WW LXIX - Battlestar WereWolf - GAME OVER CYLONS WIN!

[RendeR]

GAME ON!

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The Cylons were created by the people of the Twelve Colonies. Intelligent robots, they were used as slaves and soldiers to fight humanity's wars. But the Cylons became sentient and they rebelled. Man and machine fought to a bloody stalemate, then the Cylons withdrew to a remote region of space.

A truce between the Twelve Colonies and the Cylons lasted for 40 tense and silent years. Each year, on the anniversary of the treaty-signing, humanity sent an envoy to the neutral ground of Armistice Station to meet with a Cylon envoy. For 39 years, no Cylon envoy came.

Then, on the 40th anniversary, a stunning blonde — a Cylon in human form — met the human envoy … moments before the Cylons vaporized the station and launched a genocidal attack on the Twelve Colonies.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The cylons have infiltrated the fleet and its up to you to weed them out and hopefully....find Earth.

[RendeR]

Players
__________________________
1. Mauboy1 - Leobin - CYLON - Nuked day 6
2. PurdueBrad
3. The Jackal
4. greyroofoo - Technician Cally - HUMAN - Lynched Night 3
5. claphamsa - Sharon "Boomer" Valeri - CYLON - martyred herself to kill passacaglia day 3
6. Jeheinz72 - Ellen Tigh, the Informant and HUMAN - Killed night 5
7. nfg22
8. Passacaglia - LT. Kara "Starbuck" Thrace a Colonial Warrior - Killed by Cylon Claphamsa Day 3
9. St. Cronin - Number Six - CYLON - Lynched Night 4
10. Narcizo - Captain Lee "Apollo" Adama - A Colonial Warrior and CONVERTED CYLON - Nuked Day 6
11. Lathum - Dr Guaius Baltar - Human - Lynched Day 2
12. Sonic Youth - Anders the Star Athlete and HUMAN - lynched night 5
13. Path12 - Brother Cavil - CYLON - Killed under interrogation Day 4
14. barkeep49 - Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol - HUMAN - ASSASSIN - Killed by Path12 day 3

[RendeR]

RULES

This game is going to be what I call a "Dark Matter" game basically this means that you players have the BARE minimum informatoin to start with and must learn as you go. So there will be very little info here beyond the bare essentials. What each player MUST know they will receive VIA PM. Questions can be posted in thread OR PM'ed to me.

Votes must be in BOLD and must be in a post by themselves.

Discuss your reasonings and jokes etc in seperate posts please.

We will be using the 24 hr clock : Deadline will be 9:00pm EST at 9:01 nothing counts.

Write ups will follow as soon as my schedule allows so don't expect them imediately. I'll do my best not to keep people waiting ;)

Characters: Character names are directly from the show. They do NOT corelate directly with ANY abilities or ANY roles. Character names, roles, factions and anything else will be assigned in a totally random fashion.

Roles: Generally speaking, any role you've seen before and possibly a few new twists will be available. Anyone and perhaps EVERYONE will have some role or ability, perhaps not. No guarentees either way.

Locations: There are various locations that a player may move to each night, only 1 move per 24 hour period is allowed. Each location has its own perks and abilities which will be disseminated on a need-to-know basis. Which means I know and IF you need to know I will tell you. Locations you may move to on each night action:

Battlestar Galactica
Battlestar Pegasus
Colonial One
Cloud 9 hydroponics ship
Caprica
Kobol
Viper 1
Viper 2
Raptor


Items: There are a number of items in the game. Some are 1 time use only items, some can be replenished by finding supplies for them, others work forever. Again, what you need to know you will be told.

Clues: Clues to finding earth. They might be items, they might be snippestof communication signals, they could be rusty relics sitting in a museum. Anything could be a clue, find all 12 and you could find Earth.

Victory Conditions:

Cylons must eliminate ALL humans. And/Or Find Earth

Humans must eliminate ALL Cylons And/or find Earth



Changes/Updates will follow.

[RendeR]

Day 1
Mauboy1 attempts to Convert barkeep and fails.
Lathum finds the Dagger of Scorpia
NO LYNCH voted

Day 2
Mauboy attempts to convert Sonic Youth and Fails.
Purduebrad finds the Jar of Aquaria
Jackal Finds Body Armor
greyroofoo finds Mark III Tactical Nuke
Lathum is Lynched
barkeep finds Arrow of Apollo and opens temple of athena on Kobol, also picks up dagger of Scorpia from lathum's lynching


Day 3
Claphamsa martyrs himself by ramming a shuttle into one that passacaglia is in, both dead.
Mauboy Converts narcizo
PurdueBrad announces path12 is a Cylon(seer scan)
greyroofoo lynched
barkeep killed by path12
path12 takes Dagger of Scorpia and Arrow of Apollo from barkeeps corpse
Jeheinz finds gemminon's Twins
nfg22 finds Ring of Tauron


Day 4
Mauboy1 converts purduebrad
St. Cronin Lynched
path12 killed during interrogation

Day 5
Sonic Youth Lynched
jeheinz killed by purduebrad

Day 6
Informant for Admiral Adama(nfg22) triggered
narcizo and mauboy nuked on Kobol by nfg22
nfg22 lynched
the jackal Killed by Purduebrad.

Cylons Win!

[Schmidty]

I would totally be in this one, but I have to use the time to figure out the rest of my game, which comes next. I'm a big time procrastinator.

[st.cronin]

In, pending information on deadlines and such.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm back to play again...if you'll have me!

[mauchow]

I'm in.

[RendeR]

Wow, don;t even have all the info up and everyones flocking =) thanks guys!

Schmidty, let me know if the later deadlines work for you or not. Love to have you in the game, the more the merrier!!

[st.cronin]

I'll have to withdraw with those deadlines, it'll be impossible for me to participate.

[RendeR]

I'll have to withdraw with those deadlines, it'll be impossible for me to participate.


Hrm, I can be a little flexible, would say a 4 or 5PM deadline work better? With night actions at say 8 or 9pm?

[st.cronin]

No, I'm afraid I can't do a 2-deadline day. Its just too hard with my schedule right now.

[RendeR]

Well that brings back the whole 24 hr day thing...I'd prefer doing a single deadline, but it seems like most people prefer a dual deadline style.

Thoughts folks?

[st.cronin]

I think you should run it to accommodate your schedule and your game, Render. No matter what you decide, some people will be inconvenienced.

I may change my mind, anyway, just for now leave me off.

[Barkeep49]

I think you should run it to accommodate your schedule and your game, Render. No matter what you decide, some people will be inconvenienced.

I agree.

[The Jackal]

I'm in. I've never seen the show, but I've heard it's one of the best sci-fi series ever.

[Greyroofoo]

I guess I can try this again

[claphamsa]

so just to make sure... not watching the show wont hurt me right? if so im in!

[jeheinz72]

RendeR, can I send conditional night actions since I won't be around ever at the deadline? If so, I'm in.

[nfg22]

Im in if you guys will have me..

[Passacaglia]

I'm in, regardless of who will have me.

[RendeR]

Conditional orders are always accepted. I withhold the right to act on those orders as I read them so if it turns out diferently than you planned its not my fault ;)

Ask people about sending me simplistic 3 word orders =)

"Did you rub MY lamp?"

[RendeR]

Ok, rules updated with the deadline time. (singular) 24 hour clock in effect.


I'm also considering not starting my game until the 24th. My college is on break next week and who knows if JH's game will ever end (grins) and I hear there are those with NCAA tournament responsibilities etc etc. SO I'm gonna set my start date as Monday March 24th.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I guess, like Carlito, I'm back in. :)

[RendeR]

Excellent!

[Narcizo]

Ok, rules updated with the deadline time. (singular) 24 hour clock in effect.

I'm also considering not starting my game until the 24th. My college is on break next week and who knows if JH's game will ever end (grins) and I hear there are those with NCAA tournament responsibilities etc etc. SO I'm gonna set my start date as Monday March 24th.

In which case please sign me up.

[Lathum]

Render, what's your plan for the Easter weekend?

[RendeR]

Render, what's your plan for the Easter weekend?

I'm not starting until after it, on the 24th. this was part of my reasoning for waiting a week. People have shit to do this week and that weekend =)

[jeheinz72]

What is the plan for weekend play in general?

What's the meaning of life?

Why am I asking you these questions?

[RendeR]

What is the plan for weekend play in general?
Play will be one long day from deadline friday to deadline sunday


What's the meaning of life?
42


Why am I asking you these questions?
because yer a heiney

[jeheinz72]

Play will be one long day from deadline friday to deadline sunday


Might want to put me down as an alternate instead then. I'd love to play, but I think we all know I'm not on over the weekends.

[Lathum]

since it starts the 24th count me in, although I may not really be around the first day.

[RendeR]

Might want to put me down as an alternate instead then. I'd love to play, but I think we all know I'm not on over the weekends.

I did forget that. Not a huge issue, you can either drop conditional orders on Friday or do notihng at all for a day, there are no penalties for inactivity in this one.

Worst comes to worst I'll bump it back to friday to Monday. I'm very flexible.

[jeheinz72]

Ok then, if there isn't a game penalty for it, I'll be in. I'm sure I'll manage to get myself killed before then anyhow...

[claphamsa]

most likely :P

[hoopsguy]

Ok then, if there isn't a game penalty for it, I'll be in. I'm sure I'll manage to get myself killed before then anyhow...

That is what I figured when I joined your game, and then had it run right up against my travel plans this week.

[Sonic Youth]

I'll use my first post to say that I'll play if you'll have me.

Oh, and RendeR, would you be able to state your time in a post so I have an idea of what time that would be for me S'il Vous Plaît?

[Neon_Chaos]

Sorry, but posts don't count in this forum. :)

[Sonic Youth]

Yes, I noticed that. After I posted :D

[Barkeep49]

I'll use my first post to say that I'll play if you'll have me.

Oh, and RendeR, would you be able to state your time in a post so I have an idea of what time that would be for me S'il Vous Plaît?
This post was made at 4:26 AM Eastern.

[Narcizo]

Oh, and RendeR, would you be able to state your time in a post so I have an idea of what time that would be for me S'il Vous Plaît?

Sonn, if you set the time zone to EST in your board preferences then you'll see what time it is every time someone posts. At a guess I'd say you're about 15 hours in advance. So a 9PM deadline is midday for you. That will change once Australia goes into Summer Time/Daylight saving/whatever you call it in Australia.

Don't post anywhere else and you'll have 0 posts forever.

[Narcizo]

This post was made at 4:26 AM Eastern.

:confused:

[RendeR]

:confused:


I'm with you Narcizo =) I think BK is a bit out of it these days because netheri the original post nor Bk's post were made anywhere near the time he listed =)

[RendeR]

I'll use my first post to say that I'll play if you'll have me.

Oh, and RendeR, would you be able to state your time in a post so I have an idea of what time that would be for me S'il Vous Plaît?


It is approximately 10:15 AM on Friday March 14th when I posted this.

Hope that helps and Welcome to the Werewolf games!

[Alan T]

I'm with you Narcizo =) I think BK is a bit out of it these days because netheri the original post nor Bk's post were made anywhere near the time he listed =)

I think BK just went the wrong way with his hour conversion is all. He isn't in eastern time either.

[st.cronin]

8:25 AM according to my desktop.

[nfg22]

I think you are all crazy...

[path12]

How well do I need to know the show? I've never seen it.

[Narcizo]

Me either.

Unless it's based on the 80s version. In which case you can expect to see one hour leading up to a lynching to be posted twice in the game to cut down on costs. And the same stock night kills happening identically over and over again.

[RendeR]

You do not need to know the show at all, the rtoles and character names are not specific to their equals on the show.

Bill Adama could well be a cylon here, or boomer could be the old crone, its all randomized at the beginning.

Anything you need to play the game will be given to you in PM's or short write ups in thread.

[claphamsa]

U gonna put this on the important post list ;)

[path12]

All right then, I'm in.

[Schmidty]

All right then, I'm in.

Or not.

Man, I love ya path, but what were you thinking?

[Sonic Youth]

:D I think I'll look into the EST thing Narkle said.

For those interested, a deadline for me will be in the early mornings, or first thing at work which will make things a little interesting sometimes.

And I don't know the show either.

[st.cronin]

Or not.

Man, I love ya path, but what were you thinking?

+1

[claphamsa]

Or not.

Man, I love ya path, but what were you thinking?


I dont get it!

[The Jackal]

I'm craving a role, man.

[claphamsa]

im craving blood!!@!

[Chief Rum]

I'll use my first post to say that I'll play if you'll have me.

The irony...someone want to tell him?

[Neon_Chaos]

I already did. :)

[Barkeep49]

Hopefully the netflix gods will be with me. Season 3 is released tomorrow and I have, hopefully, timed the return of my DVDs to get the first 3 discs to start the season. Of course I won't be the only one with this idea, which is why I hope the gods are with me.

[ntndeacon]

I wish I could play but I am taking students to Florida during part of that week.

[Lathum]

I wish I could play but I am taking students to Florida during part of that week.

is that legal? ;)

[Passacaglia]

I dont get it!

Took me a while, too -- you need to hit up General Discussion to figure it out. How long is path out for? He might still be back in time.

[Passacaglia]

Damn, you can't send a PM to someone in the box. I was hoping to spam him with a bunch of PMs, then hit him with a bunch more, asking why the hell he isn't answering me.

[claphamsa]

Took me a while, too -- you need to hit up General Discussion to figure it out. How long is path out for? He might still be back in time.


yeah i hunted down the bad thread..... but i dont know the mechanisms ofr here... so hes banned temporarily? wierd. Kinda curious as to what that thread was about....

[Passacaglia]

yeah i hunted down the bad thread..... but i dont know the mechanisms ofr here... so hes banned temporarily? wierd. Kinda curious as to what that thread was about....

Someone started a thread about Fantasy Fishing, and path started a 'parody thread' -- just another thread with a similar name and a humourous result -- called Fantasy Fisting. That part itself was innocuous enough probably, but I think he also linked to some Not Safe For Work sites, which is a no-no. I guess it's better than getting suspended for "lying" though.

Anyway, if WW posts don't count, shouldn't his suspension not count here?

[claphamsa]

you arent allowed to do nsfw posts at all here? wow. silly path! any idea how long hes out for? and who got suspended for lying? thats pretty silly!

[Lathum]

lol @ Path.

thats what he gets for starting a parody thread

[Passacaglia]

you arent allowed to do nsfw posts at all here? wow. silly path! any idea how long hes out for? and who got suspended for lying? thats pretty silly!

That was me. I guess getting suspended for lying shows what a good wolf I am? I dunno. I thought I was just joking.

[Passacaglia]

Hey Aaron,

Since I have your address thought I'd just drop a line to let you know that the boxing is just for a week, I'm back on Friday evening so should make the next WW game.

Shit. Who would have thought that there was actually a site called Fantasy Fisting????

Anyway, not sure if getting banned for your first parody thread counts as either being a spectacular success or failure..........talk to y'all in a week.

--path

Looks like path will be able to make it after all! He'll probably have a lot of pent-up rage from his time in the box, and go into a Day 1 posting frenzy to make up for it.

[jeheinz72]

Haha, that's pretty funny really.

[Alan T]

Looks like path will be able to make it after all! He'll probably have a lot of pent-up rage from his time in the box, and go into a Day 1 posting frenzy to make up for it.

I dare everyone to vote path day 1 just to see if he explodes.

[RendeR]

I could offer him another three wishes......

[hoopsguy]

Heh, I'll vote for Path even though I'm not currently in the game :)

RendeR, I may be a late sign-up depending on how work shakes out over the next couple of days.

[The Jackal]

Man, I thought the game was starting today. My time frame is all screwed up.

[claphamsa]

not just ur time frame ;)

[RendeR]

No problem Hoops. Signups are open until Saturday the 22nd. Roles will go out sometime on the 23rd and the first deadline will be Monday night on the 24th.

[Sonic Youth]

The irony...someone want to tell him?
Hah, I was already aware even before Neon posted. I thought I'd leave it as it was though to commemorate my first ever post here.

Ah memories. I can remember way back to when I made my first ever post here. It was a magical occasion...

[Sonic Youth]

I'm glad this is starting the date it is starting. I was in the Jackal camp otherwise.

:D to Path's parady thread idea.

[Lathum]

while we are waiting around

SonicYouth, how did you discover our little comunity?

[Narcizo]

while we are waiting around

SonicYouth, how did you discover our little comunity?

I know Sonic from another message board. (Oddly enough given our names, not a music board) I was talking about WW there and he came over to have a look (he was the guest that Schmidty refered to in the Heroes thread near the end).

[ntndeacon]

is that legal? ;)

Why yes it is. but just to Florida. any other state would be right out.

[The Jackal]

Why yes it is. but just to Florida. any other state would be right out.

Dude, have you ever been to Vermont?

[ntndeacon]

nope. that is like somewhere up north where the yankees live. :D

[The Jackal]

nope. that is like somewhere up north where the yankees live. :D

There are much weirder people in Vermont than in West Virginia, if that means anything to you. ;)

[ntndeacon]

West Virginia shouldn't be a state. Counties can't secede! lol

[The Jackal]

I just got a spam PM about Buddhism. That was weird. I got all excited because I thought it was my WW role.

[claphamsa]

I even created a thread for it :)

[Barkeep49]

I even created a thread for it :)
I wondered what that was. After reading the post over in General Discussion, it makes a lot more sense.

[claphamsa]

I never go to general discussion, but it looks like you deltd my thread, I am crying inside.

[Passacaglia]

I never go to general discussion, but it looks like you deltd my thread, I am crying inside.

Uh-oh...heavy moderation finds its way to the Werewolf forum!

[Alan T]

I would just be happy if I could figure out why my browser has suddenly decided to stop remembering what posts I have viewed and what I haven't viewed.. It makes going to the next new post a pain and a half. Obviously some sort of cookies issue, but only happens on this board and I havent figured it out yet!

[claphamsa]

Probably the same reason it wont spell check for me :)

[Barkeep49]

I would just be happy if I could figure out why my browser has suddenly decided to stop remembering what posts I have viewed and what I haven't viewed.. It makes going to the next new post a pain and a half. Obviously some sort of cookies issue, but only happens on this board and I havent figured it out yet!
I had that problem for a while and then it went away.

Lots of help, I know.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to go ahead and play, but also let the wolves know that if they should decide to night kill me early, that's OK.

[Alan T]

I'm going to go ahead and play, but also let the wolves know that if they should decide to night kill me early, that's OK.

Sounds like something a wolf would say!

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to go ahead and play, but also let the wolves know that if they should decide to night kill me early, that's OK.

When I first read this, I thought he was saying he wasn't going to wait for render -- he was just going to start playing without him. After waiting so long, I was considering going the same thing! :)

[RendeR]

Patience young padawans, patience ;)


Signups will remain open until tomorrow night. Sunday Morning I will send out roles and start the game.

Which tels me I need to get a lot of PM's written =)

[path12]

Hi!

[claphamsa]

welcome back!

[Sonic Youth]

while we are waiting around

SonicYouth, how did you discover our little comunity?

I know Sonic from another message board. (Oddly enough given our names, not a music board) I was talking about WW there and he came over to have a look (he was the guest that Schmidty refered to in the Heroes thread near the end).
What Narcizo said.

It was quite funny reading that Heroes thread and then getting to the next page and seeing that, especially as the post time was the pretty much about my time. It would have been quite funny if that had influenced the vote :D

[Alan T]

What Narcizo said.

It was quite funny reading that Heroes thread and then getting to the next page and seeing that, especially as the post time was the pretty much about my time. It would have been quite funny if that had influenced the vote :D

I think people react to guests alot in games in suspicious ways a little too quickly (it happens alot actually), but I'm not quite sure why. I know I personally try to keep up with the game when I travel if I can by reading on my phone, but I can't log in on my phone, so I am sure I show up as a guest when I do that. I can't be the only one that does that either.

[Greyroofoo]

Bah, I tried renting the first season from netflix but the dvd with the first episode is bad.

[RendeR]

OK folks, I have a few hours in between Easter Sunday family rituals so I'm going to get to work on getting roles out. They'll come in fits and spurts so bear with me.

I will officially close sign-ups when I've gotten everyone's PM out that is currently in the game.

[claphamsa]

damint! another villegar :(

[claphamsa]

I apppologize if i posted too soon, but the last week has been rough for me! no boss at work... and no WW..... :'(

[RendeR]

The attacks on the 12 Colonies leave billions dead and only a handful of struggling humans alive to face the very real knowledge that the Cylons are back.

And they look like Us.

Signups are CLOSED

PM's are sent.

Day 1 begins NOW, deadline Tomorrow, Monday 24, March at 9:00 PM EST

[RendeR]

Everyone begins the game on CAPRICA, you may change locations during your night action.

You do NOT need to SEARCH, any items to be found will be found as needed.

Any Questions, please PM me or post them here in BLUE

[claphamsa]

vate jackyl...

since hes heer early :)

[Barkeep49]

I love how Render says to post things in blue, but uses Navy as the color. It amuses me, it does.

Checking in as well.

[RendeR]

Navy == blue == cyan == blue == perriwinkle == blue

[The Jackal]

Checking in, and that's so nice of you clap. I don't know what you mean by "villager", that mean you don't have a role at all?

[claphamsa]

villegar human, whatever you wanna call it!

[Barkeep49]

Bah, I tried renting the first season from netflix but the dvd with the first episode is bad.
You know that you need the miniseries first before Season 1? That they are listed separately on NetFlix? This originally threw me for a loop.

[st.cronin]

Checking in, reading the rules.

[Greyroofoo]

You know that you need the miniseries first before Season 1? That they are listed separately on NetFlix? This originally threw me for a loop.

I was able to watch the first 40 minutes of disc 1, and it seems as good a starting place as any.

Where does the miniseries start? And where does season 1 start?

[Sonic Youth]

Checking in, reading the rules.What he said.

[Sonic Youth]

So what happens this first day/night? We don't seem to have much information to go off yet.

No lynch vote?

[RendeR]

So what happens this first day/night? We don't seem to have much information to go off yet.

No lynch vote?


Tonight there is nothing specific to do other than start discussing whatever you wish with the other players. The first deadline is tomorrow night so feel free to relax until tomorrow if you choose.

[st.cronin]

Is no lynch a legal vote?

[Barkeep49]

I was able to watch the first 40 minutes of disc 1, and it seems as good a starting place as any.

Where does the miniseries start? And where does season 1 start?
Did you see the destruction of Caprica? If not then you definitely need to stop and watch the mini-series. 46 minutes (or whatever that is) is an excellent episode, but the world building of the mini-series is very important.

[RendeR]

Is no lynch a legal vote?

It is.

[st.cronin]

Does the vote on Jackal count? It doesn't look like a legal vote to me.

[nfg22]

Checking in...even though im a little confused on what the deal is here. Usually the Cyclons would only have to have a 1:1 ratio...now they have to kill all of us? Does that mean they have as many as us?

[Narcizo]

Checking in...even though im a little confused on what the deal is here. Usually the Cyclons would only have to have a 1:1 ratio...now they have to kill all of us? Does that mean they have as many as us?

Presumably this is to do with the "FInd Earth" victory condition, so even if there's only one human left he could theoretically win by finding Earth.

I don't really know how much I'm going to be able to be around today. I'm currently on a dial-up and I'm also feeling pretty sick. Hopefully I'll get a decent connection this evening (my time)/morning (US time). However I'd better get a vote out quickly.

Obviously I've got nothing to go on. There hasn't been any discussion. I'm not going to be able to create much discussion either. There's one (illegitimate) vote on Jackal so the only real choices I have are a) random vote, b) vote for someone who would be dangerous as a wolf or c) add my vote on Jackal (and hope clap votes legitimately) to see if that stirs anything up. I'm not a fan of a) and my argument with b) is that dangerous wolves normally make good villagers.

Under the circumstances voting Jackal makes sense to me. It will, hopefully, prevent the usual scattershot day one voting by at least pushing one candidate. I realise that this makes me a suspect for a lynch vote as well but I don't really see any other sensible way to vote under my circumstances. HOpefully I will be able to come back to change my vote if necessary. If not then, well, I've provided the reasoning for my vote.

[Narcizo]

Vote Jackal

[Sonic Youth]

It looks like I'll have to see how things look in the morning. 9pm for me is around lunch time. That's when things come to ahead. I'm voting No Lynch for now just to have a vote in.

[Sonic Youth]

No Lynch.

[RendeR]

vate jackyl...

since hes heer early :)


This is not a valid vote, please check the rules ;)

[Passacaglia]

Checking in. I'll read the rules after I check GD and get some work done.

[jeheinz72]

Reading the rules now...

[jeheinz72]

Vote No Lynch

[jeheinz72]

I can't see how in this game of little information (I have none to start out with, just that I'm human) that lynching someone is to our advantage at this point.

[The Jackal]

I'm usually a proponent of no lynch on day one, and this time is no different, especially with people going after me on day one yet again.

Vote No Lynch

It'll be interesting to see what kind of results we get with everyone being able to move around during night actions.

[jeheinz72]

Gotta separate that vote out amigo

[The Jackal]

Vote No Lynch

[The Jackal]

Trixy rules.

[Sonic Youth]

Vote No Lynch.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[nfg22]

I think No Lynch is always weak...

[nfg22]

Vote GreyRooFoo

[mauchow]

Vote No Lynch

[mauchow]

I think I've voted no lynch on the first day since the start of my playing. I even voted for it when it wasn't in the rules.

Anyways, human checking in.

[Passacaglia]

I think I've voted no lynch on the first day since the start of my playing. I even voted for it when it wasn't in the rules.

Anyways, human checking in.

Me too, until last game. Although I guess in that case, I made the vote before I found out you could vote no lynch. Anyway, it's amazing what crazy conversations a weak Day 1 vote will get you.

[st.cronin]

I believe most rule sets make no lynch on day 1 at worst a neutral play, and in most scenarios gives the village a slight edge. If somebody can make a case why its a bad play for the village in this game, I'd of course be interested. But I'm going to vote no lynch.

[st.cronin]

VOTE NO LYNCH

[Barkeep49]

Villagers don't really learn anything until a wolf is killed. A runaway No Lynch vote tells us nothing even once a wolf is killed.

[st.cronin]

Villagers don't really learn anything until a wolf is killed. A runaway No Lynch vote tells us nothing even once a wolf is killed.

Point taken, but a runaway no lynch most games keeps us up +1 on the scoreboard. I realize these are old arguments, but they perhaps deserve being re-stated.

[PurdueBrad]

Checking in and I've learned not to go for the no lynch votes. So...

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Pass

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, no-lynch runaways give the wolves a chance to hide their votes by voting no lynch just like everyone else, or to vote for a fellow wolf without worrying about them actually getting killed (hi st.cronin!). Maybe we should just link to all the other games where we've discussed this stuff on Day 1! :)

[st.cronin]

On the other hand, no-lynch runaways give the wolves a chance to hide their votes by voting no lynch just like everyone else, or to vote for a fellow wolf without worrying about them actually getting killed (hi st.cronin!). Maybe we should just link to all the other games where we've discussed this stuff on Day 1! :)

Hi.

[path12]

Wasn't around yesterday, checking in but will be busy this morning, I'll read the rules and check in again a bit later.

[Greyroofoo]

vote nfg

[jeheinz72]

All of these people willing to spray around votes, when in my estimation a lot of us know nothing has me wary. To say the very least.

[Passacaglia]

All of these people willing to spray around votes, when in my estimation a lot of us know nothing has me wary. To say the very least.

Do you think we're all wolves? Far too many of us for that. Also, it's rare that we ever *know* anything, so you vote with what you got. I've usually been a proponent of the no lynch vote, because I'm a pansy that doesn't like the idea of someone getting voted out so early that they barely got to play, but a) you don't see the wolves ever acting like that, and b) we gotta break some eggs at some point, and a lot of the stuff we learn comes from vote patterns, so we might as well start making them interesting sooner.

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, the no lynch vote *always* carries through on Day 1, to the point where if it's an option, a vote for a person on Day 1 is meaningless -- even if everyone voting for a person were to consolidate and vote for the same person, he'd probably still get saved, and we wouldn't be able to accuse anyone of trying too hard to save him, since no lynch is the safe play.

[jeheinz72]

Yes, you're all wolves.

[Passacaglia]

Hi Thomkal!

[jeheinz72]

I agree on breaking eggs. For me, it's pretty basic

I think that the risk of voting out an important role (on virtually nothing, since we're not even dealing with some sort of slip-of-the-tongue or strange post) outweighs the reward (potentially getting lucky and/or setting up voting patterns).

While i'd agree we need to break the eggs at some point, I don't know if I've really ever seen an endgame where it comes back that a Day One vote was all that damning. Day 2-3-4 maybe, or a sequence of someone's votes, sure, but I think in a vote-someone-off-day-one situation it's the village who is sticking their necks out. (do Cyclons have necks even? I need to visit a wiki)

[claphamsa]

Bah, UI knew my vote wouldnt count :P

[claphamsa]

vote heinez!

[path12]

I think the recent no lynch day 1 trend is turning into a way too easy way for wolves to hide out. While it made sense in some of the recent rulesets, I don't see where it does in this particular one at all -- why give the wolves basically a free kill? I'm voting a lynch.

[path12]

VOTE JEHEINZ72

[path12]

I hate having the separate vote post. Anyway, Heinz gets my vote because he looks like the first legal no lynch today.

[path12]

Crap, didn't see clapham's vote. I don't want to double up this soon.

[path12]

UNVOTE JEHEINZ72
VOTE SONIC YOUTH

[path12]

Welcome!

[Passacaglia]

Crap, didn't see clapham's vote. I don't want to double up this soon.

Doesn't spreading the vote out just help the no-lynchers?

[jeheinz72]

Doesn't spreading the vote out just help the no-lynchers?

Yeah, in essence it's voting just to vote, which is the precise thing I don't agree with.

[path12]

Doesn't spreading the vote out just help the no-lynchers?


I'm willing to consolidate it later after seeing who shows up and who doesn't and that sort of thing. But I have no problem with spreading out some candidate choices early.

[The Jackal]

Not sure if this has been covered, and I imagine Render has a mechanism in the game to prevent this from happening too early - but if one of the factions finds earth, does the game end immediately?

[Passacaglia]

Not sure if this has been covered, and I imagine Render has a mechanism in the game to prevent this from happening too early - but if one of the factions finds earth, does the game end immediately?

I believe so -- I sent him a PM asking about it, and his "and/or" in the rules seems to really be "or" -- if we either nab all the Cyclons, or find earth, the game ends. Since there's 12 clues needed to find Earth, I'm guessing that you're right in that it won't happen soon.

[Barkeep49]

Point taken, but a runaway no lynch most games keeps us up +1 on the scoreboard. I realize these are old arguments, but they perhaps deserve being re-stated.
ve supported no lynching in a couple of recent games where there was info to be had. I don't think we have that same assurance of information here, instead we've got some nebulous promises that might or might not realize. However, let's recognize that a runawawy no lynch doesn't keep us up +1. It keeps us down -1, instead of, perhaps -2. I like keeping villagers alive, but I like winning more. I don't think no lynch does it for us in this game.

[path12]

Couple of questions:

Do we have a starting location? There wasn't one specified in my role PM.

What are thoughts about character names? Worthwhile to hold onto for now or no? (I'm not familiar with the show and I know RendeR said that they don't determine faction, but wondering what others think).

Also trying to get an idea on whether it is better to move around a lot to try and discover items/relics or if staying at the same location multiple days gives a better chance to find whatever might be around there.

Along those same lines, I wonder if we should be publicizing where we're planning to move to at night, or if the Cylons need that information in order to kill.......

[Thomkal]

Hi Thomkal!

Hi Pass! Don't drop out this time. :)

[jeheinz72]

I don't know about if revealing names is a good idea or not. I've never watched the show, but from what I can gather, while I am a human here, my character on the show was at the least very manipulative (I'd guess bad if I had to pick good or bad)

[Passacaglia]

Hi Pass! Don't drop out this time. :)

You read my mind.

[Narcizo]

I'm willing to consolidate it later after seeing who shows up and who doesn't and that sort of thing. But I have no problem with spreading out some candidate choices early.

What's the point when there's 5 votes for no lynch? If you really want a credible alternative then voting for a newbie who is unlikely to pick up many more votes isn't going to achieve anything. I'm against a no lynch. We probably lose a night kill and have absolutely no idea what we're winning, if anything. Can't see what we gain from that. I'm even more against a runaway no lynch vote.

I don't have Path's luxury of waiting around to "consolidate" a vote. I think we should try and create a viable alternative to the no lynch vote. I'm going to vote for Claphamsa because, to be honest, I think he is likely to be a better wolf than villager. I don't like the frequent, random first day and lack of explanations either, even if that is his usual style.

[Narcizo]

Unvote Jackal
Vote Claphamsa

[jeheinz72]

Can't see what we gain from that.

IMO, what we gain is not shooting ourselves in the foot. Whether it be blatantly (ie. lynching a Seer before he gets a scan in) or less initially painful (lynching just a plain ol' Human) we're the ones with risk here.

I mean let's face facts here. We're ~4.5 hours from go time. What do you really think our chances are of hitting on a wolf as a main candidate? Much less getting our ducks in enough of a row to actually then LYNCH that person.

My money is on those odds being pretty damn low.

So then all we're really doing is offering up one of our own, with the hope that some random off-cast vote happened to be on a wolf that we nab later in the game to see who might've voted for said wolf.

That's the ultimate in high-risk/low-reward for us.

If we had *anything* to go off of, I'd vote for someone, but let's be honest with ourselves here, voting someone off at this point is as good as letting random.org do it for us.

[claphamsa]

What's the point when there's 5 votes for no lynch? If you really want a credible alternative then voting for a newbie who is unlikely to pick up many more votes isn't going to achieve anything. I'm against a no lynch. We probably lose a night kill and have absolutely no idea what we're winning, if anything. Can't see what we gain from that. I'm even more against a runaway no lynch vote.

I don't have Path's luxury of waiting around to "consolidate" a vote. I think we should try and create a viable alternative to the no lynch vote. I'm going to vote for Claphamsa because, to be honest, I think he is likely to be a better wolf than villager. I don't like the frequent, random first day and lack of explanations either, even if that is his usual style.


i get not liking my style, but i have proven to be a horrible wolf!

[Sonic Youth]

Welcome!
Gee, thanks :rolleyes:

You have my attention now ;)

Starting location was in the rules.

[Sonic Youth]

Crap, didn't see clapham's vote. I don't want to double up this soon.Technically Clapham hasn't voted for anyone yet as Heinez isn't in the game.

[Greyroofoo]

I don't know about if revealing names is a good idea or not. I've never watched the show, but from what I can gather, while I am a human here, my character on the show was at the least very manipulative (I'd guess bad if I had to pick good or bad)



Characters: Character names are directly from the show. They do NOT corelate directly with ANY abilities or ANY roles. Character names, roles, factions and anything else will be assigned in a totally random fashion.

So is there any point in revealing names?

The only way I see names coming into place is if some seer or spy gets PMs identifying a character name instead of a forum name.

[Narcizo]

As has already mentioned in the thread the arguments for and against day one lynching has been covered and argued about in detail. But if the argument holds up on day one why is it suddenly acceptable to have a lynch vote on day two. This is what I didn't understand in the Heroes game (even though it turned out well for us). We got lucky/Alan there on the day two vote. Unless there clear evidence that we're going to be getting a lot of information during the night phase (as far as I can see there isn't) we're just leaving ourselves in the position where we are making a random vote on day two instead of day one.

[jeheinz72]

As has already mentioned in the thread the arguments for and against day one lynching has been covered and argued about in detail. But if the argument holds up on day one why is it suddenly acceptable to have a lynch vote on day two. This is what I didn't understand in the Heroes game (even though it turned out well for us). We got lucky/Alan there on the day two vote. Unless there clear evidence that we're going to be getting a lot of information during the night phase (as far as I can see there isn't) we're just leaving ourselves in the position where we are making a random vote on day two instead of day one.

Well at least the Seer gets *a* scan in, ya know?

I mean yeah, we of course can't just no lynch until eternity, but by Day Two we've got double the discussion, hopefully some scan results (even if just Human scans) and maybe some Earth clues.

[RendeR]

We can dispence with the seperate vote post rule if its a big problem, but please post in bold and in some shade (barkeep) of Blue so i can pick it out easily.

[claphamsa]

Technically Clapham hasn't voted for anyone yet as Heinez isn't in the game.

if he makes me spell names righ I may as well jsut quit now :)

[The Jackal]

I don't really see the point of name revealing in this game. We could all do it and it wouldn't mean anything. Render said in the rules that roles won't match up at all, so it's not really a positive or a negative as far as I can tell. I haven't researched my character, so I have no idea whether they are good or bad on the show. But while some of the roles sort of matched up in Heinz' game, name revealing seems a waste of time here. But if there starts to be a correlation between dead people's names/roles on the show and we want to reveal near the end to possibly nail someone, that's fine.

[The Jackal]

Also we have no idea how cylon killing works. They might be able to pick anyone, they might not be able to kill people at certain locations, who knows. The optimal thing to do would probably be to coordinate where we travel at night so that we don't have everyone going to the same place. In that way we'd hopefully learn as much as possible about each location and what it has to offer, and likely have a better chance to pick up more clues. However, coordinating that would probably give a big advantage to the cylons, so it might be best to use our own discretion and keep info to ourselves until it seems prudent to start spilling it, since the cylons are also looking for earth.

[The Jackal]

Btw, having played Master of Orion 2 extensively, I keep wanting to spell cylon as psilon, and will likely do this at some point, so you're warned in advance. :cool:

[st.cronin]

Could somebody provide a rundown of the locations, and what they mean in the show? I realize it probably won't be helpful, but I'm curious.

[st.cronin]

The optimal thing to do would probably be to coordinate where we travel at night so that we don't have everyone going to the same place.

My instincts tell me this is not is a good idea.

[path12]

RULES

This game is going to be what I call a "Dark Matter" game basically this means that you players have the BARE minimum informatoin to start with and must learn as you go. So there will be very little info here beyond the bare essentials. What each player MUST know they will receive VIA PM. Questions can be posted in thread OR PM'ed to me.

Votes must be in BOLD and must be in a post by themselves.

Discuss your reasonings and jokes etc in seperate posts please.

We will be using the 24 hr clock : Deadline will be 9:00pm EST at 9:01 nothing counts.

Write ups will follow as soon as my schedule allows so don't expect them imediately. I'll do my best not to keep people waiting ;)

Characters: Character names are directly from the show. They do NOT corelate directly with ANY abilities or ANY roles. Character names, roles, factions and anything else will be assigned in a totally random fashion.

Roles: Generally speaking, any role you've seen before and possibly a few new twists will be available. Anyone and perhaps EVERYONE will have some role or ability, perhaps not. No guarentees either way.

Locations: There are various locations that a player may move to each night, only 1 move per 24 hour period is allowed. Each location has its own perks and abilities which will be disseminated on a need-to-know basis. Which means I know and IF you need to know I will tell you. Locations you may move to on each night action:

Battlestar Galactica
Battlestar Pegasus
Colonial One
Cloud 9 hydroponics ship
Caprica
Kobol
Viper 1
Viper 2
Raptor


Items: There are a number of items in the game. Some are 1 time use only items, some can be replenished by finding supplies for them, others work forever. Again, what you need to know you will be told.

Clues: Clues to finding earth. They might be items, they might be snippestof communication signals, they could be rusty relics sitting in a museum. Anything could be a clue, find all 12 and you could find Earth.

Victory Conditions:

Cylons must eliminate ALL humans. And/Or Find Earth

Humans must eliminate ALL Cylons And/or find Earth



Changes/Updates will follow.


Starting location was in the rules.

It is? I must be blind.

[st.cronin]

Was wondering the same thing, path.

[path12]

What's the point when there's 5 votes for no lynch? If you really want a credible alternative then voting for a newbie who is unlikely to pick up many more votes isn't going to achieve anything. I'm against a no lynch. We probably lose a night kill and have absolutely no idea what we're winning, if anything. Can't see what we gain from that. I'm even more against a runaway no lynch vote.

I don't get this. I agree with you that a no lynch vote isn't good. What's it matter who I put an initial vote on if I'm willing to consolidate it later? Actually, if there's somebody who hasn't checked in today I'll likely switch my vote there as is my custom.

Besides, I was never a big fan of feedback. :p

[jeheinz72]

I would've sworn I saw it in the rules too, maybe edited out?

[jeheinz72]

Well, i'm outta here folks, back in the mornin'.

[Sonic Youth]

Everyone begins the game on CAPRICA, you may change locations during your night action.

You do NOT need to SEARCH, any items to be found will be found as needed.

Any Questions, please PM me or post them here in BLUE

It is? I must be blind.
Ah sorry, it was in this post. I thought I read it in the rules.

[The Jackal]

My instincts tell me this is not is a good idea.

I agree with your instincts, just putting it out there that flying blind is going to be a better strategy than mass coordination. Gonna be a bit of luck involved.

[Barkeep49]

Can we get a vote count?

[Barkeep49]

Someone requested a breakdown of locations. I am attempting to be spoiler free as I know at least Grammaticus intends to watch the series.

Battlestar Galactica: An old ship which survived the Cylon's initial attack because it was old. The main ship in the series.

Battlestar Pegasus: A state of the art ship that survived the initial attack. Took a very different response than Galactica to the war efforts.

Colonial One: The ship which has the galactic president on it.

Cloud 9 hydroponics ship: A resort ship/food ship

Caprica: The capital of the 12 Colonies of Kobol. Now under Cylon occupation.

Kobol: The place where the original 12/13 colony ships came from.

Viper: Main fighter ship.

Raptor: Scout/Transport ship

[Lathum]

Also we have no idea how cylon killing works. They might be able to pick anyone, they might not be able to kill people at certain locations, who knows. The optimal thing to do would probably be to coordinate where we travel at night so that we don't have everyone going to the same place. In that way we'd hopefully learn as much as possible about each location and what it has to offer, and likely have a better chance to pick up more clues. However, coordinating that would probably give a big advantage to the cylons, so it might be best to use our own discretion and keep info to ourselves until it seems prudent to start spilling it, since the cylons are also looking for earth.

Checking in.

This post stinks to me, why on earth ( or where ever the hell we are!) would we ever want to clue in the bad guys to where we would be at night.

It is almost like he made this suggestion then added that part at the end to hedge his bets.

I also think we need to lynch today, the odds of anyone sharing what they learn tonight are slim so we will be in the same place tomorrow.

[path12]

I agree with your instincts, just putting it out there that flying blind is going to be a better strategy than mass coordination. Gonna be a bit of luck involved.

I don't want to say where I'm moving, but I do plan to go to a different area each night to see what I can see.

[Lathum]

VOTE THEJACKYL

[path12]

Vote count as I see it:

No Lynch -- 5 -- Jeheinz72 (133), The Jackal (137), Sonic Youth (139), Mauboy1 (143), st.cronin (147)
claphamsa -- 2 -- Passacaglia (140), Narcizo (181)
Greyroofoo -- 1 -- nfg22 (142)
Passacaglia -- 1 -- PurdueBrad (151)
nfg22 -- 1 -- Greyroofoo (155)
jeheinz72 -- 1 -- claphamsa (163)
Sonic Youth -- 1 -- path12 (168)
The Jackal -- 1 -- Lathum (207)

not voting: Barkeep

[claphamsa]

I am agasint giving out names.... I almsot got lunched last game, cuz of who i was.... So even tho it doesnt matter im keeping my name!

That being said I have never watched the show, and have no idea who i am :)

[claphamsa]

dola, I might be around at the deadline, but i might not. Tongiht is the last game im playign with the team ive been with for 3 years, so I wann go and have fun, too bad its a 1030 game :( were also playing the worst tam so I wanna run the score up :)

[Lathum]

hmm, I though the jackyl had more votes.

[claphamsa]

my origionaly vote didnt count, cuz i posted int he same message.

[RendeR]

Vote count as I see it:

No Lynch -- 5 -- Jeheinz72 (133), The Jackal (137), Sonic Youth (139), Mauboy1 (143), st.cronin (147)
claphamsa -- 2 -- Passacaglia (140), Narcizo (181)
Greyroofoo -- 1 -- nfg22 (142)
Passacaglia -- 1 -- PurdueBrad (151)
nfg22 -- 1 -- Greyroofoo (155)
jeheinz72 -- 1 -- claphamsa (163)
Sonic Youth -- 1 -- path12 (168)
The Jackal -- 1 -- Lathum (207)

not voting: Barkeep


This appears correct to me as I just got caught up on things.

[Lathum]

Unvote TheJackyl
Vote Claphamsa

[Sonic Youth]

I make it 3 hours until deadline, right?

[Lathum]

I make it 3 hours until deadline, right?

1.5 hour by my count

[claphamsa]

Unvote TheJackyl
Vote Claphamsa

jerk! :cool:

[RendeR]

Approximately 1.5 hours till deadline.

[Sonic Youth]

Unvote No Lynch

Vote Claphamsa.

[Sonic Youth]

Unvote No Lynch

Vote Claphamsa.

[claphamsa]

unvote heinze
vote no lynch

[Lathum]

hmm, pretty quiet close to the deadline

[claphamsa]

yeah... wonder what the wolves do....

[claphamsa]

do we know what happens with a tie?

BK is the only non voter right?

[claphamsa]

by my math, its 5 No lynch
and 4 for me. right?

[Barkeep49]

by my math, its 5 No lynch
and 4 for me. right?
Seems right.

[Passacaglia]

Damn...and BK likes-a the lynch...

[Lathum]

curious to see where BK goes

[Barkeep49]

Damn...and BK likes-a the lynch...
Yes I do. Worst that can happen is we end up with a tie and a no lynch.

Vote clap
And just in case render couldn't see that...
Vote clap
Vote clap
Vote clap

[Passacaglia]

Yes I do. Worst that can happen is we end up with a tie and a no lynch.

Vote clap
And just in case render couldn't see that...
Vote clap
Vote clap
Vote clap

clap, anything to say?

[claphamsa]

um, dont vote for me :(

this sucks! no WW for a whole week and now im gonna die night one :(

Anyone knwo what happens in a tie?

[claphamsa]

and i notice that everyone here voted for me!

[claphamsa]

:(

[RendeR]

I'm here, tallying up the votes.

[claphamsa]

Iahte u all FYI!

[RendeR]

Deadline

[RendeR]

Write up coming shortly, bear with me.

[Barkeep49]

um, dont vote for me :(

this sucks! no WW for a whole week and now im gonna die night one :(

Anyone knwo what happens in a tie?

and i notice that everyone here voted for me!

:(

Iahte u all FYI!

All such good material potentially deprived of the early death thread... what a waste :)

[RendeR]

5 - No Lynch JeHeinz(133), The Jackal(137), Mauboy1(143), St. Cronin(147), Claphamsa(221)
5 - Claphamsa Passacaglia(140), Narcizo(181), lathum(214), Sonic Youth(220), barkeep49(229)
1 - Greyroofoo nfg22(142)
1 - Passacaglia PyrdueBrad(151)
1 - nfg22 Greyroofoo(155)
1 - Sonic Youth Path12(168)


And so as the rag tag fleet breaks orbit around Caprica all eyes turn to two groups. One crying out that enough blood has been shed, "let us flee and live and find our way!" and the second group, bound for vengeance "KILL the traitors! Kill the CYLONS! KILL KILL KILL Claphamsa!!!!"

In the end the shock and disbelief that all of this has happened overwhelms everyone and tonight, no-one is killed. Claphamsa collapses from the panic and exhaustion wrought of seeing his life at risk of the mob. He lives, but he'll sleep for awhile it seems.

As the crowds disburse to their shuttles and ships headed for a safe haven in space you see a Colonial Viper Streak into the sky. everyone wanders to their berths hoping that tomorrow will be a brighter day.


*PM's coming*

[Barkeep49]

Crap. I forget about submitting night actions early on in 24 hr clock games. I did not submit a night action. Going to do so now. Perhaps I get lucky.

[RendeR]

PMs have gone out, Day two has Begun!! Deadline Tuesday at 9:00 PM EST

[Greyroofoo]

Methinks we should coordinate night actions

[Lathum]

Methinks we should coordinate night actions

MeThinks that is a horrible idea.

was there a night kill?

[Greyroofoo]

i may just be mad right now but my night action was nullified because someone else did the same thing. I don't know who.

[The Jackal]

Crap, I forgot to send in a night action too.

[The Jackal]

Checking in.

This post stinks to me, why on earth ( or where ever the hell we are!) would we ever want to clue in the bad guys to where we would be at night.

It is almost like he made this suggestion then added that part at the end to hedge his bets.

I also think we need to lynch today, the odds of anyone sharing what they learn tonight are slim so we will be in the same place tomorrow.

Lathum, the whole point of that post was to say that revealing what we do at night is a BAD IDEA. There wasn't much talking going on and I wanted to get that out there since people were talking about name revealing, etc. Coordinating our night actions would be great because then we'd learn more faster, but we simply can't do that. That's all I was saying.

[The Jackal]

Apologies that I won't have any information from this first night, but I'll definitely be moving around during the next night phase. I don't know why I thought I could wait to send in a night action.. foolishness.

[Passacaglia]

This makes me feel pretty good about claphamsa, since no attempt was coordinated to save him.

[path12]

This makes me feel pretty good about claphamsa, since no attempt was coordinated to save him.

I was kind of frustrated when I first got back and saw the vote, because I got called away and didn't get back in time to change my vote to lynch him, but after seeing how it went down I had the same thought.

I saw Pass and jeheinz last night (probably in my same location) but didn't find out anything else to report.

[mauchow]

So, I'm wondering this:

I watched the show for the first few seasons, and I can't remember...

Do the Cylons ever show any hints of passing out from exhaustion?