asking us to have blind faith in you and this late in a possible end game scenerio that is asking alot.

[Alan T]

and unless we are both wolves your list clears me

I am guessing it doesn't say anything about Converts. My assumption is this is the list the original wolves were picked from.


Heck it might have just been people who owe Barkeep lunch money.

Either way, I dont have any ability to clear people, just passing along the info that I received. Now it looks like people don't really want my info so I'll stop trying to share and wait to be voted off tommorrow. :)

Just remember to look back at this "I told you so" moment at the end of the game if you choose to go that path.

[Lathum]

dola- escpecially since there is no way to confirm you are telling the truth after we lynch someone

[Alan T]

no, but you are asking us to have blind faith in you and this late in a possible end game scenerio that is asking alot.


I actually just got through saying if you don't believe me you still shouldn't be going after Path or hunting down who might be converted.

If you honestly feel I'm a wolf, your only real good vote today is a Lupus member. I'm hoping the villagers believe me as I haven't lied (unless you agree with Sndvls saying my quote of feeling Anxiety/Swaggs was a 50/50 shot is a lie from earlier today but he's just reaching)

[Alan T]

dola- escpecially since there is no way to confirm you are telling the truth after we lynch someone


Then lynch me tommorrow and go vote for Kwhit or Swaggs today. Sheesh :)

I'm not going to make up stories to try to make it any more believable. I asked for "the list" from my reward yesterday and sure enough I got "the list"

[Abe Sargent]

The more I think about it I am leaning towards anxiety as a wolf. I stated above why I think it can't be kwhit. I am not sold on sndvls and since I know I am not a wolf and I can not vote on Alan Anxiety seems most logical.

Or Swaggs....

[path12]

Was there ever verification that KWhit actually did send his idol over? I thought it was assumed but was it confirmed?

[Alan T]

Was there ever verification that KWhit actually did send his idol over? I thought it was assumed but was it confirmed?


St.cronin confirmed that they received one idol , no one in this thread or the helsing thread disputed it.

[Abe Sargent]

I've changed my mind a bit how I was going to play today. My apologies to Swaggs for being so rough on him. I just needed a good counterpoint to Anxiety for my ideas.

Basically I chose the list as my reward last night. I assumed my options were either: "The list" which would be some help in finding wolves, or "The item" which would be some protection from wolves. I wanted it to come out like I had no further info than before in hopes it would scare the wolves away from me till the end. I really would like to win it all after all.

I sat and looked at the possible scenerios, and think its probably too dangerous for me to do it this way, so going to explain my actions a bit. This list had 10 players names on it. My assumption is its the first 10 who volunteered when barkeep asked for names and this list is the one the wolves were chosen from (randomly?) I was given the list alphabetically so can't gain anything else from it.

So going into today, I was thinking I was protected from wolf attack last night but not tonight. Now I understand I'm protected for tonight so that helps me even more. Basically my biggest fear is that we haven't gotten the convert and he is out there somewhere.

So here are the names from my list:

Anxiety
Ardent
Blade
Golden
Jonathan
Ntn
Path
Raiders
Schmidty
Tyrith
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You can see it has 4 members from Oz (Ardent, Raiders, Goldeneagle, Schmidty), 2 members from Lupus (Blade, Anxiety), 3 members from Howard (Path, Ntndeacon, Jonathan) and only 1 Helsing member (Tyrith who now is Sndvls).

Based off of that, I assume that the Oz wolf was Raiders, Lupus wolf is Anxiety, Helsing wolf is Sndvls and the only one I'm unsure on is Howard as it could be Path or might have been someone else.

I was hoping to hold this info until after this vote to see who might be converted and try to push things a different direction. I guess in my mind though we likely have 3 wolves left, but it could only be 2 possibly. If its 4-3 right now we don't have time for me to try to hunt down possible converts based on their actions today. We have to stay one step ahead of the wolves each day or they control the vote.

So once again today, I feel pretty good about Swaggs and Lathum, Sndvls continues to make me uneasy, and Path I feel good about as well, but that could be dangerous.



Wow that's...unfortunate.


Either this is a wholly made up list, which would be a clever wolf play, or you are just guessing. I hope its the second, but this leads me to make two points, one old and one new.

The old: when volunteers were asked for BK, made it seem that someone from your tribe better volunteer, or else, however the volunteer might get stuck with something icky. Well, I'll be honest. I seriously considered volunteering until I realized that Blade was on my team. Ask for volunteers in a WW game and Blade would be at the front of the line very single time. So I didn;t volunteer because I didn't see the need. Since we've basically sussed out that volunteers were teh wolves, Blade being a wolf makes sense (no one said that there had to be one per group) Lupus may very well have had two!

The new: the seven of us are WW vets. When I started playing a year ago, all six of you had already been playing. We know each other very well, and we also know how to play the wolf. Any two of us (or three is you beleive AlanT) could play a very clever wolf game. Sure, I think JE was a wolf, and RA is to be determined, and I still feel that it was likely that cronin was an Oz convert. However, out of just us seven, I think I honestly begin to fear a group of wolves made up of us. I woulnd;t put many things past any of you.

And that includes fake lists of random ten people, or not being around much, or coming out of the gate swinging and whatnot.

However, her's an additional new thought. The wolves would have wanted to have won yesterday;s challenge, right? They get either an item or a list instead of a villager. it would have behooved them to work together, right?

Which two people got perfect scores yesterday? Swaggs and AlanT.


-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Yes, and if I was a wolf, I'm pretty sure it would have been easier for me to push an agenda if I had just came out and said "Barkeep sent me the list that the following two players were wolves"

He didn't send me a list saying that, I'm just saying what I go, and I'm not a wolf. Other than that you may be exactly right!

[Lathum]

Wow that's...unfortunate.

The new: the seven of us are WW vets. When I started playing a year ago, all six of you had already been playing. We know each other very well, and we also know how to play the wolf. Any two of us (or three is you beleive AlanT) could play a very clever wolf game.




-Anxiety


speak for yourself. I have no clue how to play like a wolf...:D

[Lathum]

Yes, and if I was a wolf, I'm pretty sure it would have been easier for me to push an agenda if I had just came out and said "Barkeep sent me the list that the following two players were wolves"

He didn't send me a list saying that, I'm just saying what I go, and I'm not a wolf. Other than that you may be exactly right!


I'm not sur any of us would have fell for that

[Alan T]

Doesn't seem like you're "falling" for the truth either.

Still doesn't make much sense why I would even come out with this if I was a wolf and the majority of people I'm appealing to already are voting Anxiety. If I was a wolf there and trying to get people to vote for Anxiety, I would have just let you and Swaggs and path all vote him on your own and sit back and watch.

Like I said though, I'm not going to make up stuff to try to get you to believe the truth (like some people do in these situations). I had a choice to make and I made it. I feel its much more important for us to get the right people before we fall behind in numbers.

[Abe Sargent]

I am guessing it doesn't say anything about Converts. My assumption is this is the list the original wolves were picked from.


Heck it might have just been people who owe Barkeep lunch money.

Either way, I dont have any ability to clear people, just passing along the info that I received. Now it looks like people don't really want my info so I'll stop trying to share and wait to be voted off tommorrow. :)

Just remember to look back at this "I told you so" moment at the end of the game if you choose to go that path.

I don't owe BK any lunch money. :)

[Alan T]

I don't owe BK any lunch money. :)

Yes, I'm guessing thats not quite what that list is for as well :)

[Abe Sargent]

St.cronin confirmed that they received one idol , no one in this thread or the helsing thread disputed it.

I totally beleive KWhit passed the idol - AE confirmed receipt of the idol and KWhit confirmed passage of said idol.

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, I'm guessing thats not quite what that list is for as well :)

Maybe its a list of players BK thinks are good WW players? ;)

[Alan T]

Maybe its a list of players BK thinks are good WW players? ;)


Possibly!

Well I'm heading out of work. Sent in my vote for Anxiety. Guess we will see what happens :) back later!

[path12]

FWIW, I don't see what Alan would have to gain by coming out with this list if he was a wolf. I agree that the better strategy in that case would have been to sit back and push for a old Lupus vote (assuming he could steer it to the non-wolf(ves) in that tribe). So I think that the list is likely genuine.

What I am not at all sure is that the assumption that it is the list of the first 10 volunteers and whether or not that means that all the wolves are on the list. I find it pretty tough to believe that there were no wolf votes assigned pre-game and that it all depended on who would volunteer.

The problem with this game is that we've got so little information to work with as opposed to normally. No real voting records, no threads to go back and analyze, nothing. I really feel like this is a day 2-3 vote right now instead of two weeks into the game.

[Lathum]

Maybe its a list of players BK thinks are good WW players? ;)

that would explaine why I am not on it

[path12]

I also don't get why Alan says we were all going to vote Anxiety. I feel Abe has given some good analysis in the past couple days. That feels like a push to me.

[path12]

that would explaine why I am not on it

It would also mean I shouldn't be on it.

[Lathum]

I really feel like this is a day 2-3 vote right now instead of two weeks into the game.

I feel the same way. I was thinking earlier any of you could be wolves.

[Abe Sargent]

that would explaine why I am not on it

No worries mate, you'd be in my top three list along with hoops and BK himself.

Actually, my top five would include, in order:

hoopsguy
Lathum
BK
Chief Rum (he's new-ish, but he's very insightful)
SnDvls

with Blade a close sixth.


-Anxiety

[Lathum]

thx :)

[KWhit]

I tend to think that the list is genuine, but I'm not sure.

However, I do NOT think that it was the list of volunteers. I remember the call for volunteers coming right after the Lupus tribe voted out Blade. So there is no way that Blade's name should be on it if it, if that's what it was.

I also don't think that volunteering is what made/didn't make you a wolf. The volunteering happened right before the merger right? I believe that was the point of volunteering. Someone mentioned that after they volunteered they had to do 'something' to help determine the new tribes. Something like picking a number or numbers, something like that.

Who was it that said that? Lathum, maybe?

[SnDvls]

No worries mate, you'd be in my top three list along with hoops and BK himself.

Actually, my top five would include, in order:

hoopsguy
Lathum
BK
Chief Rum (he's new-ish, but he's very insightful)
SnDvls

with Blade a close sixth.


-Anxiety

I'm only on your list...and only because I've played in so many games because I think I really suck at WW....I keep getting killed as the seer on night one and lynched when I'm good (see this game and the current small game)

[Lathum]

I think Kwhit is confusin 2 things.

Early on, night 2 or 3 each tribe was told they need one volunteer and no one could say if they did or didn't volunteer.

Then before the merge each tribe was asked to send one person as a representative. We were asked to submit a list but weren't told why or what the criteria was for the list.

[KWhit]

I think Kwhit is confusin 2 things.

Early on, night 2 or 3 each tribe was told they need one volunteer and no one could say if they did or didn't volunteer.

Then before the merge each tribe was asked to send one person as a representative. We were asked to submit a list but weren't told why or what the criteria was for the list.


Maybe so. I'm referring to the second event. I don't really remember much about the first one you're talking about, but now it does ring a bell (my brain addled from cold medicine isn't helping).

[Lathum]

I think the lack of knowledge about who is a wolf after death has cramped the discussion thus far.

[Abe Sargent]

It being Tuesday night and all, I may not be back for a while. The following post is meant for those thinking about voting for either me or Swaggs. This is why you should consider Swaggs over me:

1). Swaggs and AlanT were tied wtih 7 points each in yesterday's contest, which wolves would have really wanted to win. I only got four points.

2). When voting yesterday, I could have voted KWhit or ITC. KWhit hadn;t showed up for two days, so I voted KWhit because if he wasn;t going to defend himself, I wasn;t going to avoid voting for him. I hadn;t intended on comgin back - this was a couple of hours before the deadline, and I had to do rounds and whatnot. However, I was able to check back in with a few minutes before deadline, see KWhit had logged on and responded, and hopped my vopte to ITC. KWhit is one of the most "cleared" (using that term loosely) people in teh game. If I were really a wolf, I would have left my vote on KWhit, watched him get voted out AND have had a legit reason to have done so. KWhit can verify all of this happened in group

3). My theory behind why no kill last night is that either wolves can only kill the group they are in or they cannot kill while under immunity - so they were prevented from killing. (Note that BK indicates that there was a potential for a night action with his comments.). Either of those theories would mean our group was clean - KWhit and I are not wolves. That means Swaggs must be a wolf by process of elimination.

This is recent stuff, there's stuff that's older, but I figured that you'd want only recent things.

I may or may not be able to check back in before deadline, but I'll try to. For now, and probably for good, my vote is on Swaggs.

-Anxiety

[KWhit]

2). When voting yesterday, I could have voted KWhit or ITC. KWhit hadn;t showed up for two days, so I voted KWhit because if he wasn;t going to defend himself, I wasn;t going to avoid voting for him. I hadn;t intended on comgin back - this was a couple of hours before the deadline, and I had to do rounds and whatnot. However, I was able to check back in with a few minutes before deadline, see KWhit had logged on and responded, and hopped my vopte to ITC. KWhit is one of the most "cleared" (using that term loosely) people in teh game. If I were really a wolf, I would have left my vote on KWhit, watched him get voted out AND have had a legit reason to have done so. KWhit can verify all of this happened in group


For the record, yes that is what happened last night.

[path12]

I'm not thrilled with an Anxiety vote. I'm looking elsewhere at this point.

[path12]

funny seemed like it was 50/50 between him and swaggs from what was posted by you and others before..guess you did lie.

again good lie on this "list" it will go down as an all time good wolf play

This statement is bothering me. It smells wolfish.

[path12]

Man it's quiet.

[Abe Sargent]

Came back hoping to see serious discussion and was disappointed to see little. Ah well. I'm not changing my Swaggs vote at this point.

[path12]

Thoughts on SnDvls anyone?

[Lathum]

Man it's quiet.

Like I said earlier, what is there to talk about?

I have no clue who could be a wolf and we have no way to know if people are swinging the vote, etc...

This is by no means a knock on what has so far been an awesome game, but I usually steer clear of games where the role isn't revealed on death because by the end it turns into to much of a guessing game.

[path12]

Dola, just to follow up on that I thought he was awfully defensive with Alan earlier about the list. More than would seem usual.

[Abe Sargent]

Thoughts on SnDvls anyone?

Seems awful late for a push don't it?

[path12]

Seems awful late for a push don't it?

Not really a push, I put out something around 7:30 eastern but nobody had an opinion on it I guess. Just trying to piece it together like everyone else....

[SnDvls]

Thoughts on SnDvls anyone?


ya here's one....I'm good
don't vote me off

[Swaggs]

Should be an interesting vote.

I suspect it will be me and if so, fair enough. I am surprised I got as far as I did in this game, as I expected to be voted out much, much earlier, since I was in line to go home the night Blade did and then I got put in a Helsing Tribe with no one from my previous tribe.

It will be interesting to see if there will be a "sole survivor" or if the wolves win when/if they overwhelm.

[Abe Sargent]

Actuall, Swaggs, I expect it to be me.

[Barkeep49]

My apologies. I just got home. Let me count the votes.

[Barkeep49]

First vote
Swaggs

[Barkeep49]

Second vote
Swaggs
Two votes Swaggs

[Barkeep49]

Third vote
Anxiety
Two votes Swaggs, one vote Anxiety. Four votes needed to lynch.

[Barkeep49]

Fourth vote
Swaggs
Three votes Swaggs, one vote Anxiety.

[Barkeep49]

Fifth vote
Anxiety
That's three for Swaggs, two for Anxiety.

[Barkeep49]

Six vote
Anxiety
Three votes each for Anxiety and Swaggs. Next vote will be the lynching vote.

[Barkeep49]

And the first member of our jury is:
Swaggs
I'm sorry Swaggs, but the tribe has Spoken. Please bring me your post button.

I am about 65% done tabulating the results of the challenge.

[Lathum]

for the record I voted anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

That was very, very close. Damn BK for dragging it out! :)

[Swaggs]

And the first member of our jury is:

I'm sorry Swaggs, but the tribe has Spoken. Please bring me your post button.

I am about 65% done tabulating the results of the challenge.

You will never get my post button!

You can have jbmagic's edit button, though.

Good game, guys. Good luck.

[Alan T]

sigh. I think we just lost the game.

After tonight we'll be at either 3 wolves - 2 villagers or best case scenerio 2 wolves - 3 villagers.

All because you all didn't want to accept that barkeep had some ways in this game for us to gain information. Well, at this point I hope I win every challenge from here on out and force the wolves to vote each other off.

[path12]

I think three wolves seems high at this stage. I would believe two though.

[SnDvls]

I think three wolves seems high at this stage. I would believe two though.

that's my guess as well and I've stated as much
Alan is dead set on 3 though guess we'll see what happens tonight who is right

[Alan T]

that's my guess as well and I've stated as much
Alan is dead set on 3 though guess we'll see what happens tonight who is right


What do you expect to happen tonight that magically gives us the number of wolves left?

The helsing and Lupus wolves are left for sure, and possibly either the convert or the howard wolf. Either way, I have a feeling the wolves will soon control the vote. I am guessing tonight's target will be kwhit for the kill.

[Lathum]

If path doesn't win immunity and isn't killed tonight he is a wolf.

[SnDvls]

What do you expect to happen tonight that magically gives us the number of wolves left?


my guess is if there are 2 wolves we'll still be playing tomorrow as this is survivor after all.

[Alan T]

If path doesn't win immunity and isn't killed tonight he is a wolf.

I highly doubt that. Its either you or Kwhit they will be killing tonight I am pretty sure.

[Lathum]

I highly doubt that. Its either you or Kwhit they will be killing tonight I am pretty sure.

why would they do that? By killing Path that leaves more confusion about who could be a wolf by leaving more choices

[Alan T]

why would they do that? By killing Path that leaves more confusion about who could be a wolf by leaving more choices


Well path is the only choice for a howard wolf. so removing him takes away one of the possibilities. Removing you or Kwhit doesn't remove the possibility of someone else being a convert.

[Barkeep49]

Just how well did our Survivors get into the minds of others? The answer, I think, is pretty well. Let’s look at what each of our Survivors submitted as answers:
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</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> FOFC - werewolf, trout, skydog<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> FOFC -- forum, community, dynasties<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 57.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football -- football, GM, draft<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football- college years, 2k7, fofc<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football - football text sim<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football - Football , simulation, game<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football - jim gindin, ihof, 2k7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Front Office Football -- game, sim, career<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> werewolf -- lynch, vote, duke<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> werewolf- lynch, seer, wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> werewolf - game, harry, bad<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> werewolf - seer, bodyguard, vote<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> werewolf - seer, vote, attack<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Werewolf -- lynch, vote, bluff<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> kill -- death, lynch(ed), goodbye<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> kill- wolf, werewolf, night action<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> kill - wolves, victory, death <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> kill - death, wolf, night<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> kill - bill, wolf, gun<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Kill -- murder, lynch, wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> challenge -- outwit, outplay, outlast<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> challenge- survivor, imunity, werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> challenge - reward, survivor, council <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> challenge - immunity, reward, win<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> challenge - survivor, immunity, reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Challenge -- survivor, win, reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> idol -- safety, worship, wood<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> idol- Immunity, survivor, challenge<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> idol - immunity, small, necklace<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> idol - immunity, protection, statue<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> idol - american, immunity, survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Idol -- American, immunity, Billy<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 57.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> spring training -- <st1:State><st1:place>Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>, <st1:State><st1:place>Florida</st1:place></st1:State>, basebal <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> spring training -baseball, exibition, fantasy <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> spring training - baseball, cactus, grapefruit <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> spring training - baseball, pitchers, catche <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> spring training - baseball, pitchers, catcher <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Spring Training -- baseball, cactus, grapefruit <o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
Lots of good answers there, no doubt. Sorting the answers we get a raw data table of (in case someone wants to double check my math):
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</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> FOF<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> Kill<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> Challenge<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> Idol<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="86"> Spring Training<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Community<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2k7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Attack<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Bill<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Council<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> American<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <st1:State><st1:place>Arizona</st1:place></st1:State><o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Community<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> 2k7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Bad<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Death<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> american<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Dynasties<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Career<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Bluff<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Death<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Billy<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Elitiest<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> College years<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Bodyguard<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Death<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Challenge<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Football<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Draft<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Duke<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Goodbye<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Outlast<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Football<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Fofc<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Game<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Gun<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Outplay<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Forum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Football<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Hairy<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lynch<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Outwit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Baseball<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Forum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Football<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lynch<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lynch<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Cactus<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Games<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Football<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lynch<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Murder<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Immunity<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Cactus<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Post count<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Game<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Lynch<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Night<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Necklace<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Catchers<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Post count<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Game<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Seer<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Night action<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Reward<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Protection<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Catchers<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Sky Dog<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> GM<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Seer<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Victory<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Safety<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Exhibition<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Sky Dog<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Ihof<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Seer<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Small<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Fantasy<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Sky Dog<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Jim gindin<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Vote<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Statue<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> <st1:State><st1:place>Florida</st1:place></st1:State><o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Trout<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Simulation<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Vote<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Grapefruit<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Simulation<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Vote<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Survivor<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Grapefruit<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Text sim<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Vote<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Win<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Wood<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Pitchers<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Wolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Win<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Worship<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Pitchers<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
This gave us a scoring table, which went right down to the wire and was really anyone’s game the whole way through:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Swaggs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Lathum<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> FOFC<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 57.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> FOF<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Werewolf<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Kill<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 6<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 9<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Challenge<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 9<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 9<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 46.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> Idol<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 9<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 46.5pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 57.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> Spring training<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 57.75pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>

Our final results were:
Swaggs – 41
Lathum – 48
SnDvls – 48
Path – 54
Alan – 56
KWhit – 56
<o:p> </o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Congrats to our two co-winners. Alan chose to PM with Swaggs and Lathum. KWhit did not submit to me his list in advance and thus will only be able to PM with 1 person as well. Once he has chosen that person I will let the group know. I hope the Survivors sleep well tonight.

Night Actions are due by 9, but I will accept a slightly late set of actions if the late posting made things hard on those who have night actions.

[Abe Sargent]

Ummmm.....where're my answers?

[SnDvls]

did anxiety not submit answers?

[Abe Sargent]

Looking at it, I wouldn;t a won anyway with my solecismic choice for both one and two.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, and my idol answers I remember had commandment and God in them. Yeah, no points here anyways. :(

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, and my idol answers I remember had commandment and God in them. Yeah, no points here anyways. :(
WHen did you submit your answers? I have a vote, but no answers from you. I did a triple check of my inbox.

[Abe Sargent]

Hold out, let me check my sent box.

[Abe Sargent]

Well shit. Nevermind. I um....nevermind.



I feel sheepish. :eek:

[Alan T]

Barkeep, since I was already immune tonight from wolf attacks, does this mean I'm immune tonight and the next night?

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, since I was already immune tonight from wolf attacks, does this mean I'm immune tonight and the next night?
Yes.

[Alan T]

I'm able to PM with Lathum tonight (also Swaggs but since you all voted him off guess that no longer matters). Since I have two immunities for back to back nights and I highly doubt the game will go that long now unless I keep getting amazingly lucky with the reward challenges, I decided to do something crazy.

I passed one of my nights of immunity to Lathum for tonight. I hope we're down to only 2 wolves but i don't honestly see any real reason for Sndvls to tell the truth about that. Hoping this doesn't backfire like my sharing the list did today.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm able to PM with Lathum tonight (also Swaggs but since you all voted him off guess that no longer matters). Since I have two immunities for back to back nights and I highly doubt the game will go that long now unless I keep getting amazingly lucky with the reward challenges, I decided to do something crazy.

I passed one of my nights of immunity to Lathum for tonight. I hope we're down to only 2 wolves but i don't honestly see any real reason for Sndvls to tell the truth about that. Hoping this doesn't backfire like my sharing the list did today.

Just popped you an e-mail about a subject not related to this game, but whcih I hope you'll answer quickly since its about the next games for you and me.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry, that shoul;d read sent you a PM

[Lathum]

Well Alan moves up my trust list for saving my life

[hoopsguy]

We are now down to six players, and with the wolf faction still lurking it is likely to be five players tomorrow. This likely means that we are headed towards the end game where the challenge ratchets up another notch.

We've spent the last two days gathering feedback from our audience and the results are clear - they are rooting for the wolves to rout the remaining villagers. We are really, really lucky to have introduced the wolves to this game because overall this is the least likeable bunch of contestants we have had on Survivor since the inception of the show. You would think people would root for "man" over "nature" but not this time around.

OK, pep talk is over. So, the question on my mind tonight - how many wolves do you think are left in the game at this point? And what are your reasons for believing said number?

[Alan T]

I had to take the ms. back to the hospital. I just drove home real quick to email in to work so they knew I wasn't going to be in today.

THere is a chance I won't be back before tonight I fear. Really bad time gamewise, Barkeep I'll drop you a pm :(

[Lathum]

ugh alan, I hope everything is ok.

[Lathum]

I think there are 2 wolves.

I know the helsing wolf is out there and I am pretyy sure the Lupus one is there with Anxiety and kwhit coming from the other tribe.

[Barkeep49]

Good morning Survivors. I'm sure you've all seen Lathum's mangled corpse by now. But it's good of his ghost to join the jury.

Today's challenge harks back to one of the first challenges. Your goal is to once again get the most points, but this time instead of bidding you will be ranking each of the 15 territories. Whoever ranks a territory the highest wins. If two people give a territory the same ranking they split the points. As a tie breaker whoever wins the most territories (with-out ties) will be the winner, followed by whoever has won territory A, then B, and so on. For the second tie breaker, if a person tied for that territory with someone other than the person for whom the tie breaker is comparing it will be considered a win.

The territories are:
A. Greater Werewolvia - 33
B. Middle Werewolvia - 14
C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20
D. Fleabit Cove - 11
E. Dogbonia - 10
F. Dog Ear - 12
G. Homidia - 15
H. Lupinia - 16
I. Garouvia - 25
J. North Canis - 17
K. Lake Wolfsbane - 18
L. South Canis - 29
M. Lower Fang - 23
N. Upper Fang -21
O. Alpovia - 13

Lists should be sent to me by 10 PM. You may only change your list once. Feel free to post any or all information, threats, bargains, etc here in the thread.

Survivors ready? Go!

[Lathum]

BOO!!

[Abe Sargent]

Huh. Guess someone didn't get immunity afterall.

[Abe Sargent]

I passed one of my nights of immunity to Lathum for tonight.


A bluff? Or a clever wolf trick? Probably just the first, but who knows in this game.