WW LXIX - Battlestar WereWolf - GAME OVER CYLONS WIN!

[Lathum]

This makes me feel pretty good about claphamsa, since no attempt was coordinated to save him.

there was also no effort to lynch him.

[RendeR]

So, I'm wondering this:

I watched the show for the first few seasons, and I can't remember...

Do the Cylons ever show any hints of passing out from exhaustion?


Actually there are a number of scenes where Cylon-Humanoid models appear to be exhausted, injured, tired etc etc.

Not that that has any relevance here though =)

[path12]

there was also no effort to lynch him.

Actually there was a pretty damn good effort, there was a tie after all. I guess you could look at that as a failure, but you'd have to think that a fellow wolf would have switched to no lynch to prevent an uncertain tie resolution. Unless they were all already there.

I don't think it clears him by any stretch, but it tempts me to look elsewhere for now. Did anyone have anything happen?

[mauchow]

Actually there are a number of scenes where Cylon-Humanoid models appear to be exhausted, injured, tired etc etc.

Not that that has any relevance here though =)

I thought so! And sorry for trying to think that there'd be a message behind it. lmao

[claphamsa]

woo hoo!

Good news we won 9-1 gooder news I scored 4 goals and had 3 assist.
bad news The #1 socrer on my team scored the other 5, no scoring title for me :(

[Sonic Youth]

It was a quiet night by the looks of things last night. I didn't see anyone last night, and nothing happened that I saw.

[Narcizo]

Well that was a result then (no night kills). Anyone got a block to report? Otherwise I guess it might be due to location. Maybe the Cylon killer can only target one area. Although that seems a bit limiting for them. Or maybe they forgot their night orders (as seems pretty common here).

I agree with Path about Clap. It doesn't clear him by a long chalk, as it seems there weren't many people around at the deadline. But with there probably not being very many wolves it seems unlikely that they'd risk one of their numbers against a no lynch. In answer to Lath it's more likely that wolves would change a vote to protect one of their own rather than to lynch a villager. (Presumably) moving from no lynch to a lynch just to get a villager seems way too risky for a wolf to do. Admittedly moving from lynch to no lynch would be pretty risky as well but it might be worth it to protect a wolf if there are, say, only three of them.

[Narcizo]

Unvote No Lynch

Vote Claphamsa.

Did the my rhetoric win you over or why did you switch your vote, Sonic? I would have thought that No Lynch is a matter of principle and I'm very interested in hearing why you would move off of it. Let's face it, there was really no evidence against Clap so why would you move from a no lynch to voting for him?

[Sonic Youth]

Claphamsa was on my radar for who he selected as his true vote, because he messed around with that. Plus, the person he voted for was one of two people who said they were human, though how much we can take that on at this stage is anyones guess. My no lynch was always a question mark. Clap's going to be after me now though :D

Which brings me on to something that RendeR mentioned, half human half Cylon. Which side will they be on, and could they swap sides at any time?

[Narcizo]

I'm guessing all the cylons are humanoid cylons, otherwise they would be fairly easy to spot.

Anyhoo, I can't think of any reason why we shouldn't reveal where we went the night before. Hopefully there will be useful information that we can gather from that. I went to the Battlestar Pegasus and didn't see anyone there. I agree with the general consensus that we shouldn't reveal where we are going though and I did find Jackal's post pretty confusing which, added with his lack of night action and the lack of night kill puts him at the top of my suspicious list.

[Sonic Youth]

I'm guessing all the cylons are humanoid cylons, otherwise they would be fairly easy to spot.
Hence the war and the trust issues. What I was meaning was that to look at half clyon/human, they'll look human right? So how will we know which side they are on by looking at them? Will they swing sides? Just a thought.

[Sonic Youth]

And is there any out there I guess.

[Narcizo]

Um... we don't know which side they are by looking at them. That would make for the shortest game of Werewolf ever.

I think you're getting hung up on the phrase "humanoid-cylon". I presume that humanoid-cylons (presumably 100% cylons that look like humans, although I've only seen a couple of episodes of the new series) are the wolves. I haven't seen any other reference to half human/half cylons. The victory conditions don't really seem to allow for a hybrid either.

[Sonic Youth]

I've never seen the show, which was why I put the idea out there.

Bugger, I keep thinking this has some link to Starship Troopers.

[claphamsa]

Claphamsa was on my radar for who he selected as his true vote, because he messed around with that. Plus, the person he voted for was one of two people who said they were human, though how much we can take that on at this stage is anyones guess. My no lynch was always a question mark. Clap's going to be after me now though :D

Which brings me on to something that RendeR mentioned, half human half Cylon. Which side will they be on, and could they swap sides at any time?

dont worry im not after you :)

[Narcizo]

Clues: Clues to finding earth. They might be items, they might be snippestof communication signals, they could be rusty relics sitting in a museum. Anything could be a clue, find all 12 and you could find Earth.


Anyone got theories about the clues? I'm guessing that in the most cases the cylons will get hold of clues if a) they find them and b)they kill someone who has a clue. So I guess it might not be ideal to come out and say that you have a clue. However that situation really favours the cylons as they'll be able to co-ordinate their night activities and pool their clues. I'm struggling to see how we can possibly compete with them in this respect. Of course we have numbers on our side but if we can never come out and say what clues we've found I don't see what we can do.

I wish Chief Rum was in this game. He already gives me stuff to think about around about this time.

[Passacaglia]

there was also no effort to lynch him.

I don't see that as a really big deal -- if clap is good, my thinking is that the wolves would just look at it as a bonus if we lynch him, but not worth sticking their necks out for -- the risk of losing one wolf is a bigger deal than getting one villager lynched.

[jeheinz72]

Well, I for one am glad we didn't lynch clap. I think the proof is in the pudding that no one came to save him.

Not much for me last night, I headed to Cloud 9 (who wouldn't want to go there!?!) and saw Pass there (no mention of the person who saw me though, which is odd)

[Passacaglia]

Well, I for one am glad we didn't lynch clap. I think the proof is in the pudding that no one came to save him.

Not much for me last night, I headed to Cloud 9 (who wouldn't want to go there!?!) and saw Pass there (no mention of the person who saw me though, which is odd)

My experience is the same -- I saw you, but not path.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PATH12

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, in that case...

[jeheinz72]

Vote path12

[claphamsa]

huh, so path saw you alls? but you didnt see him?

[Narcizo]

The more I think about the more I think that everyone providing their location from the night before will help us narrow things down. Presuming that any night killer has to be in the same location as the victim I think this could be a big source of information at best and at worst an irritant for the Cylons. Unless I can be offered a great reason why we shouldn't diverge this information I'll be inclined to be more suspicious of anyone who doesn't want to give up their location.

1. Mauboy1
2. PurdueBrad
3. The Jackal - no order given. Presumably still on Caprica (#245)
4. greyroofoo
5. claphamsa
6. Jeheinz72 - Cloud 9. Saw Pass. (#268)
7. nfg22
8. Passacaglia - Cloud 9. Saw Heinz. (#269)
9. St. Cronin
10. Narcizo - Battlestar Pegasus. Saw no-one. (#260)
11. Lathum
12. Sonic Youth
13. Path12 - Presumably Cloud 9? Saw Pass and Heinz (#249)
14. barkeep49

[Narcizo]

I'm really not seeing how this is damning of Path. Why would he claim to have seen you both before either of you mentioned where you were or that you were in the same location. We know nothing of the mechanism of who sees whom and I just don't see what Cylon Path would get from coming out with that information.

I'm still more suspicious of Jackal's strange comments and his lack of night action/lack of night kill. Lots of people have been on and no-one is claiming a block.

[Passacaglia]

I'm really not seeing how this is damning of Path. Why would he claim to have seen you both before either of you mentioned where you were or that you were in the same location. We know nothing of the mechanism of who sees whom and I just don't see what Cylon Path would get from coming out with that information.

I'm still more suspicious of Jackal's strange comments and his lack of night action/lack of night kill. Lots of people have been on and no-one is claiming a block.

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

[Passacaglia]

That said, I'm willing to look elsewhere, if an intriguing argument comes by. But at this point, he's a -1 in a sea of zeroes.

[Narcizo]

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

This makes me think that there's all the more reason for people to come out with info on their locations last night so we can get a better grip on how the whole location system works. Maybe this business of seeing someone but not being seen is a common-place occurance.

[Passacaglia]

This makes me think that there's all the more reason for people to come out with info on their locations last night so we can get a better grip on how the whole location system works. Maybe this business of seeing someone but not being seen is a common-place occurance.

I think you're right. I can see why people wouldn't want to reveal what their location was -- I wasn't planning to, until others revealed it for me. But if we can get information like this out of it, revealing locations might be a good thing.

[Narcizo]

I'm heading home soon. Hopefully I'll be around this evening/afternoon, if I can actually get on the computer at all. :mad:

I'd better get a vote in now though, in case I can't make it.

[Narcizo]

Vote Jackal

[path12]

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

I never said where I was (though it was Cloud 9). I only said who I saw there. I can't help the fact that you guys apparently didn't see me, though I expected you had and am bummed to that's not the case. I don't see how that makes me a Cylon. I am 100% human, Kara.

[Passacaglia]

I never said where I was (though it was Cloud 9). I only said who I saw there. I can't help the fact that you guys apparently didn't see me, though I expected you had and am bummed to that's not the case. I don't see how that makes me a Cylon. I am 100% human, Kara.

Go on...

[Passacaglia]

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that you said you were at Cloud 9 hydroponics -- I just meant that you gave the info about who you saw there. You're saying you had no idea that we wouldn't see you?

[path12]

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that you said you were at Cloud 9 hydroponics -- I just meant that you gave the info about who you saw there. You're saying you had no idea that we wouldn't see you?

Since my PM said we were riding in the same shuttle I thought sure you would have seen me. I glimpsed heinz in a crowd so I could see that being somewhat iffy.

[Passacaglia]

Did we talk?

[path12]

Not that I'm aware of.

[Passacaglia]

Knowing that we didn't see you in the shuttle, do you feel like you might know why that happened?

[path12]

Knowing that we didn't see you in the shuttle, do you feel like you might know why that happened?

I have one theory but feel it's best to keep that under wraps for now.

[jeheinz72]

Was anyone else headed to Cloud 9? THat woudl help alleviate my suspicions of path (a bit)

[claphamsa]

did RendR give us any info on finding Earth? Or is it just hell PM us anythign we may need to know? And do we know anythign about the locales? I didnt go anywhere.....

[claphamsa]

check that, I did go somewhere, but I just picked at random.

[jeheinz72]

I found out nothing about earth. It seems all I did was go from Caprica to Cloud 9, noticing Pass along the way.

[jeheinz72]

I found out nothing about earth. It seems all I did was go from Caprica to Cloud 9, noticing Pass along the way.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, checking in. I went to Raptor and found nothing. As for last night's vote, I'm of the same mind, I read it as a good sign for claph that there was not a noticeable move to save him.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, since no one seems to have countered path's reveal of being Kara yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE PATH12

[PurdueBrad]

The no lynch yesterday means that day two is another version of day one but at least there was no night kill. I'll throw another random vote out there

vote Narcizo

[Passacaglia]

The no lynch yesterday means that day two is another version of day one but at least there was no night kill. I'll throw another random vote out there

vote Narcizo

Maybe the wolves didn't want to risk killing one of their own on the first night, just like us! ;)

Anyway, now that my vote is open, why the switch from me to Narcizo?

[jeheinz72]

Okay, since no one seems to have countered path's reveal of being Kara yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

But who is to say that Kara is a Human or a Cylon? I mean I could say my name is Billy Bob Smith, but what the heck does that matter/mean if any character could be on either side.

[Passacaglia]

But who is to say that Kara is a Human or a Cylon? I mean I could say my name is Billy Bob Smith, but what the heck does that matter/mean if any character could be on either side.

I agree -- that's why it's the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I'd also like to see if anyone else claims to be Kara, to see if path is lying. It's a long shot, but you never know.

[path12]

But who is to say that Kara is a Human or a Cylon? I mean I could say my name is Billy Bob Smith, but what the heck does that matter/mean if any character could be on either side.

Along the same lines though, what's the upside of me putting info out there as a wolf if there's the possibility of getting caught day 2?

[Passacaglia]

Along the same lines though, what's the upside of me putting info out there as a wolf if there's the possibility of getting caught day 2?

It could be that you're a wolf that knows Kara is not in the game, or something. But this isn't really the road I wanted to go down -- it's pretty clearly stated in the rules that it doesn't say much about your allegiance either way. But I appreciate your reveal in getting things going. What I'm interested in is if:

a) Someone else claims to be Kara
b) Someone who knows about the show can tell us what role path might have, as Kara.

[claphamsa]

pass. your B contradicts your begining stament, we know that there is no relation between the show and the names, so who cares?

[X]-Almost got lynched last game for haveing a name, that was bad int he show, even though I wasnt.

[jeheinz72]

Along the same lines though, what's the upside of me putting info out there as a wolf if there's the possibility of getting caught day 2?

I don't necessarily doubt that you're Kara (though I'd love a counter-revealer if there is one!)

I just doubt that Kara is without a doubt a Human, that's my main point. You could very well be Kara. Kara could also be a Cylon.

[jeheinz72]

pass. your B contradicts your begining stament, we know that there is no relation between the show and the names, so who cares?

[X]-Almost got lynched last game for haveing a name, that was bad int he show, even though I wasnt.


I think what Pass is getting at is, what types of things can Kara do. Of course I still don't know if that means a whole heckuva lot. Granted I know nothing about my character at all really, so I have no means to go off of

[Passacaglia]

pass. your B contradicts your begining stament, we know that there is no relation between the show and the names, so who cares?

[X]-Almost got lynched last game for haveing a name, that was bad int he show, even though I wasnt.

I'm making a distinction between role and allegiance here. I'm not saying that path is either good or bad, but I'm wondering what kind of ability he might have either way.

[Passacaglia]

Characters: Character names are directly from the show. They do NOT corelate directly with ANY abilities or ANY roles. Character names, roles, factions and anything else will be assigned in a totally random fashion.

Just saw this in the rules. I'm not sure I believe it, based on my name and role, though. I really think that if I didn't have the name I have, I wouldn't have the power I have.

[claphamsa]

but if there is no link between roll and alegience, why asume there is a link between roll and power?

[Barkeep49]

Just saw this in the rules. I'm not sure I believe it, based on my name and role, though. I really think that if I didn't have the name I have, I wouldn't have the power I have.
The connection between my character and his power is tenuous at best.

[Passacaglia]

but if there is no link between roll and alegience, why asume there is a link between roll and power?

See my post above. The rules say that abilities and names aren't correlated, but I just don't believe it.

[jeheinz72]

It's tough for me to gauge. My character on the show seems basically bad (or at the least nefarious), while I am a Human. I have no real ability to do anything, so I don't know if that really corrolates (I have no idea about the character aside from basic wiki-skimming).

[jeheinz72]

I'd bet the big hitters corrolate (who they are and what they could do, I have no idea), but I bet the fringe-y folks like mine are just kinda "there"

[Passacaglia]

I'd bet the big hitters corrolate (who they are and what they could do, I have no idea), but I bet the fringe-y folks like mine are just kinda "there"

That flies in the face of the rules, I think. But I agree, and I think that path needs protection tonight.

[claphamsa]

See my post above. The rules say that abilities and names aren't correlated, but I just don't believe it.

I think its a stretch that RendeR lied in his own rules....

[claphamsa]

But that would make it DAMN interesting :)

[Narcizo]

The no lynch yesterday means that day two is another version of day one but at least there was no night kill. I'll throw another random vote out there

vote Narcizo

Not wishing to sound overly defensive (although my time zone situation means that I probably tend to be so) but do you not think that there has been enough information to come up with a non-random reason for voting. I don't mind you voting for me because you don't like me pushing for people to reveal where they were last night (I notice that this has pretty much been ignored by most people who have been around, without discussion) or me having the second vote on Clap. But a random vote at this stage seems a bit weak.

And yes that is a tacit acknowledgement that a no lynch on day one doesn't necessarily make day two a repeat run of day one.

[Passacaglia]

Not wishing to sound overly defensive (although my time zone situation means that I probably tend to be so) but do you not think that there has been enough information to come up with a non-random reason for voting. I don't mind you voting for me because you don't like me pushing for people to reveal where they were last night (I notice that this has pretty much been ignored by most people who have been around, without discussion) or me having the second vote on Clap. But a random vote at this stage seems a bit weak.

And yes that is a tacit acknowledgement that a no lynch on day one doesn't necessarily make day two a repeat run of day one.

I guess I'm partly to blame for the lack of discussion about locations, since I started a mini-witch-hunt on the first person to say anything about last night, and ended up outing one of the main characters in the process. But I do agree with you that getting location info out there will help us out.

As for this day two being different from day one, I don't think there's THAT much difference. We've had one slight altercation about hydroponics, and not much else. We've semi-cleared claphamsa, assuming that wolves wouldn't stick their necks out to save him -- basically that the wolves were indifferent, so I don't think we're going to get much out of that vote.

Narc, I think you have one of the few votes out there. I know why Heinz voted the way he did, PB said his vote was random...can you elaborate on yuor reasoning for your vote?

[path12]

I don't mind you voting for me because you don't like me pushing for people to reveal where they were last night (I notice that this has pretty much been ignored by most people who have been around, without discussion)

It's out there now where I was last night, but my feeling on the locations hasn't changed, especially since there was no night kill. No night kill says to me that:

1) There was a conversion. Night 1 seems a bit of a stretch for something like that, but possible.
2) There was an attack and it was blocked. Nobody has come forward to say anything of the sort.
3) There was an attack and it failed for some other reason. Possibly the Cylon and the target need to be at the same place? Would lean towards keeping our location plans quiet.
4) There was no attack at all. This seems odd also, unless a deadline mixup.

I think 2 or 3 are most likely, so I don't think anyone should say where they're going. Reporting on where you were last night seems more OK, unless you plan on staying there again......

[jeheinz72]

That flies in the face of the rules, I think. But I agree, and I think that path needs protection tonight.

Yeah it does, but having just run a similar game, it's my line of thinking.

[claphamsa]

I agree,
you forgot #5 - Random.org

[Passacaglia]

It's out there now where I was last night, but my feeling on the locations hasn't changed, especially since there was no night kill. No night kill says to me that:

1) There was a conversion. Night 1 seems a bit of a stretch for something like that, but possible.
2) There was an attack and it was blocked. Nobody has come forward to say anything of the sort.
3) There was an attack and it failed for some other reason. Possibly the Cylon and the target need to be at the same place? Would lean towards keeping our location plans quiet.
4) There was no attack at all. This seems odd also, unless a deadline mixup.

I think 2 or 3 are most likely, so I don't think anyone should say where they're going. Reporting on where you were last night seems more OK, unless you plan on staying there again......

Even if you plan on staying there again, I think it's okay to reveal you were there the night before -- unless you think the wolves know you have a sedentary lifestyle..

[jeheinz72]

I'd say #2 is the most probable to me.

#1 is downright frieghtening.

[Narcizo]

Interesting theory about the rules being deliberately misleading. I've got to say that, at them moment, there really isn't much evidence to support the idea that it's anything more than random. I don't think we should get all het up just because one person claims to have a role that seems to match their name.

However I do think that the possibility means that we definitely should not be mentioning names willy-nilly.

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, thinking about path's scenario #3, what if the bodyguard needs to be in the same place as path? If that's the case, maybe path should reveal his location, so we can protect him? I think we should have a good number of people think this is a good idea before we seriously consider it, and maybe whoever is the bodyguard can blend in with the 4-6 people that agree with it. Also, I don't want to look like I'm a wolf trying to figure out where path is.

[jeheinz72]

Interesting theory about the rules being deliberately misleading. I've got to say that, at them moment, there really isn't much evidence to support the idea that it's anything more than random. I don't think we should get all het up just because one person claims to have a role that seems to match their name.

However I do think that the possibility means that we definitely should not be mentioning names willy-nilly.

Oh I agree there is no evidence of it (heck, no Human has anything more than their own role to go off of).

The 2nd part of your post is actually what kinda struck me the most about path's note. I mean I have to assume path is either

A) A show watcher and would know she's a lead character
B) A non-show watcher who would wiki her

So since I know path is a smart guy, I'd think he either

A) Doesn't have a power which would align with Kara's presumptive abilities
B) Didn't do a quick scan of his character, as I've seen him do in the past
or
C) Is a wolf who knows that he's not really risking anything by posting it.

My vote is still on him, but my gut says it's not B. If it's C, great. If it's A then I'd surmise we could do worse.

[jeheinz72]

I'm personally not taking too much stock in the "same location" theories. I mean we have 9 locations to 14 players. That's a pretty low player:place ratio. I can't imagine RendeR is going to want his game to eventually disseminate into a big game of tag when we're down to say 4-5 people.

[Narcizo]

It's out there now where I was last night, but my feeling on the locations hasn't changed, especially since there was no night kill. No night kill says to me that:

1) There was a conversion. Night 1 seems a bit of a stretch for something like that, but possible.
2) There was an attack and it was blocked. Nobody has come forward to say anything of the sort.
3) There was an attack and it failed for some other reason. Possibly the Cylon and the target need to be at the same place? Would lean towards keeping our location plans quiet.
4) There was no attack at all. This seems odd also, unless a deadline mixup.

I think 2 or 3 are most likely, so I don't think anyone should say where they're going. Reporting on where you were last night seems more OK, unless you plan on staying there again......

As you point out I don't think people should be saying where they're going but I can't help but think that knowing where people have been will help us track down the Cylons. If they have to be in the same area then it's going to make them sweat knowing that there's a chance that this will catch them out.
1) I've thought about a conversion but it seems like really poor play by the Cylons to convert on day one. Surely they're better off waiting on that one.
2) It's possible that blocks don't show up as such. Or maybe the person targeted has reasons for not wanting to reveal that they saw or block or haven't actually logged on yet.
3) I mentioned this but it seems like a horrible limitation on the Cylons. Admittedly they might get that back in other ways (numbers or other powers) so, obviously, it's a possibility.
4) This seems a like a real possibility to me. I know I've been part of a missed night kill as a wolf because of a snafu. However this point also neatly leads me on to Pass's question about why I'm voing Jackal. He didn't have a night action. There wasn't a night kill. (This may also apply to Barkeep).

If you were to ask me I'd go with 4,2,3,1 in order of liklihood.

[Passacaglia]

Oh I agree there is no evidence of it (heck, no Human has anything more than their own role to go off of).

The 2nd part of your post is actually what kinda struck me the most about path's note. I mean I have to assume path is either

A) A show watcher and would know she's a lead character
B) A non-show watcher who would wiki her

So since I know path is a smart guy, I'd think he either

A) Doesn't have a power which would align with Kara's presumptive abilities
B) Didn't do a quick scan of his character, as I've seen him do in the past
or
C) Is a wolf who knows that he's not really risking anything by posting it.

My vote is still on him, but my gut says it's not B. If it's C, great. If it's A then I'd surmise we could do worse.

I don't see it as crazy to have given his name like that. Two votes followed in quick succession, and we're sitting at Day 2 with a vote that gives us next to no information -- if I were him, I'd be worried about a bandwagon forming on me. I'm not saying I trust him totally, but he's raised his "-1" to back to 0, maybe even +0.5. I'm just saying that I can see where he's coming from in revealing early -- if he did it later, you run the risk of all the people with votes on him thinking it's some kind of fake reveal. Which he's probably still in a little bit of danger of -- if he gets more votes, the ante gets upped, and he'd probably have to reveal his abilities. While I'm *extremely* curious as to what he would say if that happens, I don't think it's best for the village to push for it.

[Passacaglia]

As you point out I don't think people should be saying where they're going but I can't help but think that knowing where people have been will help us track down the Cylons. If they have to be in the same area then it's going to make them sweat knowing that there's a chance that this will catch them out.
1) I've thought about a conversion but it seems like really poor play by the Cylons to convert on day one. Surely they're better off waiting on that one.
2) It's possible that blocks don't show up as such. Or maybe the person targeted has reasons for not wanting to reveal that they saw or block or haven't actually logged on yet.
3) I mentioned this but it seems like a horrible limitation on the Cylons. Admittedly they might get that back in other ways (numbers or other powers) so, obviously, it's a possibility.
4) This seems a like a real possibility to me. I know I've been part of a missed night kill as a wolf because of a snafu. However this point also neatly leads me on to Pass's question about why I'm voing Jackal. He didn't have a night action. There wasn't a night kill. (This may also apply to Barkeep).

If you were to ask me I'd go with 4,2,3,1 in order of liklihood.

But come on -- if you were a wolf, and responsible for executing the night kill, and slipped up, why would you also say you didn't put in a night action?

[Narcizo]

Also we have no idea how cylon killing works. They might be able to pick anyone, they might not be able to kill people at certain locations, who knows. The optimal thing to do would probably be to coordinate where we travel at night so that we don't have everyone going to the same place. In that way we'd hopefully learn as much as possible about each location and what it has to offer, and likely have a better chance to pick up more clues. However, coordinating that would probably give a big advantage to the cylons, so it might be best to use our own discretion and keep info to ourselves until it seems prudent to start spilling it, since the cylons are also looking for earth.

I mean this post just look willfully obtuse. I know Jackal has covered this by saying he was trying to say that we shouldn't reveal locations but my initial read of this post was that it was arguing for us to do just that.

That being said I'm starting to wonder if a wolf Jackal would immediately come out and say that he hadn't posted a night action. Admittedly he did it after Barkeep did the same thing so it's sort of like a second vote but my gut is starting to tell me that a wolf wouldn't have considered making such a convoluted confusing post or claiming not to have sent in a night action.

So I dunno, basically.

[path12]

I mean I have to assume path is either

A) A show watcher and would know she's a lead character
B) A non-show watcher who would wiki her

So since I know path is a smart guy, I'd think he either

A) Doesn't have a power which would align with Kara's presumptive abilities
B) Didn't do a quick scan of his character, as I've seen him do in the past
or
C) Is a wolf who knows that he's not really risking anything by posting it.

My vote is still on him, but my gut says it's not B. If it's C, great. If it's A then I'd surmise we could do worse.

You'll forgive me if I decline to elaborate further than I already wanted to, I hope.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, no worries Path.

I don't know if my vote is coming off of you though, given the (lack of) other options.

[Lathum]

I am floored that you guys think Clap should have any added level of trust, the fact that no one moved their vote late to him could be just as damning as voting for someone else to save him.

[Lathum]

VOTE NARCIZO

[Lathum]

purduebrads vote seems to random

[claphamsa]

how does it seem to random? and why do you follow it up, if you think its random?

[The Jackal]

Been a busy work day for me. Catching up on the phone since I'm currently getting plastered before going to MSG for the flyers v rangers (LETS GO FLYERS). I'm sorry if my first few posts set off warning bells, but I assure you I'm not a cylon, and I really didn't get a night action in. But tonight I definitely will, ill make sure to submit before I get too drunk ;)

Do we think cylons would be aggresively pushing lynch votes at this stage or staying in the background and latching on?

[mauchow]

vote narcizo

[mauchow]

The only reason for my vote is because of one of his last analysis' and the fact that I have to leave to go out soon so I might not get a chance to make another vote.

The fact that he thinks the wolves forgot to make a night kill action seems a bit silly does it for me. Not a whole lot else to go on. I do kinda understand where heinz is coming from.

[st.cronin]

Catching up, nothing to report from last night. I tried to board one of the Vipers, but somebody beat me to it, and I'm still on Peprika.

[Narcizo]

My gut instinct is telling me that Jackal isn't a wolf. I'm inclined to trust Path. (Which is a first) I don't like leaving until after deadline when I'm leading the voting. PB if your vote is truly random then I would say that it would be less damaging placed elsewhere.

I don't understand Lathum's voting and subsequent comment but it strikes me as a vote and run. I think he's going to be saying that he voted by mistake. I'm hoping that this will be sooner rather than later. If he doesn't show up again until after the vote I'll be really suspicious of him. Well, if I'm still alive that is. I don't have anything else to go on so I'm going to go with my instinct at Lathum's two posts.

[jeheinz72]

FYI, I'm outta here in a half hour.

I"m open to moving my vote, but am less than enthused about what's been presented thus far.

[mauchow]

Honestly, I want to vote no lynch and try to get one more day's worth of info but nobody will latch onto that idea. I'll try to check one more time before dinner and movie to see if I should change my vote.

[Narcizo]

Unvote Jackal
Vote Lathum

[jeheinz72]

Honestly, I want to vote no lynch and try to get one more day's worth of info but nobody will latch onto that idea. I'll try to check one more time before dinner and movie to see if I should change my vote.

I thought about this, but yeah, I don't think it'd fly, given that no lynch didn't even "win" yesterday.

Plus, maybe we should just take the gift we were given, an (apparent) break-even yesterday.

[Narcizo]

Honestly, I want to vote no lynch and try to get one more day's worth of info but nobody will latch onto that idea. I'll try to check one more time before dinner and movie to see if I should change my vote.

You should move your vote. :)

I'm off now. Hope to see people tomorrow.

[path12]

FYI, I'm outta here in a half hour.

I"m open to moving my vote, but am less than enthused about what's been presented thus far.

By me or by everyone else? It seems like it's mainly been you, Narc, Pass and I today until lately.

[path12]

Honestly, I want to vote no lynch and try to get one more day's worth of info but nobody will latch onto that idea. I'll try to check one more time before dinner and movie to see if I should change my vote.

I would vote for anyone who votes No Lynch today. In a heartbeat.

[st.cronin]

I'm amused by posts 334 and 335.

[st.cronin]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but do we know how the tie was broken?

[jeheinz72]

By me or by everyone else? It seems like it's mainly been you, Narc, Pass and I today until lately.

Both.

I'm not overly convinced about your alibi, or at least not as much as others.

I'm also not overly excited about the other potential voting options.

[claphamsa]

I'm amused by posts 334 and 335.


as am i....

[Barkeep49]

I'd bet the big hitters corrolate (who they are and what they could do, I have no idea), but I bet the fringe-y folks like mine are just kinda "there"

I'll buy that as I am more of a fringe character and my power doesn't correlate so well. And I'm pretty sure, if you've told the truth that I have narrowed who you are down to two characters.

[RendeR]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but do we know how the tie was broken?



It hasn't, and No, you do't.

[jeheinz72]

Well I'm outta here, I"m sticking with Path

[claphamsa]

count anyone?

[path12]

Both.

I'm not overly convinced about your alibi, or at least not as much as others.

I'm also not overly excited about the other potential voting options.

Fair enough. If there's a question you have, go for it. I'll answer as long as it doesn't compromise me further.

[RendeR]

I'm at work, I'll try to get a vote count up soonish.

[path12]

Through post #359:

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 1 -- Narcizo (345)

Not voted: The Jackal, Greyroofoo, claphamsa, nfg22, Passacaglia, st.cronin, Sonic Youth, path12, Barkeep49

[st.cronin]

VOTE LATHUM

[st.cronin]

He argues that we shouldn't trust claphamsa, calls Purduebrad's vote shaky - and then in his vote aligns himself WITH PurdueBrad, leaving clap completely out of it. Shady stuff, if you ask me.

[Lathum]

sigh

since you all asked and can't figure out what I mean. I am wondering if purduebrad knows something about Narcizo and instead of just coming out and saying it he just tries to get Narcizo's name out there.

Basicly I am saying I don't think his vote is random, but he is trying to make it look that way to either protect himself or give us a clue if he is killed.

[Lathum]

He argues that we shouldn't trust claphamsa, calls Purduebrad's vote shaky - and then in his vote aligns himself WITH PurdueBrad, leaving clap completely out of it. Shady stuff, if you ask me.

show me where I said purduebrads vote is shaky?

[Lathum]

Cronin is trying to ywist my words, I am out of here to have dinner with a friend who just lost her father so I'm not sure if we will be back by deadline, there is my reasoning for my vote. Take it for what its worth.

[st.cronin]

purduebrads vote seems to random

ok what does this mean, then?

[claphamsa]

I asked about that too..... the legendary lathum spelling.... second almost to mine!

[claphamsa]

I wanna vote, since I only slept 4 hours last niht and am delirious. someone tell me who to vote for

[st.cronin]

I read it as "seems too random." But even if he meant "seems to be random" I would still take that to mean roughly what I said it meant. Random votes are not good votes. Anyway, its a shaky string, but I get a semi-bad vibe off of Lathum.

[PurdueBrad]

Maybe the wolves didn't want to risk killing one of their own on the first night, just like us! ;)

Anyway, now that my vote is open, why the switch from me to Narcizo?

Hey Pass, sorry didn't see this.

My switch is two-fold. One, I didn't want to go with the same person two days in a row when its a random choice because it would look personal or like I knew something.

Secondly, although I revealed my location, I'm still wondering the sense of doing so. I may have missed the discussion but is there any kind of rule from the past where wolves could be helped out by knowing our locations (i.e.- they attack a place rather than a person or have to know where a person is to get them).

[claphamsa]

I read it as "seems too random." But even if he meant "seems to be random" I would still take that to mean roughly what I said it meant. Random votes are not good votes. Anyway, its a shaky string, but I get a semi-bad vibe off of Lathum.

As do I... but its latham, do you ever not get a bad vibe from him?

[claphamsa]

not picking on cronin, just does anyone not get a bd vibe from lathu, (or is it me? I always thingk hes bad)

[Passacaglia]

FWIW, I had a feeling that's what Lathum meant. I just wanted to hear it from him.

[st.cronin]

As do I... but its latham, do you ever not get a bad vibe from him?

Yeah, I often get a villager vibe from him, especially recently. On the other hand, he's somebody I like to scan early if I'm a seer, which I'm not in this game.

[Passacaglia]

I'm going out for a run, back in 30-40 minutes.

[st.cronin]

FWIW, I had a feeling that's what Lathum meant. I just wanted to hear it from him.

You had a feeling he meant what?

[PurdueBrad]

Lathum, I don't know anything helpful so my vote truly is another random shot to see reactions. Nothing happened with my vote on Pass yesterday but there has been a run on Narcizo today. That leaves me in the dubious spot of now wondering if I've got humans running to cover my vote simply because they are unsure of Narcizo or wolves running to cover to get a bad lynch.

Narcizo, my argument for why to choose you was laid out before with the location discussion but in all honesty, even that still left this as pretty much a random pick because I didn't catch anything incriminating, just always wary of people arguing for reveals of any kind (name, location, role obviously, weapon, etc.). So it's more a personal style that got that vote. However, the run this afternoon does concern me but if it sticks and we're wrong, then we do know where to hunt.

[path12]

Gotta run. I'll be back to get a vote in before deadline.

[The Jackal]

I really have no strong candidate to vote for, if I had to choose right now itd be lathum or narc just because of how they reacted to me, but that really isn't near enough to go on. I'm inclined to believe heinz though he is a strong wolf, so right now I'm leaning towards path but I'm not firm in anything. Game starts in 15 min, woooo.

[Passacaglia]

You had a feeling he meant what?

I had a feeling that he was thinking PB's vote was 'not quite' random -- that Lathum thought PB had a good reason to vote Narcizo, but didn't want to say what it was. I read it as "seems too random" as well -- but more than that -- it wasn't just that it seemed random to Lathum; rather, PB was trying to MAKE it seem random.

[Passacaglia]

In other words, Lathum was saying that PB's vote was not IN FACT random, but instead it SEEMED too random. That's what I thought Lathum might have been saying, at least.

[The Jackal]

Meaning you are quite suspicious of PB, pass? Sorry if its repeating info, but its hell to navigate the site on my phone.

[Passacaglia]

Basicly I am saying I don't think his vote is random, but he is trying to make it look that way to either protect himself or give us a clue if he is killed.

This sums up what I thought he meant, cronin. Although, I thought Lathum was trying to imply that PB is the seer, which seems odd. If Lathum thinks PB is the seer, he shouldn't even be hinting about it. On the other hand, his hint seems to have been cryptic enough to stymie most of the village. But if he was trying to make the hint cryptic, why would he get upset when people didn't get it?

[Passacaglia]

Meaning you are quite suspicious of PB, pass? Sorry if its repeating info, but its hell to navigate the site on my phone.

No. I was trying to say that I thought that Lathum thought PB was the seer.

[Passacaglia]

I really have no strong candidate to vote for, if I had to choose right now itd be lathum or narc just because of how they reacted to me, but that really isn't near enough to go on. I'm inclined to believe heinz though he is a strong wolf, so right now I'm leaning towards path but I'm not firm in anything. Game starts in 15 min, woooo.

Are you leaving when the game starts?

[claphamsa]

already started, hes very dedicated and uses his fone!

[st.cronin]

That seems very weird to me, Pass.

[Passacaglia]

That seems very weird to me, Pass.

What seems weird? Him thinking it, or me explaining it?

[st.cronin]

What seems weird? Him thinking it, or me explaining it?

Him thinking it. When I think somebody is the seer, I generally don't comment on that player at all unless they are in danger of being lynched. I think Lathum would play it the same way.

[Passacaglia]

Him thinking it. When I think somebody is the seer, I generally don't comment on that player at all unless they are in danger of being lynched. I think Lathum would play it the same way.

I agree. Luckily, PB's not the seer.

[st.cronin]

dola, it does explain his vote, though.

But, didn't PB unvote somebody else earlier? That would be odd behavior from the seer.

[PurdueBrad]

Cronin, my only other vote was a day one on Pass that was about just as random.

[Passacaglia]

dola, it does explain his vote, though.

But, didn't PB unvote somebody else earlier? That would be odd behavior from the seer.

I don't think so. I asked him about his switch from me to Narcizo, but I was talking about how he voted me on Day 1, and Narcizo on Day 2.

[PurdueBrad]

As for seer, it's not me, which I do agree is lucky as I'm usually awful and only find villagers (which I guess would have its own value for eliminating suspects but still, it would be fun to find a wolf!).

[st.cronin]

Ok, then how does Pass know PB is NOT the seer? Did I miss something?

[Barkeep49]

I don't like any of the three candidates with votes so I'm going to go with someone who seems to be playing more like his wolf self than villager self, I feel.

Vote Pass

[The Jackal]

Naw guys I'm here, checking at tv timeouts, intermission in 8 min then ill be here full time for 15 min or so, etc

[Passacaglia]

Ok, then how does Pass know PB is NOT the seer? Did I miss something?

Because PB said as much -- not just a few minutes ago, but further up as well. Also, I know that PB's wrong about Narcizo.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE LATHUM

[RendeR]

Vote count as of post #394

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[RendeR]

Gahm that didn't format well....

[claphamsa]

Im not seeing much, but it does look lik ill make it till 9! so .... I cna change later!

[claphamsa]

vote perdont brad

[Greyroofoo]

vote pass

[path12]

Grey, I'd love to hear your reasoning for that vote.

[path12]

Actually, same question for clap about his.

[st.cronin]

Ok, how does Pass know that Narcizo is good? Did I miss that?

[The Jackal]

Intermission. Flyers losing 1-0 :(. do the people that are around encourage me to vote even though itd be random and up to luck?

[claphamsa]

I just find waht he is saying kinda silly, and while that isnt much, i can change if anythign happens. Im not sold he is bad at all!

[Passacaglia]

Ok, how does Pass know that Narcizo is good? Did I miss that?

You haven't missed it.

[PurdueBrad]

Because PB said as much -- not just a few minutes ago, but further up as well. Also, I know that PB's wrong about Narcizo.

Actually Pass, unless I missed something as well, I didn't say it until the post that Cronin referred to as well. So I'm kind of curious where your knowledge came from as well...

[RendeR]

Vote count as of post #410

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 2 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin(361)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa(403)
Passacaglia -- 1 -- greyroofoo(404)

[The Jackal]

Also since I'd have to vote manually, what's the code for blue? [Color="blue" with an end bracket?

[Passacaglia]

Votes don't need to be in blue.

[Passacaglia]

Actually Pass, unless I missed something as well, I didn't say it until the post that Cronin referred to as well. So I'm kind of curious where your knowledge came from as well...

I guess you didn't say it, but looking at post 377, I figured you were pretty much saying it. Plus, I know Narcizo is good, which kinda tipped me off to you not being the seer.

[path12]

Vote count as of post #410

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 2 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin(361)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa(403)
Passacaglia -- 1 -- greyroofoo(404)


Barkeep voted for pass also in post #396

[The Jackal]

Votes don't need to be in blue.

Sexy. Then this is a vote for late pressure.

vote lathum

[Passacaglia]

Vote count as of post #410

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 2 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin(361)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa(403)
Passacaglia -- 1 -- greyroofoo(404)


Also, I voted for Lathum (post 399).

[Sonic Youth]

Render, check the votes, you've added them up wrong.

[Sonic Youth]

Vote Lathum.

[claphamsa]

Run Run Run.....`

[st.cronin]

Deadline is at the top of the hour, right?

[RendeR]

Vote count as of post #410

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 5 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin(361), The Jackal(417), Passacaglia(399), Sonic Youth(420)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa(403)
Passacaglia -- 2 -- greyroofoo(404), barkeep49(396)

[RendeR]

That look right to everyone?

[path12]

VOTE NARCIZO

[path12]

I don't like the vote, but that run on Lathum worries me.

[Passacaglia]

I don't like the vote, but that run on Lathum worries me.

What worries you about it? I think for most of us it's predicated on:

a) Trying to SAVE Narcizo, and
b) Figuring our best bet is the guy who jumped on the Narcizo vote, hoping to out a villager and blame the bandwagon on thinking PB was the seer.

[Passacaglia]

Seriously. If I'm a wolf, I'm not sticking my neck out to save Narcizo like this. He's good.

[RendeR]

Vote Count as of post #428

Narcizo -- 4 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339), path12 (425)
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 5 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin (361), The Jackal (417), Passacaglia (399), Sonic Youth (420)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa (403)
Passacaglia -- 2 -- greyroofoo (404), barkeep49 (396)

[Passacaglia]

Deadline is at the top of the hour, right?

Look at the title. Deadline 9PM ST. What more do you need? :)

(in other words, yes)

[path12]

What worries you about it? I think for most of us it's predicated on:

a) Trying to SAVE Narcizo, and
b) Figuring our best bet is the guy who jumped on the Narcizo vote, hoping to out a villager and blame the bandwagon on thinking PB was the seer.

I hear what you're saying, but ANY late run without some kind of defense makes me a bit nervous. I don't like what Lathum did, but for him to not be around and get run on always has a bit of a wolfish smell to it, though I do not believe you are a wolf yourself.

[Passacaglia]

You people are driving me crazy! And where is nfg?

[RendeR]

Hiya Hoops!

[claphamsa]

RendeR are you a ninja?

[path12]

You people are driving me crazy! And where is nfg?

I haven't seen nfg all day as I recall.

[st.cronin]

Pass is playing a very eccentric game so far. I don't really get his vouching for Narcizo - Narc wasn't in danger at the time, as far as I could tell.

[hoopsguy]

HI RENDER!

Another 400 or so posts to catch up with this one ...

[RendeR]

RendeR are you a ninja?


Ninja's Suck ass, I be a PIRATE matey!!! YAARRRRRRR!

[Passacaglia]

Pass is playing a very eccentric game so far. I don't really get his vouching for Narcizo - Narc wasn't in danger at the time, as far as I could tell.

He was leading the vote 3-2 with like an hour left. How much more in danger does he need to be?

[RendeR]

TIC TIC TIC TIC TIC TIC

[Passacaglia]

i sense some shenanigans tonight

[claphamsa]

im still here! I wana see waht happens!

[path12]

OK Pass, I'll trust you on this.

[path12]

UNVOTE NARCIZO
VOTE LATHUM

[Passacaglia]

im still here! I wana see waht happens!

You'll be as much to blame for letting Narcizo die, if you leave your vote where it is.

[Passacaglia]

OK Pass, I'll trust you on this.

Thanks, Kara.

[st.cronin]

He was leading the vote 3-2 with like an hour left. How much more in danger does he need to be?

Well, if it were me I would have waited to see where some of the not-yet-voted group did. I'm not saying it was a crazy move.

[RendeR]

Deadline

[Passacaglia]

Well, if it were me I would have waited to see where some of the not-yet-voted group did. I'm not saying it was a crazy move.

I hear ya, but it seemed like we were all moving slowly today, and I wanted to give people time to process it and ask me any questions -- I didn't want to make it seem like I was scrambling at the last minute.

[RendeR]

Final Vote Count:

Narcizo -- 3 -- PurdueBrad (298), Lathum (335), mauboy1 (339),
path12 -- 1 -- jeheinz72 (272)
Lathum -- 6 -- Narcizo (345), St. Cronin (361), The Jackal (417), Passacaglia (399), Sonic Youth (420), path12 (444)
PurdueBrad -- 1 -- Claphamsa (403)
Passacaglia -- 2 -- greyroofoo (404), barkeep49 (396)

People gather around vid screens all over the fleet. The voting seems to have come down to narcizo and lathum, but in a late move Lathum picks up a clinching vote and he is chosen to die.

Dr. Cummings takes Lathum aside and gives him the shots that will end his life, as well as taking blood samples to test him for Cylon DNA.

"Put that bloody needle away you quack!" Lathum yells. Then babbles incoherently about someone named "Six" as his life ebbs away.

Lathum was Dr. Guaius Baltar, a Human.

As the crowds dispurse the claxons begin to sound- CYLON ATTACK! vipers and Raptors take to the skies, explosions rock the ships and panic stricken refugees scream for safe keeping. The battle rages for about 10 minutes, but in the end they are driven off and none of the fleet is lost.

The Jackal and Sonic Youth are given commendations on saving a small freighter that had gotten seperated from the rest of the fleet. Their actions in the Vipers saved the day for those poor souls.

More to Come....

[claphamsa]

baltar? isnt he a amin character? no pwoers?

[Barkeep49]

It's disappointing that Baltar, who is able to wiggle his way out of deserved death time and time again, had no duking ability.

[Barkeep49]

baltar? isnt he a amin character? no pwoers?
Yes, he's certainly a main character.

[Passacaglia]

Damnit. Sorry, Lathum. You went with your gut on PB and Narcizo and stuck your neck out to vote for him, and just guessed wrong.

[claphamsa]

How bad was he looking when he left? I mean maybe he was the duke, and didnt think to send in an order, then again there isnt any relevance between real life and the show.

[Barkeep49]

Damnit. Sorry, Lathum. You went with your gut on PB and Narcizo and stuck your neck out to vote for him, and just guessed wrong.
I don't think he really stuck his neck out far. It was, to me, a bizarre lynch.

[Passacaglia]

I can't believe Lathum had a crush on the best friend from Blossom.

[path12]

nfg. Whassup?

[PurdueBrad]

Damnit. Sorry, Lathum. You went with your gut on PB and Narcizo and stuck your neck out to vote for him, and just guessed wrong.

Pass, I appreciate what you're saying but I hope you aren't putting guilt on me with this. I think you're just another warrior too but I guess I want to know what such trust in Narcizio. So, why the trust?

[Passacaglia]

I don't think he really stuck his neck out far. It was, to me, a bizarre lynch.

I can't speak for others, but it seemed like he was trying to subtly get things going on Narcizo, while having someone else to blame for it. Granted, I don't think it's the best wolf play, but when combined with saving Narcizo, it was the right call for me.

[PurdueBrad]

I found, and cue the song "Age of Aquarius", the Jar of Aquarius, a clue to Earth. As far as I can tell, no other use.

[st.cronin]

That lynch stunk. Pass, you're the one stuck your neck out, not Lathum.

[nfg22]

SORRY! I just got back from buying a new car. It took two hours longer than expected. I will try and be active from now on. As you guys know, I was one of the most active in the last two games. Sorry.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I appreciate what you're saying but I hope you aren't putting guilt on me with this. I think you're just another warrior too but I guess I want to know what such trust in Narcizio. So, why the trust?

No -- I completely buy that you made a random vote. I was just saying that Lathum guessed that your vote wasn't really random, that it was based on a seer scan. I knew he was wrong, since I know that Narcizo is good (due to my role). So you do lean toward villager in my mind, but it does disturb me that you kept your vote on Narcizo (although given that Lathum was good, it's not like you were trying to save him).

[The Jackal]

Sorry for tacking on, lathum. It really was a shot in the dark. Glad to have saved the freighter, anyone find anything interesting?

[Passacaglia]

That lynch stunk. Pass, you're the one stuck your neck out, not Lathum.

Oh, I definitely agree that I stuck my neck out. But I wouldn't say that Lathum didn't.

[Barkeep49]

That lynch stunk. Pass, you're the one stuck your neck out, not Lathum.
Word.

[PurdueBrad]

Pass, I can honestly say that I had nowhere to go. The run bothers me about saving Narcizo, but even if it was a save, there is probably a wolf or two in there so I can worry about him later and start looking at votes on Lathum.

[Passacaglia]

Word.

Hey, I agreed!

Anyway, what would you all have me do at this point? Stick my neck out further, or wait for Narcizo to come in tomorrow?

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I can honestly say that I had nowhere to go. The run bothers me about saving Narcizo, but even if it was a save, there is probably a wolf or two in there so I can worry about him later and start looking at votes on Lathum.

I agree. Not only that, if a run was made to save Narcizo, and Narcizo's a wolf, then I'm also a wolf. I'm being pretty open about this.

If Narcizo's not a wolf, we were villager/villager last night, and we need to look at those who have placed blame.

[Barkeep49]

Hey, I agreed!

Anyway, what would you all have me do at this point? Stick my neck out further, or wait for Narcizo to come in tomorrow?
If we don't lynch you tomorrow, I am going to use my night kill on you. Fair warning.

[Passacaglia]

If we don't lynch you tomorrow, I am going to use my night kill on you. Fair warning.

Let's roll, then. I saw claphamsa attack Narcizo.

[claphamsa]

If we don't lynch you tomorrow, I am going to use my night kill on you. Fair warning.

u have a night kill?

[Barkeep49]

u have a night kill?
Yup. And it's not a 1 timer either, though I'm not guaranteed success.

[Passacaglia]

u have a night kill?

He's not the only one! ;)

[Barkeep49]

Let's roll, then. I saw claphamsa attack Narcizo.
Sweet. If clap is a wolf we've got some great data.

[PurdueBrad]

Barkeep, that might be a touch hasty at this point. I'm actually leaning the other way as it is a very early 'out' play if Pass is a wolf.

[RendeR]

PM's are out, Message me if you think I msised anything.


day 3 starts NOW.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[PurdueBrad]

WOW, great info BK!

[Passacaglia]

For the record, I don't know if he's a Cylon. I just know that he tried to attack Narcizo.

[PurdueBrad]

vote claphamsa

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, that might be a touch hasty at this point. I'm actually leaning the other way as it is a very early 'out' play if Pass is a wolf.
I don't get what you're saying.

[claphamsa]

Let's roll, then. I saw claphamsa attack Narcizo.


weaK, making stuff up! tryign to save ur ass!

[Barkeep49]

WOW, great info BK!
Pass had the great info.

[PurdueBrad]

WOW, great info BK!

My bad, meant Pass here. If this pays off, we'll know that Pass is a Colonial.

[claphamsa]

BOOM

[Barkeep49]

weaK, making stuff up! tryign to save ur ass!
That's the best you can do? That's weak. He's not really saving his ass as I have to submit my night kill simultaneous with the lynching.

Vote clap

[Passacaglia]

That's the best you can do? That's weak. He's not really saving his ass as I have to submit my night kill simultaneous with the lynching.

Vote clap

You can probably submit a conditional order.

[Greyroofoo]

vote claphamsa

[RendeR]

The sirens blair as the ships all go to high alert. Something has happened.

Passacaglia had recieved orders to travel to BS Pegasus for a meeting, but as the shuttle carrying him got half way there a SECOND shuttle from pegasus herself Rammed his. The two ships exploded into a shower of fire and death.

Among the victims were passacaglia AKA Kara "Starbuck" Thrace and Claphamsa one of the skinjob CYLONS!!

[PurdueBrad]

I don't get what you're saying.

I think if Pass were a wolf, it is a very out play to defend someone the way he did Narcizio. I think it would draw way too much attention to himself IMHO. I obviously don't have the track record of playing with him so maybe that is his M.O. but it seems like a huge early risk. I'm just thinking that saving the night kill would be helpful although I since read that your's is more than just a one time shot. I guess I just want to avoid a Reservoir Dogs style night where we off the wrong people.

[claphamsa]

pass sucks,

BRAINSSSSS

[path12]

Yup. And it's not a 1 timer either, though I'm not guaranteed success.

To be fair, so do most wolves.

[Passacaglia]

BOOM

I had a feeling that meant something. Good game, suicide bomber. ;)

[Barkeep49]

Sweet. One cylon down.

[PurdueBrad]

Whoever took them down, nice job. The one for one trade isn't bad I guess and it helps clear Narcizio.

[Barkeep49]

To be fair, so do most wolves.
To be fair most wolves do.

[Barkeep49]

I am looking at this group: JeHeinz(133), The Jackal(137), Mauboy1(143), St. Cronin(147), Claphamsa(221)

They all were no lynches. With no late movement, and an unknown tiebreaker, I think it's quite probable we had wolves with no place to move their vote to save clap.

Unvote clap
Vote Jeheinz

[Lathum]

I am floored that you guys think Clap should have any added level of trust, the fact that no one moved their vote late to him could be just as damning as voting for someone else to save him.

I remember the days when people used to listen to me :(