WW LXV-- Enter the CUBICLE (GAME OVER! See Post #1625 For Final Game Post)

[jeheinz72]

Anyhow, I'm outta here in 10-15 minutes, last chance for any questions to me (Jackal is fully ok in my mind to post whatever he needs to in order to try and save himself while I'm gone, no biggie to me, fact is, the truth will come out after we string him up like we rightfully should)

[The Jackal]

See I got the PM last night, if only I'd posted maybe you'd be on the chopping block. I was sick and exhausted though, so that's probably why I was confused about whether or not I could post. I just didn't want to make a post that was illegal and have part of the game decided in that manner. I must say, if I came up with that as a fake reason I'd be pretty proud of myself. :p

[The Jackal]

Anyhow, I'm outta here in 10-15 minutes, last chance for any questions to me (Jackal is fully ok in my mind to post whatever he needs to in order to try and save himself while I'm gone, no biggie to me, fact is, the truth will come out after we string him up like we rightfully should)

I'm laughing here reading that post, it's always funny to me how wolves who are going to be lynched within the next day can say stuff like that last sentence.

[oliegirl]

Right, I wasn't sure because of my role, because the PM was very in character and it wasn't made clear whether or not it was supposed to be public information. Since it was involved with the wolves, and since the opposing factions couldn't tell who each other were, I needed to make sure I didn't need to get heinz caught without literally saying i knew he was a wolf. I hope that makes sense.

I've played in lots of games where someone comes out and says "based on the information in my PM, I know (player x) is a wolf/is good/is a specific role...I can't give details until I hear back from (whoever is running the game)". You could have done that without revealing your role, and knowing that a counter-reveal is often doubted, I don't understand why you wouldn't have done something similar to this. That's why I doubt you.

[The Jackal]

I've played in lots of games where someone comes out and says "based on the information in my PM, I know (player x) is a wolf/is good/is a specific role...I can't give details until I hear back from (whoever is running the game)". You could have done that without revealing your role, and knowing that a counter-reveal is often doubted, I don't understand why you wouldn't have done something similar to this. That's why I doubt you.

Ah, I've never seen that done. And aside from that, I'd already taken nyquil when I got the original PM, I'm pretty sure. But it's alright, doubt me, if I haven't gotten anyone to change by this point it seems unlikely. Get ready for a quick nightfall after I die, CR.

[RendeR]

Anyone got a vote count?

[RendeR]

I have stuff to do tonight so I want to get my vote in asap and get busy.


Can't we just lynch them BOTH? =)

[RendeR]

anyone?

[RendeR]

ANYONE?

[RendeR]

Beuller?

[RendeR]

BEULLER????

[RendeR]

well, I gotta go ut the kids to bed and I may well fall asleep doing so and I don;t want to miss voting.

At this point if we miss with one tonight we kill the other tomorrow, so:

VOTE JACKAL

[claphamsa]

everyogn has voted jackall.

[oliegirl]

LOL!

I haven't been keeping up with the votes, sorry I can't help you...

Jackal voted for himself if that means anything...I don't think it's totally unanimous, but it's gotta be pretty close.

[The Jackal]

Whatever, I'm going out for a while, may not be back before the deadline, have fun killing heinz. Oh, and I told you so.

Just in case there's a miraculous change of heart:

unvote jackal
vote heinz

good luck to the two good guys who remain on the last day.

[Schmidty]

That's Schmidty's game. He's always quiet.

I'm still going through stuff, but this made me smile.

I agree. My skill set is laziness, neglect and being in absentia. My expertise has taken a ton of non-effort. ;)

[Chief Rum]

I thought nightfall votes couldn't be changed. Clarification from Chief??

Well, Nightfall votes are relatively meaningless, because it was a lock I wouldn't be able to end the day until a couple hours before deadline anyway. Also, I'm not aware of any traditional rules relating to Nightfall votes--I figure they can be changed like any vote up to the deadline or whenever the moderator runs the deadline. But I didn't put any game set up into that.

[Chief Rum]

Day 8 Count (as of Post 1517)

The Jackal (5)-- jeheinz72 (1400), claphamsa (1401), Schmidty (1404), oliegirl (1407), Render (1512)
jeheinz72 (1)-- The Jackal (1515)

Not Voted Yet: path12

Nightfall votes: claphamsa (1401), oliegirl (1407), jeheinz72 (1409)

Hmm, actually nowhere near enough Nightfall votes in any case, but I will honor it of I see it before the deadline and it is unanimous.

[RendeR]

VOTE NIGHTFALL


no sense is waiting.

[path12]

I can't see any reason not to follow along.

VOTE THE JACKAL

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Chief Rum]

Day 8 Count (as of Post 1520)

The Jackal (5)-- jeheinz72 (1400), claphamsa (1401), Schmidty (1404), oliegirl (1407), Render (1512), path12
jeheinz72 (1)-- The Jackal (1515)

Nightfall votes: claphamsa (1401), oliegirl (1407), jeheinz72 (1409), Render (1519), path12 (1520)


Still short of Nightfall, but we're only 45 minutes away, so might as well play this out to the end.

[path12]

10 minutes to deadline and it's me and a dead wolf online.

[Passacaglia]

10 minutes to deadline and it's me and a dead wolf online.

Hi! Want to know who I'd vote for? :)

[st.cronin]

Passacaglia seems very wolfy to me.

[Passacaglia]

Passacaglia seems very wolfy to me.

Damn. If the seer said that, Passacaglia must be a wolf.

[path12]

Damn. If the seer said that, Passacaglia must be a wolf.

What about Passacaligula?

[Passacaglia]

What about Passacaligula?

What she asked of me, at the end of the day, Passacaligula would have blushed...

(Sorry, the huge Smiths fan in me had to come out there)

[Chief Rum]

Whoops, dozed a little there. Back on now and writing things up.

[Chief Rum]

Day 8 Count

The Jackal (5)-- jeheinz72 (1400), claphamsa (1401), Schmidty (1404), oliegirl (1407), Render (1512), path12
jeheinz72 (1)-- The Jackal (1515)

Nightfall votes: claphamsa (1401), oliegirl (1407), jeheinz72 (1409), Render (1519), path12 (1520)


Still short of Nightfall, but we're only 45 minutes away, so might as well play this out to the end.

Here's our final vote count for Day 8.

[Chief Rum]

The day doesn't take long to really get rolling. jeheinz72 stands up and points at The Jackal. The Jackal jumps up and points right back. The office has seemingly degenerated into backfighting. No one really knows quite what to make of it.

Momentum rolls the way of he who spake first, in this case, jeheinz. The Jackal's protestations seem to fall on deaf ears, as more and more office workers take to jeheinz's side?

The afternoon rolls toward clock out time, and the question of the day is, who really is the Fish?

At the end of the day, the Boss fingers The Jackal to come over to his office, as the long anticipated boom awaits.

The Jackal has protested enough, it seems. He barely makes a sound leaving the Boss's office; simply walks to his desk and starts to pack his things.

It was the only decision he has ever really made without waffling a bit. The Jackal was fired, and he was The Fish! He was on the side of the Department!

jeheinz fellow workers looked to him for answers, but he merely shrugged. And when the Boss came to the door once more, it wasn't jeheinz he called into the office. He beckoned for Render to bring his file in with him.

Render does not go so quietly.

"You are being led around by liars and traitors," Render yells at the Boss, who appears resolved to keep his calm. After Render yells himself out, the Boss tells him to please gather his things and leave the premises immediately.

Render has been NIGHT-FIRED, courtesy of the Cougars! He was naught but a regular Department Worker!

And now we're down to five.

Tomorrow night's deadline will again be at 10 p.m. EST/7 p.m. PDT.

If everyone is present, we will run the deadline, and then run a "quick" one hour day to wrap the game tomorrow night. If not, the game will end Friday.

Good luck, everyone!

[oliegirl]

Man, that sucks!!!!!

VOTE JE HEINZ

[path12]

I hate getting played.

VOTE JEHEINZ

[The Jackal]

I told you so. :)

Good luck, guys.

And well played, heinz.

[mauchow]

I saw that one from a mile away.

[The Jackal]

I saw that one from a mile away.

Thank you!!

[claphamsa]

vote heinez
vote nightfall

[Schmidty]

Ok, now I'm pissed.

Vote jeheinz

Vote nightfall

[oliegirl]

Forgot...

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[claphamsa]

vote naptime!

[Chief Rum]

All right, guys. I am away to work. We'll see if we can finish this tonight. Try to be around at the deadline. If the survivors at that point are present and willing, we have a short final "day" after the deadline to wrap up the game. Otherwise, we will go to tomorrow night.

See y'all tonight!

[Passacaglia]

I saw that one from a mile away.

Yeah, but that's probably just because of your super-secret villager role! :p

[jeheinz72]

Wha?

[jeheinz72]

I swear I no nothing

[jeheinz72]

*know

[claphamsa]

I swear I no nothing
u didnt know you were a cougar? hhmmm

[jeheinz72]

I ain't no Cougar, I'm all man baby!

[RendeR]

I ain't no Cougar, I'm all man baby!


You're furry and you smell bad.

[RendeR]

Makes you one of those.."modern" women that don't feel the need for hygeine....

[jeheinz72]

Oh hush dead guy!

[path12]

Makes you one of those.."modern" women that don't feel the need for hygeine....

Don't knock it until you've tried it. I knew a woman who didn't shave but had an entire library of sexual positions and techniques. Weirder than hell but I stuck around for about six months anyway......

[The Jackal]

Don't knock it until you've tried it. I knew a woman who didn't shave but had an entire library of sexual positions and techniques. Weirder than hell but I stuck around for about six months anyway......

Lucky bastard.

[jeheinz72]

Well here's to hoping the Comic makes the right move and saves me tonight.

[claphamsa]

after youve been proved a wolf?

[jeheinz72]

after youve been proved a wolf?

How have I been proven to be a wolf? I'm being set-up here. I don't know what kind of game-mechanic is behind this whole thing. I was made to believe that Jackal was a wolf, what can I say. I'm as shocked as anyone here. :confused:

[jeheinz72]

Bah who am I kidding.

[claphamsa]

clearly no one but yourself :P

[claphamsa]

you could tell us who the other cougar is...

[jeheinz72]

you could tell us who the other cougar is...

Sure, it's one of claphamsa, oliegirl, path12, or Schmidty

Or it's no one and I'm the last one. OMG could it rly?!?!

[jeheinz72]

I gotta say though, I got *hosed* by the whole fish deal.

A) I was the weakest fisher on our dang team anyhow
B) I had no idea that would happen when I fished after the Crew was gone
C) I really don't think I would've gotten lynched as this played out, I thought I was pretty easily defensible if my name came up, as evident yesterday.

[claphamsa]

A) What do you mean weakest fisher?
B) neither did we, neener neener.
C) How could you possibly avoid it? Fake reveals either winit for you in 2-3 turns or get you whacked!

[The Jackal]

clap, i think he means:

A) there were probably fishing ratings assigned to the wolves in case one from each team found the fish on the same day (i'm just guessing, could be talking out my ass)
B) only i knew that there was a role adjustment, and it was not outlined in the rules to begin with, surprise twist!
C) if he hadn't hunted me as the fish he probably wouldn't have been lynched as a wolf because the talk wasn't really going towards him and there wasn't overwhelming evidence or people voting for him the whole game

[jeheinz72]

clap, i think he means:

A) there were probably fishing ratings assigned to the wolves in case one from each team found the fish on the same day (i'm just guessing, could be talking out my ass)
B) only i knew that there was a role adjustment, and it was not outlined in the rules to begin with, surprise twist!
C) if he hadn't hunted me as the fish he probably wouldn't have been lynched as a wolf because the talk wasn't really going towards him and there wasn't overwhelming evidence or people voting for him the whole game

A) Exactly.
B) Bastage
C) Prizzactly. I can't see anyone coming after me (had this fish business not come up) with anything I couldn't have argued my way out of. Plus, everyone loves The Heinz. Who would lynch The Heinz?

[oliegirl]

A) Exactly.
B) Bastage
C) Prizzactly. I can't see anyone coming after me (had this fish business not come up) with anything I couldn't have argued my way out of. Plus, everyone loves The Heinz. Who would lynch The Heinz?

Your ass is getting lynched today, wolf-boy...

I hate this part of the game, when we know who's going, but still have to wait for end of day to find out how it is all going to go down. Even if the we (the workers) lose, we played a good game guys!

[jeheinz72]

Your ass is getting lynched today, wolf-boy...

I hate this part of the game, when we know who's going, but still have to wait for end of day to find out how it is all going to go down. Even if the we (the workers) lose, we played a good game guys!

yeah, I'll see if I can help

Vote jeheinz72
Vote nightfall

Of course if you really wanna speed things up the Comic could just duke it to someone else!

[claphamsa]

but that woudl help the wrong side.....

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to start calling you The Heinz from now on. Maybe it will help everyone else learn how to spell your name (though I doubt it)!

[jeheinz72]

but that woudl help the wrong side.....

Yeah but it would speed things up! ;)

[jeheinz72]

I'm going to start calling you The Heinz from now on. Maybe it will help everyone else learn how to spell your name (though I doubt it)!

Yeah I've all but given up on that one. The worst though was a couple games back when there was JonathanEzerik or somesuch playing. THen I had no friggin idea when people were talking about me or him.

[oliegirl]

I'm going to start calling you The Heinz from now on. Maybe it will help everyone else learn how to spell your name (though I doubt it)!

I think we should start calling him Ketchup Boy :D

[jeheinz72]

I think we should start calling him Ketchup Boy :D

It's Ketchup Man and my side-kick Mustard Boy.

[oliegirl]

It's Ketchup Man and my side-kick Mustard Boy.

I think a "picspls, thx" is required before I can make that determination ;)

[jeheinz72]

HAHA

[oliegirl]

HAHA

Awww, man...come on! Give a girl a cheap thrill every now and then!!!! :p

[jeheinz72]

Awww, man...come on! Give a girl a cheap thrill every now and then!!!! :p

Well, I was hoping to obscure my true identity from the public, but you've left me no choice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/10618.jpg

[oliegirl]

Well, I was hoping to obscure my true identity from the public, but you've left me no choice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/10618.jpg

Wow...that's smokin' hot! <rolls eyes>

You just sealed your Ketchup Boy status :D

[jeheinz72]

Dang all, I knew I should've gone with this one. I always look more hard-core with the mask on.

http://www.e-monsite.com/shadowpage/u9d9r9e-ketchupman.jpg

[path12]

I thought it would be the green ketchup.

[oliegirl]

Dang all, I knew I should've gone with this one. I always look more hard-core with the mask on.

http://www.e-monsite.com/shadowpage/u9d9r9e-ketchupman.jpg

Tease! There is no picture!!! :(

[claphamsa]

er.....

[oliegirl]

Tease! There is no picture!!! :(

OK, that is weird...there was no picture on your post when I read it, but when I quoted it, it showed up in the quote and in the original post...

[jeheinz72]

Tease! There is no picture!!! :(

It's my mask!

[jeheinz72]

Ketchup man has mystical HTML powers!

[oliegirl]

Ketchup man has mystical HTML powers!

Do you have a magic pickle spear that you wave around like a magic wand????

[jeheinz72]

Do you have a magic pickle spear that you wave around like a magic wand????

Oh it's a spear, and it's definitely been called magical, but I don't know if you'd call what I do with it "waving"...



...and I've officially crossed the line. *takes bow*

[Alan T]

So this is what happens when the day is a forgone conclusion.. the thread turns into ketchup porn.

[oliegirl]

Oh it's a spear, and it's definitely been called magical, but I don't know if you'd call what I do with it "waving"...



...and I've officially crossed the line. *takes bow*

As soon as I hit submit I thought "that was just an open invitation...who's going to take the bait first". Damn the no editing rule in WW threads!

Thanks for not letting me down Ketchup Boy :D

[jeheinz72]

Ketchup Boy....to the rescue!

[oliegirl]

Ketchup Boy....to the rescue!

Embrace your inner SuperHero Porn Star!!!

Where is Antmeister with some creative photoshopping when we need him??? ;)

[jeheinz72]

Embrace your inner SuperHero Porn Star!!!

Where is Antmeister with some creative photoshopping when we need him??? ;)

I need no photoshoppin'!!

[oliegirl]

I need no photoshoppin'!!

Again, picspls, thx.

All talk, no action...typical man! :p

[Schmidty]

In the immortal words of the Joker, this thread needs an enema.

[claphamsa]

we could try and figure out who the other couger is......

[The Jackal]

we could try and figure out who the other couger is......

What a concept! :eek:

[claphamsa]

Since this is degenrated so much im gonna go ahead and reveal...




































I am a worker.

[RendeR]

Since this is degenrated so much im gonna go ahead and reveal...




































I am a worker.

I don't believe you. oh wait.....

[RendeR]

I'm already dead.

[st.cronin]

I still think there's something wolf-y about Passacaglia.

[Lathum]

Is this game still going on?

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I'll fess up on who a Cougar is.

SnDvls is a Cougar.

[Passacaglia]

I still think there's something wolf-y about Passacaglia.

That's funny, since you're one of the few people in this game who never voted for me.

[Lathum]

That's funny, since you're one of the few people in this game who never voted for me.

he didn't live long enough

[Lorena]

So this is what happens when the day is a forgone conclusion.. the thread turns into ketchup porn.

:D

I can't believe this game is still going on.. this must be like a record or something no?

[Alan T]

:D

I can't believe this game is still going on.. this must be like a record or something no?


I think one of the games that I ran went on for something like 13 game days (total of maybe 16 days or so?) before. I know there was another game that had like 28 people in it that lasted a while too.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I split in like 20 minutes. Now's your last chance to play "Ask that wolf!"

[claphamsa]

what drove you to this life of being a wolf?

[jeheinz72]

It all started with a PM.

OOOOWWWWWWOOOOOOOO!

[Chief Rum]

Two pages of posts, and not one post worthy of WW. :)

Not to drop an obvious hint, but if *someone* were to get in a certain night action, we could honor nightfall requests and move this one along...

[claphamsa]

my night action is to figure out who the last couger is....

[oliegirl]

Are we really going to have to wait out out the last hour and 15 minutes???? Whoever CR's message is aimed at - please send in your night action so we can end this already and see what's going to happen!!!


Heeeerrrrrre, wolfie wolfie wolfie....

[claphamsa]

ugh... cant stay up longer....

[Chief Rum]

Day 9 Count

jeheinz72 (5)-- oliegirl (1531), path12 (1532), claphamsa (1536), Schmidty (1537), jeheinz (1564)

No shock here. It's unanimous. Writeup coming.

[Chief Rum]

With barely anyone left in the office, there isn't much talk on a quiet work day. The Boss stays in his office and never leaves.

But it's clear there is an outcast. No one is talking to jeheinz, as they judge him guilty for the loss of The Jackal.

At the end of the day, jeheinz himself goes into the Boss's office. He is only there for a short time before he walks to his desk to gather his things.

The others gather around, with little sympathy. jeheinz doesn't need it, though. He isn't one bit remorseful.

"Don't you worry," he says deviously. "I will be back in a day, after my colleague takes over this office."

With an air of supreme confidence, he picks up his box and walks out.

jeheinz has been FIRED! He was a Wolf, a Cougar!

No firing has yet been unaccompanied by a second in this office. With concern, and for the first time all day, curiosity, all eyes turn again toward the Boss's door. Who is next to get the axe? What spiteful move did the Cougars make this time?

The Boss finally makes his call--and Schmidty answers. He isn't in there long. And reveals why when he comes out.

"I resigned," he said simply. "I didn't want my golf buddy to have to go through another firing. So I'm gone."

Schmidty wishes everyone luck and departs.

Schmidty has been NIGHT-FIRED by the Wolves! He was the Comic, the last golfing buddy!

One more day to go--or even just one more hour if everyone is around and ready to vote. No night actions needed.

[path12]

Votes up until the past couple of days for those of us who are left (the last two days have been pretty much unanimous):

path -- Barkeep, fink, SnDvls, mauboy, bsak and ntn. 2 crew, 1 cougar.

Oliegirl -- bullet, render, farrah, mauboy, bsak and ntn. 2 crew, 0 cougars.

Schmidty -- olie, fink, bsak, mauboy, bsak, no vote. 2 crew (1 twice), 0 cougars.

claphamsa -- lathum, render, alan, mauboy, no vote, pass. 1 crew, 1 cougar.

Clapham's no vote was when the crew's bsak was voted out. Schmidty's was when the department ntndeacon was voted out.

I don't know what all this means, but thought I'd get it out there.

[path12]

Man, I hate the pressure of the three person vote. So it comes down to who do I believe is bad between Oliegirl and claphamsa.

To my view, Olie has been more consistent with how I've seen her play as a villager. As I've mentioned earlier, clapham has had a different style this game, not as vocal or involved outwardly which struck me as strange. Then when I was putting together the above post about the voting, I noticed that he had the only vote on Alan the day that Farrah was being voted out. I thought that was a little strange. Then I noticed that he was one of the last votes on Passacaglia the cougar. His game seems more wolflike to me. Whoever the wolf is of those two, they've played a very good game. My best guess is:

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[RendeR]

oh good god, Olie please check in and vote for clap and nightfall and end this thing one way or the other =)

[oliegirl]

Path's logic is as good as mine...

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[oliegirl]

Oh yea,

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[path12]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Almost forgot if Render hadn't reminded me.

[RendeR]

THANK YOU!

[Chief Rum]

You both are locked into your votes?

No one wants to hear claphamsa defend himself?

He suggested earlier that he might not be around right now.

Just want to give everyone a last chance before I call it. I'll wait if needed.

[path12]

I'm locked. This game has been long enough for me to be cool with my choice.

[oliegirl]

I know I'm a worker, so that gives me a 50/50 shot of being right...all I have to go on at this point is voting records and gut instinct. My gut isn't telling me anything so I'm just going off voting records...they each voted a wolf from each team off, Path 2/1, Clap 1/1...

I'm locked in, call it.

[Chief Rum]

All right...writeup coming.

[oliegirl]

CR - type faster!!!!! :D

[Chief Rum]

The Boss calls everyone remaining into the office.

"You have all worked so hard for this company, and I wanted you all to know how much I appreciate it," the Boss said. "I am afraid, however, that I must allow one more person to go."

claphamsa, oliegirl and path12 all tense in expectation. It's the moment of truth!

"This was perhaps the most difficult decision I have had to make," the Boss continued.

"oliegirl, you have been forthright and earnest in defending your side. claphamsa, you have been ever present and questioning. And path12, your logical approach can't be emphasized more," the Boss, said turning to each.

"The fact is, I can't afford to lose experience like path12 has," he said. "And oliegirl, being a Temp worker, costs less to keep on the payroll. So, claphamsa, I am sorry, but you are being let go."

claphamsa slumps, crestfallen. There is nothing left to be done.

The three remaining employees shuffle out of the Boss's office. They are surprised to see jeheinz72 back in the office and unpacking his things.

"What are you doing?!?" oliegirl says furiously. "You were fired!"

"Not for long," jeheinz says smugly. He turns to path12. "I already called Passacaglia and SnDvls. They are on their way over."

path12, the last Cougar, turns to the stunned claphamsa, a regular Department worker, and oliegirl, the last Temp.

"Clear out your things, folks", he says. "You're both outta here."

"NEVER MESS WITH THE COUGARS!"

THE COUGARS HAVE WON A COMPLETE VICTORY!

No other team achieved any of their goals.

[Chief Rum]

CR - type faster!!!!! :D

Heh...done!

[Passacaglia]

Go Cougars!

First I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live
without you by my side
But I spent so many nights
thinking how you did me wrong
I grew strong
I learned how to carry on
and so you're back
from outer space
I just walked in to find you here
with that sad look upon your face
I should have changed my stupid lock
I should have made you leave your key
If I had known for just one second
you'd be back to bother me

Go on now go walk out the door
just turn around now
'cause you're not welcome anymore
weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye
you think I'd crumble
you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
as long as i know how to love
I know I will stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive
I will survive

It took all the strength I had
not to fall apart
kept trying hard to mend
the pieces of my broken heart
and I spent oh so many nights
just feeling sorry for myself
I used to cry
Now I hold my head up high
and you see me
somebody new
I'm not that chained up little person
still in love with you
and so you felt like dropping in
and just expect me to be free
now I'm saving all my loving
for someone who's loving me

[Alan T]

Thanks for the game Chief!

[oliegirl]

I officially hate Path12

Good game guys! Sorry I lost it for the workers :(

[Chief Rum]

FINAL PLAYER LIST

Player List

1. claphamsa--LYNCHED DAY TEN--Regular Dept. Worker
2. Arles-- NIGHT-FIRED DAY FOUR--The Pretentious Fool
3. Farrah Whitworth-Rahn--LYNCHED DAY THREE--WOLF! (The Crew)
4. jeheinz--LYNCHED DAY NINE--WOLF! (The Cougars)
5. Barkeep49-- NIGHT-FIRED DAY ONE--Regular Dept. Worker
6. Lathum-- NIGHT-FIRED DAY FIVE--The Veteran
7. Passacaglia--LYNCHED DAY SEVEN--WOLF! (The Cougars)
8. finkenst--LYNCHED DAY TWO--WOLF! (The Crew)
9. oliegirl-- LOST 1:1 DEPARTMENT RATIO-- Temp Worker
10. mauboy1--LYNCHED DAY FOUR--Regular Dept. Worker
11. ntndeacon--LYNCHED DAY SIX--Temp Worker
12. st.cronin-- NIGHT-FIRED DAY TWO--The Gossip
13. Mr. Wednesday--NIGHT-FIRED DAY SEVEN--Temp Worker
14. path12-- LAST REMAINING SURVIVING WOLF (The Cougars)
15. Schmidty-- NIGHT-FIRED DAY NINE--The Comic
16. AlanT--NIGHT-FIRED DAY SIX--WOLF! (The Crew)
17. Render--NIGHT-FIRED DAY EIGHT--Regular Dept. Worker
18. bulletsponge--LYNCHED DAY ONE--The Observer
19. SnDvls--NIGHT-FIRED DAY THREE--WOLF! (The Cougars)
20. bsak16--LYNCHED DAY FIVE--WOLF! (The Crew)
21. The Jackal--LYNCHED DAY EIGHT--The Fish (on side of Department)

[Chief Rum]

Thanks for the game Chief!

Thanks for playing! I hope everyone had fun. I had no idea right up to the end how this one would end up going.

Congrats, Cougars, on making it work at the end.

[Lathum]

Thanks chief, that was alot of fun.

I would love to know what BSak's rational was behind his rabid pursuit of me

[Chief Rum]

Thanks chief, that was alot of fun.

I would love to know what BSak's rational was behind his rabid pursuit of me

Yeah, that was some backfire. I think he felt he needed to make a stand so that he didn't seem to be a wolf in hiding, but chose his target poorly.

Actually, the Crew had a lot of bad luck. Besides bsak's aggressive pursuit of the "best" golfing buddy, Farrah was named by cronin--and cronin never even scanned Farrah (would have had he lived; far as I know, he voted Farrah on gut, and everyone assumed he had scanned her), and fink was away with job duties when he was in a tightly contested vote here (which literally turned on the final votes that day).

[path12]

I officially hate Path12



Sorry about that, Olie.

Woo! :D

[path12]

Lots of fun, Chief. I'll have more later, but let me say that SnD, Pass and Heinz are great fun to be wolves with. Good job, guys!

[RendeR]

That was a well planned out and executed game CR, I enjoyed it thoroughly!!

[Chief Rum]

Thanks again, everyone. It was as fun to run as it was to play. If anyone has time, re-read the game knowing who the wolves are. I think it will be like a completely new read (for those of you who were not wolves).

I will be around to answer questions tonight and tomorrow night, of course, so anyone checking in late who has any questions, feel free to ask away.

[Lathum]

I would like to know how I succesfully blocked my being killed but they still got a night kill anyway?

[Arles]

You guys should have listened to me on path12. I had him pegged on day 2.

[Chief Rum]

I would like to know how I succesfully blocked my being killed but they still got a night kill anyway?

You only block one kill, Lathum. There were two wolf teams, each with their own kill orders. You blocked the one on yourself, which meant the other team's kill order went through without being challenged.

[Alan T]

I would like to know how I succesfully blocked my being killed but they still got a night kill anyway?

Each night, both of the wolf teams submitted a kill order. The team that had the highest rated killer going got the preference on the kill. That night, I am assuming we had the higher rater killer, but you blocked it thus defaulting the kill over to the other wolf team instead.

The night you died, I actually tried my best to get ntn killed off instead of you (since I assumed rightly that they would be trying to kill you that night), as the next day I was going to out myself and give a reason why I needed to be protected that night by you in order to prevent the other wolf team from getting too far ahead. (Meanwhile I would continue to try to find the fish if I could). It was obvious with the way the other team played the day Fink got voted out, that they wern't up for any truce or working together, even when I tried to help give some of them plausible places to hide with my conversation (I actually tossed out the suggestion that Path seemed to be ok based on his behavior and pushed that for a while). Since it didn't appear returned in kind, I decided to try to protect Lathum (the bodyguard), but I failed at that too, so kind of ran out of options.

The last day I was alive I tossed back and forth in my head all day if I wanted to blow up the other wolf team or make things harder for them, or not. I decided to just let things go knowing I was a goner and just see if the villagers could overcome it. I didn't know the role change regarding the fish at the time, so I assumed with my death, it would be a cakewalk for the wolves from that point on (As I warned the entire game but no one listened) :)

[Passacaglia]

Thanks chief, that was alot of fun.


+1

I had so much fun playing this.

I was curious about the mechanic behind the attempt to kill Lathum, too. Plus how Farrah was able to kill on Night 3 when she died on Day 3!

[Alan T]

+1

I had so much fun playing this.

I was curious about the mechanic behind the attempt to kill Lathum, too. Plus how Farrah was able to kill on Night 3 when she died on Day 3!

We asked about it the day before with fink (we used him to kill Cronin the day fink was voted out). Chief said that the "night kills" were actually day kills as it was a 24 hour clock. So it all happened somewhat simultaneous. So we used the same thing the next time with Farrah too

[Passacaglia]

(As I warned the entire game but no one listened) :)

I listened.

And actually, there were times when I personally felt that a truce was in order -- generally it coincided with heat building up on me, so I'm not sure if my teammates felt the same way. Actually, they probably didn't -- if it were up to me, we probably would have had a much less aggressive strategy, but kudos goes to those guys for wanting us to go all out!

[Passacaglia]

I'm not quite sure what dynamic the wolves will use in this game, as Chief said they know who each other are and are out to kill each other. I am guessing they have something in place that they can't come directly out and point fingers at each other, but I am guessing that when possible they will try to leave clues via voting patterns of some sort.

Ie: when a wolf is finally found and fired, if we were to look back at who they voted for are they more likely to have voted for the other team's wolves, giving us a path on whom to go after next, or would they have been more likely to have gone after a villager and leave us in the dark?

I just figure on day 1 wolves are more interested in blending in and staying away from having all of the spotlight on them, yet they still will be wanting to try to lay a path for later use in their voting. I don't know if the Bulletsponge vote is as much of the second as it is the first.. it was the easiest place to throw a vote that seemingly appears for an arguable reason that has deniability...

They vote for BS now, he ends up getting fired and is an ordinary villager, they then say, "well he joked he was a wolf, how was I to know?"

It is definitly not a theory I would push hard on day 3, 4, 5 and on.. and it wasn't something I was really going to push today. Was just making my vote and leaving it be unless something came up causing me to want to either change my vote or push harder. So thats my thought process really, nothing great just I think random votes are dumb and I hate 20 people voting for 20 others leaving for a huge scramble at the end of the day that half the time is just other villagers that we focus too much on for days for no good reason.

Alan, did you say path on purpose here? I kept waiting for path to die, thinking that I could call you out as being a wolf because of it. But the longer path kept living, the more it would look like only a wolf would have thought to go way back and look for a hint like this.

[The Jackal]

This was a great game, I had a feeling path might be the last cougar but I didn't want to say anything because he hadn't voted yet and I was hoping he might vote for heinz. ;)

This was a very fun game, I look forwards to more.

[Alan T]

Alan, did you say path on purpose here? I kept waiting for path to die, thinking that I could call you out as being a wolf because of it. But the longer path kept living, the more it would look like only a wolf would have thought to go way back and look for a hint like this.

Nah, I didn't say path on purpose there. I actually spent day 1 pretty mild trying to give the idea we wouldn't go crazy after you all if you did the same back. Was just saying path in the form of trail, not the player :)

[path12]

I definitely pushed the idea of getting the crew out of the way. I've got a lot of respect for Alan's ability to sway opinion and felt that we had to hit them hard if we were going to have a good chance, since the longer the game lasted with both wolf teams the easier I thought it was going to become to figure out who was who. In hindsight I think that wasn't that easy to do after all (though as Arles said, he had me early. Surprised the hell out of me.)

I think I told my teammates early in the game that I felt like it was going to be really easy for me to say too much in thread. It's a great twist to know who the other wolf team is but not be able to reference them. Pass did pick up on Alan's truce suggestions, but if I remember correctly the rest of us wanted to attack.

[path12]

Heinz got a raw deal with the fish. We had no idea there was any change at all in that role after one team was gone. He just happened to be the guy fishing that night. It was a shame because he did a great job of being visible and yet out of everyone's radar. And Jackal, if I hadn't known better I'd have probably believed you in the counter reveal.

[Chief Rum]

Heinz got a raw deal with the fish. We had no idea there was any change at all in that role after one team was gone. He just happened to be the guy fishing that night. It was a shame because he did a great job of being visible and yet out of everyone's radar. And Jackal, if I hadn't known better I'd have probably believed you in the counter reveal.

Yeah, I knew that a strong wolf team coming out of the elimination of the other team would likely be too strong for the Department to defeat, so I put this mechanic in as a "just in case". It was only to be triggered if the surviving wolf team had three or more members. Two or less, and the Fish would have still continued to be convertible. Also, this only triggered after a wolf team was eliminated. So congrats on "beating the odds" and enabling this mechanism.

Frankly, I was a little surprised no one hit on Jackal earlier. Each team had six chances before the Crew was eliminated. I realize the two sides didn't know who the other side was fishing, but you go in knowing 8 of the 21 aren't the Fish (because they're wolves). I would have thought with each side having a 6 tries in 13 non-wolves chance, not even counting potential candidates getting voted off and The Jackal himself trying to drop a hint or two, that someone would have hit on the Fish before a wolf team was eliminated.

[path12]

I was surprised that we didn't hit the fish earlier also. I think we were down to two possibilities when we picked The Jackal.

And I never got his hint. I just saw it as another fish question.

[Chief Rum]

I was surprised that we didn't hit the fish earlier also. I think we were down to two possibilities when we picked The Jackal.

And I never got his hint. I just saw it as another fish question.

Well, I didn't say it was a "good" hint (j/k Jackal). Actually, it was tough for him to try to do, since, as he said, he needed to avoid being obvious but still find a way to drop a hint. I think if the Jackal had more experience with us, who might have been better able to drop hints. But as he himself noted a few times, he hasn't played with most of us until now, and played cautiopusly, letting others take the lead (and I can't say it is in theory a bad move to do so until he gets used to us).

[The Jackal]

Well here's the thing. While I was with the department, my win conditions were with the department. So I wasn't going to be all blatant and help the wolves win. If they found me, sure. It wasn't a big hint, I just imagined that they might be scanning the posts for any mention of the fish, especially an innocuous one.

[Schmidty]

Once again, I get the much coveted LVP Award.

Thank you!! Thank you!!!

[claphamsa]

DMTIT! I was all ready to explain why it was path......

vote path!

[claphamsa]

And its kinda funny, I love the your playing differnety argument, this is still only my 9-10 game on 2 boards.... Ive got thte your different in the last 2 tsw games too. maybe im finally figured it out? (not true, but who knows)

[Passacaglia]

It figures that The Jackal was The Fish -- I think I spent most of the game saying we should not bother fishing for The Jackal, since he voted for both Farrah and fink, and therefore would probably be more use to us as a villager to try to get lynched than The Fish. And on the day I was voted off, I had to put in the order since my teammates hadn't (thanks guys :p ), I figured we might as well fish for him then, since it was down to him and Schmidty, and I had just gotten into a little pissing match with him that day, so maybe it would help.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not surprsied path made it to the end. He's a great bad guy. I think it was a real good game CR, well done.

[oliegirl]

You know, now that everyone has come out and said "oh, I left this clue" or "oh, I picked up on this hint", I see it all...but NONE of it made sense last night. This was a great game, but as a worker, trying to figure out 2 factions of wolves and also worry about agreeing with the wrong side and ending up looking like a wolf (ala Mau), deciphering posts was like trying to see through mud.

Great game CR...it always amazes me the details y'all work into the games, I can't imagine how much time and effort goes into planning the game, let alone running them and keeping up with everything. Thanks!!!!!

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I knew that a strong wolf team coming out of the elimination of the other team would likely be too strong for the Department to defeat, so I put this mechanic in as a "just in case". It was only to be triggered if the surviving wolf team had three or more members. Two or less, and the Fish would have still continued to be convertible. Also, this only triggered after a wolf team was eliminated. So congrats on "beating the odds" and enabling this mechanism.

Frankly, I was a little surprised no one hit on Jackal earlier. Each team had six chances before the Crew was eliminated. I realize the two sides didn't know who the other side was fishing, but you go in knowing 8 of the 21 aren't the Fish (because they're wolves). I would have thought with each side having a 6 tries in 13 non-wolves chance, not even counting potential candidates getting voted off and The Jackal himself trying to drop a hint or two, that someone would have hit on the Fish before a wolf team was eliminated.

That's funny -- I didn't really see our 3-0 position as *that* strong, since we all had to be pretty public to get to that point, making it easier for them to pick us off one by one. I think our strategy of having me be "the" public guy worked pretty well, as The Heinz and path were able to help our cause if needed, but look less overt about it compared to me.

I loved playing this game as a wolf, but I could understand the villagers getting sick of it. It was cool to have to try to communicate with the other wolf team, but to have to not be obvious about it. And I think both wolf teams did a great job of not outing the wolves on the other team in their play.

[claphamsa]

FYI this was a top 2 game for me... and not just cuz i survived! it was awseom way to go all!!!!

[Dr. Sak]

Thanks chief, that was alot of fun.

I would love to know what BSak's rational was behind his rabid pursuit of me

A lot of it had to do with the fact that I didn't want to be wishy washy, and changing my vote each day. I knew you weren't a wolf, but you were being really defensive and not really giving any hard proof why you werent or couldn't be the fish.

Then the one day we tried to kill you and it said some force stopped us from doing that. I knew the bodyguard was out there but it was also a night where a wolf couldn't be killed at night by another wolf team. So I thought that you could've been converted and the killed couldn't have been processed because now you were "technically" a wolf.

That's really all I got.

[jeheinz72]

Woo! Way to go path! Good job bringing it home!

I had a blast this game, Pass, Path and SnDvls were great teammates and I thought we did things pretty wisely throughout. It was definitely challenging to try and get the other team out and not out ourselves. I was one of the ones on our squad who just wanted to try and blitz them (though ironically I think I was the one who had the least about of votes for Crew members).

CR, question for you, what happened on Night 3 when I was doing the killing as our Strongest Killer? Did they send their strongest but we were trumped because we had more members alive?

Oh, and Alan, when I typed "alan tndeacon" that was a little back-at-ya for what we all thought was that path reference. Heck I spent the rest of the thread trying my darnedest to not type the word "path" at all, I think I used route, avenue, way, road, etc.

Great game folks! Go Cougars!

[Lathum]

You only block one kill, Lathum. There were two wolf teams, each with their own kill orders. You blocked the one on yourself, which meant the other team's kill order went through without being challenged.

Then I have to ask what is the point of a bodyguard if ultimatly there will be a kill anyway?

[Lathum]

I knew you weren't a wolf, but you were being really defensive and not really giving any hard proof why you werent or couldn't be the fish.




Dude.

I really want to know how you expect me to do that.

Seriously, other then saying " I am not the fish" how am I supposed to show any proof about anything?

I have been playing since the first game ever on FOFC and as far as I can tell, there is no way to prove anything 100%.

someone, anyone?

[st.cronin]

Then I have to ask what is the point of a bodyguard if ultimatly there will be a kill anyway?

+1, that mechanic seems backwards to me - determine who the killer is, then check the bodyguard block.

Definitely a good game, Chief. Was fun to read along.

[Dr. Sak]

Dude.

I really want to know how you expect me to do that.

Seriously, other then saying " I am not the fish" how am I supposed to show any proof about anything?

I don't really know exactly how but you kept deflecting blame on me without giving any reason. Plus I was hoping you'd trip up because for one you weren't on my team so if you were either a villager or a wolf on the other team I wanted you eliminated.

[Lathum]

:D I don't really know exactly how but you kept deflecting blame on me without giving any reason. Plus I was hoping you'd trip up because for one you weren't on my team so if you were either a villager or a wolf on the other team I wanted you eliminated.

ok, that makes some sense.

At least admit there is nothing I can do to show any proof!!:D


And I usually deflec attention on someone accusing me and can be pretty annoying about it. MY theory is if you aren't with me your against me.

By day 5 I wanted people to thinlk I was the fish so I would be attacked at night, I knew I could protect myself and thought we would get a kill blocked and maybe out a wolf. To bad the other team got the kill, which I still don't really understand.

[SnDvls]

Yeah, that was some backfire. I think he felt he needed to make a stand so that he didn't seem to be a wolf in hiding, but chose his target poorly.

Actually, the Crew had a lot of bad luck. Besides bsak's aggressive pursuit of the "best" golfing buddy, Farrah was named by cronin--and cronin never even scanned Farrah (would have had he lived; far as I know, he voted Farrah on gut, and everyone assumed he had scanned her), and fink was away with job duties when he was in a tightly contested vote here (which literally turned on the final votes that day).

We, The Cougars, jumped on this right away and really pounded it...we were going all out to take her out that time and it worked.

[SnDvls]

Lots of fun, Chief. I'll have more later, but let me say that SnD, Pass and Heinz are great fun to be wolves with. Good job, guys!

same to you and the other wolves I had a great time being a baddie with you all

[jeheinz72]

Then I have to ask what is the point of a bodyguard if ultimatly there will be a kill anyway?

Well look at it as more of a protection for a certain player than a preventing a kill altogether. I don't recall who we actually killed that night (Arles)? But I'm sure we would've rather killed you.

[Alan T]

It figures that The Jackal was The Fish -- I think I spent most of the game saying we should not bother fishing for The Jackal, since he voted for both Farrah and fink, and therefore would probably be more use to us as a villager to try to get lynched than The Fish. And on the day I was voted off, I had to put in the order since my teammates hadn't (thanks guys :p ), I figured we might as well fish for him then, since it was down to him and Schmidty, and I had just gotten into a little pissing match with him that day, so maybe it would help.


That was actually my thought on the jackal too, that I didn't bother with him as I was using him as leverage against both Pass and Jeheinz down the road. ahh well.

[Passacaglia]

Well look at it as more of a protection for a certain player than a preventing a kill altogether. I don't recall who we actually killed that night (Arles)? But I'm sure we would've rather killed you.

Yeah, we killed Arlie that night. I actually thought that went rather well for us, since it got him to stop going after me, and it gave me a chance to run with my "they're all out to get me, and the fact that they killed Arlie is proof" theory.

[Passacaglia]

That was actually my thought on the jackal too, that I didn't bother with him as I was using him as leverage against both Pass and Jeheinz down the road. ahh well.

That's awesome. It's funny that because he was the fish, he voted with The Heinz hoping that would make us notice him, but instead it made us both avoid him!

[path12]

And its kinda funny, I love the your playing differnety argument, this is still only my 9-10 game on 2 boards.... Ive got thte your different in the last 2 tsw games too. maybe im finally figured it out? (not true, but who knows)

Heh. I was just trying to come up with some sort of plausible argument to get you lynched quickly!

[path12]

Oh, and Alan, when I typed "alan tndeacon" that was a little back-at-ya for what we all thought was that path reference. Heck I spent the rest of the thread trying my darnedest to not type the word "path" at all, I think I used route, avenue, way, road, etc.

That whole thing cracked me up. Both Heinz and Pass saw that right away. I told them that the word 'path' gets used in WW more than you might think........both hoops and Alan use the word quite a bit.

[st.cronin]

Just to correct what pass said about me as seer: Day 1 I NORMALLY try to scan somebody who received very few votes. The theory is that the 2nd place vote-getter will probably be lynched soon enough anyway, so what's the point. Occasionally the situation does dictate scanning the #2 vote-getter, and this was one of them, partly because Lathum is Lathum, and partly because he was giving me an odd vibe.

It really should have been apparent that I HAD scanned him, though - I pretty much telegrammed that fact with my posts at the beginning of day 2. I always try to leave clues about who I have scanned, and what their allegiance is.

In days 2+, I almost ALWAYS scan the person I vote for, unless there's a specific game situation that calls for somebody to be scanned, or unless I have already scanned a wolf and haven't revealed myself yet - in that case I'll vote the wolf and scan somebody else.

[Alan T]

That whole thing cracked me up. Both Heinz and Pass saw that right away. I told them that the word 'path' gets used in WW more than you might think........both hoops and Alan use the word quite a bit.

I honestly didn't think it was in response to anything I did. I sat there looking at that for like 3 minutes trying to figure out what he just typed.. I eventually just assumed it was a typo and he meant to type ala ntndeacon... That one flew right over my head. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I officially hate Path12

Good game guys! Sorry I lost it for the workers :(

I'm surprised you went on claphamsa. When I went back over the voting history, I was pretty certain the last Cougar was either you or Path.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The last day I was alive I tossed back and forth in my head all day if I wanted to blow up the other wolf team or make things harder for them, or not. I decided to just let things go knowing I was a goner and just see if the villagers could overcome it. I didn't know the role change regarding the fish at the time, so I assumed with my death, it would be a cakewalk for the wolves from that point on (As I warned the entire game but no one listened) :)
I listened!

[claphamsa]

Heh. I was just trying to come up with some sort of plausible argument to get you lynched quickly!
well someone pulled it out earlier too....

[Passacaglia]

That whole thing cracked me up. Both Heinz and Pass saw that right away. I told them that the word 'path' gets used in WW more than you might think........both hoops and Alan use the word quite a bit.

Yeah, but since it was Alan, I just assumed he was taking a lot of care in what he was typing. Hey, it was Day 1, and I wasn't sure how he was going to come out.

[Passacaglia]

Just to correct what pass said about me as seer: Day 1 I NORMALLY try to scan somebody who received very few votes. The theory is that the 2nd place vote-getter will probably be lynched soon enough anyway, so what's the point. Occasionally the situation does dictate scanning the #2 vote-getter, and this was one of them, partly because Lathum is Lathum, and partly because he was giving me an odd vibe.

It really should have been apparent that I HAD scanned him, though - I pretty much telegrammed that fact with my posts at the beginning of day 2. I always try to leave clues about who I have scanned, and what their allegiance is.

In days 2+, I almost ALWAYS scan the person I vote for, unless there's a specific game situation that calls for somebody to be scanned, or unless I have already scanned a wolf and haven't revealed myself yet - in that case I'll vote the wolf and scan somebody else.

It's interesting that you say that now, since in a PM to me you said you were surprised at how difficult it was to get people to follow me. I suspect some of that was because of the two-team dynamic. To be honest, I didn't see any of the stuff about Lathum. I guess I was pretty much just seeing what I wanted to see, and since I knew Farrah actually was a wolf, it didn't matter to me whether or not you actually scanned her. Plus, it really did remind me of that Willy Wonka game -- I don't remember if you've been a seer since then, but I guess your play that game really stuck out to me.

Would anyone else have gone after Farrah, if I hadn't? I'm wondering if the vote might have gravitated that way without me bringing it up.

[st.cronin]

It's interesting that you say that now, since in a PM to me you said you were surprised at how difficult it was to get people to follow me. I suspect some of that was because of the two-team dynamic. To be honest, I didn't see any of the stuff about Lathum. I guess I was pretty much just seeing what I wanted to see, and since I knew Farrah actually was a wolf, it didn't matter to me whether or not you actually scanned her. Plus, it really did remind me of that Willy Wonka game -- I don't remember if you've been a seer since then, but I guess your play that game really stuck out to me.

Would anyone else have gone after Farrah, if I hadn't? I'm wondering if the vote might have gravitated that way without me bringing it up.

Both cases should have presented as plausible - either I had scanned Lathum, OR I had scanned Farrah. In neither case should Lathum have been getting votes.

[Passacaglia]

Both cases should have presented as plausible - either I had scanned Lathum, OR I had scanned Farrah. In neither case should Lathum have been getting votes.

That's a good point. I wasn't all that interested in clearing Lathum, though.

[Alan T]

It's interesting that you say that now, since in a PM to me you said you were surprised at how difficult it was to get people to follow me. I suspect some of that was because of the two-team dynamic. To be honest, I didn't see any of the stuff about Lathum. I guess I was pretty much just seeing what I wanted to see, and since I knew Farrah actually was a wolf, it didn't matter to me whether or not you actually scanned her. Plus, it really did remind me of that Willy Wonka game -- I don't remember if you've been a seer since then, but I guess your play that game really stuck out to me.

Would anyone else have gone after Farrah, if I hadn't? I'm wondering if the vote might have gravitated that way without me bringing it up.


It was day 2, you don't have anything to work on since no wolf had been killed, and everything else left might have been or might not have been red herrings.

The only things to go on for that day were:

1) Look at Lathum closer (which lathum is a good enough player that I didn't see that having legs for long)
2) Look at who was involved with Barkeep the previous day since he was the guy you all chose to kill that night. Ie: Barkeep and Path had a little fling during the previous day before you all killed BK. (Usually of late, people gloss over who the night kill victim had voted for earlier in the game, it is often just an attempt to get people on the wrong trail and it is a hard thing to push too hard for in this game without coming off as appearing to have some other agenda to others.)
3) Run with whom did St.cronin look at heavily as he was the seer.. (This seemed the most viable since Cronin didn't leave a huge hint one way or another that became obvious in an attempt to protect his life) The damning part here was Cronin's utter fixation at staying on Farrah the entire day despite everything else going on near the deadline (even when cronin could have broken a tie, he chose to stay on Farrah, an independant third party).
4) Push people to the anti-fink crowd, and try to encourage people to look at specific people there for other reasons. (This is what I tried to push, and had a decent arguement why.. the main reason the villagers lost the game was the very reason I illustrated this day.)

Problem I ran into was even though there were very few votes casted early in the day, both were for Farrah, and a bigger problem was that of the several people in the thread discussing the situation, far more seemed interested in trusting cronin at faith that he was leaving a hint than trying to take a stab in the dark a different direction. Arles was the only one who was thinking along the lines that I wanted people to, and it was only a matter of time before the 4 or 5 others who were around were going to make their move, so I jumped in early before others did and just ran with it.

Perhaps that is where I helped my team lose the game, just hearing the discussion from several people that morning, it seemed obvious that Farrah was going to get alot of votes, and people were more interested in trying to not have people think they were a wolf, than trying to find a wolf I think at this point.

[Passacaglia]

Perhaps that is where I helped my team lose the game, just hearing the discussion from several people that morning, it seemed obvious that Farrah was going to get alot of votes, and people were more interested in trying to not have people think they were a wolf, than trying to find a wolf I think at this point.

I think you made the right move there, actually -- despite the fact that I later tried to spin it every which way from Sunday. I think you were right that Farrah was probably going down even that early, and the best move was to let her go, then go for me the next day to even the score.

[Alan T]

I think you made the right move there, actually -- despite the fact that I later tried to spin it every which way from Sunday. I think you were right that Farrah was probably going down even that early, and the best move was to let her go, then go for me the next day to even the score.


That is what my goal was, unfortunately it never gained traction. :)

[jeheinz72]

I think just looking at your posts Alan would've provided the answer on my fake reveal. You were all up in my business there the first few days.

[Chief Rum]

CR, question for you, what happened on Night 3 when I was doing the killing as our Strongest Killer? Did they send their strongest but we were trumped because we had more members alive?

One of the few things I "randomized" was which team would open with the highest "killer" and which the highest "fish". I had it set up so that Team A had the 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th best killers and 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th best fishers and vica versa for Team B. This switched every wolf kill night.

The Crew "won" that first right of having the best killer for the first three nights (and Cougars had the best fisher). They sent Farrah to do the killing that day and she was their strongest. So the Crew took that one as a result.

[Chief Rum]

Then I have to ask what is the point of a bodyguard if ultimatly there will be a kill anyway?

You still get a block. You may not stop the kill, but you save your target. And there is value in that (IMO). Heck, it saved you. :D

[Chief Rum]

+1, that mechanic seems backwards to me - determine who the killer is, then check the bodyguard block.

Definitely a good game, Chief. Was fun to read along.

Hmm, not sure you're understanding, or perhaps I am not understanding what you're getting it. :confused:

There are two sets of killers, each with their target. There is a BG with one person to protect. They all influence at the same time, during the day leading up to the night's results. No one goes before anyone else.

And, of course, when there is one wolf team, it would have been a standard block if Lathum were still around.

[Passacaglia]

Man...there was at least one post where I intentionally mixed up the names of the two teams...plus I kept saying stuff like "the other team" to imply that I didn't really remember which team is which, hoping that people voting (or even better, the duke) would pick up on how clueless I was. Oh, well.

[Alan T]

Man...there was at least one post where I intentionally mixed up the names of the two teams...plus I kept saying stuff like "the other team" to imply that I didn't really remember which team is which, hoping that people voting (or even better, the duke) would pick up on how clueless I was. Oh, well.


Don't worry, I picked up on how clueless you were! :D