WW LXIX - Battlestar WereWolf - GAME OVER CYLONS WIN!

[st.cronin]

Hope everything works out, Render.

[Narcizo]

No problem Render. Hope everything works out.

[path12]

Hope all is well, RendeR. No hurry!

[path12]

Brad, you never did give my name like you did the others..........

[path12]

Well that would have to be me, but yeah, if I'm convertible I have no idea.

Oh, you're convertible, Ellen. Not everyone is.

[path12]

Eeny meeny miney moe.........who should I take with me when I go?

[Lathum]

hope all is good Render

[path12]

I have one.

I don't get how we're supposed to use them though. Like I by myself will never get 12 (duh).

I have one! Barkeep was [I]loaded[I], man.

Well, they might be gone now. Who knows? :cool:

[path12]

Hmmm. Problem with the italics there.

[st.cronin]

Well, so much for my theory that path might not realize he's a cylon.

[jeheinz72]

Well, so much for my theory that path might not realize he's a cylon.

Haha, post of the day!

[path12]

Well, so much for my theory that path might not realize he's a cylon.

Been a little busy so haven't posted yet. I believe that Brad faked that reveal though because I'm human, though I want the Cylons to win.......

[st.cronin]

That makes no sense. How would PurdueBrad know that?

[path12]

That makes no sense. How would PurdueBrad know that?

Beats me. But take it from me and my role -- there is a TON of weird stuff in this game.

For instance, I am a rogue human, one night kill (sorry about that Barkeep!), scan complete character name and role while trying to find cylons, and brutal. That's not even taking my item into account.

So who knows what else is out there? I know one player for sure who has abilities they don't even realize yet.

[Narcizo]

Nfg, whenever you get in, is there anything more you want to say about your look at heinz?

[Narcizo]

Well, so much for my theory that path might not realize he's a cylon.

:D

[Barkeep49]

Upsetting to hear this about Render. I hope he, Telle, and their children are alright.

[nfg22]

IM SO CONFUSED....

I dont know who to believe. Get ready for an essay here are my thoughts.

This game has alot(too much) going on. Too many roles, but that makes it interesting. Basically I saw Heinz looking suspicious. Thats the basic part, but also that whole thing with path12 looks staged and I said that right after it happened and before my seeing him act suspicious.

I have no role. What I do have is a nuke and a piece of earth. Here is my breakdown on wolves.

1. Path12 75% chance. Why would he tell us he wants the wolves to win? That just makes it definite. So there is a 75% chance he is a wolf and a 25% chance he is a human who wins when the wolves do.

2.Heinz 45%. He looked suspicious and he also had some weird interaction with path12. Couple Path12's desire to have the wolves win and Heinz looks mighty suspicious.

3.Cronin 45%. You are always suspicous, it is impossible for you to go below this percentage.

[jeheinz72]

Wait wait wait, all you got was that I was looking suspicious and that makes me a wolf to the point you are going to claim to be able to "confirm" that you "know" I'm a wolf?

I was at least expecting some sort of either A) Lie or B) confusion on your part and instead we get a general "meh"?

I'll admit I was suspicious last night (every night), that's because I'm spying on people.

[jeheinz72]

Well gents, I'm out for the evening, catch ya on the flip side.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, I echo the thoughts of others, hope everything turns out alright Render.

I'll be at another flyers game during the deadline tomorrow night again, huzza!

[path12]

1. Path12 75% chance. Why would he tell us he wants the wolves to win? That just makes it definite. So there is a 75% chance he is a wolf and a 25% chance he is a human who wins when the wolves do.

You've never heard of a sorcerer role, I guess. Villager who wins with the wolves. Fairly common. This is just a takeoff on that.

And that's why I'm not bothered by coming out with it, because I count as a villager for ratio purposes. So my dying, in addition to taking out another human will also help the Cylons out.................

[path12]

Out for now. Back tonight sometime.

[nfg22]

I have heard of the role. I was just saying, either way you are not really one of us in my opinion. Anyways, lets be honest, you were fingered by the seer, and you are just bluffing so we dont kill you.

[nfg22]

Does anyone know where path was last night?

[Sonic Youth]

IM SO CONFUSED....

I dont know who to believe. Get ready for an essay here are my thoughts.

This game has alot(too much) going on. Too many roles, but that makes it interesting. Basically I saw Heinz looking suspicious. Thats the basic part, but also that whole thing with path12 looks staged and I said that right after it happened and before my seeing him act suspicious.
Well my mixed up where everyone is post was attempting to do this, but didn't quite go how I'd like it. I had a bad migrain that wasn't letting me think clearly. It' would have been better if I'd been drunk? At least then I could be ordered to AA.

I wonder why Jehinez was spying on me for?

[Sonic Youth]

RendeR, I hope everything is well.

[Sonic Youth]

What was I trying to say last night? Were where we all last night.

Sonic - Galactica
Jeheinz - Galactica
nfg22 - Galactica
St.Cronin - Peg
The Jackal - Peg
Barkeep - Kobol
PurdueBrad
Narcizo
Mauboy
Path12

Right, that was what I was trying to do now I can think straight. Of the 4, PurdueBrad and Narcizo are veted as good(PurdueBrad more than Narcizo) while Path has a strong case against. Mauboy came out on day one and said he was human, but hasn't really offered much since. How can we then believe that? I'm still suspicious of St.Cronin, but can't really put it to one thing. He says on thing, and says another things as well. His actions around the Narcizo/Lathum thing looked a little iffy. My saying he was in the same place as Barkeep wasn't cool though.

If I was to scan anyone, it'd be St.Cronin or Mauboy.

[Narcizo]

Wait wait wait, all you got was that I was looking suspicious and that makes me a wolf to the point you are going to claim to be able to "confirm" that you "know" I'm a wolf?


I find this odd as well. It seems more misguided villagery than wolfish to me though, but maybe that's because I saw the scan. However I am disturbed by nfg's claimed lack of role and yet he was able to see heinz looking suspicious. It seems a bit weird that a no-role character can make a spy like that. I don't really get why nfg couldn't come straight out with this either, rather than claiming that he has to decide what to do with (presumably) the nuke. I don't really get the connection between the information and the fact that he has a nuke. (or the need to reveal ownership of it, for that matter).

Had I not seen the scan of nfg myself this would make me suspicious. In fact, Paranoid Android that I am it makes me suspicious anyway. I don't really think there's any need to complicate things further at this stage though.

[Narcizo]

What was I trying to say last night? Were where we all last night.

Sonic - Galactica
Jeheinz - Galactica
nfg22 - Galactica
St.Cronin - Peg
The Jackal - Peg
Barkeep - Kobol
PurdueBrad
Narcizo
Mauboy
Path12

Of the 4, PurdueBrad and Narcizo are veted as good (PurdueBrad more than Narcizo) while Path has a strong case against.

Path has pretty much admitted that he killed Barkeep. Of course, he might well be lying but I'll repeat that I'm not sure location revealing is the way forward at the moment. I also disagree with the bolded part. PB has not actually been vetted by anyone. I have a vouch by a confirmed villager.

[Sonic Youth]

It's not the only reason I'm asking this. I'm just making sure there where only three people in my location.

[jeheinz72]

I wonder why Jehinez was spying on me for?

Pretty simple, had to pick someone! I had already run the gammut on the Narcizo/nfg line of thinking. I had thought at the time that path was good.

So I kinda flipped the script and went for someone I had no info on previously.

[mauchow]

I was on Pegasus and didn't see jack squat. I did however find a piece of Earth(not on Pegasus) so I know where to go on my next turn(being at Pegasus allowed me to figure out where to go next) to find the next clue. Obviously I will not say what it is and where I am going as I will likely die. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a clue and eventually we'll all need to make a quick effort to put the pieces together to get our asses to Earth ASAP to win this game.

[path12]

Does anyone know where path was last night?

I was whereever Barkeep was.

[path12]

I have heard of the role. I was just saying, either way you are not really one of us in my opinion. Anyways, lets be honest, you were fingered by the seer, and you are just bluffing so we dont kill you.

Heh. You haven't heard word one from me saying I don't want to be lynched. Maybe I'll take you with me, though to be honest I think Purdue or Narc are my first choices there.

[nfg22]

just to let you know. I was on viper 2 last night...not galactica

[nfg22]

Also I do have a role. I am the Admiral, it just doesnt do anything as far as I know.

[jeheinz72]

Also I do have a role. I am the Admiral, it just doesnt do anything as far as I know.

From what I can gather, isn't this a pretty big character? I'd be surprised if you are and have no power of note.

[RendeR]

I am around, though I will be spotty for awhile. Thanks to everyone for the support. Things are good for now and should be ok. I'll get busy on the PMs I've recieved and we'll have a normal night tonight.

For the Weekend it will be another long day from Tonight to deadline at 9pm Sunday night. ANyone who won't be aorund over the weekend (Heiny) give me conditional orders to follow as best you can and I will implement them.

[nfg22]

From what I can gather, isn't this a pretty big character? I'd be surprised if you are and have no power of note.

Neither my PM or anything i have read says I get any powers. This is the reason I was given the nuke tho.

[RendeR]

Path12 thought he had purdeubrad dead to rights, he took out the handgun and aimed carefully. When the shot was perfect he fired *FZZZZCRACK*


PB went down, the bullet striking dead center of his chest, but he got back up!

The hole in his clothing was obvious, but underneath it lay a suit of body armor!! PB is alive!

Several people heard the shot and pointed out Path12 in the gantry. Security quickly siezes path and locks him in the Brig aboard Pegasus.

Admiral Adama has been informed of the situation and will; be interrogating the prisoner shortly.


(NFG please send me 3 questions you would ask path12 during the interrogation)

Path may not move, or Vote until further notice)

[jeheinz72]

I'm so confused.

[st.cronin]

lol

[path12]

Damn it.

[Alan T]

FZZZZCRACK

[Narcizo]

Unlucky Path! :D

[PurdueBrad]

Way to go Jackal!!!! Thanks buddy!

[The Jackal]

Wow. I got body armor from Tyrol the night I was on the Viper, and I just gave it to PB a couple of hours ago. Good timing, eh?

[The Jackal]

Way to go Jackal!!!! Thanks buddy!

Welcome, scan the hell out of some folks.

[PurdueBrad]

Now I see why my nickname is 'Bulletproof' in real life. Jackal passed me a package that allowed me to survive this attack.

[PurdueBrad]

We've still got a couple other tricks up our sleeve but this was a great start.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh yeah, and Path12, you're a bad man.

[PurdueBrad]

Or I guess Cylon, that should be!

[st.cronin]

Suggestions for nfg:

1. Has anybody been converted?
2. Who else is a cylon?
3. Do you have any clues about earth?
4. What items do the cylons have?
5. Do any of the cylons have special abilities?
6. What are the character names of the cylons?

[mauchow]

How many cylons are left?

[PurdueBrad]

Do they have to be yes/no or can they be anything?

If they are yes/no, I would recommend asking about specific people, a la "Is ___________ a cylon?"

If they can be anything, I'm particularly big on these but I'm not sure how much info we can get (can he lie?).

Who are the other cylons?
How many cylons are left?
Has there been a conversion?

I like using the first two questions to gauge his truthfulness. If we get answers that match (he gives two names and says two cylons left) we know the answers are truthful, if they don't, than we have to really evaluate his answers.

Items and the earth questions aren't bad, but I would like to focus on getting us to a positive end game point.

[PurdueBrad]

One other fear is that in the old show, one of the bad guys was a human. Do we screw ourselves by asking about cylons? Can we even ask something as vague as "how many total enemies to the humans are there?"

[The Jackal]

If path was telling the truth about his role, it's very possible that he doesn't know how many cylons there are, so you have to be careful with questions about that.

[path12]

Oh yeah, and Path12, you're a bad man.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :mad:

[Narcizo]

I can't really imagine that overt questions like "who are the other cylons" is going to work. Asking about numbers, conversions, that sort of thing might be a better tack. I'm thinking straight out questions might be possible for him to lie about.

[PurdueBrad]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :mad:

:p :p :p

[jeheinz72]

Or with a limited number of people out of the COT you could just ask about specific people to.

Is Sonic Youth (as an example) a cylon
Is jeheinz72 a cylon

That sort of thing, if we don't think we can ask for things that aren't yes/no

[jeheinz72]

IOW, what PB said! Hehe

[PurdueBrad]

One of you guys that has been in a game with an interrogation like this, how does it normally work? In other words, what ground rules usually govern the questions and, more importantly, the answers.

[jeheinz72]

Hey guys, just an FYI, I split in 2 hours and won't be in until Monday AM, so I'll miss Day 5 altogether.

I've asked RendeR to vote for me (I gave him a list of priority), if I'm allowed to do that, for Day 5. Hopefully it's not too out-of-touch for that day.

For today, my vote is of course still on path.

[PurdueBrad]

Heinz, have a good weekend!

[Narcizo]

Anyone else finding the timing of the attack interesting? I presume that Render has been reading his PMs in order. Which means that Path sent the order to shoot after Jackal sent the armour to PB. When we had all day yesterday why did Path wait till now?

[st.cronin]

One of you guys that has been in a game with an interrogation like this, how does it normally work? In other words, what ground rules usually govern the questions and, more importantly, the answers.

I don't ever remember anything like this.

[jeheinz72]

Anyone else finding the timing of the attack interesting? I presume that Render has been reading his PMs in order. Which means that Path sent the order to shoot after Jackal sent the armour to PB. When we had all day yesterday why did Path wait till now?

I thought about this too, I figured today that basically nothing would happen that was all that exciting, what with the runaway, etc.

[jeheinz72]

Heinz, have a good weekend!

Thanks PB! Just 2 more hours to go!

[Narcizo]

Good luck with the interrogation nfg. I'm off for the night.

[nfg22]

Render, are there any rules that you are willing to share?

[nfg22]

Ok can I get a list of questions we want to ask...there have been alot throw out there. Right now my three are...

1. What is your exact role?
2. Is Heinz a cyclon?
3. How many Cyclons are left?

Of course these could all change based on what Render says and what you guys say.

[jeheinz72]

I like those 3
Although 1 may be kinda pointless, given that he's about to be lynched anyhow and it's pretty clear he's bad at least on some level.

Maybe instead something about clues to Earth?

I think we're doing a good job of finding Cylons, or at least people who are on the Cylon side, I'd hate to see us blow this by them getting to Earth.

[st.cronin]

I think we need to ask if there has been a conversion, and if possible when.

[jeheinz72]

Wait wait wait, I just thought of a problem here. What if Path doesn't have to be honest with us?

I mean he could say people who aren't cylons are, or that conversions haven't happened when they have and so on.

[st.cronin]

Wait wait wait, I just thought of a problem here. What if Path doesn't have to be honest with us?

I mean he could say people who aren't cylons are, or that conversions haven't happened when they have and so on.

I agree this is possible but we simply factor it into our evaluation of whatever he says. We still should ask the questions.

[nfg22]

If he doesnt have to be truthful then what is the point of an interrogation at all?

[nfg22]

Oh...and the first question is to see whether the last two are accuarate. If he isnt a wolf then he wont know the last two..

[nfg22]

PB can I get some help here?

[RendeR]

Render, are there any rules that you are willing to share?

No. Send me a list of questions and the writeup will follow shortly thereafter.


Thanks to everyone for bearing with me today as I caught up and dealt with things. Hopefully I'll be able to handle things normally the rest of the way.

[mauchow]

Will we all know the answers ? Or will it be at nfg's discretion?

Anyways, I think the questions thought up are good and I'd be fine with any of them being asked. Here's to getting some good information.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey NFG, your ideas are probably as good as mine.

I like maybe doing something like:

Is Claphamsa a cylon?
Is __________ a cylon?
Is __________ a cylon?

OR

How many cylons were in the beginning of the game?
How many cylons are left?
and a third question

[PurdueBrad]

Obviously with mine, the Claphamsa question is to set a guage of honesty.

[path12]

Don't ask to become immortal. I made that mistake last game RendeR ran.

[PurdueBrad]

Don't ask to become immortal. I made that mistake last game RendeR ran.

Path, I had forgotten that, that was truly funny (especially know that you've tried to shoot me!).

[Sonic Youth]

just to let you know. I was on viper 2 last night...not galactica

Also I do have a role. I am the Admiral, it just doesnt do anything as far as I know.That's a lie, as I saw both you and Jehinez walk into the hanger bay as I launched the Viper last night.

Care to explain why you'd say this?

[RendeR]

Admiral Adama calls for path to be brought into the medical center aboard Pegasus. He and Col. Tigh and the ships doctor strap down Path12.

They bring out a locked box and from it extract a large needle with an eery green-yellow liguid in it.

"This drug was created many years ago, it affects the brain and acts as a truth serum. Doctor...please begin"

The doctor injects path12 with the serum.

Paths face goes slack, he drools a lot. like...massively...someone wipes his chin.

"1. What is your exact role?"

I am a cylon, I am here to eliminate you for God's greater purpose.

"2. Is Heinz a cyclon?"

No

"3. How many Cyclons are left?"

Billions


Suddenly convulsions wrack path's body his eyes bleed his eardrums explode and his fingernails crul up and fall off.

path12, brother Cavil, a CYLON is dead.

[Sonic Youth]

I've been on Galatica all this time after getting the Viper.

[Sonic Youth]

I guess we should have seen the answer to question 3 coming.

Does this count as the dealine for tonight?

[mauchow]

OUCH on the how many cylons left.

The only good we got out of those questions is the Heinz question.

Anyways, lets get the night moving..

[PurdueBrad]

I guess we should have seen the answer to question 3 coming.

Does this count as the dealine for tonight?

Good question, because I can quickly change my vote.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Path

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[Sonic Youth]

Unvote Path.

Vote St.Cronin.

[RendeR]

I guess we should have seen the answer to question 3 coming.

Does this count as the dealine for tonight?


No. Deadline is still at 9pm EST

[PurdueBrad]

An hour and ten minutes, we'll need to swing the votes from Path12 to our next person. I've laid out why I'm going St. Cronin but am willing to hear other names.

[RendeR]

I will assume for the sake of game play that all votes for path12 are hereby null and void.

[PurdueBrad]

I will assume for the sake of game play that all votes for path12 are hereby null and void.

Thanks RendeR, I know you're a smart aleck like me and I thought it would've been funny to see us lynching Path12's dead body!

[RendeR]

Thanks RendeR, I know you're a smart aleck like me and I thought it would've been funny to see us lynching Path12's dead body!

*laughs* no, even I wouldn't be quite that bad =)

[mauchow]

Now i suppose anybody who might not have seen this latest action and already submitted their night actions will now lose their night action due to the fact that they did not technically vote.

Anyhow... my vote is coming up.

[mauchow]

vote st.cronin

[PurdueBrad]

Mauboy1, you're around, don't forget to vote.

[Sonic Youth]

:D

[PurdueBrad]

Hehe, beat me to it!

[mauchow]

the only person i'd consider voting otherwise if heinz, but even so, probably not since he's been cleared. but his actions are still different than a humans would be, imo.

[PurdueBrad]

nfg was here, so I'm hoping he puts in a vote. I would be curious to see which way he goes.

[nfg22]

That's a lie, as I saw both you and Jehinez walk into the hanger bay as I launched the Viper last night.

Care to explain why you'd say this?

Yes I will. I said I was on Viper 2 because I was. Thats why. I saw Heinz acting suspicious and you launching on a patrol.

Care to say why you would call me a liar? I think I am in the COT pretty firmly after everything. Now you bring me to question? I dont understand.

[nfg22]

Vote St. Cronin

Heinz is cleared for now but I am not ready to put him in the COT

[nfg22]

Can I also point out that I called Path12's bluff of being a human who wins with the wolves:)

[PurdueBrad]

Vote count (not that there are any surprises yet):

St. Cronin- PurdueBrad (843), Sonic Youth (844), Mauboy1 (851), nfg22 (858)

Still to vote: St. Cronin, The Jackal, Heinz (probably out though), Narcizo

[nfg22]

I hope Cronin can give a defense

[nfg22]

or defence...whichever you want..

[Sonic Youth]

Yes I will. I said I was on Viper 2 because I was. Thats why. I saw Heinz acting suspicious and you launching on a patrol.

Care to say why you would call me a liar? I think I am in the COT pretty firmly after everything. Now you bring me to question? I dont understand.
I can't answer yet as I'm getting clarification :(

I knew you where the admiral though as I knew that Jehinez was also there last night with us too. That's why I was trying to find out where people where, to make sure that no one else was with us.

[nfg22]

I can't answer yet as I'm getting clarification :(

I knew you where the admiral though as I knew that Jehinez was also there last night with us too. That's why I was trying to find out where people where, to make sure that no one else was with us.

You have confused me more. How did you know I was the admiral?

[PurdueBrad]

Alright guys, I'm going to lay out my thoughts on everybody that is left in case I don't make it through the night. Take it for what it is worth as I've truly shared with you everything I've learned via scan. This is in order from MOST trusted to LEAST trusted:

1. Myself, hehe.

2. The Jackal, I cleared him early and he gave me one way to save myself today with the armor. My only fear here would be a late conversion, especially given the former terrorist part of my scan.

3. Narcizo was cleared by Path and at this point, that is still good enough for me. His voting record doesn't give off anything suspicious.

4. nfg22, as the Admiral (even though roles don't correspond) is in a solid position after the interrogation. Sonic has called him out on one thing so it might be worth following up.

5. JEHeinz72 has quickly fallen off my radar so either he is playing really strong wolf or he is human. I'm going with human but this is where my doubts really start to come in. He's voted no lynch, path12 (nice job), and St. Cronin.

6. Mauboy1, sorry but I don't have a lot one way or another here, just an odd vibe regarding a couple comments about St. Cronin. Two bad votes here: No lynch, Narcizo, and greyroofoo. Although there will be a lot more written for #7, this is REALLY close between Mauboy and Sonic for me.

7. Sonic Youth, similar to my read on Mauboy1, and the calling out of nfg could backfire which leaves him in a bad spot. Plus I'm curious about you trying to root out "who all was there" last night. Voted Claphamsa, Lathum, and greyroofoo. Sonic, the only reason I won't give you big credit for the Claphamsa vote is that it only put things in a tie and then in the very next vote Claph voted no lynch to put himself ahead. It took a late Barkeep49 vote to actually pull the tie. So knowing that Claph still had to vote, your vote here was actually much safer than it looked.

8. St. Cronin, I've laid it out and feel solid about the vote. As seer though, I don't have an other evidence (meaning a scan)


I'm assuming two wolves left at this point, which puts as at a 6-2 advantage but that can swing badly, especially if we're wrong on St. Cronin. The conversion possibility scares me but I think we stay our course and try to maintain a COT until we get evidence otherwise.

Good luck if I don't get through and win this for us!!!

[PurdueBrad]

Oh, one thing I forgot in nfg's favor is that he was cleared as human by Narcizo. That isn't to say a human may not be bad but it helps with the odds.

[PurdueBrad]

10 minutes to find out if we hit on another Cylon...let's hope.

[Sonic Youth]

You have confused me more. How did you know I was the admiral?Jehinez and Admiral Adana both surprised me by walking entering the fighter bay.

On night one, I found the Viper in Viper II. That Viper you saw that first night could have been me. I don't know when The Jackal found his Viper. I just thought that I was being taken in by the Galatica instead of going back to Viper II that night, and every night since.

I guess no one noticed or bothered to mention anything when I said I was 100% human before. Incidently, I'm Anders.

[PurdueBrad]

Sonic, I appreciate the name reveal. I think we should take that into consideration. If you got that nfg was the Admiral, did you get a name for Heinz?

[PurdueBrad]

Deadline...I think.

[PurdueBrad]

RendeR, I'm sure some people might complain but I really do enjoy your game mechanics where there have been early ends to days or drastic events during the day that can change things significantly before a vote. I think the element of unpredictability is really awesome and creative.

[Sonic Youth]

No,all I saw was Jehinez and Admiral Adana both surprised me by walking entering the fighter bay. I held on to this a little just to see how things played out. First we had Jehinez say what he said, and then nfg22 come out as the Admiral. The only thing I'm not sure on is where I am.

How much do we know about Mauboy1?

[RendeR]

Sorry I missed deadline guys, furnace issues, the fun never ends (although this eded well as I got it working right)

Write up to come

[RendeR]

As the day seems to drag on forever and after all the upheaval of the afternoon. All eyes immediately turn from obvious target #1 (Path) whom got dealt with as Cylons should be dealt with, The new target is St. Cronin.

There are no real dissenting votes and Cronin is brought before the testing lab by secuirty guards.

"You really can't think I'm a cylon.." the tall blonde Cronin purrs. "I'm as human as any of you"

The needle sinks into her skin and suddenly she snatches the orderly up by the neck killing the poor trainee where he stands...The guards waste no time, opening fire with their heavy assault rifles.

Cronin's body is riddled with bullets, blood flies everywhere....

St. Cronin, Number 6, and a CYLON is dead.

PM's coming as fast as I can do them (and sort through everyone's conditional orders)

[PurdueBrad]

HUGE day!!!!!!!!!! 2 more down!!!!!!!

[nfg22]

Who is next on the list? PB I dont see how I am in question at all...I think Sonic would even agree with that at this moment.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, I've got a solid feeling with you. Fourth isn't a bad spot to be. As I said, things get cloudy around Heinz for me. Unless there has been a conversion of somebody already cleared, I would look Mauboy, Sonic Youth, or maybe Heinz. I'll do a voting breakdown tonight again and I'm awaiting scan results.

[PurdueBrad]

I scanned Mauboy and it came back human, a Colonial Officer (this is similar to my scan results on Pass which just said Colonial Warrior). That narrows my choice to two.

[Sonic Youth]

Who is next on the list? PB I dont see how I am in question at all...I think Sonic would even agree with that at this moment.Ok, all I know is that I saw both you and Jehinez walk on to the fighter bay just before I blasted off for the night.

[RendeR]

Ok, PM's went out to anyone that needed one specifically, if you did not recieve one and you have questions let me know.

[Sonic Youth]

So the list of who everyone thinks is human and any other thoughts to go with it:

PurdueBrad - nothing needs to be said.
The Jackal - gave PurdueBrad the armour.
Narcizo - how was he cleared by Pass? Clap attacking him wasn't it?
nfg22 - how is he cleared by narcizo? I'm interested to know.
Jehinez - spy, but for who?
Mauboy - same scan as Pass.
Sonic - I know I'm human, but some of my posts aren't going to help me of latel. But that's your call.

Even though Mauboy has scanned like Pass, what do we know of him?

Are we going to focus at all on earth?

[RendeR]

Next Deadline is Sunday night at 9pm EST

Day 5 begins NOW!!

[PurdueBrad]

So the list of who everyone thinks is human and any other thoughts to go with it:

PurdueBrad - nothing needs to be said.
The Jackal - gave PurdueBrad the armour.
Narcizo - how was he cleared by Pass? Clap attacking him wasn't it?
nfg22 - how is he cleared by narcizo? I'm interested to know.
Jehinez - spy, but for who?
Mauboy - same scan as Pass.
Sonic - I know I'm human, but some of my posts aren't going to help me of latel. But that's your call.

Even though Mauboy has scanned like Pass, what do we know of him?

Are we going to focus at all on earth?

If I had to name a true COT right now, I can only really put Jackal and Mauboy in it based on their scans. That is of no offense to the rest of you because I think we've done an awesome job as a group, but we'll really have to start digging from here.

Sonic, I've said my thoughts on you.
Heinz as a spy is a concern
Narcizo was cleared by Pass, a known good guy, but little info on how (unless I'm forgetting)
NFG is the Admiral but cleared by a guy who we still haven't officially cleared.

I'm thinking two things:
1- I'm still around so the wolves must not have an every night night kill
2- My next scan may have to be on Narcizo as it could reveal two wolves or help clear two more people

Any one else with thoughts?

[Sonic Youth]

I forgot to add to Jehinez that he had that confession under truth serum that said he was human by path12.

[Sonic Youth]

The thing with Narcizo you've also got to remember, is how he went after path12. He really wanted us to vote for him instead of Greyroofoo. His saying that he can clear nfg22 with some scan but not saying how is very similar to path12 too. Hmm. This is tricky.

[nfg22]

Narcizo said he found a medical report of mine that said I was human.

[nfg22]

Sonic, you are being really weird.

First you say I lied about where I was. I didnt.
Second you say Narcizo didnt say how he cleared me. He did.

Are you just being quick to accuse or are you stirring the pot?

[nfg22]

As of the moment. I am on Sonic. I may change this.

Vote Sonic Youth

[PurdueBrad]

I was just re-reading the rules and we're in even better shape than I thought we were. The Cylons don't have to get things even, they actually have to kill all of us. Since I'm thinking that we're probably 6-1 or worst case scenario (and this feels like a stretch to me) 5-2, we're in the driver's seat.

I've also been re-thinking the night kill thing. I'm not sure it is possible that they don't really have night kills, but I'm wondering if they are location dependent. I would recommend (as I said earlier) we keep our future locations private. I've been bouncing between the Galactica and the Pegisus the last couple nights but have found nothing so I may try to branch out, look for items, and keep the cylons guessing if it is location dependent.

How important is us finding items? And is it really likely that we'll get all 12? I've got one piece, and I think I recall at least one other saying that they had found something. Do we want to concern ourself with finding earth at all?

[nfg22]

I say we abandon the idea of earth...I dont see how it would happen.

[mauchow]

I picked up a piece two nights ago. I tried finding another piece but someone got their before me. I can pretty much figure out where I need to go next. Again, I'm keeping THIS information to myself until I know for sure who's got the piece I need. If I can pick up one private message from someone who's got my piece, I'd LOVE it right about now.

Anyhow, I'm not going to go jumping onto the Sonic boat just yet. I'm trying to figure out if there has been any converters yet, see who's been acting cylon'ish(path was easy), and hopefully there is some information that comes up through the weekend. Plenty of time to see if we should share our whereabouts.

[Sonic Youth]

Sonic, you are being really weird.

First you say I lied about where I was. I didnt.
Second you say Narcizo didnt say how he cleared me. He did.

Are you just being quick to accuse or are you stirring the pot?
Stirring the pot. This is all I can find out about Pass on Narcizo:
For the record, I don't know if he's a Cylon. I just know that he tried to attack Narcizo.

This is what he said about your reveal about human and the circumstances around it:
Whether path is a wolf or not I suspect that me going so strongly after him puts my life at risk even before the deadline (if there are day kills out there - kill me to make path look bad) so I'd better get as much information out there as possible. To back up that there is information to be had for any role I have seen a recent medical report that states that nfg is a human.
This is the bit about Narcizo that I was referring to and I could be misinturpreting what he said about the bit about the scan that showed that NFG was 100% human:
Well. My claim is backed up by the fact that I'm clearly a villager (led the run against clap on day one, tried very hard to get a lynch on path yesterday, cleared by a known villager, that sort of thing) and the fact that I'm telling everyone that I saw a recent medical scan that showed that NFG was 100% human. Without quoting the PM I can't really be more detailed than that.

NFG's scan sounds a bit less equivocable unless he goes into a bit more detail. But I'm, obviously, inclined to believe him.

[Sonic Youth]

This is the bit about Narcizo that I was referring to and I could be misinturpreting what he said about the bit about the scan that showed that NFG was 100% human:
I mean about that Narcizo said this and I thought there was more to be said:
Without quoting the PM I can't really be more detailed than that.

[Sonic Youth]

Ok, I'm off to V-Festival now. I'll be on later. You'll regret voting me out as I'm human. I've been flying the Viper every night too, and would a Cylon also get a commendation. Remember Jackal was also up there and got one too and he's human.

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I'm out till tomorrow I think. Sonic, I think between you and Heinz, I may be leaning Heinz but I also don't like that he's not here to defend himself. I'm torn as of now and will reserve my vote till tomorrow.

[Greyroofoo]

Just a question to Battlestar Galactica fans, this shouldn't impact the game

<spoiler>Did anyone on disc 2 of season 1 experience any audio/visual mis-synch? It seemed to me that the audio was a full 1/4 second before the video and it annoyed me to no end. I have the HD-DVD netflix version FYI</spoiler>

[st.cronin]

:rolleyes:

This is the last time I'll ever play in a game with either more than one deadline, or the possibility for day actions.

[Narcizo]

First off - Result! We've got to be nearly there (in fact I'd rather hoped 3 cylons would give us teh win). Our hit rate on cylons has been pretty good 3 cylons/4 villagers is a great bit of work. Unfortunately weekends are largely Internet-free days for me so I'm not going to be able to be around as much as usual. I'll try to give this some deep-analysis at the some stage but at the moment I'm slightly confounded about who a last cylon could actually be. In fact I'm starting to think that we've got a conversion or a human baddy in our midst.

[Poli]

Yo.

[Sonic Youth]

Yo.
I looked at this from up. I looked at this from down. Left and right too. Even on my head. It still says Yo. Sometimes side on, sometimes upside down, and sometimes looking gibberish.

I scratch my head.

So I'll say: Yo, how's it going? Vote for me for president. I think that's what the next election will be all about in this thread. I have many worthy characteristics too.

[The Jackal]

Sweet result. Would've been sweeter if the Flyers won, but that's alright.

Why have you stayed on the viper every night, SY?

[Narcizo]

Well, it turns out I don't really have the time I'd have hoped to get into this now. I'm not sure of my access tomorrow though so I'd better get a vote out now and then, hopefully, get into analysis tomorrow.

Keeping things simple there are only two people who haven't had a vouch, from what I can see. I'm inclined to trust PB given the Path attack on him though, so that leaves me. This is Sonic's first game which might explain a lot of the weird stuff he has been coming out with, but something about him strikes me as not being right. He also lacks a vouch. My last post of today is to´...

[Narcizo]

VOTE SONIC

[Sonic Youth]

Technically, so do you Narcizo. If Pass has only had the bodyguard ability, how will he know which side your on? The only thing I can say is that your going after Path like you did followed by that little incident with Lathum is either pure genius, or exactly what it seems.

Once again people, a vote for me is a vote for a human. Lacking a scan? Easy way out. A lote of my mistakes come down to first game I think.

I'd like to know what this something about him strikes me as not being right stuff is, that Narcizo is speculating about.

There are three people we also don't know what they do too, Narcizo, The Jackal and Mauboy.
The Jackal gains a lot of trust with the armor move, Mauboy has the scan, while Narcizo hasn't given much away at all, just that he was saved by Pass and did say he saw a scan on nfg too.

Anyone who votes for me and sees me lynched will be kicking themselves later. Unless your Cylon of course.

Vote Jehinez.

[The Jackal]

That's a weird vote, Sonic. Unless we're thinking the truth serum was faked, Heinz isn't a cylon. Now he could be a human that's working with the Cylons, but to me the vote comes down to you, Narc, and Mau, so I'm surprised you have one on Heinz at this point.

[The Jackal]

Also, I don't think you've answered this yet - why have you stayed on the Viper all the time?

[Sonic Youth]

Unvote Jehinez.

I have nothing in regards to abilities or equipment. The Viper is all I had. No one bothered to ask, so how could I have answered that question?

[Narcizo]

That's a weird vote, Sonic. Unless we're thinking the truth serum was faked, Heinz isn't a cylon. Now he could be a human that's working with the Cylons, but to me the vote comes down to you, Narc, and Mau, so I'm surprised you have one on Heinz at this point.

The first statement is true. There are only two people without vouches (I believe), PB & Sonic (why I'm voting for him). PB gave up Path and was attacked by him which is a pretty solid point in his favour as far as I'm concerned. However if Sonic is a villager then he knows this so he knows that one of the vouches is incorrect or that PB is guilty. (as there is obviously at least one cylon out there). Now that means there's either been a conversion since the vouches were made, there's a cylon that scans as human or PB is a cylon. As far as I can see the only person who can't[/b] be a cylon who scans as human is heinz. I'm more willing to believe that there's a cylon that doesn't scan as such rather than that PB is a cylon at the moment soooo yes, Sonic voting for heinz is bizarre, and not a little suspicious.

However the idea that it's somehow down to me, Sonic or mau is ridiculous. For mau to be cylon he either a) has to be a cylon that scans as human or b) PB has to be a cylon. If PB is a cylon then that negates your own vouch. I think the business with the armour proves that you can't be a cylon that scans as human though, it doesn't clear you if we're to believe PB is a cylon.

As for me? Now I could have tricked Pass into thinking I was human. And then got clap to fake an attack on me? And then gone so hard after Path? Don't see it. I would have to have been converted after day three for this to make any sense. However night three was the only time there [i]has been a successful night kill so I think it's a pretty big stretch to think I was converted night three. I might have been converted night four, but then there's definitely another cylon otherwise we would have won the game.

All these are varying degrees of far-fetchedness. The most logical vote is Sonic.

[Sonic Youth]

Logic is going to fail you here. Unless your a Cylon.

I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning to cast my vote now.

Would Path have attempted to kill PB if he was a Cylon?

[The Jackal]

When did PB clear mau?

There's a possibility that path and PB coordinated the attack since it did happen very quickly after I gave PB the body armor. I suppose it's possible the seer could've been converted.

I'm curious to know what Heinz' conditional vote is, or if that's even going to be allowed.

[The Jackal]

I scanned Mauboy and it came back human, a Colonial Officer (this is similar to my scan results on Pass which just said Colonial Warrior). That narrows my choice to two.

Answered my own question, sorry Mau.

[The Jackal]

I have nothing in regards to abilities or equipment. The Viper is all I had. No one bothered to ask, so how could I have answered that question?

I asked a couple of times, but that's not the point. I don't have much as far as an ability and you saw what happened to my equipment, but I've been moving around trying to get clues to Earth, even though the #1 target is the remaining cylon(s). Why did you feel it prudent to not move around at all? Have you done anything at all on the Viper since the night we got the commendation?

[Narcizo]

[/b] madness stikes. :D

Ok Sonic, you want specifics about what seems odd?

1) You're hanging out in the viper all the time. Why aren't you searching for clues elsewhere?
2) Wanting to know if "there was anyone else on the Galatica" whenever it was, a couple of days ago.
3) The whole business about there being cylon-humanoids with uncertain victory conditions. What the hell was that all about? I wrote it off at the time but I find it pretty interesting now. In fact, [i]very interesting.
4) Just now you seem to be more interested in defending PB than yourself.

You know, that sort of thing.

I'm not going to be around much more but I must say I'm surprised/disappointed at the lack of discussion going on here. I've seen everyone bar heinz has been in the thread at some stage and yet there has been no further information or, well, anything yet. I have a horrible suspicion that there is going to be a lot of activity around the deadline (when I won't be here) and I must say that if that turns out to be the case then this thing is not anywhere as close to being over as I thought.

Jackal/nfg (or in fact anyone who is going to be around over the next hour or so). want to ask me anything more before I call it quits?

[nfg22]

Im leaving in a bit too. I have no questions. I almost feel like im back at square one without knowing who to trust. If PB is human then I have alot I can trust but if he isnt then I dont. I almsot want to kill PB to see what was true and what was false. Today, I stick with sonic. The reason being, because he obviously made a pretty strong post about me lying and being Cyclon and then retracted it the second I refuted.

[The Jackal]

Well Narc, you want to make the case for yourself on why you aren't a cylon again? Just to have all the info updated. You're the one that cleared nfg, right? Have you been able to clear anyone else or was it just a one time thing that isn't your main ability?

NFG at this point I don't really have anything to ask you. Your role should be a human role, though it'd be interesting if the cylons managed to infiltrate such a high position (which I wouldn't doubt), or if there's been a conversion.

Basically, it's hard not to have suspicion on everyone, but there are people that need to be taken care of first. I'd hestitate killing PB right now. I'd say there are at most two cylons left? So they may be able to engineer some shenanigans at the deadline, especially with people missing on a sunday night. I should be around though.

For now:

Vote Sonic Youth

[The Jackal]

Anyone have a vote count? Or I can just wait until Render checks.

[The Jackal]

The more I think about it, the more worried I am about the timing of that attack on PB. At first I thought it was a stroke of luck.. but how often can we really believe that things were left to luck? I still don't think I'll be voting for PB today because even if he did get converted, it's more important to find the original cylon.

You still need to answer about why you've stayed on the Viper every night, SY.

And mau, are you going to be around at all today? If PB is cylon then you're probably the other one. If not, then who are you looking at?

[The Jackal]

And Render when you come around, is Heinz going to have a vote today or is that null and void?

[Narcizo]

Well Narc, you want to make the case for yourself on why you aren't a cylon again? Just to have all the info updated. You're the one that cleared nfg, right? Have you been able to clear anyone else or was it just a one time thing that isn't your main ability?


Fair enough.

1) I started the run on clap on day one. Hardly conclusive I'll grant you but I could just have easily left my vote on you Jackal. Admittedly this could be a calculated ploy to buy trust so it's not really much to go on.
2) Pass vouched for me (and stuck his neck out to defend me so he must have been convinced). Later he stated that he saw clap trying to kill me and then clap self-destructed on him and Pass came up good.
3) I tried very hard to get Path lynched day three.

I missed the st.cronin lynch last night because I was in bed when it mattered. I'll admit I was more suspicious of heinz so in a way I'm happy I was in bed. :)

Yes I did get information that said nfg was 100% human and it was a one-off piece of information. For what it's worth this was on day one. I sat on it for a while because I was worried the cylons would think I was a seer and try to kill me. I'm afraid I didn't leave a cunning clue like PB did about his scans.

If people start coming up with sudden reveals of information later on today I would advise the villagers to think very carefully about accepting these reveals. Hope we get the win tonight. Bye everyone.

[PurdueBrad]

I've gone back and forth all weekend. I've held back because I don't want people following my vote because I'm not sure where to go. So again, just in case I don't make it through the night actions, here is where I'm at:

JEHeinz and Sonic are where I'm looking. I hate voting for somebody that isn't around. It's different than a day one when someone doesn't check in. Heinz has played a solid, although suspicious, game. But we have no idea what he may have learned/found in our last night action. Sonic's play has been similar to Heinz's and he's been around this weekend to talk about it.

After that, I'm on Narcizo and nfg. Both have some minor clearances and actions that have benefitted the human team.

Jackal and mauboy currently have my trust from scans. Jackal gave me the armor as well which makes me think that he has not been converted and mauboy's scan was very recent, so I don't think there's been time for a conversion.

That being said, with me on and off between now and the deadline, I'm putting in a vote:

vote Sonic Youth

Know that I still may change this, I'm looking a bit for reactions here and I may not stay with this if it stays runaway.

[PurdueBrad]

VOTE COUNT as of 920

Sonic Youth (4)- nfg (888), narcizo (903), Jackal (915), PurdueBrad (920)

Still to vote- Sonic Youth, mauboy, JEHeinz

[PurdueBrad]

I'm curious to see if there is any vote movement since Sonic Youth has a majority. That may show how many cylons there are IF SY turns out to be one.

[The Jackal]

Unvote Sonic Youth

Vote Narcizo

This isn't necessarily a statement that I don't believe Narc, but I am not at all sanguine with a run on SY at this point. There needs to be some discussion. But now we're missing Narc, NFG, and Heinz, so.. Mau?

[The Jackal]

Actually, I feel better with this vote:

Unvote Narcizo

Vote Mau

With this vote I'd either be going off the idea that Mau may always scan as not a cylon, or that PB was converted within the past two days. I feel better about that because my feelings about Narc aren't strong.

[The Jackal]

Man this website is pissing me off right now.

[Sonic Youth]

[/b] madness stikes. :DSee, I'm the only one to do it.

1) You're hanging out in the viper all the time. Why aren't you searching for clues elsewhere? I stated why. Not having any ability, I used the Viper as that. I probably stayed a night too long, but then I wouldn't have seen Jehinez and Admiral Adama walk in just before I took off for the nightI do say that I probably stayed there a day to long. And it has been on my mind. I can't change that history now can I?

2) Wanting to know if "there was anyone else on the Galatica" whenever it was, a couple of days ago.That was because I was confused where the Viper docked, leaving me unsure of the information I received due to assuing that was my location after. It was all to do with nfg and knowing his Characters name, but just making sure that no one else was there. It turned out it was nfg.

3) The whole business about there being cylon-humanoids with uncertain victory conditions. What the hell was that all about? I wrote it off at the time but I find it pretty interesting now. In fact, [I]very interesting.Why did you write it off? It's in the show. In fact some of these characters actually let a human go if I recall correctly, Kara I think it was. Why were you so quick to say I shouldn't get hung up on it then?
4) Just now you seem to be more interested in defending PB than yourself. I now find this suspicious. Like I find your sumation suspicious. Why not cast out all the information we know and add to it?

[PurdueBrad]

Where are you guys going with why Sonic Youth has been on the Viper all the time? Am I missing something? Other than possible night kills, does it matter where people are?

Also, I haven't noticed Sonic defending me. If so and I missed it, thanks. Narcizo, just know, that there is a very good chance that you'll be my next scan, unless I check for a conversion. I was going to go Heinz, but you're really starting to ping my radar.

Sonic, if I don't switch votes and I'm wrong about you, I'm sorry. I've got company coming because (embarrassed) we're going to watch Wrestlemania. So I may/may not be back before deadline. My scan will get put in shortly...

[PurdueBrad]

VOTE COUNT as of 928

Sonic Youth (4)- nfg (888), narcizo (903), PurdueBrad (920)

Mauboy (1)- Jackal (924)

Still to vote- Sonic Youth, mauboy, JEHeinz

[The Jackal]

Well, this won't accomplish much if SY is a human. I guess it's a good thing the cylons can't win with an even advantage, but who's to say they aren't close to finding earth. This sunday deadline isn't working well for us, I guess.

[RendeR]

I will be late with the write up, dealing with obnoxious children tonight. Should be up fairly soon, just not quite as immediate as most days.

The vote count looks to be 3-1 not 4-1, but if someone wants to double check that for me it will make things go faser.

Thanks and see you in a bit!!

[Sonic Youth]

You were warned.


Vote Narcizo.

[Sonic Youth]

Where are you guys going with why Sonic Youth has been on the Viper all the time? Am I missing something? Other than possible night kills, does it matter where people are?

Also, I haven't noticed Sonic defending me. If so and I missed it, thanks. Narcizo, just know, that there is a very good chance that you'll be my next scan, unless I check for a conversion. I was going to go Heinz, but you're really starting to ping my radar.

Sonic, if I don't switch votes and I'm wrong about you, I'm sorry. I've got company coming because (embarrassed) we're going to watch Wrestlemania. So I may/may not be back before deadline. My scan will get put in shortly...Your wrong.

There's nothing to be embarrassed about. There's a girl who loves the wrestling, even going to see it live. She even has one of the characters dolls(or whatever they're called). To look at her, you'd not think she is, but she is. Here knowledge is detailed too.

[RendeR]

Deadline was an hour ago, writeup coming

[RendeR]

Final Vote Count:

Sonic Youth (3)- nfg (888), narcizo (903), PurdueBrad (920)

Mauboy (2)- Jackal (924), jeheinz(proxy)

Narcizo (1) - Sonic Youth(931)


Sonic Youth is brought into the lab, he resigns himself to his fate. Offering his arm to the needle without fight. "I WARNED YOU" he curses as the drugs take effect.

Sonic Youth, Anders, the superstar triad player, and a HUMAN, is dead.

Shortly after this a news bulliten warning people to stay in their quarters unless absolutely necessary crosses the airwaves.

Another body is found this night. Its head literally ripped from its shoulders.

JeHeinz, a HUMAN and a fanatic loyal to the CYLONS is dead!


PM's going out...

[The Jackal]

Well, damn.

[RendeR]

Ok, PM's that had anything useful in them are out, if you didn't get one either you didn't send me a PM or you simply moved/stayed where you were and didn't have anything happen to you =)


Day 6 has begun

[PurdueBrad]

I'll admit to using a night-kill on Heinz as it was part of my conditional orders. I scanned Heinz and if he came up as cylon, I had the ability to attack thanks to a weapon I found. I know he's human but that answers the question about people I scan, even if they're human, they come up as bad guys.

[PurdueBrad]

And yes, it was a big risk but frankly, and this may sound arrogant, after catching Path and helping lead the charge on Cronin, I felt a bit entitled to take a chance. Had I been wrong, I will honestly say that I would've admitted my mistake as well.

[PurdueBrad]

My one big mistake here may be that Heinz at least counted towards human numbers and for that I am regretting this a bit but I still can't imagine us being outnumbered.

[mauchow]

No excuse for not voting today, I'm sorry guys. I just completely forgot.

My vote would've gone for Heinz probably but sheesh, that would've sucked if I got the boot. It didn't matter in the end considering if it was me, the same result would've happened, a human, dead.

My apologies again, players.

I work again tomorrow but I should be able to sneak a peak here and there and submit an actual vote.

[PurdueBrad]

Probably my last post for the night and I won't be back until tomorrow afternoon but I've been thinking about the JEHeinz role. I'm thinking that this may serverely cripple the cylon(s) ability to pull off a conversion. I'm assuming, although we won't know until after the game, that the Heinz role is something similar to the dark human or cultist role that he was the one person that the baddies could convert. This actually could be a big win. I'm throwing an odd vote out there intentionally. Know that this vote isn't likely to stick but I was thrown by his desire to sacrifice me earlier when I think I've proved myself again and again, including now killing a cylon loyalist.

vote nfg22

[PurdueBrad]

I almsot want to kill PB to see what was true and what was false.

NFG, I know my vote is currently on you but, as I said, I'm not sure I want to leave it there. I'm probably taking this quote overly personal, particularly since I feel like a pretty valuable villager here, but can you explain a bit more? And I know this was made prior to me taking out Heinz as well so that may effect this as well. Anyway, as I ramble, if you really think it is valuable to sacrifice me, then I guess I want to know why. Every scan I've had and every action I've done has been for the good of the humans.

[PurdueBrad]

Also, before I check out finally, here is my current COT:

Jackal still there even though it has been some time since the scan he gave me the armor as well. Mauboy1 as he came up human and now, after seeing the Heinz scan, I know it would show his loyalty if something than other than for us.

That leaves two of you: Narcizo and nfg. Narcizo cleared nfg from the medical scan but the fact that one of the two of you (at least) has to be a cylon does not look good either way. I'm currently on nfg and want to hear an explanation for the quote I posted but could see going either way here.

Anyone else? I think it is pretty cut and dry that we're down to two and it's a coin toss. The other will obviously be scanned at night if it isn't endgame and then it would be over.

[nfg22]

OK this might be alot to digest. First off. I am pretty sure PB is bad. Second, I know there are two cyclons left. I have chosen to detonate the bomb in a certain place. I was told they were both there.

[nfg22]

Just to clarify more because I need to. I was given an anonymous note that there are at least two cyclons left. It said two were on Kobol and that I couldnt do anything without being harmed but to do what I could. I am doing what I can.

[nfg22]

It may seem brash or bad to do something so quick but I want to kill before they kill. They might have a weapon or something. By the way, PB it was pretty dumb to kill heinz without telling us.

[PurdueBrad]

It may seem brash or bad to do something so quick but I want to kill before they kill. They might have a weapon or something. By the way, PB it was pretty dumb to kill heinz without telling us.

As I said, it was conditional upon his scan. I'm pretty sure that wasn't dumb given his scan.

[nfg22]

what was his scan?

[PurdueBrad]

Furthermore, I would really like to hear how you think I'm bad now? I just killed a cylon conspirator?!? If you've got a bomb, use it and take out the cylon(s).

NFG, did I read what you said right, you have to sacrifice yourself to do so?

[nfg22]

sorry...seriously. I am tired. I read wrong. I just read he was a human, I didnt see that he was a cyclon conspiritor...

[nfg22]

I have no case against you now...

[RendeR]

The ship of the fleet gathered in the Kobol system. The Cylon fleet hadn't been seen in days. Though the tension among the huddling masses of humanity is palpable.

Admiral Adama stairs out a viewport on board the Galactica, the beautiful greens and blues of Kobol in the far distance. Then, in one slight moment a bright light shines on the planet. a fiery red and white light spreading out for hundreds of miles around the ruined city that humanity abandoned so many thousands of years ago.

"There, its done" Adama picks up a comm unit, "Mr. Gaeta, prepare the fleet to jump." After he hangs up the comm again he glances back at the spreading firestorm. "God help me I hope that worked."


Kobol has been wiped out by a Nuclear Warhead. The Temple of Athena within that dead city has been destroyed as well.

When the fleet jumps there is a lot of concern as two people are found to be missing.

Mauboy1, Leobin the CYLON thug, is dead
Narcizo, Captain Lee "Apollo" Adama a CONVERTED CYLON, is also Dead.

And then there were 3.

Day 6 Continues.....

[PurdueBrad]

what was his scan?

Without directly quoting my PM (which if I understand etiquette correctly, we shouldn't post exact PMs), the scan I received said:

JEHeinz scans as human but his loyalties are with the cylons. Because of this, my conditional order went into effect.

[PurdueBrad]

AWESOME job nfg but how in the hell aren't we at endgame?

[nfg22]

how many do we have left? And can I be in the COT now?

[nfg22]

so the Jackal or PB...hmm..

[PurdueBrad]

unvote nfg

You sure as hell are in my COT. I have only one option here I guess:

vote Jackal

I'm honestly stretching to make any kind of argument, I guess the only two things I can come up with is that he is a "former terrorist" which means he could be bad and he gave me the armor just before the attack, a good cover maybe? I honestly don't know.

NFG, if you're a wolf and that was a play you made, that was amazing and ballsy but I can't see it. So I'll stick with Jackal as my vote now. Good luck to us or me or whoever is left.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm now concerned that mauboy1 scanned as human to me and yet shows as Cylon here and not even a converted one. I've sent RendeR a PM regarding my scanning abilities but I'll be curious if he will answer the question. This is my fault for having scanned him as human I guess so I understand if I'm punished for it. I'm officially out now and hopefully can catch some z's, 4:30 is coming early and soon!

[The Jackal]

Well, I don't know how to prove to you that I'm not a cylon except for all of my actions within the game.. And I wasn't converted, so..

Vote Purdue Brad

[The Jackal]

The both of you are such non-cylon roles, it's hard as hell for me to make a decision. It's going to fall to me to decide which one of you is the cylon. Hm.

The reason I voted PB is because of what nfg just did.

[The Jackal]

Well now that I read it again.. what exactly did nfg do that clears him?

[The Jackal]

Aha, my bad, I read Render's post but missed the ones leading up to it on the previous page.

I have to stick with voting PB here.

[The Jackal]

I realize I'm talking to myself here, but I'm basically deciding between two people that have each killed two cylon/cylon helpers? PB having revealed path and then killed Heinz, and then nfg having just blown those two up. Yeesh. One of you is a cylon that took out some teammates.

If NFG is the cylon, that was a really ballsy move.. but you knew that there'd only be three people left, and all you'd need is the vote to be on me or PB and then you could get a night kill and win.

If PB is the cylon, taking out path was a good way to gain trust. You are clearly some sort of seer, because we know path was bad and I can confirm what you said about me is true. Maybe he killed Heinz without knowing Heinz was on the cylon's side? It's possible.

I'm going to have to think about this one. Whichever one of you isnt the cylon, some sort of helpful analysis would be nice.

[The Jackal]

This is crazy though. Out of 14 people, 4 cylons, a convert, a human informant, and one more bad guy of some sort. Jeeeeez.

[The Jackal]

Actually for now, I'm not going to have my vote on either of you. We need to talk this out.

Unvote Purdue Brad

[The Jackal]

First of all, to PB - there isn't a COT anymore at this point. There's no legitimate proof that I'm not a cylon aside from your scan of me, and the fact that 4 cylons + informant + 2 converts would be kind of nuts, though one of you has to be a cylon, and it's hard for me to believe the seer or admiral would've started as a cylon.

As for you, you have proven yourself to be a seer, and you revealed path/killed heinz, but look.. NFG just killed two cylons, and if he is the last one and one of us gets voted off, he can kill the other at night.. so there's hardly any point of a "COT" at this point.

[Narcizo]

Wait a minute! I've been converted and I'm a cylon? Why doesn't anybody tell me about these things. :)

[PurdueBrad]

First of all, to PB - there isn't a COT anymore at this point. There's no legitimate proof that I'm not a cylon aside from your scan of me, and the fact that 4 cylons + informant + 2 converts would be kind of nuts, though one of you has to be a cylon, and it's hard for me to believe the seer or admiral would've started as a cylon.

As for you, you have proven yourself to be a seer, and you revealed path/killed heinz, but look.. NFG just killed two cylons, and if he is the last one and one of us gets voted off, he can kill the other at night.. so there's hardly any point of a "COT" at this point.

Yeah, this is a problem. If we had one more night it would be huge for me to pull off a scan but at the same time, a no lynch vote here would screw us because a cylon could pull off a night kill. That was my first thought of how to beat this situation but I don't think it works.

So basically this is the end for us, either victory or defeat. I don't have much left, you've seen all my scans, and my work speaks for itself, as does nfg's and Jackals.

Jackal, I'll be honest, loyalty tells me to unvote you when I get back today. You saved me earlier, you've believed me from the get-go and you've done nothing to show otherwise. The argument I laid out before was a stretch.

NFG's actions were just HUGE though. I'm flipping I guess.

unvote Jackal

vote nfg22

This is an awful spot and I hate to say this, but I would much rather it comes down to whoever else is with me casting the final vote than me because six days of work and now I could blow it.

[jeheinz72]

Wait, I was working for the Cylons? :)

[The Jackal]

I'm curious to see what NFG does. I'll be in and out today, hanging out with my grandmother, but if I'm not at my computer leading up to the deadline I'll make sure to be on my phone.

PB, not sure if you answered this, but what's your character's name?

[The Jackal]

If either of you have a little extra time, findin who each of us voted for on every day would be very helpful. I started to do it so here:

Day 1
Jackal: No Lynch
PB: Pass
NFG: GRF

Day 2
Jackal: Lathum
PB: Narcizo
NFG: no vote

Day 3
Jackal: no vote
PB: St. Cronin
NFG: Path

If someone wants to finish this up, great. Otherwise Ill do it later.

[The Jackal]

I lied, I'm back:

Day 4
Jackal: no vote
PB: Cronin
NFG: Cronin

Day 5
Jackal: Mau
PB: Sonic
NFG: Sonic

After looking at this.. it is.. inconclusive.

[nfg22]

Yeah, this is a problem. If we had one more night it would be huge for me to pull off a scan but at the same time, a no lynch vote here would screw us because a cylon could pull off a night kill. That was my first thought of how to beat this situation but I don't think it works.

So basically this is the end for us, either victory or defeat. I don't have much left, you've seen all my scans, and my work speaks for itself, as does nfg's and Jackals.

Jackal, I'll be honest, loyalty tells me to unvote you when I get back today. You saved me earlier, you've believed me from the get-go and you've done nothing to show otherwise. The argument I laid out before was a stretch.

NFG's actions were just HUGE though. I'm flipping I guess.

unvote Jackal

vote nfg22

This is an awful spot and I hate to say this, but I would much rather it comes down to whoever else is with me casting the final vote than me because six days of work and now I could blow it.


Ok. Why are you flipping? All of us are human, thats for sure. The question is which one of us counts as a cyclon? Which is less risky, killing a human who can talk to the Cyclons or killing two actual Cyclons?

I think PB is a human who counts for the Cyclons. You lied about Mau. You didnt expect me to be able to kill two of them in a deft shot, it happened and now you are caught in a lie. You say that your seer gift didnt work, but it did. You know he was Cyclon, but in essence, he is on your team.

Vote Purdue Brad.

I must say, good game PB. You played well until now.

[nfg22]

oops.

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

[nfg22]

BTW Render you make some dang hard games.

[mauchow]

A little bit too much randomness for me, but yeah, fun to say the least.

I was a THUG? Who'da thunk it?

Good luck to the rest.

[nfg22]

Jackal, I wont be on the rest of the night. Im curious to why you havent posted yet as I have seen you viewing. Just look at the facts.

My vouch.
1) I killed two cyclons out of five people left. This if I were a Cyclon helper or whatever I would have just narrowed my chances from 3/5 to 1/3. This is not good odds. Given that Narc and Mau both were under the gun more than the rest of us one could say they would be lynched anyways but I could have also used the nuke on you or PB and ended the game.

PB's vouch.
1) He is a seer. This may also be wrong as we have seen him either lie or get a wrong scan.
2) he killed heinz buy really that wasnt much risk as there were at least two other wolves left.

Lastly im confused on who all is left and what they are but I think PB screwed up and it is the best evidence I have.

[The Jackal]

Thanks for letting me know you won't be around, NFG, I have been checking the thread but I have family obligations so I was curious to see what PB would say to you in response first.

I still don't think we know how night killing works, exactly. I don't know if someone can just get targeted every night, we've had instances where people have to be at certain locations.

If you think all three of us are humans, and therefore one of us is just a cylon supporter of sorts, we're assuming that that individual has a way to kill the last human left. There are so many questions, and very few answers.

More to come from me.

[The Jackal]

My vouch.
1) I killed two cyclons out of five people left. This if I were a Cyclon helper or whatever I would have just narrowed my chances from 3/5 to 1/3. This is not good odds. Given that Narc and Mau both were under the gun more than the rest of us one could say they would be lynched anyways but I could have also used the nuke on you or PB and ended the game.

See, there's problems with this. You were told that there were cylons on Kobol, that's why you were able to use the nuke on them. You didnt know where PB or I were, so who says you could've used the nuke on us?

Using the nuke on those two basically bought you a free pass, or that would've been the intention if you are indeed on the side of the cylons. With three of us left, and you having just taken out two enemies, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the vote could swing to either me or PB today, thereby leaving you with 1-1 odds with whoever remains.

I'm saying all of this because my gut is leaning me towards you, based on the entire game, however, in lieu of what just happened, and because of the odd timing of the body armor/path event, I need to seriously analyze PB's actions as well before I make any kind of judgement.

The fact of the matter is, I can in no way give you a free pass for your actions last night. I imagine that Mau and Narc might've been the next two to get lynched (possibly PB instead of one of them), but if that took three days then the cylons would likely have been able to take the rest of the humans out. But then again, I don't know how the killing works, and whether or not they are guaranteed of being able to kill a human every night.

I may need to think outside the box a bit here, since it seems likely that whichever of you is on the cylon side isn't actually a cylon. Could the admiral have been infiltrated for the start of the game? Possibly. With the amount of power the cylons are rumoured to have, I could see it happening. Could a seer role be on the side of the cylons? Would seem strange, I don't have much experience with a seer being a bad guy to start out with. And the likelihood of two possible conversions with 14 people? Rough.

I want to hear what PB's character name is.

[The Jackal]

I'm out for a couple hours, PB, get some commentary in here if you would.

[PurdueBrad]

My role is Elosha, the Preistess of Kobol.


Hey Jackal, here is my name and title from a post back in the 600's. Look, in all honesty, I understand a vote either way and am completely uncertain myself of which way to go. Look, I've cast my final vote and won't change it (I have to decide to not be wishy-washy somewhere) and basically this like the end of Reservoir Dogs. I've done anything I can think to prove my trustworthiness and I can just hope that is enough. But seriously, if we're all human, I'm stuck with this conondrum: Vote for the guy I've vouced for all game or the guy that just pulled off a huge play.

I'm voting against the huge play guy because I've made five days relying on Jackal, one more day won't (or might) kill me. But seriously, he has done nothing to make me distrust him in this game so I have stay here. I hope we win.

So my vote will look like this:

vote nfg22
vote nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

PB's vouch.
1) He is a seer. This may also be wrong as we have seen him either lie or get a wrong scan.
2) he killed heinz buy really that wasnt much risk as there were at least two other wolves left.



As for these, I honestly can't explain the first one. RendeR's answer to my PM was non-conclusive. I know this, the scan that was returned to me was human on mauboy and I reported it immediately (look at the time stamps even).

As for killing Heinz, it was low risk but for a very different reason than nfg wants to say. My conditional order was to kill him if he was a cylon and (surprisingly) the fact that he was a loyalist still met the requirements of my order. The reason there was no risk is that if he was a good human, I wouldn't have attacked. But again, I came out and took responsibility immediately and despite it being a success, I still wrestled with some regret over it simply because he may have counted as human for us.

I'm amazed we're still playing in all honesty so Jackal, I leave you in the position I desperately don't want to be in, making the game-saving choice (or if you are a cylon, making the game-winning choice I guess). Good luck whichever way you go.

[RendeR]

Current Vote Count:

1 - nfg22 - Purduebrad
1 - Purduebrad - nfg22


I will accept a nightfall vote if it is unanimous.

The Jackal holds the deciding vote at this time.

[The Jackal]

Okay then, I'm back. Final decision to follow shortly.

[The Jackal]

Sorry if I'm wrong, but my gut has me going with this.

Vote NFG
Vote Nightfall

[hoopsguy]

It is fun to see a game stretched out to the max like this one. Probably not all that fun for the remaining participants, but good for people reading along like me.

[The Jackal]

It is fun to see a game stretched out to the max like this one. Probably not all that fun for the remaining participants, but good for people reading along like me.

I'm going to be curious once the game is over to see what the eliminated onlookers would've done in my shoes.

[claphamsa]

Yeah, I agree
[X]- BRRAAAAAINMS

[The Jackal]

Yeah, I agree
[X]- BRRAAAAAINMS

Was that you as a cylon saying you crave brains? Robots don't turn into zombies!

[RendeR]

The day passes slowly as the three main characters in this Human/ Cylon Drama hash things out. Obviously there is at least one Cylon left or Humanity would be free by now right?

The vote is cast. and Admiral Adama is taken into custody and brought to the lab for testing.

"I am NOT a Cylon you fools! I just obliterated TWO of them for gods' sake!!! Think about this, would I have bothered doing that if *I* were a cylon? We had the numbers, votes and night kills would have given us the win together WHY WOULD I KILL THEM??"

But alas it falls on deaf ears, the Admiral is laid to rest and his DNA tested.

"Don;t worry about the results, I know he's human" declares purdueBrad, "And now to finish off humanity for one and for all. Its time for the Children of man to take their rightful place in the galaxy"

And with that PB pulls out a gun and shoots The Jackal in the head.

The game is over, the Cylons have Won!

[jeheinz72]

Good game RendeR!

PB, why man...why?

Of course I didn't know you were a cylon, but damn...

[The Jackal]

Bleh. Sorry humans, and NFG.

[claphamsa]

WOOO, I set this all up with my exceltnt game play!

[RendeR]

First page updated with a day by day rundown of major events. Feel free to post questions regarding the game. Thank you all for playing so well!

A number of you PM'ed me about not playing well and I have to disagree, the only persons decision that I questioned at all would be Jackal's at the very end. It was actually Hoops that pm'ed me about that same decision that made me reconsider it.

Great game folks, I love watching al the behind the scenes action =)

[st.cronin]

What was the conversion mechanism? And why did so many night kills fail?

[The Jackal]

Well of course you're gonna question my action when I screwed it up. :D

[path12]

Wow! I thought we were done after the interrogation death/cronin lynch. I knew we were going to try and convert Brad but that had been so spotty I had doubts it would work......

Go Cylons!

[mauchow]

Yeah, Purdue was converted a few nights ago. I had the ability to convert someone every night until we had five cylons.

[Sonic Youth]

Dang, why didn't I vote for mauboy when I had the chance in my lynching.

[RendeR]

What was the conversion mechanism? And why did so many night kills fail?


It was very dependant on the course of game play and the situation /locations people found themselves in.

The first two nights failed due to timing issues. The next two succeeded, not much more I can add there =)

It was random only in the aspect that once the timing/placement was right I used a randomizer to get a final result. generally as long as timing/placement was good, there was only a slight chance of failure.

Night kills worked the same way really. The day kill with the gun failed purely on timing and I should have been more explicit about how the orders for that had to come in. As it stands the order to act from path12 came into my inbox a mere 20 minutes after the movement of the body armor. So the fact that the order had to come from path should have been made more clear. I'll learn from that one.