Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME)

[path12]

Hope everything is all right, Alan.

[path12]

Have a meeting soon, will be back in awhile.

[Alan T]

Thanks for the well wishes. Long story short.. some know I used to be married, then was divorced a few years ago. What most didn't know is I had dated someone else for the past 2 years (ever since my divorce) and we found out later last year that she was pregnant. We wern't really ready for this as it was pretty early. She had some pains and bleeding last yesterday so actually went to the hospital yesterday then went home. Last night at 4am she had bad pains and we were told to go back. They did a full check up and because of complications decided to do a C-section this morning.

I'm happy to say that my third daughter, Elena was born this morning at 9:58am. Both her and her mother are doing well. Elena's dad on the other hand is worn out, tired and stressed :) Now the fun of trying to change a bunch of family's plane tickets to earlier dates due to the early arrival

[Swaggs]

Wow... Congrats Alan. :)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Congrats, Alan!

[Lathum]

WOw, congrats!

[Alan T]

Back to the game stuff, yeah it was a bluff. Not really sure what else I could do at this point. I talked with Lathum last night and realized I felt he was telling the truth. My hunch was the following:

Wolves: Anxiety, Sndvls.
Converted wolf: kwhit

I wasn't sure on Path. I got clarification last night on yesterday's immunity challenge from barkeep seperate from what I posted in the thread, and found that both Kwhit's and my immunity applied for tonight and not last night. So Kwhit could have been killed last night. I asked barkeep if I could trade away one of my days of immunity and was told I couldn't. I asked him if I could lie about it and he said yes but he wouldn't lie if asked about it.

In talking with Lathum, I figured I might as well give it a shot and try the bluff. With the idea hoping the wolves wouldn't take the chance and would pick a different target if there was one. It didn't work obviously.

I guess my question now is... So is it 4 wolves vs me, or 3 wolves vs me and 1 other? I'm starting to feel all alone here. i don't see any reason why to hide it from me anymore.. I obviously don't have the numbers to lynch any of you and my only hope of staying alive is by continuing to win challenges (which I doubt I will do today since I just dont have the time to dedicate to it).

So I have a deal to make. Since I doubt I can force the vote in a way you all don't want... I want the wolves to be honest with me and just come out and say how many are left and who they are. The person I believe the most I'll put my vote in the direction they want to help keep that person in the game longer.

[path12]

Hey! Congrats to you both!

[Alan T]

Thanks all!

Well my break is over, driving back over to the hospital for a while. I sent in my answers for the challenge, but not for the vote yet. I'll check back at some point tonight (probably when I go for dinner) to see if any wolf takes me up on the offer.

[Abe Sargent]

Yay AlanT - congrats!

[Alan T]

Ah hah, the new room after birth has wireless internet.

[SnDvls]

congrats Alan

[SnDvls]

Alan

what kind of deal you want?

[st.cronin]

Woot, congrats Papa Alan.

[Alan T]

Alan

what kind of deal you want?


Well I assume unless I get lucky with the tribal challenges here on out, my time is very limited. At this point with werewolves in the majority I assume you all will start playing to win it all and not just as a team (since there can only be one survivor).

What I am offering is my vote today and possibly my jury vote at the end if/when I reach the jury depending on the type of info I receive back. I basically just want it straight forward. How many wolves are left, who are they and any other interesting info from along the way if there is any.

Since I am likely in the minority now I can't push a vote for any wolf that will pass on its own. So I'm mainly playing to try to continue to get immunities and see what I can learn. The person who is most up front and gives the best info I'll reward with my vote today and at least some favor in the jury (depending on how things turn out from here on out and what type of info I get)

[SnDvls]

well there is no way I would out another wolf without them letting me know it's okay. so I won't give you that info.

[Alan T]

well there is no way I would out another wolf without them letting me know it's okay. so I won't give you that info.

Fair enough. I guess you have to ask yourself if another wolf will give you the same benefit, or if they will buy my vote to try to beat you at the end :)

[SnDvls]

Fair enough. I guess you have to ask yourself if another wolf will give you the same benefit, or if they will buy my vote to try to beat you at the end :)

there is nothing to out about myself

[Alan T]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/elena.jpg

[SnDvls]

cute baby alan

I'm sure mom/dad/baby/and the other kids are doing well

[path12]

Awwwwwww.....

[Lathum]

holy crap! that kid has alot of hair!

cute pic.

[Lathum]

THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CUTENESS IN WEREWOLF!!!!!!!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[hoopsguy]

Congrats, Alan. In the list of medical complications, it sounds like this was a best case scenario :)

[Abe Sargent]

Well I assume unless I get lucky with the tribal challenges here on out, my time is very limited. At this point with werewolves in the majority I assume you all will start playing to win it all and not just as a team (since there can only be one survivor).

What I am offering is my vote today and possibly my jury vote at the end if/when I reach the jury depending on the type of info I receive back. I basically just want it straight forward. How many wolves are left, who are they and any other interesting info from along the way if there is any.

Since I am likely in the minority now I can't push a vote for any wolf that will pass on its own. So I'm mainly playing to try to continue to get immunities and see what I can learn. The person who is most up front and gives the best info I'll reward with my vote today and at least some favor in the jury (depending on how things turn out from here on out and what type of info I get)



I believe my fellow wolves will get pissed at me, but I'll take that action. There's not going to be much discussion here anyway.

I was not drafted to be a wolf, but BK's restriction on how I became a wolf and that I can't say still stands, so you have to read between the lines of my statement "I was not drafted by BK to be a wolf nor was I a convert"

JE was full wolf. I don;t know about RA. We had to find each other before we could communicate. I was teh last wolf to join the pack. I beleive Blade was on to me as a wolf, so I jumped at the chance to vote for him, and voted for him when Swaggs moved to him before KWhit asked me to.

I always tried to win every single challenge, so my team never suffered. I almost never did any night killing, it was mostof the other wolves (I think I did one night kill, on either Pass or Gramm, can;t rememer which one).

Each wolf has the full set of killing abilities, but there isa heirarchy to the wolves. I am in teh middle of the three remaining wolves. If I submit an order to kill and the one below me does as well, then my action goes. If the head wolf and I both submit kills, then mine is negated.

I can only kill people in my own group. I do not know if the head wolf's kills are limited is such a way.

We got lucky with the GE kill as a seer. Totally lucky. Before, that, it was looking bad for the wolves after BK gave you guys the team/wolf lists. I was the Lupus wolf, JE was the whatever wolf but there were just two of them left, and then the other wolf was 1 in 6. Since he's almost told you, SnDvls is the 1 in 6 wolf, and the head wolf too. I will not out the third wolf yet, without his say so - he was our convert, but you know he's either KWhit or path because he voted Swaggs yesterday. Both are considered quasi-safe, so they each made tempting conversion targets.

I honestly don't know if we even have another conversion or not. I dout we do though, because it would have been used. I never had the ability to convert - just to scan and kill.

We thought that BK screwed us when he announced one night that everybody who had a night action would get one, so we thought it was free killing tme with the wolves, and he apologized for the poor wording of his phrase, because we just got the one kill.

I think we did pretty good taking out Oz - using the "there must be a convert" angle as well as some dissention and bad feelings towards Oz and their deception. I think JE overplayed his hand and was caught. He'll be a better wolf as time goes along.

That leads us to here and now. Hope this helps!


-Anxiety

[path12]

I'm the convert. It was totally accidental as I understand it, JE tried to kill me and instead I ended up a wolf. This was the night before we voted out ntn, so the original Howard had both wolves come out of the group.

We were very worried when we got put into different tribes since we were getting so much heat. Then the whole thing erupted after Alan passed the info I had given him about ITC into the public thread......I was ready to get voted out then (I wasn't around that night) but then as the conversation went on it became clear that JE was ending up with the most suspicion of the two of us so I had to play against him.

I'm the third in line for actions I believe. Other than that I think Anxiety has explained it pretty well.

[Alan T]

Well two questions I guess...

1) Who do each of you plan on voting for today since if what you say is true kwhit isn't a wolf and you can't vote for either him or me.

2) If path was converted the night before ntn was voted out, why did we see no wolf activity the night ntn was voted out or the next night? The timelines don't necessarily match up too well with what my expectations would be.

[path12]

1) I don't know yet.

2) I know that at least one of those nights we had confusion on actions. I was going to make a kill but one of the guys above me was still doing a search for the other wolf and that order took precedence.

[Alan T]

So I guess this means if you all are right, Sndvls also wasn't quite as loyal to his fellow Helsing members as he kept trumpeting across the entire time. He could have prevented the deaths of Pass, Gramm, Mr.W and Lathum by putting in a higher order?

[SnDvls]

So I guess this means if you all are right, Sndvls also wasn't quite as loyal to his fellow Helsing members as he kept trumpeting across the entire time. He could have prevented the deaths of Pass, Gramm, Mr.W and Lathum by putting in a higher order?

actually the only one I could have prevented was Lathum and Mr. W
RE: Lathum it was him or you to keep people off of Anxiety and you had immunity.
RE: Mr. W, I had to pick from the New Helsing tribe. He was the most expendable without outing another wolf, again no choice on this as you and St. C were also up for vote and I had to make an early decision before going to bed.

the others I was out and left the orders up to the other wolves.
I think those played out to who would keep them safe and keep you guessing who was or wasn't a wolf.

[SnDvls]

2) I know that at least one of those nights we had confusion on actions. I was going to make a kill but one of the guys above me was still doing a search for the other wolf and that order took precedence.


true, this is the night BK said we could all have night actions that Anxiety was refering to.

[Alan T]

actually the only one I could have prevented was Lathum and Mr. W
RE: Lathum it was him or you to keep people off of Anxiety and you had immunity.
RE: Mr. W, I had to pick from the New Helsing tribe. He was the most expendable without outing another wolf, again no choice on this as you and St. C were also up for vote and I had to make an early decision before going to bed.

the others I was out and left the orders up to the other wolves.
I think those played out to who would keep them safe and keep you guessing who was or wasn't a wolf.

Why not kill kwhit last night?

[SnDvls]

Why not kill kwhit last night?

It would have totally outted Anxiety and by leaving them both it allowed doubt

[Alan T]

It would have totally outted Anxiety and by leaving them both it allowed doubt

Not sure where doubt matters if the wolves have the numbers, and both Kwhit and I were immune today from the vote. Since you couldn't vote Kwhit or i out today, but you could vote lathum out today I don't understand that move.

If what you say is true, the move would have been to night kill kwhit last night, day vote lathum today and then just beat me in the challenge and you're golden.

My guess is one of two things is true here:

1) All four of you are wolves and you're all not being fully honest with me

2) Some didn't think things all the way through here.

Either way it doesn't matter as if Kwhit is good and I'm good, it still would be 3-2 and we couldn't push our own agenda. So all it means is either you all are lying or you just delayed your wolf victory (if there is one) by a day.

[SnDvls]

Not sure where doubt matters if the wolves have the numbers, and both Kwhit and I were immune today from the vote. Since you couldn't vote Kwhit or i out today, but you could vote lathum out today I don't understand that move.


it mattered before you knew who path was.

if you still thought it was a villager majority then the next vote would be either a pairing of you and I or Kwhit/Anxiety

[Alan T]

Just out of curiosity, can you all night kill each other? Like what will you all do once the villagers are all dead? If you can night kill each other, does it mean that whoever sndvls wants to night kill takes priority and everyone else is at his mercy?

If you can't night kill each other, among the wolves, who all do you think has played the best game and deserves to "win" as the survivor and why?

[Alan T]

it mattered before you knew who path was.

if you still thought it was a villager majority then the next vote would be either a pairing of you and I or Kwhit/Anxiety

Ahh, I guess I was pretty open with my belief that today would be a wolf majority. I guess I just wasn't sure if it was 3-2 or 4-1 today is all (Not sure if I still feel convinced one way or another even.)

I'm pretty sure you all would have assumed that I would have continued on my same track as before considering I knew I wasn't lying about the list. If I honestly felt it was a villager majority (which I didn't), I would have still gone Anxiety -> Sndvls -> Path -> Kwhit in that order.

For me, the only chance I felt I had was trying to bluff and keep Lathum alive with the hope it would be 3-3 today and we could force a stalemate.

[SnDvls]

I'm probally getting voted out anyhow, althogh it doesn't make sense for anyone to do that.

at this point I'm pretty sure I don't have your vote (Alan) or Lathum's
so anyone going into the final two with me will probally win. I'm in a lose lose situation here now any way you put it.

[SnDvls]

Alan vote for me I'm going down was just told path and Anxiety have cut a deal behind my back.

[SnDvls]

Ahh, I guess I was pretty open with my belief that today would be a wolf majority. I guess I just wasn't sure if it was 3-2 or 4-1 today is all (Not sure if I still feel convinced one way or another even.)

I'm pretty sure you all would have assumed that I would have continued on my same track as before considering I knew I wasn't lying about the list. If I honestly felt it was a villager majority (which I didn't), I would have still gone Anxiety -> Sndvls -> Path -> Kwhit in that order.

For me, the only chance I felt I had was trying to bluff and keep Lathum alive with the hope it would be 3-3 today and we could force a stalemate.

BTW. I called your bluff on the Lathum deal and sent myself to do the kill.

if I couldn't choose myself for best wolf I'd have to say path at this point of the other wolves.

[SnDvls]

Alan vote for me I'm going down was just told path and Anxiety have cut a deal behind my back.

except it would really suck if I won immunity for them though.

[Alan T]

I'm probally getting voted out anyhow, althogh it doesn't make sense for anyone to do that.

at this point I'm pretty sure I don't have your vote (Alan) or Lathum's
so anyone going into the final two with me will probally win. I'm in a lose lose situation here now any way you put it.


Well I guess thats partially why I want the wolf's opinions on who they thought played the best game. I thought there were some good wolf moves especially what happened when the howard tribe reformed. The fact that the last two people left in that tribe (Anxiety and Kwhit) should have been the first two people voted out is just mind boggling to me.

I think a few things along the way had fooled me, such as I had thought Grammaticus was the Helsing wolf until he died. At that point I went back and forth on Lathum vs Sndvls and finally convinced myself that it likely was Sndvls (as you probably remember me turning around and changing my mind on that a few days ago).

I didn't have a great feel for the Lupus tribe, but you probably remember that somewhere along the way I felt that Swaggs was ok. I think I suspected Anxiety the most out of them.

I never really figured that ITC was the convert, and the way St.cronin was setup I had to believe he wasn't either. I really had no idea who the convert was.

THe Howard tribe I honestly didnt think ntndeacon or marathoner were there wolf. I just didn't feel it was worth going after them until we took care of Lupus. Unfortunatly the villagers spun their wheels so much they instead went after hunches with Oz or elsewhere instead of doing the mathematically smart thing..

So I think there were some good games played by some of the wolves, but more so some than others. I am curious to hear who the wolves thought helped them the most.

[Alan T]

except it would really suck if I won immunity for them though.

Immunity won't save you today though if they plan on voting you out today.

Out of curiosity who are you going to vote for? If you think Path played the best game, will you be voting for Anxiety?

[Alan T]

dola, I'm still hoping I win immunity again today. I would love to get in the final two some how miraculously :)

[SnDvls]

I started the convert talk with my question in that I said there were 3 NOW I had to plant that seed early and I was lucky Mr. W didn't pick the same question as me or it would have been over for me.

I actually scanned you (Alan) the first time I could then choose JE and he had converted Path the same night. I then found Anxiety the following night.

[SnDvls]

Immunity won't save you today though if they plan on voting you out today.

Out of curiosity who are you going to vote for? If you think Path played the best game, will you be voting for Anxiety?

I haven't decided yet actually

probally leaning towards voting Anxiety as path gave me the info that a deal was cut.

[SnDvls]

I started the convert talk with my question in that I said there were 3 NOW I had to plant that seed early and I was lucky Mr. W didn't pick the same question as me or it would have been over for me.

I actually scanned you (Alan) the first time I could then choose JE and he had converted Path the same night. I then found Anxiety the following night.

this could have ended the game for me BTW if Mr.W had picked the same question as me.

[Lorena]

Felicidades Alan!!!!!!!

Elena... nice exotic name :)

[Alan T]

I started the convert talk with my question in that I said there were 3 NOW I had to plant that seed early and I was lucky Mr. W didn't pick the same question as me or it would have been over for me.

I actually scanned you (Alan) the first time I could then choose JE and he had converted Path the same night. I then found Anxiety the following night.


Why wouldn't Gramm have seen 2 wolves in Howard since it happened after ntn was voted out?

[SnDvls]

Why wouldn't Gramm have seen 2 wolves in Howard since it happened after ntn was voted out?

his question was answered 1st then the conversion

[Alan T]

I'm the convert. It was totally accidental as I understand it, JE tried to kill me and instead I ended up a wolf. This was the night before we voted out ntn, so the original Howard had both wolves come out of the group.

We were very worried when we got put into different tribes since we were getting so much heat. Then the whole thing erupted after Alan passed the info I had given him about ITC into the public thread......I was ready to get voted out then (I wasn't around that night) but then as the conversation went on it became clear that JE was ending up with the most suspicion of the two of us so I had to play against him.

I'm the third in line for actions I believe. Other than that I think Anxiety has explained it pretty well.

Kinda hard to have happened second if Path was converted the night before.

[SnDvls]

Kinda hard to have happened second if Path was converted the night before.

it happened on the 2nd night I was in the game for sure

I scanned you for a wolf on night 1. couldn't kill anyone as we had won immunity every night and I could only kill in my tribe at that point.

we then won the bid challenge and got to ask questions
BK answered our questions...that night JE converted path
I scanned JE and found them both.

[Alan T]

I don't think it was answered earlier, can wolves night kill each other?

[SnDvls]

I don't think it was answered earlier, can wolves night kill each other?

I believe the answer is yes, but me being the Alpha wolf I can overrule them

[SnDvls]

Alan and Kwhit - here's the deal

vote out Anxiety today
I'll take 3rd and you two can battle out for 1st.

[Alan T]

Alan and Kwhit - here's the deal

vote out Anxiety today
I'll take 3rd and you two can battle out for 1st.

I'd be willing to do this. I would be afraid of being double crossed, but my way to address that would be in the tribal council. I don't really have any better options staring me in the face right now.

[SnDvls]

I'd be willing to do this. I would be afraid of being double crossed, but my way to address that would be in the tribal council. I don't really have any better options staring me in the face right now.

I've got no other option right now. I'm gone and won't win no matter what.

[SnDvls]

alan- don't say it here, but think back to my 1st time doing the bids and how I came up with my bids. if you remember you can at least tie me tonight or figure out how I'm bidding.

[path12]

You know what, if you have such a problem with the fact that I cut a deal first, you should vote me out tonight rather than Anxiety. I told you that out of a desire to be fair to a teammate and not to stab you in the back. It would have been very easy for me to say sure, we've got a deal and then just renege on it.

But I'm the one who cut the deal first. So don't punish Anxiety for it. Alan has succeeded in splitting the wolves. I knew I shouldn't have come out with this today. My mistake.

[path12]

And after that, you and Anxiety can team up and get to the finals. I mean, what the hell's the point of being a wolf if you're gonna toss the game to the villagers?

[SnDvls]

too late I've made my vote and my deal w/ Alan

if Kwhit chooses to be in it great if not I'm gone anyhow
this allows me to keep my deal with Helsing that I had from
day 1.

[path12]

An alpha wolf does not throw the game to the village. Period.

[path12]

Fuck, this pisses me off. I should have stabbed you in the back.

[SnDvls]

sorry man I waffled in the small game and hurt the villagers big time.

I guess we'll see if you are true to what you are telling me or with the deal you made with Anxiety.

I'm in a lose/lose game right now. I have to vote Anxiety

[Alan T]

I still have a nagging feeling that there is something going on with this behind the scenes where I am getting played. I'm doing it though as its my only real good option. My intentions weren't necessarily to play the wolves against each other as much as just helping everyone realize that its really close to survivor only mode and you'll be against each other anyways.

I might be getting set up here, but without other options, I'm doing it. If I am getting set up or double crossed, I'll show my return in the final jury vote.

Part of me still thinks Jonathan wasn't the wolf at all and Kwhit was the convert, with Path as the Howard wolf. THen in the final two a wolf heavy jury will vote for the fellow wolf. :)

Maybe I am just pessamistic or paranoid by nature though.

[path12]

sorry man I waffled in the small game and hurt the villagers big time.

You are not a villager here. You are a wolf. We don't WANT the village to win, remember?

[path12]

I've got to run in about 5 minutes. Sn, I've PM'd you. Let's keep this out of thread and the three of us talk before deadline.

[SnDvls]

You are not a villager here. You are a wolf. We don't WANT the village to win, remember?


this is Survivor

[Alan T]

I've got to run in about 5 minutes. Sn, I've PM'd you. Let's keep this out of thread and the three of us talk before deadline.


Thats no fun :) What can I possibly do to you all if I know your plan in this thread? At least let me be a spectator :)

[Abe Sargent]

Sent in my vote and my bids.

[Abe Sargent]

I still have a nagging feeling that there is something going on with this behind the scenes where I am getting played. I'm doing it though as its my only real good option. My intentions weren't necessarily to play the wolves against each other as much as just helping everyone realize that its really close to survivor only mode and you'll be against each other anyways.

I might be getting set up here, but without other options, I'm doing it. If I am getting set up or double crossed, I'll show my return in the final jury vote.

Part of me still thinks Jonathan wasn't the wolf at all and Kwhit was the convert, with Path as the Howard wolf. THen in the final two a wolf heavy jury will vote for the fellow wolf. :)

Maybe I am just pessamistic or paranoid by nature though.



Then vote elsewhere. Remember, I was the one who gave you the wolf info first, with a very detailed post. So you agreed to vote my way :) Not vote for me :(.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

alan - I'm sticking to the original plan voting Anxiety

[Alan T]

I'm going to be upfront and say what I'm doing here. I'm going to vote for Anxiety. I think he wasn't completely honest with what he said, but I do enjoy that he and Path and Sndvls all did share some of the behind the scenes. Its been really interesting to see what all has gone on this game (even if not necessarily all of it may be true right now). I think there has been some pretty good plays made this game by your group and you all masterfally took down really large groups of trust just by playing people's emotions against each other.

The reason I'm voting Anxiety is because its really the only way I can get by tommorrow at all. For me to even reach the end at this point is a very long shot, and mostly I'm still here because I've managed to have a nice long streak of immunity. If there is some big plot behind the scenes or some big trick to pull on me, so be it. I'm probably not any worse off than before. If Anxiety was completely honest and told the complete truth, then i have no problem if he doesn't choose to support my quest to win the entire game. In all honesty my thoughts of getting past tommorrow much less in the final two were slim to none.

I still don't see a great chance in what is a 3-2 Wolf advantage or even 4-1 wolf advantage over me. I'm fighting for my life though, and this is the only life saver that I can see around me.

Just figured I would let you know my plans. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Very disappointing since you said you would help someone out by viting with them if they revealed as much as possible. Sure, its WW and all, and people can lie, and I titally understand the lying bit, but still, its very disappointing to me that you would renege on an offer you made.

I make it a rule to lie about as few things as possible in WW. If I'm role revealing about being a wolf, no sense holding anything back.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Especially since you are turning away from someone who trusted you and trusting someone, SnDvls, who did not trust you.


-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Especially since you are turning away from someone who trusted you and trusting someone, SnDvls, who did not trust you.


-Anxiety

I've never not trusted Alan. I've always trusted him and now I'm putting total trust in him as he is to me...Helsing to the end

[Abe Sargent]

path - SnDvls has not agreed with our plan and is voting me still. Are you willing to hope our two votes to him?

[path12]

I have offered to vote myself. Apparently that is not allowed. Alan or KWhit, I would like for you to switch your vote from Anxiety to me.

[Abe Sargent]

I've never not trusted Alan. I've always trusted him and now I'm putting total trust in him as he is to me...Helsing to the end

Untrue, as revealed earlier today when he asked for info, and you did not give it to him. I gave it to him. Doesn't matter now, obviously.

[path12]

path - SnDvls has not agreed with our plan and is voting me still. Are you willing to hope our two votes to him?

If it comes down to it, yes. I refuse to vote you over this.

[Abe Sargent]

And I was willing to trust someone who ran me ragged last game, because I thought he was trustworthy. Ah well. Guess I learn.

[SnDvls]

Untrue, as revealed earlier today when he asked for info, and you did not give it to him. I gave it to him. Doesn't matter now, obviously.

no I said I wasn't going to offer up anyone else and would let you all out yourselves

once that happened I let the info flow

[Abe Sargent]

Besides, AlanT, do you honestly beleive SnDvls is actually angling to not make the final two? What's his plan? Vot eme off tonight, he kills path durign the evening, and then allows you two to vote him off tomorrow? Do you honestly think he doesn;t have some ace up his sleeve, some power as the head wolf or some trick available to him?

[Alan T]

Besides, AlanT, do you honestly beleive SnDvls is actually angling to not make the final two? What's his plan? Vot eme off tonight, he kills path durign the evening, and then allows you two to vote him off tomorrow? Do you honestly think he doesn;t have some ace up his sleeve, some power as the head wolf or some trick available to him?

I've pretty much already said I assumed I could easily be double crossed. But without doing this, I still end up being voted out tommorrow easily if that is the will of the wolves left. I'm really going to find it interesting what will happen from here on out. Since the final two not only have to worry about getting to the final 2 people, but also how they get there in a way to win votes from the jury at the end.

Coming in to today I highly doubted I would make the final two or even win. Now I just doubt it. At least thats an upgrade :) I still don't think any of you are being openly honest with me, but I do have to say today was alot more fun to read than it could have been if you all kept it all in.

Like I said if you were honest about everything Anxiety, and I make the final two I fully understand if you don't choose to vote me the winner. However if you wern't fully honest with me, then well guess you didn't meet my conditions for my vote anyways! :)

[Abe Sargent]

I've pretty much already said I assumed I could easily be double crossed. But without doing this, I still end up being voted out tommorrow easily if that is the will of the wolves left. I'm really going to find it interesting what will happen from here on out. Since the final two not only have to worry about getting to the final 2 people, but also how they get there in a way to win votes from the jury at the end.

Coming in to today I highly doubted I would make the final two or even win. Now I just doubt it. At least thats an upgrade :) I still don't think any of you are being openly honest with me, but I do have to say today was alot more fun to read than it could have been if you all kept it all in.

Like I said if you were honest about everything Anxiety, and I make the final two I fully understand if you don't choose to vote me the winner. However if you wern't fully honest with me, then well guess you didn't meet my conditions for my vote anyways! :)


No, you don;t get voted out tomorrow if you vote SnDvls with me and path. That leaves me, path, you and Kwhit - an even 2-2 split and I can't night kill either of you tonight (immunity) so you cannot be surrounded by wolves tomorrow. This gives you the best chance of an even split, and tomorrow we have either four (2-2) or three if I were to kill path. Those are the only two options. You do NOT die tomorrow by wolves if you vote SnDvls, don;t you see?

[SnDvls]

No, you don;t get voted out tomorrow if you vote SnDvls with me and path. That leaves me, path, you and Kwhit - an even 2-2 split and I can't night kill either of you tonight (immunity) so you cannot be surrounded by wolves tomorrow. This gives you the best chance of an even split, and tomorrow we have either four (2-2) or three if I were to kill path. Those are the only two options. You do NOT die tomorrow by wolves if you vote SnDvls, don;t you see?

I can't kill them either so the same applies to me...they have immunity

[Abe Sargent]

I can't kill them either so the same applies to me...they have immunity

Yes, but your plan is based around your claim that you are happy to end up third. Noone at this stage wants that, everybody is angling for top two. So why would you make that claim? What hidden ability do you have? A duke power to bounce the vote? The ability to pierce immuntiy once during the game? Immunity from death by lynching the first time? Who knows? You are the head wolf, and that normally comes with extra powers. As such, it seems very false for you to claim you are just tryign to get third. There is not difference between third and fifth, so if you are certain you carent' going to make it to final two, and you no longer care, then why are you still trying? It's blatently obvious you have somethign up your sleeve.

[SnDvls]

Yes, but your plan is based around your claim that you are happy to end up third. Noone at this stage wants that, everybody is angling for top two. So why would you make that claim? What hidden ability do you have? A duke power to bounce the vote? The ability to pierce immuntiy once during the game? Immunity from death by lynching the first time? Who knows? You are the head wolf, and that normally comes with extra powers. As such, it seems very false for you to claim you are just tryign to get third. There is not difference between third and fifth, so if you are certain you carent' going to make it to final two, and you no longer care, then why are you still trying? It's blatently obvious you have somethign up your sleeve.

you are pushing way to hard so it really tells me you have something up.
you know my "power" as Alpha wolf...it's to overrule the lower wolves that's it.

[Abe Sargent]

you are pushing way to hard so it really tells me you have something up.
you know my "power" as Alpha wolf...it's to overrule the lower wolves that's it.

Yes, that I am on the chopping block, that's what it tells you, silly.

[Abe Sargent]

SnDvls - why do you keep pm'ing me. Don;t want to talk out in the open? Afreaid of what AlanT would do if he saw when you are pm'ing us?

[Abe Sargent]

Wanna know what SnDvls has been pm'ing me recently?

[Abe Sargent]

How about him telling me not to worry, that I'll "just have to trust him?" Or that he thinks because I was away from a hour (cleaning my fishtank, btw,) that I have built an alliance to take him down. Which would be immpossible since the only other perosn I can pm is path and that only makes two.

[Alan T]

Wanna know what SnDvls has been pm'ing me recently?


Sure :)

[Abe Sargent]

oh, and SnDvls is antagonizing path12 and pissing him off.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm kind of the peacekeepr wolf.

[path12]

*Sigh*

[Abe Sargent]

Here's what I'm interested in seeing. KWhit's vote. Did he log in today, is he going to swing by in the last few minutes? Is he going to miss the vote?

[Abe Sargent]

path did you go with SnDvls? If you do, then its 2-2, and whever KWhit goes, your plan can continue.

[Alan T]

Here's what I'm interested in seeing. KWhit's vote. Did he log in today, is he going to swing by in the last few minutes? Is he going to miss the vote?

He was on during one of my stop ins during the baby nap time earlier today. Since you all killed the only people I could PM with, I don't have any other info other than that :)

[Abe Sargent]

SnDvls is still pm'ing me - this time asking why I outted his pms. Funny.

[Abe Sargent]

If he doesn;t vote, we could have the first tie of the game. What happens then? Sudden death with sporks?

[Alan T]

If he doesn;t vote, we could have the first tie of the game. What happens then? Sudden death with sporks?

Naked jello wrestling

[path12]

I know KWhit was on when Sn was throwing you under the bus, so I assume that's where he's voting, but I don't know for sure.

[Abe Sargent]

TO be honest, I'd be proud to make it to the final two with either path or KWhit. KWhit and I have come a long way, one wolf and the other human. If he votes for me, then I understand, but I'd be happy to take him to the finals since it may not be possible to get two wolves there.

[path12]

The way we're melting down here, it might not be possible to get one wolf there. This is embarrassing.

[path12]

And for the record Sn, yes I am going to vote you today, and yes, you know exactly what my motivations are from my last PM to you.

[path12]

I'm kind of the peacekeepr wolf.

I missed this before. Funny.

[Abe Sargent]

Watching Lost now. Don;t want SnDvls to think I have aplan to kill him because I'll be away for an hour.

[Abe Sargent]

Heya Swaggs!

[Barkeep49]

An interesting day Survivors. Let me go count the votes.

[st.cronin]

I think when this game is over, Barkeep should just merge all the different threads together into one ginormous uberthread. It would be the most nonsensical thing ever.

[Alan T]

I think when this game is over, Barkeep should just merge all the different threads together into one ginormous uberthread. It would be the most nonsensical thing ever.


And I'm pretty sure I would have close to 1300 posts in it :eek:

[Barkeep49]

First vote:
SnDvls

[Barkeep49]

I think when this game is over, Barkeep should just merge all the different threads together into one ginormous uberthread. It would be the most nonsensical thing ever.
It would ensure that WW had the largest thread again :)

[SnDvls]

no suprise there

[Swaggs]

Heya Swaggs!

Hey Abe!

This is more entertaining than anything else that has happened in this game in the past two weeks. :)

[Barkeep49]

Second vote
SnDvls
We have 2 votes for SnDvls

[SnDvls]

Hey Abe!

This is more entertaining than anything else that has happened in this game in the past two weeks. :)

you should see the real PM's

[Barkeep49]

Third vote:
Anxiety
Two votes path, one vote Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Third vote:

Two votes path, one vote Anxiety


cool I'm off the hook now :)

[Barkeep49]

Fourth vote:
Anxiety
We have a tie. For our tie breaker, going back to the original Survivor tie breaker, the contestant with the most votes previously will be voted off. SnDvls has not received a vote before tonight. Anxiety has. Therefore, our third member of the jury is Anxiety. Anxiety, the tribe has spoken, please bring me your post button.

[SnDvls]

so did Kwhit not vote?

[Barkeep49]

Immunity results up shortly.

[Alan T]

Well I guess that answers if kwhit voted or not.

[Abe Sargent]

Good luck to path and Kwhit - see you all on the flip side.

[path12]

Thanks, Abe.

[Barkeep49]

We only had four contestants submitting a list today. The most interesting was Anxiety’s list. Anxiety simply put them in order for most valuable to least valuable. How’d that work out? We’ll find out soon. But first let’s take a look at what the lists looked like overall:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Alan T<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Path12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> I. Garouvia - 25<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 1 M. Lower Fang - 23<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Lower Fang<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> A. Greater Werewolvia - 33 - 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> M. Lower Fang - 23<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 2 N. Upper Fang -21<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Dog Ear<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> L. South Canis - 29 - 2<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 3 J. North Canis - 17<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <st1:place>North Canis</st1:place><o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> I. Garouvia - 25 - 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> D. Fleabit Cove - 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 4 H. Lupinia - 16<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Dogbonia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> M. Lower Fang - 23 - 4<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> E. Dogbonia - 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 5 G. Homidia - 15<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Upper Fang<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> N. Upper Fang -21 - 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> F. Dog Ear - 12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 6 B. Middle Werewolvia - 14<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Alponia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20 - 6<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> G. Homidia - 15<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 7 O. Alpovia - 13 <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Garouvia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> K. <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>Lake</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName>Wolfsbane</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - 18 - 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> H. Lupinia - 16<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 8 F. Dog Ear - 12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Middle Werewolvia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> J. North Canis - 17 - 8<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> A. Greater Werewolvia - 33<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 9 D. Fleabit Cove - 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Greater Werewolvia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> H. Lupinia - 16 - 9<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> B. Middle Werewolvia - 14<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 10 E. Dogbonia - 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Lupinia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> G. Homidia - 15 - 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> J. North Canis - 17<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 11 A. Greater Werewolvia - 33<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <st1:place>South Canis</st1:place><o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> B. Middle Werewolvia - 14 - 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> K. <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>Lake</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName>Wolfsbane</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - 18<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 12 L. South Canis - 29<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Lk Wolfsbane<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> O. Alpovia - 13 - 12 <o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> L. South Canis - 29<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 13 <st1:place>I.</st1:place> Garouvia - 25<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Lesser Werewolvia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> F. Dog Ear - 12 - 13<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> N. Upper Fang -21<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 14 C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Fleabit Cove<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> D. Fleabit Cove - 11 - 14<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> O. Alpovia - 13 <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 15 K. <st1:place>Lake</st1:place> Wolfsbane - 18<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Hominia <o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> E. Dogbonia - 10 - 15<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
This meant that we had Survivors win the following provinces:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Alan T<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Path12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> I. Garouvia - 25<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Lower Fang<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Lower Fang<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> A. Greater Werewolvia - 33 - 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 2 N. Upper Fang -21<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Dog Ear<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> L. South Canis - 29 - 2<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 3 J. North Canis - 17<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <st1:place>North Canis</st1:place><o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> K. <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>Lake</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName>Wolfsbane</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - 18 - 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> D. Fleabit Cove - 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 4 H. Lupinia - 16<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> Dogbonia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 5 G. Homidia - 15<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 6 B. Middle Werewolvia - 14<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> Alponia<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
And so our scoreboard looks like this:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Alan T<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Path12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 64.5pt; height: 13.5pt;" width="86"> Anxiety<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 25<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 12.5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 12.5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 33<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 20<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 21<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 12<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 29<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 11<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 8.5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 8.5<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 18<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 16<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 10<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 24pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 15<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> 13<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 24pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 35.25pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> 14<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 35.25pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 56<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 87<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 56<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 80<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
Alan rolls on in with yet another immunity victory. Congrats to him. See everyone back here tomorrow morning

[Alan T]

well that helps

[Abe Sargent]

Hey, I got second with that!

[Barkeep49]

Hey, I got second with that!
I know. I think if KWhit had submitted results you'd have won.

[SnDvls]

so is there a consequence for missing the vote?

[Barkeep49]

so is there a consequence for missing the vote?
Yes.

[Lathum]

why do things get interesting AFTER I get killed.

[KWhit]

Hey guys. I have been sick as a dog for the past 3 days with the flu. Yesterday was a really bad day. At one point last night my fever got so high I passed out.

Sorry about missing the vote.

[Alan T]

Sorry you aren't feeling well Kwhit :(

[Barkeep49]

Today's challenge is taking me slightly longer than expected to prep. Combined with the fact that I'm working from the library instead of home, I'm a little behind schedule.

[Barkeep49]

Welcome back Survivors. I see that you all made it through the night unscathed. Well done.

Today is going to ask you to play that classic game of strategy, masculinity, and bluffing: poker. Specifically we're going to be playing Chinese Poker.

In a moment you will receive a PM with 3 deals. Each deal will have 13 cards. For each hand you need to arrange the cards into a 5 card "back" hand, a 5 card "middle" hand and a 3 card "front" hand. The back hand must be the best hand, followed by the middle and then the front hand.

We then compare each of your hands to each of the hands of the other players, one at a time (front hand to front hand, middle to middle, and front to front). For each hand of yours that is better you get 1 point. For each hand that is worse you lose 1 point.

We're going to play 3 deals.

For a more complete set of instructions look at:
http://www.pagat.com/partition/pusoy.html

For more information on the rankings of poker hands see:
http://www.thepokerforum.com/pokerhands.htm

Player with the most points is guaranteed a place in the final two, assuming of course that they survive today's vote.

Hands should be PM'ed to me by 10 PM.

[Barkeep49]

All PMs have been sent.

[Alan T]

Yeah I figured we wouldn't see a death last night. :)

Even if folks wern't honest all the way, at least it was a good show :)

[Alan T]

I bet Lathum is dissapointed to have missed the poker challenge

[Lathum]

I bet Lathum is dissapointed to have missed the poker challenge

grrrr.

I am offering my expert services in exchange for favors in future games.

I kid.

[SnDvls]

too bad today's challenge doesn't offer up a lot of discussion for us in here today.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I'll give you a heads-up match in Chineese poker if you are interested.

[Lathum]

Lathum, I'll give you a heads-up match in Chineese poker if you are interested.

ok.


ummm how?

[Alan T]

So ...


Who is everyone voting for today? Path, Sndvls, Kwhit?

[Alan T]

Since Path is still alive, obviously Sndvls didn't honor his part of the agreement. So one of the two is likely:

1) Kwhit is a wolf, and Path, Kwhit, Lathum have to vote for a wolf today and it doesn't really matter whom.

2) Kwhit isn't a wolf, and Path + Sndvls will be voting for him today.

So Kwhit if you aren't a wolf, your only good vote today is Sndvls. The bad news for you is even if I choose to help you out here, you'll be eaten by Path tonight I bet.

[SnDvls]

Since Path is still alive, obviously Sndvls didn't honor his part of the agreement. So one of the two is likely:


wasn't allowed to night kill a wolf....so

[Lathum]

Since Path is still alive, obviously Sndvls didn't honor his part of the agreement. So one of the two is likely:

1) Kwhit is a wolf, and Path, Kwhit, Lathum have to vote for a wolf today and it doesn't really matter whom.



ummm, I'm dead.

[Alan T]

ummm, I'm dead.

Yeah, meant Sndvls there. I'm tired :(

[st.cronin]

ummm, I'm dead.

I'm still planning to vote for you.

[Alan T]

Well it seems like today people don't want to talk as much about who they are voting for.

The way I see things working out are one of the possibilities:

1) The Wolf agressive - Sndvls and Path vote together to remove Kwhit, no night kill tonight and they hope I don't win another immunity challenge for them to vote me off tommorrow. I have two possible scenerios to survive through this:

a) Kwhit and I both vote for the same person to tie things up, and the person Kwhit and I vote for have more previous votes than Kwhit does. Problem is I have no idea how many previous votes Kwhit or Path has, and Sndvls only has 2 previous votes.

b) I win immunity challenge again today, and don't have to worry about it. Honestly though, how many challenges in a row can I expect to win? THis is probably unlikely.

----

2) The Path Gambit - If Sndvls was lying about not being able to kill a wolf last night, he can still finish off Path later. Path could put a stop to it by doublecrossing Sndvls today to vote him off, then kill Kwhit tonight assuring his place in the finals.

a) Sndvls could technically do the same thing in return however. Its the only sure way Path or Sndvls have to reach the finals for sure right now. As if I win another immunity challenge, its my choice of which will go to the final 2 and not theirs after today.


---------

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

Vote Lathum


:mad:

[KWhit]

Since Path is still alive, obviously Sndvls didn't honor his part of the agreement. So one of the two is likely:

1) Kwhit is a wolf, and Path, Kwhit, Lathum have to vote for a wolf today and it doesn't really matter whom.

2) Kwhit isn't a wolf, and Path + Sndvls will be voting for him today.

So Kwhit if you aren't a wolf, your only good vote today is Sndvls. The bad news for you is even if I choose to help you out here, you'll be eaten by Path tonight I bet.


I'm not a wolf. Vote with me on SnDvls.

Vote Sndvls

(I have to vote in this thread since I missed last night's vote.)

[Barkeep49]

Let me go count the votes.

[Barkeep49]

In a surprise first vote:
Sndvls

[Barkeep49]

Second vote:
KWhit

[Barkeep49]

Third vote:
Kwhit
Two votes Kwhit, one vote SnDvls

[Barkeep49]

Fourth vote:
SnDvls
We have a 2-2 tie. As KWhit has no previous votes against him and SnDvls does, SnDvls has been voted out. The tribe has spoken. Please bring me your post button.

[SnDvls]

thanks for keeping your word Path I appriciate it

[SnDvls]

Great game BK
this has been the most fun game of WW I've ever played

[Barkeep49]

Well today’s challenge asked our players to play some poker. They were each dealt 13 cards on 3 separate deals. For the first deal we had the following hands:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 93.75pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="125"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3d, 3h, 3s, 6c, 6d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Full House 3s full of 6s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 8h, 9s, 10h, Jh, Qs<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Q high straight<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ks, 10d, 4c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> King High<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4h, 4d, 4s, 5d, 5c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Full House 5s full of 4s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2s, Js, 7s, 6s, 10s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 10 high flush<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Ah, 9h, Qc<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Ace high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Ad Qd 9d 8d 2d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Ace high flush<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 10c 10s Jc 5s 3c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 10s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7d 7h 5h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ac 9c 8c 7c 2c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> A high flush<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kh Kc 8s 2h 6h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ks<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> As Qh Jd<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ace high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
This gave us a scoreboard of:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
SnDvls goes out to a commanding lead. But will it hold? For our second deal we had hands which looked like this:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 98.25pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="131"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7h, 7c, 7d, 3h, 3s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7s full of 3s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Qh, Qs, 5h, 5c, 6d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2 pair: Qs and 6s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ks, 10d, 4h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> King high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2c, 4c, Qc, 6c, 8c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Qigh high flush<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 10h, 10s, 2h, 5d, 6h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Pair of 10s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ah, 9d, 8s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ace high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Jh Js Jc Jd 9s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Four of a kind<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kh Kd Kc 5s 3d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3 of a kind<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ad 10c 2s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ace high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> As Ac 9h 9c Qd<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2 pair As 9s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 8d 8h 6s 3c 2d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 8s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7s 4s 4d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
Our scoring for this round was:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
Our immunity challenge monster, Alan, comes roaring back. It goes down to the wire with our third deal:
<o:p> </o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 97.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="130"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 10s, Jd, Qd, Kd, Ah<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ace high straight<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 8c, 8s, 2h, 2s, 6d<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2 pair 8s and 6s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> As, 7s, 3c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ace high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 8h, 6h, Qh, 10h, 4h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Queen high flush<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2d, 3d, 5d, 4c, 6s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 6 high straight<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Js, Jc, 10c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Pair of Jacks<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ac Ad 9d 9s 3s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 2 pair Aces and 9s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kh Kc 8d 6c 5h<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kings<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4d 4s Qc<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 4s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 7c 7h 7d 5c 6s<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Full House 7s full of 5s<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Ks Qs Jh 10d 9c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> King high straight<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 9h 3h 2c<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 9 high<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
SnDvls has another great set of hands and with the points from this round
<o:p> </o:p>
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</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> Sndvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> <o:p> </o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Alan<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -1<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 3<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> x<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> 5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
pulls off an overall victory. Our final scoreboard was:
<o:p> </o:p>
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</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 49.5pt; height: 12.75pt;" width="66"> 1<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> Kwhit<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> -3<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> Path<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 12.75pt;"> -5<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 13.5pt;"> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> SnDvls<o:p></o:p>
</td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; height: 13.5pt;"> 7<o:p></o:p>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <o:p> </o:p>
Of course, as we just saw, SnDvls was voted out. Thus SnDvls, in a bittersweet victory, wins. Of course as the tribe has spoken and voted him out, no one gains the coveted final two spot. Night actions may not be submitted. I would like to run them early if possible, so for anyone with a night action please let me know if you're thinking about changing your mind when I get your action.

[Barkeep49]

Great game BK
this has been the most fun game of WW I've ever played
Thanks. I think you are officially our expert game theorist. Between the political round and now today you've shown your expertise with game theory in an impressive manner.

[SnDvls]

Of course, as we just saw, SnDvls was voted out. Thus SnDvls, in a bittersweet victory, wins. Of course as the tribe has spoken and voted him out, no one gains the coveted final two spot. Night actions may not be submitted. I would like to run them early if possible, so for anyone with a night action please let me know if you're thinking about changing your mind when I get your action.
very bittersweet as I knew I had this one in the bag w/ my last hand
oh well good luck all. at least I prevented anyone from getting in the final two via the back door :D

[path12]

Down to three. No matter what happens, congratulations guys.

[path12]

very bittersweet as I knew I had this one in the bag w/ my last hand
oh well good luck all. at least I prevented anyone from getting in the final two via the back door :D

You did well. Happy to be on your team.....well, except for that one night.... ;)

[SnDvls]

You did well. Happy to be on your team.....well, except for that one night.... ;)

I'll comment on this after the game :)

[Barkeep49]

Sounds of screaming are heard. The remaining Survivors run from their tents and find:

KWhit. Dead.

With only two Survivors left we can enter the final tribal council. In this TC, the Survivors will have to justify why THEY should be voted THE Ultimate Survivor. Here's how it's going to work. Any player who played in this game is allowed to make a short statement and ask a question to the Survivors. These questions must be asked by 10 PM tomorrow. Our Survivors then have until 6 PM on Sunday to answer these questions. While this question and answering period is going on our Jury will be voting. The jury is made up of:
Lathum
Anxiety
Swaggs
KWhit
SnDvls

By sometime between 10 PM Friday and 10 PM Sunday they need to PM me with the person who they want to be named THE Ultimate Survivor. In other words you are voting FOR the person you want to win. Results will go up shortly after 10 PM on Sunday.

Congrats to path and Alan for making it this far. It's fitting that we have 1 wolf and 1 villager left after all that has happened.

[Alan T]

Looks like its going to be a fun end!

[path12]

Kind of our own little Face the Board.

[Barkeep49]

Path and Alan may also make any other statements they wish to try and persuade the jury.

[Barkeep49]

Kind of our own little Face the Board.
Yeah I thought of that parallel.

[Alan T]

Well, first I would like to say that I thought Path played a very good game. Out of all of the wolves, he was the one I had the hardest time trying to pinpoint my feelings on. I won't feel ashamed at all if you feel he deserves the nod over me. I feel this game has been an excellent game, and I enjoyed it alot. Some of the challenges I enjoyed more than others but it was quite interesting trying to pick your alliances as you go.

As for why I feel that I deserve to win? Well.. I don't know that I can say I played mountains better than Path, I think he did great. I don't feel bad about my game at all though. I feel that I worked extremely hard on every challenge the entire time, and I am honestly amazed that I got to this point. I think luck had some part to do with it, but I have to guess if not for all the immunities along the way I never would have been here.

I think I was pretty up front with my reasons for why I did everything the entire time, even when some people feel that I was incorrect or did not agree with my aproach. I never once back stabbed anyone this game and even when I planned on voting for people I was up front and explained the reasons why.

The most interesting day for me was yesterday when I had to choose how I could possibly make it this far. I ended up probably making Anxiety upset with my vote and am guessing he won't vote for me because of it.. but I feel still to this point if I had not won another immunity, it could have very easily cost me a chance in the final 2.

I guess I just feel that I played an all around strong game and would happily put my play this game with anyone else. I think I played Werewolf when needed to, and played Survivor when needed to. Like I said though, I also think Path as well as many others played great too. I enjoyed the game alot and I won't have any shame finishing second if that is the jury's choice.

I would happily answer any questions people may have for me.

[Tyrith]

Thus goes the man that got to play the game I wanted to play... :P

[path12]

As for me, I'd again like to congratulate Alan on another well played game. He is always a formidable player and is one of my favorite people to play with here, if for no other reason than the fact that he is always so into the game (though there are plenty more reasons than that).

I'm not great at tooting my own horn, so I don't really know that I'm going to be able to try and sway anyone to vote for me over Alan or not. Besides, you all were here and saw the game. I believe you are all in a far better position to make this decision than either of us.

I will say that I was happy with my play. I really enjoyed my teammates both in Howard and my wolf pack. Agreed, some of the challenges were more appealing than others, but for the most part I enjoyed them and worked hard to try and win them for my team. The thing I'm probably most proud of is the fact that I was under a lot of suspicion after the first merge, yet was able to play my way into a position of being generally (if not fully) trusted.

So, it's been a lot of fun, and I certainly want to thank Barkeep for all the hard work he's put into it. I'll be happy to answer your questions and I will be satisfied no matter what the verdict.

[Swaggs]

(Do we ask questions here or send to BK?)

(Wait... Does that count as my question? Crap!)

[st.cronin]

My question: What's in my pocket right now?

[path12]

My question: What's in my pocket right now?

18 cents, a paper clip, and some lint.

[Alan T]

My question: What's in my pocket right now?

I hope that is a roll of quarters.

[Barkeep49]

(Do we ask questions here or send to BK?)

(Wait... Does that count as my question? Crap!)
Just post it right here.

[Raiders Army]

To both of you: What was your key play in the game?

[Alan T]

To both of you: What was your key play in the game?


I think its hard for me to narrow down one point in the game which was a key play for me. The only time I was under the gun for a vote during the game was when it was me vs St.Cronin, and looking back at it now, the wolves obviously were happier voting out Cronin than me in that situation. I guess the one play that was made that I think got me here the most was the last day vote giving kwhit a hint where my vote was. If Kwhit and I hadn't voted together, he would have been voted out there and I the next day (since I lost the last immunity challenge).

[SnDvls]

Okay I have two questions for each of you. The first, beign the standard Survivor question that is asked on each season. 1) Why shouldn't your opponent win this game? and 2) What move in this game did you do that you wish you could take back and change?

Remember I could have taken either of you out at some point in this game so your answers to these questions will play a major part in where my vote goes.

[Alan T]

Okay I have two questions for each of you. The first, beign the standard Survivor question that is asked on each season. 1) Why shouldn't your opponent win this game? and 2) What move in this game did you do that you wish you could take back and change?

Remember I could have taken either of you out at some point in this game so your answers to these questions will play a major part in where my vote goes.

Well my answer for #1 is that I don't see any reason why Path shouldn't win the game. From what I saw of his play this game, he played an excellent game and I didn't see many or any flaws in his game. I wouldn't be dissapointed at all if that is the direction the jury went. I feel he put in alot of time, effort and excellent play into this game.

For #2 For a while I wanted to take back the revealing of "the list" as it ended up ineffective. However now I don't think that play really made much of a difference in the end of things. So I guess the one play I wish I could take back was when I goofed and gave info that Path had said in the Helsing thread. It opened the door up to allow the wolves a chance to once again turn the votes away from Lupus and Howard members instead to an Oz member that had 0% chance of being an original wolf and a Helsing member (me) that had a 16% chance of being an original wolf. I think I messed that one up badly, and Jonathan + Path took advantage of it.

[st.cronin]

My short statement:

ALAN T in '08

[Swaggs]

Alright, I have separate questions for each player:

Alan, I had told you all along that I thought Anxiety was a wolf, but you never really gave me a chance in the new Helsing tribe. Why should I choose you over Path?

Path, I am assuming you had a chance to choose who your final two opponent would be, so why did you pick Alan T. (who had dominated the individual challenges and played a strong overall game) over KWhit (who played a solid, but unremarkable game)?

[Alan T]

Alright, I have separate questions for each player:

Alan, I had told you all along that I thought Anxiety was a wolf, but you never really gave me a chance in the new Helsing tribe. Why should I choose you over Path?

Path, I am assuming you had a chance to choose who your final two opponent would be, so why did you pick Alan T. (who had dominated the individual challenges and played a strong overall game) over KWhit (who played a solid, but unremarkable game)?

The honest answer for you Swaggs is probably because of a desire to not grow attachment to you if that made sense. The entire time before the tribes reformed even, I felt we had to eliminate players in the direction most likely to get a wolf. At the start it was the 33% chance we had in Lupus followed by the 50% chance in Howard.

I grew frustrated with the Howard tribe continuing to remove Oz players and completely ignore those from Howard or Lupus, and I didn't want to make the same "mistake". From the remerge of the tribes when you joined, I had you set in my mind as my first target to remove. I did not want to give myself a reason to start doubting my move or move away from the mathematically sound play to one of just gut instinct.

The funny part here I guess is that the mathematically sound play would have removed you first then Path next meaning first a villager then a wolf second. I guess for you, one thing to remember is that when the tribes reformed again (as I never had an opportunity to vote you out prior), I suddenly changed my target from being you to you + Anxiety.

I don't know without the list if I would have gone for you first or Anxiety first, but if you remember, by the last days of the reformed helsing tribe, I think I had pretty much talked myself into you possibly being good. Once I got the information that seemed to point to you likely being good, I tried my best to do what I could to save you but I failed there.

It wasn't anything personal obviously, I just at the time felt (and still do feel) that the best route at the point would have been targeting Lupus and Howard members. In our tribe it would have been 1 villager kill and 1 wolf kill, in the other tribe it would have been 1 villager kill and 2 wolf kills. THat would have net resulted in 2 villagers and 3 wolves killed.

[KWhit]

Third place?

I can live with that.

[KWhit]

Here's a question (2 actually) for you guys:

What was your favorite challenge and why? And which was your least favorite and why?

[ImTheCrew]

8th place, Oh well Oz left its mark on me in the End

i have only one question and its for Path and i think it been asked but to make sure why Alan T over Kwhit????

[KWhit]

8th place, Oh well Oz left its mark on me in the End

i have only one question and its for Path and i think it been asked but to make sure why Alan T over Kwhit????

Because everybody loves me and would vote for me.

:)

[KWhit]

And I'm hopped up on codeine so live is wonderful!

[KWhit]

And I'm hopped up on codeine so live is wonderful!

Life is wonderful. Not live, you dumbass.

[Alan T]

Here's a question (2 actually) for you guys:

What was your favorite challenge and why? And which was your least favorite and why?


My favorite challenge probably was the 2 truths and one lie challenge. I enjoyed the teamwork from the people on Helsing to try to figure it out, and I also found it fun learning about people along the way.

My least favorite challenge was probably the phrase unscramble. That game was the devil.

[Raiders Army]

Just an AAR comment: maybe the asking questions part should be done via a chatroom. Then we can see how fast they type their responses, both players can see in real-time what the others are saying, etc. I think there's a certain advantage to seeing what your opponent's answer is and then providing your own at your leisure.

[SnDvls]

Just an AAR comment: maybe the asking questions part should be done via a chatroom. Then we can see how fast they type their responses, both players can see in real-time what the others are saying, etc. I think there's a certain advantage to seeing what your opponent's answer is and then providing your own at your leisure.

Maybe BK should of had us PM him or them the questions and then they PM back the responses once both are in then post it that way.

EX. I PM path & Alan my questions and once both PM me back I post my question and their responses to them at the same time.

[SnDvls]

dola - it's too late now anyhow though.

[Abe Sargent]

I already know who I'm voting for, no need for questions. Can I send in my vote now?

[Tyrith]

My question is for path. What the heck happened between all the wolves at the end there? You really should have had two wolves in the final, but you all seemed to melt down, so I'd like your explanation.

[Lathum]

Path- I fully expect I am voting for Alan. Change my mind by pointing out why Alan shouldn't win, NOT why you should.

[SnDvls]

Path- I fully expect I am voting for Alan. Change my mind by pointing out why Alan shouldn't win, NOT why you should.

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

[Lathum]

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

why. you think you're cooler then me or something?

[Barkeep49]

Thanks to everyone for the questions. Path and Alan may continue to answer them as the weekend goes on. Members of the jury, please let me know your votes sometime this weekend by Sunday at 10 PM.

Thanks!

[SnDvls]

why. you think you're cooler then me or something?

well since you asked..yes I am cooler ;)

I had already asked it before you and Alan has answered it already, still waiting on path though.

[Lathum]

well since you asked..yes I am cooler ;)

I had already asked it before you and Alan has answered it already, still waiting on path though.

you wanna fight?

[KWhit]

This could be good. A textsim-werewolf-playing-geek-fight!

[SnDvls]

you wanna fight?

uhh...ok...but I don't fight fair

[path12]

I'm out of town and haven't had a chance to access until now. Catching up.

[path12]

To both of you: What was your key play in the game?

I guess for me it was my response to when JE pressed Alan about how we knew about ITC being under heat. I didn't blame him at all for doing what he did because it was certain we would have to play against each other at some point, and in fact was going to let it go and likely get voted off. However as the discussion developed JE started to get more questions and so I decided to play back. That unfortunately got JE lynched but it also got me trusted. Right after that I sided against St.Cronin in the vote between he and Alan which also played against what Alan thought I would have done as a wolf and increased my trust level. I don't think I was seriously mentioned as a vote possibllity after that.

[path12]

Okay I have two questions for each of you. The first, beign the standard Survivor question that is asked on each season. 1) Why shouldn't your opponent win this game? and 2) What move in this game did you do that you wish you could take back and change?

Remember I could have taken either of you out at some point in this game so your answers to these questions will play a major part in where my vote goes.

1) I can't answer that question. Alan always drives a lot of conversation, won a bunch of challenges to keep himself alive, did a lot of work in the team challenges. We both played good games, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

2) My big mistake this game was the situation with you and Anxiety at the end. I felt sure that I had pissed you off enough that you were going to toss the game to the villagers and I was sick about it. I did everything I could to try and repair that but it was a huge mistake. We should have gotten together as a team and decided how to play that.

[path12]

Alright, I have separate questions for each player:

Alan, I had told you all along that I thought Anxiety was a wolf, but you never really gave me a chance in the new Helsing tribe. Why should I choose you over Path?

Path, I am assuming you had a chance to choose who your final two opponent would be, so why did you pick Alan T. (who had dominated the individual challenges and played a strong overall game) over KWhit (who played a solid, but unremarkable game)?

Truth is that I would have killed Alan the last night but he still had immunity (it lasted through the vote and into the night). Only choice I had was KWhit.

[path12]

Here's a question (2 actually) for you guys:

What was your favorite challenge and why? And which was your least favorite and why?

My favorite by far was the poetry challenge for a couple reasons. First, I enjoy writing and even though poetry isn't my deal it was a lot of fun to try and come up with the different forms. Second, the original Howard tribe got along very well I thought and that was the day more than any other where we were all into it and really had a lot of fun bouncing ideas off of each other.

My least favorite was the wiki. Count me in the group that had that feel like a book report, plus most of us are FM players and didn't have much if any experience in the sims that were available. In the end we completely failed that one.

[path12]

8th place, Oh well Oz left its mark on me in the End

i have only one question and its for Path and i think it been asked but to make sure why Alan T over Kwhit????

Yeah, my actual night order was kill Alan if I could but if not then KWhit.

[path12]

My question is for path. What the heck happened between all the wolves at the end there? You really should have had two wolves in the final, but you all seemed to melt down, so I'd like your explanation.

Basically, we couldn't vote for KWhit or Alan. I PM'd Anxiety privately asking if he wanted to form an alliance, mainly just because I know him better and I feel that we kind of see the game the same way. He agreed. A couple of hours later SnDvls PM'd me asking to form an alliance. I didn't want to lie to a fellow wolf, so I told him straight up that I had already cut a deal. He was understandably upset and you all saw what followed. I offered myself up to have Sn and Abe move forward but Barkeep told me that I couldn't vote for myself.

It was a blunder on my part not to openly discuss between the three of us and fortunately Sn was gracious enough to understand and after it was all over we moved forward as a team. We couldn't remember if KWhit had prior votes on him, we were hopeful he had since we were pretty sure it was going to be 2-2 that final day.

[path12]

Path- I fully expect I am voting for Alan. Change my mind by pointing out why Alan shouldn't win, NOT why you should.

Because Alan got you killed earlier by winning immunity? ;)

[Lathum]

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

[Alan T]

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

I make a general rule to never get in a fist fight with a man that has big tatoos.

[SnDvls]

I make a general rule to never get in a fist fight with a man that has big tatoos.

So I guess you aren't fighting either of us then

[Alan T]

So I guess you aren't fighting either of us then


I'm a lover, not a fighter? :)

[KWhit]

I'm a lover, not a fighter? :)

You just won my vote, flyboy.

[Lathum]

You may have just lost mine. There is no room for lovers on Survivor.

[path12]

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

Beating up an old man? Cold....... :D

[Barkeep49]

I am going to go get the votes. The person who has received 3 votes will be named our FOFC Werewolf Survivor.

[Barkeep49]

First vote
alant

[st.cronin]

Go go Alan T!

[Barkeep49]

Second vote:
path
We are tied at vote a piece. 3 votes makes for a winner.

[Barkeep49]

Third vote:
Path
Path takes the lead with two votes.

[Lathum]

you know what would be cool, if barkep waited 9 minutes between each vote so there would be some suspense about who won.

[Barkeep49]

Fourth vote:
alan
And we're tied at two. One vote left. Who'll it be for?

[Barkeep49]

The final vote
Alan T
Congrats to Alan for his victory! You are FOFC's Werewolf Sole Survivor!

[Lathum]

congrats alant on a well played game

[Abe Sargent]

Early feedback: When we started, just three days in the month had passed. At the end, there are just three days left in the month. It essentially took an entire month. It really felt like it at times too.

Definitely a marathon.

[Barkeep49]

Early feedback: When we started, just three days in the month had passed. At the end, there are just three days left in the month. It essentially took an entire month. It really felt like it at times too.

Definitely a marathon.
It was indeed a 3 week game :) and that's a fair comment to make.

All threads have been restored. Feel free to read them at your leisure. There's some good stuff in there and a lot of mundane stuff as well.

[Abe Sargent]

I just want to know what AE posted in them :)

[path12]

Congrats Alan. Well done. Thanks again to Barkeep and everyone else.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I'm sure BK was frustrated by us at times. Thanks BK!

[st.cronin]

I think this is more about me than Barkeep, but more often in his games than in other complex games do I find myself just totally baffled. There were several points in the game that I just couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do.

It was definitely a successful game, overall, but it was one which definitively did not play to my strengths and likes.

[Barkeep49]

cronin: I have to admit that this surprises me. You clearly were baffled at the start of the game and that surprised me. While it was not a typical WW game, I didn't think of it as complex. I mean actually the WW part of it is BY far the most straight forward of any of my large games. So I guess what I'm saying is: you're dumber than I thought :D

[Tyrith]

I think the game was a fun concept, and the idea was certainly an interesting twist. The challenges were generally interesting, albeit largely from an outsider's perspective. Overall the game was run well, and BK deserves mad props for keeping the game afloat with all the crap that happened.

That said, I have a few critiques. I did not like how the players were largely clueless as to what was going on. Even during the brief time I was playing it rapidly became frustrating. And as Anxiety mentioned, the game just dragged on a long time, and after so long it's hard to stay engaged -- this also seemed to come up during the last really long game, Tombstone. The game would probably also have had more impact if it hadn't come right after another crazy game.

I dunno. I was having fun at least until the giant mess started.

[st.cronin]

cronin: I have to admit that this surprises me. You clearly were baffled at the start of the game and that surprised me. While it was not a typical WW game, I didn't think of it as complex. I mean actually the WW part of it is BY far the most straight forward of any of my large games. So I guess what I'm saying is: you're dumber than I thought :D

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. :)

Seriously, I think in this game part of it came from not knowing anything about Survivor. So the concepts of, for example, Challenge and Immunity were completely alien to me. I don't know if I'm the only one in that boat, or not.

But, I also remember in one of your games a long time ago, that most of the analysis went right over my head, and and in another game I had to work very hard to keep up. So I think there's some part of the mind that your games are designed to appeal to, and my mind is just not very developed in that respect.

I did enjoy this game, once the werewolf part of it came into play. That part was fun.

[Abe Sargent]

I can;t say anything about AlanT's next large game, but mine is after that, and it will have areturn to simpler mechanics. It will be, mechanically, my easiest game outside of small games that I've done. It will be complex in non-mechanical ways, though :)

I think there were times when we as players let BK down by not really participating in challenges (the wiki one, ie). To be fair, BK was always upfront about the game, but I still think a lot of players expected more WW and less survivor.

I thought BK did as well as one could under the circumstances, however, I doubt I'll play in any future survivor/WW hyrbid games. It just never felt right.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

One of the reasons I think the game lasted as long as it did was because of the limitations put on the wolves. Since we could only kill members of our own tribe, it didn't make sense to take anyone out (especially those of us in the smaller tribes) until much later in the game.

A minor complaint I have was in the very first challenge. Since two tribes had the benefit of having an extra member, there was no way Howard or Lupus was going to avoid being in the bottom two of that first challenge. By both of us losing a member right away, that put us at a serious disadvantage for the rest of the game, and it was something that we had to fight the entire game.

All in all, though, I really enjoyed this game, and I thank Barkeep for running it.

[Tyrith]

The wolf thing really surprised me. If I had remained in the game it was my intention to begin tearing into my tribemates either the night I left or the next night. Although in the end I think the lack of wolf activity really helped the wolves in the long run becuase if left the villagers so confused.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Oh, and congrats to Alan for winning.



Path, you were robbed!!! ;)

[st.cronin]

Somebody please explain RA's play to me. It made no sense to me then, makes no sense now.

[st.cronin]

Also, were the wolves in communication from the start or not?

[Tyrith]

No. As alpha, I had no idea who else was a wolf. All I could do was search for another wolf, kill, or pass the action down the chain.

[Raiders Army]

Congrats AlanT.

Question for the other wolves: What did you think when it came out that I told my tribe what we could do?

[Barkeep49]

Also, were the wolves in communication from the start or not?
No. Only once they found each other which basically all happened at once.

[Raiders Army]

Somebody please explain RA's play to me. It made no sense to me then, makes no sense now.

What didn't make sense? I told you the truth. I came out to help our tribe.