WW LXV-- Enter the CUBICLE (GAME OVER! See Post #1625 For Final Game Post)

[The Jackal]

Problem is, fink could just be a department worker who's been busy and hasn't checked in. That happens a lot, and then all this finger pointing leads to nothing. But I sort of agree with heinze, it's somewhat better to lynch an inactive villager that you hope is a wolf.

[RendeR]

Come on kids, I am not a wolf, I have no real value other than keeping the numbers up in the cubicles for the good guys. Lynch me if you really feel you must, but it gains us nothing. long term it could cost us the win.

[claphamsa]

UNVOTE SNDVLS

VOTE FINK

purely self preservation here. I have to force a tie. Lets see who moves next. Do they save me? Do they same Fink? Since I tied it, if they save Fink, methinks we find a wolf in the vote.

i htink with 6 for you and 6 fot fink the odds we get no wolfes in either is somewhere between 0 and my chances with lyndsy lohan!

[Passacaglia]

i htink with 6 for you and 6 fot fink the odds we get no wolfes in either is somewhere between 0 and my chances with lyndsy lohan!

So the odds of getting no wolves is 0 -- i.e. we will definitely get a wolf?

[mauchow]

Is there some kind of argument that's tempted you? I don't even think finkster has shown up since you said that's what would cause you to switch.

I was pretty much 50/50 on who to vote for. I like the way Heinz thinks and if he is a fellow plain worker then he'd be the first person I'd follow, to be honest. He's a good player from what I've seen(aside from his luck). No big basis, really.

[RendeR]

*gooses Farrah*

"Hey darlin, lets you and mo go check out the copy room, hell it might be my last night here, and your last best hope for......."

[claphamsa]

So the odds of getting no wolves is 0 -- i.e. we will definitely get a wolf?
12 people voting..... 18 active players...... a minimum of one of those 12 will be a wolf,..... thats all.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

*gooses Farrah*

"Hey darlin, lets you and mo go check out the copy room, hell it might be my last night here, and your last best hope for......."

Sexual harrassment. I haven't voted yet....ballsy.

[st.cronin]

thats how i read it tooooooo but how about lycnh a wold AND get info??????????????????????????????????????????????

If you see a way to do this, I'm all for it.

[RendeR]

Sexual harrassment. I haven't voted yet....ballsy.


Hey I'm just a working "Stiff", You want some Scotch?

[The Jackal]

If you see a way to do this, I'm all for it.

I think clap is saying that having votes on different people generates info, at the very least voting patterns, whereas everyone voting for one person doesn't show much as far as voting patterns go, so even if it was a wolf (which would be great), nothing would be revealed about anyone else.

But the other thing is, yeah, if people feel strongly about who are wolves, they should vote for those people, not others just to make votes close.

[mauchow]

I miss out on Farrah in the copier room AND the closet during the wedding. This blows!

[claphamsa]

its easy cronin, just dont all pile on........


I have nothing wrong with lynching render.....

but at least try and disceren some patterns!

and I just realized that my spell checker does not work on this site for some reason! :(
If you see a way to do this, I'm all for it.

[claphamsa]

unvote latham
vote render.....

[mauchow]

Another tie?

[st.cronin]

I think Render is in the lead, by 1 or 2. Let me update my count...

[Alan T]

I think Render is in the lead, by 1 or 2. Let me update my count...

I think its actually a tie, but fink hasn't done his self preservation vote yet (which I assume will happen eventually) , so technically Render by 1

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Alright I've thrown my vote away when it was tied before. Raiders Army wasn't so happy last time, so I'm going to give Arlie the benefit of the doubt here.

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

unvote latham
vote render.....



ok you broke the tie, give us a reason, why me over Fink?

[The Jackal]

I think its actually a tie, but fink hasn't done his self preservation vote yet (which I assume will happen eventually) , so technically Render by 1

He has less than half an hour, I don't know if thats an assumption we can make anymore.

[The Jackal]

ok you broke the tie, give us a reason, why me over Fink?

Yes I'd like to hear about that too.

[st.cronin]

Render (7)-- Arles (361), Mr. Wednesday (396), oliegirl (403), mauboy1 (408), Passacaglia (410), claphamsa (514), Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (518)
finkenst (6)-- jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), SnDvls (489), Render (491)
Lathum (1)-- bsak16 (395)
SnDvls (1)-- ntndeacon (392)
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (1)-- st.cronin (346)
jeheinz72 (1)-- Alan T (349)

[RendeR]

Same for you Farrah, why me over Fink? And don't you dare complain about the copy room, I KNOW you enjoyed that!

[st.cronin]

Anybody know the tiebreaker rules?

[claphamsa]

Alright I've thrown my vote away when it was tied before. Raiders Army wasn't so happy last time, so I'm going to give Arlie the benefit of the doubt here.

VOTE RENDER
homer!!!!

[Alan T]

He has less than half an hour, I don't know if thats an assumption we can make anymore.

I haven't played WW before with him, so wasn't sure how into it he gets. I've been on a bit of a break from it for a few months. I wouldn't assume he was going to miss the vote when his butt is on the line unless he was the type who kind of zoned out when they got a meaningless role and no one really to warn him. I've seen a few players like that before. I've learned though with WW never assume anything, as anything can happen even in the last few minutes.

[st.cronin]

not voted: finkenst, Schmidty

[claphamsa]

ok you broke the tie, give us a reason, why me over Fink?
your around... Ill give him one day to show up and say something. life happens sometime. if he doesnt make an impact tommorow I will gladly vote him.

and you made me look bad a coupel games ago :mad:

[Mr. Wednesday]

Anybody know the tiebreaker rules?

Keep in mind that a supposed tie isn't, necessarily. (And consequently, it's not necessarily bad to have a tie.)

[RendeR]

Here's hoping Fink is a temp.....

[Schmidty]

This sucks. I don't think any of this analysis means crap, and I don't really have a reason to vote for anyone.

[RendeR]

your around... Ill give him one day to show up and say something. life happens sometime. if he doesnt make an impact tommorow I will gladly vote him.

and you made me look bad a coupel games ago :mad:


You? man I make everyone look bad. ShiiiiiiiiT, The difference in this office between you and me? I make this suit look GOOOD!

[st.cronin]

Keep in mind that a supposed tie isn't, necessarily. (And consequently, it's not necessarily bad to have a tie.)

What does this mean?

From the rules:

Any ties will be broken with a hidden mechanism.

[The Jackal]

This sucks. I don't think any of this analysis means crap, and I don't really have a reason to vote for anyone.

I hear that. The first few days are really about luck. Then when you get to the last few days, hopefully you've knocked off at least one baddie, and that's when vote histories -sometimes- and i stress the sometimes, lead to other baddies.

[RendeR]

What does this mean?

From the rules:


it means there are people who automatically have -1 or +1 vote for them already, before voting begins, so an obvious tie, may NOT be an actual one.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Same for you Farrah, why me over Fink? And don't you dare complain about the copy room, I KNOW you enjoyed that!

I quite enjoyed the copy room, and I will smack down anyone who daresay otherwise. :D

I didn't want to throw my vote away again. I've done so in just about every WW vote I've had. Arlie presented well reasoned and somewhat convincing arguments.

I will say this - if he was wrong, I'm voting to lynch him next. He obviously didn't learn his lesson the last time, and deserves to get beaten.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Temps have a hidden vote on them, the boss's buddies start with a hidden vote in their favor. In the event of an apparent tie, if it's a boss's buddy (the "good" roles) vs. someone else, it actually won't be a tie and the non-buddy will get tossed.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

This sucks. I don't think any of this analysis means crap, and I don't really have a reason to vote for anyone.

Why don't you think it means anything?

[RendeR]

I quite enjoyed the copy room, and I will smack down anyone who daresay otherwise. :D

I didn't want to throw my vote away again. I've done so in just about every WW vote I've had. Arlie presented well reasoned and somewhat convincing arguments.

I will say this - if he was wrong, I'm voting to lynch him next. He obviously didn't learn his lesson the last time, and deserves to get beaten.



I thinkI'm in Luuuuuuuuvvvvv.

[The Jackal]

Meh, you clearly don't know how to romance a lady. It's about the supply closet, not the copy room. Everyone knows that. Or the elevator that "accidentally" stalls.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I've read everything, but still have no idea who to vote for.

I have 15 minutes. Can anyone give me a short, concise pitch regarding my target?

[RendeR]

Meh, you clearly don't know how to romance a lady. It's about the supply closet, not the copy room. Everyone knows that. Or the elevator that "accidentally" stalls.


You poor poor lacky of a man, do you not realize the power of a machine operating under a woman's arse?


its all about the GOOOOOOD Vib-rations....my friend....

[The Jackal]

Ok, I've read everything, but still have no idea who to vote for.

I have 15 minutes. Can anyone give me a short, concise pitch regarding my target?

I think it depends on whether you believe Render and whether you think fink's lack of activity warrants a lynch. There isn't much as far as solid information goes.

[Alan T]

Ok, I've read everything, but still have no idea who to vote for.

I have 15 minutes. Can anyone give me a short, concise pitch regarding my target?


Arlie gave some reasoning (I don't remember any of it) why he felt Render was a good choice based on day 1 voting behavior.

Fink is a popular choice due to not having shown up today and a throw away vote yesterday.

If you vote Fink, it ends in a tie (as far as we know), and we are at the mercy of a tiebreaker. If you vote Render, he pretty surely gets fired.

[The Jackal]

You poor poor lacky of a man, do you not realize the power of a machine operating under a woman's arse?


its all about the GOOOOOOD Vib-rations....my friend....

I don't need a machine to do my work for me. :cool:

[st.cronin]

Ok, I've read everything, but still have no idea who to vote for.

I have 15 minutes. Can anyone give me a short, concise pitch regarding my target?

Wish I could.

[Passacaglia]

So...is fink going to show up?

[Schmidty]

Why don't you think it means anything?

Because we have one day of "stats", and 10,000 groups (I love hyperbole) out to get each other. I've played many, many games, and one thing I've always noticed is that 90% of the time in the first 3 days, the "analysis" done by people is less analysis and more "save-my-own-ass-sysis" (good guys and bad).

[RendeR]

I don't need a machine to do my work for me. :cool:


Work? see this is why you fail so badly, its not work, its a pleasure, especially with Farrah, she's one fine piece of......







*runs*

[Alan T]

"save-my-own-ass-sysis"

It usually doesnt take me long to remember why I like playing with Schmidty in these. :)

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I don't need a machine to do my work for me. :cool:

:eek:


Ouch

[oliegirl]

I don't need a machine to do my work for me. :cool:

Oh it doesn't do the work, just enhances everything a little...god bless the washing machine during the spin cycle! ;)

[The Jackal]

Work? see this is why you fail so badly, its not work, its a pleasure, especially with Farrah, she's one fine piece of......







*runs*

You misunderstand - I'm sure that machine would feel nice for the ladies, but it'd never hold a candle to my ministrations.

Back to the topic at hand, 10 minutes to go. I don't think I'm going to change my vote off fink.

[RendeR]

It usually doesnt take me long to remember why I like playing with Schmidty in these. :)


HE does sum things up pretty well doesn't he?


Schmidty, its easy really, if you want to guarentee a lynch, ANY lynch, vote for me and it should be done.

If you want to find out more about Fink, vote for him as it will force a tie and we'll see if there is anything happening.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Work? see this is why you fail so badly, its not work, its a pleasure, especially with Farrah, she's one fine piece of......







*runs*

Yes, yes I am. :cool:

[RendeR]

Oh it doesn't do the work, just enhances everything a little...god bless the washing machine during the spin cycle! ;)


"How YOU doin'?"

[st.cronin]

I don't need a machine to do my work for me. :cool:

I don't need a calculator to do my math, but man it sure makes it easier. I'm a lazy dood.

[Chief Rum]

Day 2 Count (as of post #558)

Render (7)-- Arles (361), Mr. Wednesday (396), oliegirl (403), mauboy1 (408), Passacaglia (410), claphamsa (514), Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (518)
finkenst (6)-- jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), SnDvls (489), Render (491)
Lathum (1)-- bsak16 (395)
SnDvls (1)-- ntndeacon (392)
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (1)-- st.cronin (346)
jeheinz72 (1)-- Alan T (349)

Not Voted: finkenst, Schmidty


Here's what I am showing right now.

[The Jackal]

I wouldn't be surprised if both of you are regular schmoes, or maybe one temp, and that the wolves are laying low - but here's hoping the one that gets the axe is a bad one.

[mauchow]

I want to stir things up by switching my vote.. but then that would cause more trouble, perhaps.

[RendeR]

Yes, yes I am. :cool:


I am putty in your velvety soft fingertips mah dahling......

[claphamsa]

so what are the odds that alrie builds in a huge negative for anyone named render in V2?

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

"How YOU doin'?"

VOTE RE....

oh wait. Already did. :)

[claphamsa]

I no longer suspect you of being a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11





I don't need a calculator to do my math, but man it sure makes it easier. I'm a lazy dood.

[Lathum]

I wish people would move off render.

I would rather have the active player around.

[RendeR]

I'm going to steal Farrah away to my castle in ze mountains and lavish her with jewels and gowns of silks, rub her down with ...well..whatever she wants.

[The Jackal]

As always, the basis for your insight is flawless, clap. :D

[Passacaglia]

I wish people would move off render.

I would rather have the active player around.

I can't help but agree.

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE FINKENST

[Schmidty]

HE does sum things up pretty well doesn't he?


Schmidty, its easy really, if you want to guarentee a lynch, ANY lynch, vote for me and it should be done.

If you want to find out more about Fink, vote for him as it will force a tie and we'll see if there is anything happening.


I don't feel good about either vote.

1. I have no feeling as to whether you're good or bad.
2. If I vote for Fink based on his absentia, I'm a hypocrite.

If I vote for Fink, I cause a tie, which sucks. If I vote for Render, I lynch someone I have no idea about.

Blah. One second.

[The Jackal]

I wish people would move off render.

I would rather have the active player around.

Agreed. He'd still be very high on the suspect list, if not at the top for tomorrow.

[RendeR]

I wish people would move off render.

I would rather have the active player around.


YEAH! there's a damn good reason to vote Fink!


VOTE FINK

VOTE FINK

VOTE FINK






i got nothin.

[oliegirl]

"How YOU doin'?"

Oh, I'm fabulous...just got done picking up the boss' laundry - there were some, uh, delays...stubborn stains. Yeah...lots of stubborn stains that required multiple washes...

:D

[mauchow]

I can't help but agree.

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE FINKENST

You beat me to it... still a few minutes for me to switch.

[The Jackal]

Oh, I'm fabulous...just got done picking up the boss' laundry - there were some, uh, delays...stubborn stains. Yeah...lots of stubborn stains that required multiple washes...

:D

I like the cut of your gib.

[claphamsa]

As always, the basis for your insight is flawless, clap. :D
dont hate!!!

[mauchow]

Hey, Pass. Want to switch BACK to Render? I've got a bad feeling with you over there. LOL

[Passacaglia]

You beat me to it... still a few minutes for me to switch.

Well, there's still Schmidty's vote. If you feel like you should switch, you probably should, just in case.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I'm not going to vote Render. I don't know why. Gut? I'm putting myself out there if he's bad. I'm hoping Fink is the temp.

Vote Fink

[Lathum]

we still need one more vote on fink to be sure

[RendeR]

Cmon farrah, change yer vote and keep me around, I'll let you scan YOUR ass in the copier next time.....

[The Jackal]

dont hate!!!

Hey, I remember that game where your instincts led to at least two people going down, I'm willing to trust them to an extent.. sometimes.

[Passacaglia]

Hey, Pass. Want to switch BACK to Render? I've got a bad feeling with you over there. LOL

Not really. I don't have much on either of these guys, and was looking at them both. If fink isn't going to play, I don't mind voting him, of the two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Intentionally tying.

[RendeR]

Ok, I'm not going to vote Render. I don't know why. Gut? I'm putting myself out there if he's bad. I'm hoping Fink is the temp.

Vote Fink


yer a good coworker schmidty.

[Mr. Wednesday]

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA
VOTE RENDER

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Intentionally tying.

huh?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Tied, right?

[mauchow]

Looks liek this is the end of the road for Finkzertnenafjkge then. Lets see what the verdict is.

[RendeR]

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Intentionally tying.


Tying what? most useless throwaway vote of the night?

[mauchow]

unvote render
vote fink

[Lathum]

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Intentionally tying.

tying what?

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA
VOTE RENDER

gotcha

[RendeR]

Ahh, gotcha.

[mauchow]

Well, I hope it doesn't come to bite us(or me) in the ass.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was intentionally tying the vote, and used an intentional throwaway.

[oliegirl]

I like the cut of your gib.

What can I say...I'm a VERY loyal employee. I even managed to discover some hidden fringe benefits during new hire orientation! :p

[Passacaglia]

tying what?

i think his thought process was that if one of them had a role, the -1 would help them not get lynched

[claphamsa]

parlez vouz WTF?????????????

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Intentionally tying.

[The Jackal]

Tying what? most useless throwaway vote of the night?

That's a headscratcher. Maybe clap is a super temp with like +5 votes to start every day?

[Arles]

I got no problem with Fink or RendeR. We've only had one vote so there's not a ton of data yet. What's the count now?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, I should have been unvoting RendeR. :o

Doesn't matter, my play got screwed up by mauboy anyway. :(

As I said, a tie vote is liable to work to our benefit.

[The Jackal]

What can I say...I'm a VERY loyal employee. I even managed to discover some hidden fringe benefits during new hire orientation! :p

Looking for a dedicated intern?

[Alan T]

So many votes in the last 5 minutes there from Pass, Schmidty, Mr. W, mauboy, etc.. my head is spinning.

[claphamsa]

oh ok then :D

I was intentionally tying the vote, and used an intentional throwaway.

[RendeR]

Oh man, a Temp with the CLAP...gah...Fire him NOW!

[Chief Rum]

Deadline, duh.

Now I'm going to try to figure out what MrW was doing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The claphamsa vote was literally a throwaway vote. I didn't want to just vote nobody, but didn't have someone I wanted to put the vote onto.

[mauchow]

My thoughts are that the +1 , -1 is not a good reason to make it tied. We won't know the official final tally, I'm assuming and it doesn't benefit the workers anyways. The only people it benefits, is the wolves.. THEY get to find out who might possibly be a golf buddy.

[The Jackal]

Oh man, a Temp with the CLAP...gah...Fire him NOW!

Run girls, run! And meet me in the elevator!

[st.cronin]

Good luck to anybody trying to make sense of THAT vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Chief, I unvoted the wrong person. At the time I unvoted, I had it at 7 - 6 for RendeR, and I wanted it to be 6 - 6. But then someone voted for Tim, so I needed to put my vote back on RendeR to tie it back up.

[RendeR]

My thoughts are that the +1 , -1 is not a good reason to make it tied. We won't know the official final tally, I'm assuming and it doesn't benefit the workers anyways. The only people it benefits, is the wolves.. THEY get to find out who might possibly be a golf buddy.


Either way its better than getting rid of ME, for god's sake the coolnes factor in this office would drop by an order of MAGNITUDE!

[mauchow]

I'd stay away from anybody with CLAP in their name.

[Alan T]

Good luck to anybody trying to make sense of THAT vote.


At least it gave me an excuse to repeatedly hit F5!

[The Jackal]

He was actually unvoting Render, trying to make it a tie game, and mistyped. But it didn't matter because of the flood of vote changing.

[mauchow]

And I'm still clicking F5 for no reason anymore.. lol

[Mr. Wednesday]

My thoughts are that the +1 , -1 is not a good reason to make it tied. We won't know the official final tally, I'm assuming and it doesn't benefit the workers anyways. The only people it benefits, is the wolves.. THEY get to find out who might possibly be a golf buddy.

It benefits the workers because we don't lose one of the good roles. There's some downside, but the wolves don't really know the reason for the tiebreak either.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Either way its better than getting rid of ME, for god's sake the coolnes factor in this office would drop by an order of MAGNITUDE!

ugh. I regret ever going to the copy room.

[Arles]

There's too many wolves in this game. I fear every night is going to be musical chairs by wolves trying to position someone else to be lynched.

[Chief Rum]

The claphamsa vote was literally a throwaway vote. I didn't want to just vote nobody, but didn't have someone I wanted to put the vote onto.

Wait, when you just switched your vote (the first time), I had you on Render. But you unvoted Schmidty to vote Clap. Then you unvoted Clap to vote Render. Which puts you back where you were at anyway. Did I miss an unvote somewhere?

[RendeR]

ugh. I regret ever going to the copy room.



but...FARRAH, honey!! You said you LOVED MEEEEE*SOB*

[mauchow]

I would still consider a golf buddy a role that we wouldn't want to lose, to an extent. It gives us an advantage over a wolf in situations like this.

I need to re-read the rules to make sure I understand everything.

[Arles]

It benefits the workers because we don't lose one of the good roles. There's some downside, but the wolves don't really know the reason for the tiebreak either.
This is a good point. Of course, there's the other case where both are wolves and CR's tiebreaking logic is that both stay.

[RendeR]

I feel so USED......



wait......I've been used.....I'VE BEEN USSSSEEEED!!

[Lathum]

i think his thought process was that if one of them had a role, the -1 would help them not get lynched

and then we would know they had a role.

pretty wolfish to me

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I unvoted the wrong person. At the time I unvoted, I had it at 7 - 6 for RendeR, and I wanted it to be 6 - 6. But then someone voted for Tim, so I needed to put my vote back on RendeR to tie it back up.

Okay, so your intention at the end was to have your vote on Render, right? Just want to confirm.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

but...FARRAH, honey!! You said you LOVED MEEEEE*SOB*

I was in a period of low self esteem...rebound or something.

At least you spelled my name right. :p

[Alan T]

Wait, when you just switched your vote (the first time), I had you on Render. But you unvoted Schmidty to vote Clap. Then you unvoted Clap to vote Render. Which puts you back where you were at anyway. Did I miss an unvote somewhere?


I'm not sure that it really matters too much what Mr.W was doing as it didn't end up affecting the vote (I don't think at least).. I think Fink had enough votes that he went down regardless of the +1 -1 thing if he was a golf buddy (I might be wrong on the total there)..

I guess the only way it really matters much is if Fink or Render end up being a wolf then it is important to know he was trying to uhh.. I think save Fink? Or was he trying to save Render? I got confused there

[RendeR]

I was in a period of low self esteem...rebound or something.

At least you spelled my name right. :p



Office nookie is all about the details darlin'.

[Passacaglia]

and then we would know they had a role.

pretty wolfish to me

isn't that better than them dying outright?

[st.cronin]

and then we would know they had a role.

pretty wolfish to me

I actually had a similar idea, and I'm not a wolf. So I wouldn't say it was overly wolfish or anything.

[RendeR]

I thinkI've changed my mind, I like not having any role to deal with, it leaves me free to express my jovial fun loving, horny-toad side....

[mauchow]

unvote fink
vote render

I know its too late. But he's annoying. LOL

[path12]

and I just realized that my spell checker does not work on this site for some reason! :(

Clapham, you crack me up regularly. I'm glad you're here.

[mauchow]

And I'm kidding, RendeR.

[oliegirl]

Looking for a dedicated intern?

Tempting, but I'm going to have to pass...I'm loyal to my boytoy ;)

[Chief Rum]

Day 2 Count (Final Count)

finkenst (9)-- jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), SnDvls (489), Render (491), Passacaglia (568), Schmidty (578), mauboy1 (590)
Render (5)-- Arles (361), oliegirl (403), claphamsa (514), Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (518), Mr. Wednesday (685)
Lathum (1)-- bsak16 (395)
SnDvls (1)-- ntndeacon (392)
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (1)-- st.cronin (346)
jeheinz72 (1)-- Alan T (349)

Not Voted: finkenst


Please check to be sure, but I have this as the final vote count for Day Two.

[claphamsa]

Clapham, you crack me up regularly. I'm glad you're here.

I dont get it!!!

[The Jackal]

Little issue here guys - I'm getting a constant stream of emails with replies to this thread. I turned off email notification in my options but I'm still getting TONS of emails. I looked a second ago at my phone and there were 74 emails in my inbox. Know how to fix this?

[mauchow]

My flip didn't even matter anyways, after all.

[RendeR]

And I'm kidding, RendeR.


Uh huh, suuure. I've got a file folder full of things to do to office asshats. Keep it up buddy, just keeeeep it up. I'll getcha, ohhhh yes, just you wait, you and yer little clap too.

[mauchow]

Little issue here guys - I'm getting a constant stream of emails with replies to this thread. I turned off email notification in my options but I'm still getting TONS of emails. I looked a second ago at my phone and there were 74 emails in my inbox. Know how to fix this?

I don't know what you're talking about..

[Alan T]

Little issue here guys - I'm getting a constant stream of emails with replies to this thread. I turned off email notification in my options but I'm still getting TONS of emails. I looked a second ago at my phone and there were 74 emails in my inbox. Know how to fix this?

Just embrace it!

[The Jackal]

I don't know what you're talking about..

It says I'm subscribed to this thread, or something. Everytime I leave the site and someone posts a new reply in the thread I get an email. My gmail wouldnt even open regularly because of how many I'd gotten in the past half hour.

[RendeR]

Damn, nice vote shift there. Thanks people! I like this job!



Ok in all seriousness, time for me to go home, I got a woman in need of chocolate!

[st.cronin]

Little issue here guys - I'm getting a constant stream of emails with replies to this thread. I turned off email notification in my options but I'm still getting TONS of emails. I looked a second ago at my phone and there were 74 emails in my inbox. Know how to fix this?

It sounds like you have subscribed to the thread, which I think is a different thing than email notification. You will have to unsubscribe to the thread, I think.

[finkenst]

i got work happen to me... tonight.. oh well.

[The Jackal]

It sounds like you have subscribed to the thread, which I think is a different thing than email notification. You will have to unsubscribe to the thread, I think.

Yeah, I just saw that, thanks. Should be fixed now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wait, when you just switched your vote (the first time), I had you on Render. But you unvoted Schmidty to vote Clap. Then you unvoted Clap to vote Render. Which puts you back where you were at anyway. Did I miss an unvote somewhere?

No, you didn't miss anything. I accidentally unvoted the wrong person. I revoted because someone else put in a vote that changed the situation.

[mauchow]

It says I'm subscribed to this thread, or something. Everytime I leave the site and someone posts a new reply in the thread I get an email. My gmail wouldnt even open regularly because of how many I'd gotten in the past half hour.

lol

I was only trying to get more email sent to you. :) Sorry. I'm a jerk.

[Lathum]

Little issue here guys - I'm getting a constant stream of emails with replies to this thread. I turned off email notification in my options but I'm still getting TONS of emails. I looked a second ago at my phone and there were 74 emails in my inbox. Know how to fix this?

I may be mistaken but it will still send you messages about the threads you were in prior to turning the notification off.


You may want to PM skydog about it, he is really helpfull to werewolf players.

[Alan T]

i got work happen to me... tonight.. oh well.

Hehe no big deal. Hope you come and try another game with us soon and don't get a bad taste just from one experience. :)

Unless you're a wolf, then good riddance!

[mauchow]

DIZZY

[Chief Rum]

It's an eventful day, with lots of squabbling in hushed voices. The firings of bulletsponge and Barkeep have put everyone on edge, and the tension couldn't get much higher.

But everyone knows it doesn't end there. Who gets the axe today?

15 minutes to knock off time, finkenst gets the dreaded call. He rises and walks slowly to the Boss's office, seemingly confused that he has receievd this call. He seemed to be in a daze most of the day, though.

He slowly walks into the office, and sits down with the Boss. No one can see his face, but the slumped shoulders tell the story. Finally, he gets up, walsk out and goes to his desk. His longtime friends, the Crew, gather around him, asking him what is going on.

"You all know what's going on," he says bitterly. "Despite all the production and hard work I have put out over the years, they're letting me go, the ungrateful bastards."

No one around the office is saying a word, straining to hear every word while appearing to be interesting in, well, anything else.

"But don't worry, guys," finkenst says conspiratorially. "I may be gone, but I'm taking someone with me."

With that, he picks up his box and walks out of the office, never looking back. finkenst was a member of the Crew and a wolf!

Some want to jump for joy, but those who heard finkenst's last words actually turn back toward the office. The Boss is standing at the door. He looks about the room, looking for someone, but doesn't see him. Listening, though, he hears him and peeks down one cubicle row.

"st.cronin, come here please," the Boss harumphs. st. cronin looks up in surprise at the Boss, someone he counts as a friend. What could this be about?

This meeting lasts much longer, and the anguish on the Boss's face is clear. But what has happened is inevitable. st.cronin has been fired.

The popular st.cronin is crowded as he comes out of the office at last.

"Someone said I said I used the word "#$%!#" and "Jesus" earlier today, and that the company can't afford that kind of liability," he said despondently. "But I would never say that! I swear!"

Crestfallen, he marches out the door with his personal effects.

St.Cronin was the Gossip, a victim of wolf influence!

Today's shocking events leave everyone in a somber mood as they pack up for the night.

Tomorrow's deadline is 10 p.m. EST/7 p.m. PDT!

Role PMs going out now.

Good luck, everyone!

[The Jackal]

Well, sucks to lose the gossip, but we sure nailed a wolf.

[st.cronin]

pfft

[Passacaglia]

well, that was interesting

[Alan T]

Well mixed bag there, hate to lose Cronin.. but getting a wolf hopefully will start to shed some clues.. Time to go back and see who both was eager to kill off a rival wolf as well as who was willing to try to save them.

[claphamsa]

hmmmmm nap time!

vote lathum

[Lathum]

huge loss for us

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Damn. Was Arlie right or not?!

[Lathum]

hmmmmm nap time!

vote lathum

what the hell man!

[oliegirl]

Well I'm glad we got ourselves a wolf! Woo hoo! :)

I'm off for the night, will be on most of the day tomorrow...good work guys and girl!

[mauchow]

That's awesome news, minus the gossip. So now we've lost the gossip and observer. Not good at all, but perhaps now the wolves will try to stir something up for the opposite side so to even things up between them, IF they weren't even.

[Alan T]

hmmmmm nap time!

vote lathum


Lathum is one of the ones I was thinking about voting for too.. He seemed really eager to encourage people to vote for Fink there, Pass and Mauboy were the other two that helped push it.

After day 1 narrowly escaping lynch, and then this vote, Lathum is my top thought also.. but I kind of want to map out some of the dependancies between people first, to see if the same people helped Lathum escape that voted for Fink here. I dont think I will get to that until the morning with work thanks to my laptop being messed up tonight though.

[Schmidty]

Man, I'm glad my vote got a wolf, but it really, really hurts to lose the seer.

[path12]

Well, I think it's safe to say we've got cougars on Fink and crew on Lathum. What we don't know is whether Lathum is one of the cougars or not.

[Lathum]

c'mon Alan.

If I was a wolf would I really call all that attention to myself?

[Schmidty]

Well I'm glad we got ourselves a wolf! Woo hoo! :)

I'm off for the night, will be on most of the day tomorrow...good work guys and girl!

I just don't understand the happiness.

There are a lot of wolves (presumably), but only ONE Seer. I guess I think we should be half-happy, half-shaken. The woohoo got me, sorry.

[Lathum]

I agree with Schmidty

[The Jackal]

I just don't understand the happiness.

There are a lot of wolves (presumably), but only ONE Seer. I guess I think we should be half-happy, half-shaken. The woohoo got me, sorry.

Agreed. At this point, I think we're just lucky to have escaped that with one wolf down. Now we can hope the wolves screw with each other enough that we start taking them down like flies.

[Passacaglia]

I'm assuming olie didn't realize we lost the gossip.

[Lathum]

OK, I think clap is a member of the crew desperate to get a run started on me.

[mauchow]

I wouldn't be surprised if RendeR was also a wolf, obviously on the other team though. I'm going to sign off on this thread for the night, I think. Maybe I'll check again before I go to bed though. We'll see.

[Passacaglia]

So I'm wondering -- did cronin say something to tip the wolves off? It sure didn't seem like it to me.

[Alan T]

c'mon Alan.

If I was a wolf would I really call all that attention to myself?

Yeah.. I think you would actually..

[Schmidty]

You know, this has nothing to do with WW, but I just have to say that the Anaheim Mighty, Might, Mighty Ducks are a bunch of fucking slimeballs. Every single one of them. Even Niederdiedediederrmayer. Their coach should get suspended for encouraging goonery, and their fans should be showered with paper bags filled with flaming poop by Wing fans when the Red Wings play there (since 75% of the crowd is Wings fans anyway).

Screw you, CR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Passacaglia]

I wouldn't be surprised if RendeR was also a wolf, obviously on the other team though. I'm going to sign off on this thread for the night, I think. Maybe I'll check again before I go to bed though. We'll see.

Man it would have been crazy if after all that we were wolf-wolf. But with two different camps of wolves, I can see how that would happen. The question is, who are the wolves more concerned with -- the villagers, or each other?

[The Jackal]

You know, this has nothing to do with WW, but I just have to say that the Anaheim Mighty, Might, Mighty Ducks are a bunch of fucking slimeballs. Every single one of them. Even Niederdiedediederrmayer. Their coach should get suspended for encouraging goonery, and their fans should be showered with paper bags filled with flaming poop by Wing fans when the Red Wings play there (since 75% of the crowd is Wings fans anyway).

Screw you, CR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're just the Anaheim Ducks now. Pretty lame, and not very mighty.

[Alan T]

OK, I think clap is a member of the crew desperate to get a run started on me.

If Clap is a member of the crew (same team as fink), wanting to start a run on you (one of the people pushing for fink's firing), wouldn't that make you a likely whatever the other team is? Isn't that who we want to go for today, so one wolf team doesn't get too far in front of us and everyone else?

[Lathum]

If Clap is a member of the crew (same team as fink), wanting to start a run on you (one of the people pushing for fink's firing), wouldn't that make you a likely whatever the other team is? Isn't that who we want to go for today, so one wolf team doesn't get too far in front of us and everyone else?

no.

he wants to start a run on anyone other then one of his own ( quite possibly render)

[finkenst]

yeah.. so thanks, boss for keeping me at work all #(*$@ day and then firing my ass..


appreciate that!


(oh, well, better luck to me next time. :) )

[Alan T]

no.

he wants to start a run on anyone other then one of his own ( quite possibly render)


So you think Render, Clap and Fink are all on the same team (Crew)? And yesterday was just some horrible nightmare for them?

[Alan T]

So you think Render, Clap and Fink are all on the same team (Crew)? And yesterday was just some horrible nightmare for them?


Dola.. I don't buy that a bit.. I'm just really curious how you managed to come up with that scenerio.. I really feel you are scrambling now.

[Lathum]

Dola.. I don't buy that a bit.. I'm just really curious how you managed to come up with that scenerio.. I really feel you are scrambling now.

I know I am good and looking to make a connection somewhere.

At least I am trying to use voting patterns, what is your reason?

[Chief Rum]

You know, this has nothing to do with WW, but I just have to say that the Anaheim Mighty, Might, Mighty Ducks are a bunch of fucking slimeballs. Every single one of them. Even Niederdiedediederrmayer. Their coach should get suspended for encouraging goonery, and their fans should be showered with paper bags filled with flaming poop by Wing fans when the Red Wings play there (since 75% of the crowd is Wings fans anyway).

Screw you, CR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love you, too. :)

[Lathum]

OK, day 1 fink voted for Mr. Wednesday and left it there.

Tonight Mr. Wednesday comes in late and creats havoc?

[Chief Rum]

Role PMs have been out for some time, but I didn't get the chance to post that until now because my Internet connection is being an ass.

Also, not that they need the reminder, but today (Day Three) is officially a WOLF vs WOLF kill day.

[The Jackal]

OK, day 1 fink voted for Mr. Wednesday and left it there.

Tonight Mr. Wednesday comes in late and creats havoc?

Very interesting.

[Alan T]

I know I am good and looking to make a connection somewhere.

At least I am trying to use voting patterns, what is your reason?


I already said my reasoning so far. You were on the line day 1 and narrowly escaped death, then were a big part of Render escaping death and fink being put to death today. There were obviously others involved as well, but so far you were the one that jumped out at me at being in the middle of things both days. I said I planned on trying to see who was involved in you getting away on day 1 and how that matched up with today.

Your arguements right now also aren't making alot of sense.. You seem to claim that both Render and fink and Clap all are on the same wolf team (even though you pushed hard for people to save Render today), you claim that Clap being a part of this team is far more interested in your death than trying to get the opposing wolf team even though his team is now down to 2 people if they started with 3. I would think their urgency at this point would be a bit greater.. especially if their team is as transparent as you would have us believe.

Either way I'm not making a vote until the morning after I've had time to try to see which people have been sticking up for each other so far.

[Arles]

Here's what I think. I think there is atleast 2-3 wolves in the list that voted for Fink. The reasoning being that it would make sense for the opposing wolf faction to pile on. So, IMO, we need to now figure out who is a wolf from faction 1 and who is a worker in that list of nine. One thing we also know is that no wolves from Fink's faction would have voted for him. That means that the three other wolves had to vote for someone else.

[Alan T]

Here's what I think. I think there is atleast 2-3 wolves in the list that voted for Fink. The reasoning being that it would make sense for the opposing wolf faction to pile on. So, IMO, we need to now figure out who is a wolf from faction 1 and who is a worker in that list of nine. One thing we also know is that no wolves from Fink's faction would have voted for him. That means that the three other wolves had to vote for someone else.


With a close vote like that, I would have to assume some of Fink's team was on Render.. There was alot of movement at the deadline, since we now know it involved a wolf, I'm pretty sure people were both trying to save and condemn Fink there..

The thing we have to watch out for here is with it being a wolf kill wolf day as Chief says, if another member of Fink's team gets lynched today, and then they lose their last member tonight in the wolf vs wolf kill, its probably game over for us as the other wolf team wins.. So for today, I think we want to try to look at the people who went after Fink instead of saving him.

[Chief Rum]

Side Note

I feel this needs addressing, given the number of new players we have here.

I was asked tonight by a newer member about the communication protocol in our WW games, what is kosher, what isn't, both rules-wise and ethics-wise. I thought it would be a good idea for me to address that publically for the benefit of all newer players.

Unless expressly given permission by game rules to discuss the game out of thread, you are not allowed to talk about the game outside of the thread. I would think that's pretty clear. It can be pretty easy to break this, given most of us are friends and talk to each other about other things all the time. So it's important that everyone is careful to abide by these rules.

While this is my game, I believe that is pretty much the consensus of all WW game mods here.

Keep in mind, "communication" comes in many forms. For instance, taking an action outside of the game (like alerting someone to their impending lynch when you have no game-given communication rights with them) that is a form of communication is also forbidden, both by rules and ethics.

I hope that is clear for everyone, and if you have any questions, I and I am certain any of the other veteran WW players around here will be glad to answer questions.

[Lathum]

Alan you are putting words in my mouth.

I am not going to apologize or make excuses for norrowly escaping death day one. I am always going to do what I can to survive no matter what role I have.

How was I a big part of Render escaping death and Fink dying? I casted the fourth vote on fink, hardly damning. It was Pass and Mauboy who switched late. How was I in the middle of anything?

I never said Clap wanted to urgently kill me, I said he saw a oppritunity

I never said Clap

[Lathum]

CR, do the wolves HAVE to attempt to kill each other tonight or can they still kill a worrker if they want to?

[Chief Rum]

With a close vote like that, I would have to assume some of Fink's team was on Render.. There was alot of movement at the deadline, since we now know it involved a wolf, I'm pretty sure people were both trying to save and condemn Fink there..

The thing we have to watch out for here is with it being a wolf kill wolf day as Chief says, if another member of Fink's team gets lynched today, and then they lose their last member tonight in the wolf vs wolf kill, its probably game over for us as the other wolf team wins.. So for today, I think we want to try to look at the people who went after Fink instead of saving him.

Actually, the wolf team would also have to achieve the 1:1 ratio with the Department to achieve a Complete Victory. The game goes on until a wolf faction is eliminated AND a 1:1 ratio with the Department is achieved with the remaining wolf faction (or both wolf factions eliminated, as in the case of the Department).

[Alan T]

Actually, the wolf team would also have to achieve the 1:1 ratio with the Department to achieve a Complete Victory. The game goes on until a wolf faction is eliminated AND a 1:1 ratio with the Department is achieved with the remaining wolf faction (or both wolf factions eliminated, as in the case of the Department).

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[Alan T]

Alan you are putting words in my mouth.

I am not going to apologize or make excuses for norrowly escaping death day one. I am always going to do what I can to survive no matter what role I have.

How was I a big part of Render escaping death and Fink dying? I casted the fourth vote on fink, hardly damning. It was Pass and Mauboy who switched late. How was I in the middle of anything?

I never said Clap wanted to urgently kill me, I said he saw a oppritunity

I never said Clap

You actually were pleading for people to switch over to vote Fink, you seemed pretty involved to me..

Either way, I've been looking at day 1 vs day 2 to try to see what I could find..

Day 1, when Bullet voted for you to make it 6-5 Bullet in the lead, Fink was next to vote. He could have voted you to tie it up, and leave it up to the other two voters to decide, but he chose not to. Instead both Fink and The Jackal threw away votes on Mr.W and Jeheinz, when Mr.W comes in at the end to put it away by voting Bullet.

So based on that + your involvement in getting fink fired today, I'm feeling a little better about you right now.. Just your arguements tonight stink :cool:

Now looking at the people who were instrumental in killing off fink, the most noticable was Mauboy and Schmidty there at the end. When it is all said and done, neither of their votes ended up mattering it seems. I actually felt ok with Schmidty's play on day 1 and think tonight was Schmidty being Schmidty.. He seemed to write up his vote before even knowing the tide had switched to Fink anyways, so I'm not looking too heavily at him.

That leads to the next group, you have Render who voted for Fink which is obviously self-preservation. He would have done that as a wolf or villager, and then Pass who switched over at the same time as Render's self preservation vote.

Looking at all of the people who voted for Fink tonight, we have:

Schmidty,Mauboy1,Render,Pass,Sndvls,Lathum,The Jackal,Path,Jeheinz

Out of those, I'm thinking right now that I am ok with Lathum, Mauboy and Schmidty. Render we don't really know what he is, but his intentions for his vote can be easily explained. So that leaves:

Pass, Sndvls, The Jackal, Path, Jeheinz

I already was looking hard at the jackal and Jeheinz today.. I doubt both of them can be wolves now though. As for whom the others voted for on day 1, Pass voted for Lathum day 1, which I don't think says anything either way if Lathum is ok like I feel he is after this analysis. Sndvls also voted for Lathum, so the same thing applies there, and Path voted for Barkeep whom ended up being killed that night as a good guy..

So not alot to go on, but I think there has to be at least one wolf that voted for Fink if not more.

[Chief Rum]

CR, do the wolves HAVE to attempt to kill each other tonight or can they still kill a worrker if they want to?

Tried to answer this before, and my Internet went to shit again. Gawd, I hate you, Time Warner.

Wolves have the ability to go after each other today. But they are not required to do so.

[mauchow]

I think I'll try getting Vote Render this time around. For whatever reason, his talks as he was about to get lynched didn't strike me as too innocent. More like, defeated and just accepting it without really sounding guilty.

Like I said, I'm voting Render and as always, could change pending any other thoughts that might sway my own thoughts.

[Alan T]

I think I'll try getting Vote Render this time around. For whatever reason, his talks as he was about to get lynched didn't strike me as too innocent. More like, defeated and just accepting it without really sounding guilty.

Like I said, I'm voting Render and as always, could change pending any other thoughts that might sway my own thoughts.

You might want to move your vote on a seperate paragraph by itself with alot of white space around. Having it buried there is really easy for Chief and others to miss when trying to do the vote talley.

[mauchow]

vote render

[Alan T]

I think the analysis from day 1 led me to three people, the analysis from day 2 led me to a handful of people to look at.. Only two people end up on both lists for me.. The Jackal and Jeheinz, and due to Fink's death, I don't think they both can be wolves. I don't see any reason to vote differently from yesterday at this point.

Vote Jeheinz

[Mr. Wednesday]

Man it would have been crazy if after all that we were wolf-wolf. But with two different camps of wolves, I can see how that would happen. The question is, who are the wolves more concerned with -- the villagers, or each other?

My initial impulse for how I would want to play it as a wolf is to kill down the villagers first and then play off against the other wolf team when the villagers are at or near parity. The goal would be to try to obtain a numerical advantage and leverage that to a lead in the votes.

I'm not sure how well that would work, though... there's a bit of a prisoner's dilemma for the wolves, and at any point where they might seem to be gaining control, there will probably still be enough villagers left to unite with the opposing faction, and I don't know who wins the fight for control.

[Passacaglia]

If Clap is a member of the crew (same team as fink), wanting to start a run on you (one of the people pushing for fink's firing), wouldn't that make you a likely whatever the other team is? Isn't that who we want to go for today, so one wolf team doesn't get too far in front of us and everyone else?

What do you mean by "us and everyone else"?

[Chief Rum]

Off to work again.

Same as before. Gotta question, email me at [email protected].

If it's just to send in your action decisions, just send it to me via PM here, as I will be home for the deadline.

I will be available at that email address to answer questions until 3:30 p.m. PDT, and then I will be coming home and available to run the deadline at its normal time.

Good luck, everyone!

[Dr. Sak]

Wow...a lot of information to process from last night's vote and it is going to be hard to find a pattern. What keeps coming up in my mind is the fact that there had to be a wolf in the group that finished off Fink.

Like it was said earlier, wolfs from one group would like to get rid of the other group to achieve complete victory, so I think we need to look at the final run to lynch fink. In there has to lie a wolf.

finkenst (9)-- jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), SnDvls (489), Render (491), Passacaglia (568), Schmidty (578), mauboy1 (590)

Render (5)-- Arles (361), oliegirl (403), claphamsa (514), Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (518), Mr. Wednesday (685)

At the time it was 2-2 Jackel, Lathum, and SnDvls went after fink and later on you have Pass, Schmidty, and Mauboy going one after the other to finish him off. Two groups of three (if im not mistaken) consecutive votes. I'm not saying that all of them are wolves, but there is a good chance that there is one or two in that group.

[claphamsa]

what the hell man!

force of habit... im used to playign games where the longest standing vote is the tie breaker....

[claphamsa]

c'mon Alan.

If I was a wolf would I really call all that attention to myself?

Well, yeah, thats the way you play, if you all of a sudden clammed up we would be waaaay suspicious!

[claphamsa]

Dola.. I don't buy that a bit.. I'm just really curious how you managed to come up with that scenerio.. I really feel you are scrambling now.


BINGO! Im some lowly shmcuk

[Lathum]

force of habit... im used to playign games where the longest standing vote is the tie breaker....

well, I dunno, you could give a reason for voting me at least.

[claphamsa]

My initial impulse for how I would want to play it as a wolf is to kill down the villagers first and then play off against the other wolf team when the villagers are at or near parity. The goal would be to try to obtain a numerical advantage and leverage that to a lead in the votes.

I'm not sure how well that would work, though... there's a bit of a prisoner's dilemma for the wolves, and at any point where they might seem to be gaining control, there will probably still be enough villagers left to unite with the opposing faction, and I don't know who wins the fight for control.


I must say im really enjoying this added twist!!!

[Alan T]

What do you mean by "us and everyone else"?

I mentioned a few times last night why I felt it best for us (The villagers) to go after the team opposite Fink to try to keep one wolf team from becoming stronger than the other. If one wolf team got too far ahead then everyone else (other than that wolf team) could be in trouble.

Chief came later and clarified the rule for me that the wolves also have to have 1:1 with us to win, so it is not as dire as suggested, however I think I put together a sound place to start, which is pretty identical to what I suggested day 2. Same suspects keep popping up each day it seems.

[jeheinz72]

Just getting back online, looks like good and bad from the events of the vote. At least we got one wolf which is huge, it gives us something. Losing cronin sucks major booty though.

In re-reading one thing I noticed is really how un-worried RendeR seemed about getting lynched. It just had that vibe of "Oh don't lynch me but I"m not really worried because I know people are going to save me". Like he was more interested in goofing around in his points than trying to avoid getting lynched, since I think he knew his group of cougars wouldn't let it happen. So rather than trying to decipher which wolf saved him by voting fink, and possibly coming up incorrectly, I'm just going to...


Vote RendeR

[jeheinz72]

I think the analysis from day 1 led me to three people, the analysis from day 2 led me to a handful of people to look at.. Only two people end up on both lists for me.. The Jackal and Jeheinz, and due to Fink's death, I don't think they both can be wolves. I don't see any reason to vote differently from yesterday at this point.

Vote Jeheinz

While I see what you're getting at, don't you think it's a wee bit of a stretch that as the first voter of fink it's rather implausible to think that I would have the foresight to predict EIGHT people voting behind me for him?

I mean I get the whole wolves trying to get other wolves lynched thought, but I think you're giving me far too much credit as far as predictive abilities. We're talking a span of almost 250 posts from when I voted until the deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Now that I look a bit closer at the tally, as an office-wide strategy, I think it's fairly clear that last night was a situation of wolves getting wolves killed, wolves saving a wolf, and wolves staying the heck outta dodge. I look at the votes in 3 groups

Group 1
Those that stayed outta the way. That's the one-off votes for non-contenders, which leave 3 living people (bsak voting Lathum, ntn voting SnDvls, Alan voting for me, cronin is dead). I'd surmise there are either 5 or 7 living wolves left (3 or 4 per team) and one fish who may or may not even be a wolf yet. I think this group likely holds 1 wolf, but no more than that. So votes for this group of 3 I'd say have a 33% chance of a hit

Group 2
Those voting for Fink. This group I'd think would certainly contain cougars of course, maybe one crew in there to hide in the trenches. Let's say there are 5 living wolves, I'd say at least 2, possibly 3 of these 9 votes are wolves. So a vote in this group of 9, in my mind has a 22-33% chance of a hit

Group 3
The 5 voters who voted RendeR. I think these are likely the remaining crew members hoping to save fink and there is likely a cougar in here too to try and hide ala a crew member voting for Fink. I'd say there are 2 wolves in here, possibly 3, but let's say 2. I'd put a chance of a hit at 40% if someone were to cast a vote in this group of 5.


Now this is all predicated on it being wolf v wolf last night, which I think it was. RendeR's actions and general vibe just tell me that was the case. Right now my vote is on RendeR, since that's the simplest solution of it all. Plus with one of their members on the line in Fink, I can't imagine they crew would just sit back and let that go on without retaliating and pushing a cougar to the forefront.

I think if I were to move, it'd be to someone in the group of 5. My prime targets would likely be Mr. W and then maybe clap. Arlie I get a vibe as good and Farrah hasn't given me much at all one way or another. Olie I just don't know about, but for some reason in every game I play with her I just believe what she's saying, she seems to earnest for some reason. One of these games she'll likely pull the wool over on my big time. I don't think it's this game though.


That's the game as I see it to this point.

[RendeR]

So based on your own analysis your vote for me makes absolutely no sense what so ever. You should be voting for one of the people who voted FOR me last night.

So wtf?


As for my laize-faire attitude last night I tried to explain it a number of times:

First: I've done the in your face screaming and bitching response to being threatened numerous times, its never saved me and it simply alienates everyone. So its not worth the trouble.

Second: I'm a no-role cubicle filler. I have nothing to offer other than being a numbers builder late in the game. Voting me of doesn't seriously hurt the office group and it doesn't really help either wolf group.

Third: Its far more fun when my vote is cast and I have nothing to do but wait for the outcome of the vote to have a good time screwing around "in-character" and besides, Farrah realy is a fine piece of.....well, anyway ;)

So thats it. Vote for me if you want, When I turn up exactly as I've stated you'll feel foolish and have wasted another day voting off someone who wasn't worth the time or effort.

End of rambling, nothing more to see here, move along, MOOOOVE along!

[jeheinz72]

So based on your own analysis your vote for me makes absolutely no sense what so ever. You should be voting for one of the people who voted FOR me last night.

So wtf?



Well yes and no. Right now I'm thinking there are 2 lines of thought that I could go with for my vote

#1 being that it was wolf v wolf last night and lynching you will provide us another wolf

#2 being that the subset of people who voted for you will also provide wolves, even on the diminished chance you aren't a wolf. Being that, if you're a wolf, they'd try to get you up there. If you aren't a wolf, they'd at least be pushing for you to save their team member.

I haven't completely made up my mind as far as which route I'll take with my vote (I came up with thought #2 after already casting my vote for you, I came up with #1 quite quickly as I read). So I can see myself changing to a vote along the lines of #2, but need to dig deeper into A) If I want to and B) If so, then who of the five people.

That make sense?

[Passacaglia]

VOTE FARRAH

I'll get this party started.

So cronin was the gossip, and his vote for Farrah was the first one of the day. This reminds me of the last time I remember cronin being the seer -- he put a vote in on saldana right away. In that game, he took a lot of heat for it, and didn't reveal as the seer until much later in the day, when he felt like he needed to in order to survive. I think saldana then claimed to be the seer as well, and it was a who-do-you-believe scenario. A scan of Farrah seems consistent with what cronin has said before -- I seem to remember him saying that when he's the seer, he likes to scan people with few votes on them.

I think that cronin scanned Farrah, and didn't reveal because he didn't feel he needed to (i.e. there was no heat on him, like the time he scanned saldana), and because with two wolf factions, he felt like he needed to nab multiple wolves, jeheinz-style.

VOTE FARRAH WHITWORTH-RAHN

[Arles]

OK, I am going to take a risk now and let everyone know my role. When the game started, I was told I was the gossip queen. So, my analysis yesterday (esp pertaining to RendeR, OlieGirl and SnDvls) had some "views" that I thought were accurate. However, now that Cronin was named the gossip queen, I now know that I am the fool (which is fairly apropos given my play in the first two games).

With that in mind, I would like to dial back the focus on these three as I may have been fed bad information. Now, stating this may make me more of target to the wolves, but I think it's worth the risk for the workers as a whole. If RendeR and Olie were voted off as workers while I sat by and didn't come clean on some of my logic being partly based on what now may be incorrect data, it may cause the loss of the game.

So, with that in mind, I think it's a good idea to take a step back from day and to focus on the group that voted for fink like Alan T and others said. This includes jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), SnDvls (489), Render (491), Passacaglia (568), Schmidty (578), mauboy1 (590).

I don't really count Render as he switched to try and save his behind. Pass, Schmidty and mauboy were all pile ons, which makes them look questionable. But, I think we need to cross-reference this list with day 1 votes. What's interesting to me in day one is that "it seems" that the first 5 votes for bullet were all by workers (Barkeep, Cronin, me, Olie and Render). Given none of these people were in the above list (outside of Render for obvious reasons), I'm further inclined to say that Olie and Render are workers and that bullet was not the initial wolf target for day 1 (which may also clear Lathum, but it's not as definitive as other stuff - so he stays).

So, now we are left with jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), Passacaglia (568), Schmidty (578), mauboy1 (590). So, the pile-ons by Pass, Schmidty and mau lead me to indicate 1-2 of them is a wolf, but 1-2 probably also is not (it would be silly for all 3 wolves from one faction to pile on at the end). Plus, in day one, Mau voted for Schmidty which would seem to indicate one is not a wolf. But, we don't know which one. So, for that reason, I will throw both out:

jeheinz72 (360), path12 (377), The Jackal (414), Lathum (426), Passacaglia (568)

jeheinz72 and the Jackal also voted for each other on day 1 so that leads me to believe they are not in the same wolf faction. So, if we throw them out we are left with:

path12 (377), Lathum (426), Passacaglia (568)

Now, all three could be wolves, but I doubt it. Pass and Lathum are mysteries to me as both have been a little questionable, but I have nothing to tie them to. Plus, the fact that Lathum voted for Bullet with the other "workers" in day 1 makes him seem less "wolfy". However, path12's vote on day 1 is interesting (Barkeep49) as it was the person that ended up being killed by the wolfs that night.

So, given my analysis today, I feel that path12 is the best candidate from that list to be a wolf. Therefore, I

Vote Path12

[mauchow]

So cronin was the gossip, and his vote for Farrah was the first one of the day. This reminds me of the last time I remember cronin being the seer -- he put a vote in on saldana right away. In that game, he took a lot of heat for it, and didn't reveal as the seer until much later in the day, when he felt like he needed to in order to survive. I think saldana then claimed to be the seer as well, and it was a who-do-you-believe scenario. A scan of Farrah seems consistent with what cronin has said before -- I seem to remember him saying that when he's the seer, he likes to scan people with few votes on them.

I think that cronin scanned Farrah, and didn't reveal because he didn't feel he needed to (i.e. there was no heat on him, like the time he scanned saldana), and because with two wolf factions, he felt like he needed to nab multiple wolves, jeheinz-style.

VOTE FARRAH WHITWORTH-RAHN
I was just in the process of going back and perhaps voting for who he had scanned! Man, you and I are on top of each others moves.

I like this idea just because he would have a better chance of hitting a wolf on his scans than you would've in the past. I like this move.

Unvote RendeR
Vote Farrah

[mauchow]

Holy smokes, Arlie. Interesting stuff.

[Alan T]

path12 (377), Lathum (426), Passacaglia (568)

Now, all three could be wolves, but I doubt it. Pass and Lathum are mysteries to me as both have been a little questionable, but I have nothing to tie them to. Plus, the fact that Lathum voted for Bullet with the other "workers" in day 1 makes him seem less "wolfy". However, path12's vote on day 1 is interesting (Barkeep49) as it was the person that ended up being killed by the wolfs that night.

So, given my analysis today, I feel that path12 is the best candidate from that list to be a wolf. Therefore, I

Vote Path12


Arlie, you went down the same line of thought that I did last night. You missed one thing about Lathum that I saw last night that changed my mind on him and caused me to remove him from that list of likely wolves.. Fink had a good shot at putting Lathum to death the day before. If Lathum and Fink were rival wolves, I would assume he would have taken that chance there, but he didn't.

I'm not really against a Path vote, but I went a different direction with my thinking and chose a different person from the group. I think you and I are on the same page though as far as where we think the best place to look is.

[Dr. Sak]

Wow Arlie has got me thinking and he still has the person I have been saying that is mysterious all along as one of his potential wolves...Lathum.

[jeheinz72]

I get what you're saying Arlie, that makes some sense. A vote for path could be a good route. I just think we're taking a bit group and making some possibly error-entrenched conclusions to whittle to a smaller group. I worry that we're throwing the baby out with the bath water there.

If I'm reading your post right, you scanned RendeR and Olie the first two nights? How does the fool role work? They came up positive but now we know they aren't wolves? Do I have that right?

[jeheinz72]

Wow Arlie has got me thinking and he still has the person I have been saying that is mysterious all along as one of his potential wolves...Lathum.

Yeah I honestly don't know how I read Lathums moves. He's got me flummoxed.

[Dr. Sak]

In the rules it states that The Fool's "results will be random".

[Arles]

My fear with Jeheinz is that he may be the worker and Jackal the wolf (or both workers). With Path, you have the idea that he voted for Barkeep on day 1 (coincidentally the guy that was killed by wolves that night) and he was key in starting the run on Fink yesterday. That's the most "wolfish" behavior I've seen so far given the limited info we have.

As to Farrah, I should also come clean that I think Farrah and I were the subject of CR's note. On the first day, I told her I was a worker and asked her a bunch of questions on the difference between Fool and Gossip (my caveman mind was trying to understand the complexity of these rules). She, of course, said she was a worker as well (which may not have been true).

Still, I think it's fair to say that she may have known I had a good chance at being the gossip. So, given I wasn't voted off the first two nights, that helps her a bit. Still, Cronin's vote is a good line of thinking for her being a wolf.

Now, here's another fear. We don't know how many wolves per faction (i'm guessing 2-4, prob 3?). But, if Farrah is a wolf, she's probably on Fink's faction since she didn't vote for him. That means if we vote her off today, there may only be one 1 wolf in the Fink-Farrah-? faction and all 3 wolves in the second faction. So, given tonight's the wolf-wolf vote, I'm guessing total votes wins. So, here's a scenario that could hose us villagers:

1. Vote fink off in day 2 (Faction #1 wolf)
2. Vote Farrah off in day 3 (Faction #1 wolf).
3. Day 3 night has 3 votes from Faction #2 for the final Faction #1 wolf.

By tomorrow morning, all 3 from Faction #1 are going with all three from Faction 2 left. Faction #2 wins 2 points and starting picking us off.

I really think we should focus on who voted for Fink as voting off the "wrong" wolf could lead to a major victory for the wolves. So, why not vote someone off from the Fink list today (Path12) and then vote Farrah off tomorrow (if she doesn't die in the wolf fight and we still think she's a wolf). If I am right on Path12, then the wolf fight would be 2-2 tonight instead of 3-1 if a Fink wolf goes. Then, it's 3 nights until the next vote and we can try and pin down the other wolves until then.

[Arles]

I get what you're saying Arlie, that makes some sense. A vote for path could be a good route. I just think we're taking a bit group and making some possibly error-entrenched conclusions to whittle to a smaller group. I worry that we're throwing the baby out with the bath water there.

If I'm reading your post right, you scanned RendeR and Olie the first two nights? How does the fool role work? They came up positive but now we know they aren't wolves? Do I have that right?
I did not scan RendeR. I scanned Olie and Lathum and now it looks like I may have had some bad information. At this point, I would recommend holding off all three of Lathum, Olie and RendeR until we get more data. Of the three, Lathum would seem to be the highest chance at a wolf, but I was told he was a worker. So, I'm a little antsy to vote him off as that could have been right. RendeR just doesn't seem to be a wolf given how the 2nd half of yesterday played out and a question on one of my assumptions. I'm guessing the info on Olie I got is wrong as it doesn't make sense with what I know now.

[jeheinz72]

By tomorrow morning, all 3 from Faction #1 are going with all three from Faction 2 left. Faction #2 wins 2 points and starting picking us off.


On this point, I was thinking hard on it earlier this morning on if we're better off with just 1 faction left or with both factions

On one hand, having both factions makes it harder for any single faction to win.

On the other, my brain says if we just go after one faction, the other will likely out themselves as a result of repeated votes for the one we've eliminated. Conversations may also get clearer as there would be more like 2 voices instead of 3.

Not sure that's enough though to make taking that risk pay off.

[Arles]

I would like the wolves to continue to come after each other as we get more data (ie, with Fink). If one faction goes away, not only do we lose the 3-night wolf vote off, but we also lose some data.

Best case is we end up with 2-3 wolves from different factions and we feel pretty confident as to who they are. Then, we just pick them off over a period of lynch votes. If, say, by tomorrow, the first wolf pack is gone. The Second can just pick us off one-by-one and hide among the villagers on votes. One final item here is the fish. If the first wolf group goes away, the second will probably land the fish (if they haven't already) which could end up with 4 wolves hiding among the rest of us.

I don't want one faction completely eliminated until atleast 3 wolves are gone. Best case is we go into tomorrow down 3 wolves with a 2-1 (or 2-2 with the fish) setup. That way the wolves continue to try and pick each other off over the next 2 lynch votes.

One final point: If Farrah is a wolf, we should keep an eye on who votes for her as I'm sure 1-2 wolves from the opposing faction will be in there.

[Alan T]

On this point, I was thinking hard on it earlier this morning on if we're better off with just 1 faction left or with both factions

On one hand, having both factions makes it harder for any single faction to win.

On the other, my brain says if we just go after one faction, the other will likely out themselves as a result of repeated votes for the one we've eliminated. Conversations may also get clearer as there would be more like 2 voices instead of 3.

Not sure that's enough though to make taking that risk pay off.

I agree with Arles point of view on the subject (I actually said the same things he is saying now earlier last night, but not sure if he saw those or not..)

If you end up with only one side of wolves, we no longer have the gossip to help us and its then a one sided game of WW left to play.

Having both factions go against each other means in some twisted way we have some form of ally at times keeping the other wolf team in check. It also helps us continue to get data points to use later in the game.

We have a relatively small group of people who were instrumental in fink's death that appear to be more interested in pointing us at other people right now (Render / Farrah). It seems a bit bold to think that Cronin would on one hand say all day yesterday that if you could get even one wolf and learn nothing from it, he would go for that.. yet he supposedly had a chance to get a wolf and didn't go for it? Looking at Cronin's vote closer, he voted Farrah after Lathum and I had thrown out a few names to look at closer: Farrah, Jheinz, The Jackal.

It seems to me all along we have been talking about when a wolf dies we finally will have a chance to see who went after them.. then suddenly a wolf dies, and alot of those people instrumental to his death want to distract us elsewhere. I'll move my vote to go along with Arlie on Path if need be, but I'm staying put right now. I definitly agree with Arlie on the path to take though for today.

[Alan T]

One final point: If Farrah is a wolf, we should keep an eye on who votes for her as I'm sure 1-2 wolves from the opposing faction will be in there.

Along those lines, right now the two people who jumped on Farrah early were also the really late vote switchers yesterday on Fink.. Pass and Mauboy.. You have a good point here.

[path12]

Interesting night, and interesting analyses this morning. While I see Arles point, for the record I'll just say for now that his conclusion is mistaken, at least where it comes to me.

I'll have more time today than yesterday to be around, but it won't be for a few hours yet.

[Alan T]

Dola.. I'm starting to think a bit differently once again with my vote. I'm tempted right now to vote for Pass or Mauboy and if one of them end up a wolf, I'll vote for Farrah tommorrow.

[Passacaglia]

I can see where you guys are coming from in a way, but on the other hand, I don't think we can risk killing off villagers in order to get there. I'm curious to see what happens tonight -- it will be the first time the wolves will have an opportunity to kill each other, so we can find out who they're more worried about -- the village, or the other faction. In the meantime, I think we just need to get what wolves we can.

[mauchow]

I won't be around much today just so everyone knows, I'm working 1-9 central.

I realize it may look guilty, my voting pattern of being quick and early with it, but I knew I may not have had a chance later to vote. That's my reasoning of voting quickly. Besides that, it made sense to me.

[Lathum]

Dola.. I'm starting to think a bit differently once again with my vote. I'm tempted right now to vote for Pass or Mauboy and if one of them end up a wolf, I'll vote for Farrah tommorrow.

Why not vote Farrah first and work from there?

Ordinaraly I waould say the chance Cronin would hit a wolf on the first 2 nights is slim but there are probably more wolves then usual so it isn't much of a stretch

[Lathum]

dola- I think it is unlikely the fish has been discovered, I would think that would mean there was no night kill in that scenerio

[Arles]

I can never get a read on mau as he jumps all over the place, but he does seemed joined at the hip with Pass now (he could also be agreeing with Pass' logic). If I were to rate wolves by "potential", my top 5 would be:

1. Path12
2. Pass
3. Mau
4. Farrah
5. Lathum

But, the fact that Lathum was safe in my view makes me less likely to vote him off. Also, the top 3 would seem to be part of the non-Fink faction with the Farrah part of the Fink faction (again, assuming they are all wolves). I also doubt all three of Path, Pass and Mau are wolves, but 2 could be and I'm pretty sure one is. At this point, the best guess is Path.

[Arles]

Why not vote Farrah first and work from there?

Ordinaraly I waould say the chance Cronin would hit a wolf on the first 2 nights is slim but there are probably more wolves then usual so it isn't much of a stretch
The logic is that if Farrah is a wolf, she's part of the "Fink faction". So, why not give an extra day to see who is after her. Plus, even if we are 100% right, that faction may be down to 1 wolf or no wolves after tonight's "Wolf-Wolf vote). And that would really impair our ability to find the other faction. If we have faction 1 vs faction 2 v workers, we have more data for finding both factions.

[Lathum]

Great well thought out analysis Arles, just a few things I disagree on

[QUOTE=Arles;1643196]
I don't really count Render as he switched to try and save his behind.


I think you are making a mistake her. A wolf is just as likely to switch his vote as anyone else would be to save their ass.








jeheinz72 and the Jackal also voted for each other on day 1 so that leads me to believe they are not in the same wolf faction.

I think this is also a big mistake. Day one it is a low risk play for them to vote for each other to try and put distance between themselves

[mauchow]

Sorry, Arles about my flip-floppiness. Its due to my newb nature and my ability to be easily persuaded. I do understand the possible guilt that you see but I am just a normal office-mate.

[Alan T]

Why not vote Farrah first and work from there?

Ordinaraly I waould say the chance Cronin would hit a wolf on the first 2 nights is slim but there are probably more wolves then usual so it isn't much of a stretch

My thought is to keep the wolf teams close so one of them doesn't hold a huge advantage over both the other team and us.

Farrah is on a short list already of people who tried to save Fink last night, but two things are very clear:


1) Farrah likely is not on the opposite team from Fink
2) The same people who killed fink are after Farrah.

So I am feeling pretty strongly that Farrah likely also is a wolf, but right now I think I'm more interested in trying to even up the sides so to speak if we can. That will help us learn more about both sides than continuing to weaken one side right now.

The more I think about it, the more I'm likely to switch over to one of the Farrah voters and if they turn up as a wolf, definitly come after Farrah tommorrow.

[Passacaglia]

I can never get a read on mau as he jumps all over the place, but he does seemed joined at the hip with Pass now (he could also be agreeing with Pass' logic).

Yeah, that's kind of weirding me out, too. If I didn't have this dirt on Farrah, I would have been looking his way. I think this is the third day he's voted the same as me, and at least two of those days his votes were within minutes of me.

[Passacaglia]

My thought is to keep the wolf teams close so one of them doesn't hold a huge advantage over both the other team and us.

Farrah is on a short list already of people who tried to save Fink last night, but two things are very clear:


1) Farrah likely is not on the opposite team from Fink
2) The same people who killed fink are after Farrah.

So I am feeling pretty strongly that Farrah likely also is a wolf, but right now I think I'm more interested in trying to even up the sides so to speak if we can. That will help us learn more about both sides than continuing to weaken one side right now.

The more I think about it, the more I'm likely to switch over to one of the Farrah voters and if they turn up as a wolf, definitly come after Farrah tommorrow.

That's an interesting plan -- vote for one of the Farrah voters (either me or mau). And if that one comes up wolf, you'll go after Farrah tomorrow. What happens if that one comes up villager?

[Dr. Sak]

Yeah, that's kind of weirding me out, too. If I didn't have this dirt on Farrah, I would have been looking his way. I think this is the third day he's voted the same as me, and at least two of those days his votes were within minutes of me.

Yeah that's a little too obvious to do if you two were working together...

[Lathum]

The logic is that if Farrah is a wolf, she's part of the "Fink faction". So, why not give an extra day to see who is after her. Plus, even if we are 100% right, that faction may be down to 1 wolf or no wolves after tonight's "Wolf-Wolf vote). And that would really impair our ability to find the other faction. If we have faction 1 vs faction 2 v workers, we have more data for finding both factions.

I think we are micro managing the whole "even out the wolf factions"

We should be happy getting a wolf and not worry about what side they are on.

This all makes no sense to me.

For us to win we need to eliminate all of the wolves from both factions, correct?

So inevetably at some point one faction will have all of their wolves killed and the other will have at least one left, so who really cares what order we eliminate the wolves?

[Alan T]

That's an interesting plan -- vote for one of the Farrah voters (either me or mau). And if that one comes up wolf, you'll go after Farrah tomorrow. What happens if that one comes up villager?

Guess the same thing I would do if Farrah turned up a villager. Go back through the votes and see if I can pick anything out. I understand why you don't like my idea, since you are square in the middle of the Anti-fink people right now.

If someone shows me a sure wolf, I'll vote it. Right now all I see is speculation from everyone, so I'm much more fond of my speculation. I'm not right about everyone, I've adjusted my thoughts on a few people already, and maybe will as today continues.

All I have to work on today is there are a group of people who clearly were after Fink, a few people clearly who tried to save him (Farrah and Mr.W), and right now the two groups are colliding with two people in group A going after someone in group B. My thoughts today are as I said, and others have echoed.. to try to explore the other wolf side today based on what we know.

[Alan T]

*shrug* Fine.. Since everyone is so sure she's a wolf. I am amazed at how much information you all get as villagers, since I must have missed the interoffice memo.

Just remember, when one wolf team has all of the people and easily walk through us because we have no seer left that it wasn't my fault we lost.

Unvote Jeheinz
Vote Farrah